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Just Some of This Administration’s Anti-Gun Agenda, in Less Than 1 Minute

Buried at the 48:30 minute mark of this podcast (https://www.smartless.com/episodes/episode/2138f342/3-presidents) that just aired April 29, 2024, Biden says …

“Number one, we’re going to, in a second term, God willing, we’re going to make sure that we do something about gun violence in this country. The idea that we allow assault weapons to be sold with magazines with 100 rounds is just bizarre.”

… and the hosts chime in …

“The democrats never said they want to take your guns away. … You just don’t need to kill a deer with an AR-15.”

… to which Biden remarks …

“The 2nd Amendment, which I, when I taught law school — the 2nd Amendment wasn’t absolute ever. You weren’t able to have a cannon when you were — this — the [tree of] liberty is watered with the blood of patriots, I mean, that’s a bunch of crap.” *omits the word “tyrants”

It’s a handy summary of just some of this administration’s anti-gun agenda in less than a minute. Enjoy!

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2024/05/02
04:05 UTC

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Officers Shot During Charlotte Arrest & Biden Makes Firearm Export Ban Permanent

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2024/05/02
01:20 UTC

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2024/04/30
20:05 UTC

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Pro gun white pill moment with fiancée

You can take this story as one of those silly “my four year old asked me about [insert SJW cause here] and cried” on Twitter, or you can go along with the story.

My fiancée is highly apprehensive about guns. When I first revealed to her I had guns she was a little scared. “There’s too much school shootings,” “I wish there weren’t guns around” “do you really need to carry your handgun everywhere?”

She came to the US from China in 2009 and became a US citizen in 2016. Since she was a child she always dreamed of leaving China. Her parents were university professors who were persecuted by the traitorous Red Guard communists during the cultural revolution and sent to labour camps across China before they were permitted to teach again.

Now with the current bad state of the Chinese economy, there are reports of yet more political unrest in China as Xi is replacing people around him in his cabinet with nothing more than yes men and women who are all tied to defense. With growing social repression and the social credit system and restriction of freedom, she said to me - “I wish the people would rebel and stop Xi from starting a war and persecuting us.”

Me - “Chinese citizens aren’t armed, how is that going to work?”

Her - “I don’t know, how do you think it will happen?”

Me - “Welcome to America, founded by domestic terrorists and tax evaders. When the British tried to impose their will on us, we didn’t negotiate, we just shot them.”

Then I winked at her and changed the subject. I had the best nights sleep ever. Now the seed has been planted and let’s see where it goes #inception

Added: earlier in the week she told me the deer in her backyard are being pests and keeps eating her plants and veggies from her mom’s garden (parents are living with her) and asks if I can legally shoot them. Well given that she lives in a DC suburb I don’t think that’s possible to send some 3-0-hate but a bow might be doable…

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2024/04/29
11:47 UTC

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People upset about Tennessee law allowing teachers to carry

How brainwashed do you have to be? This is the most realistic and fastest way to protect the kids.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A3zBe1zWRg

66 Comments
2024/04/28
23:20 UTC

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I'm going to call every incident with 2+ fatalities a mass shooting whether or not a gun was involved.

We're all familiar with things that are absolutely not mass shootings getting called mass shootings, with breathless editorials waving lists claiming that there's more than 5 columbines a day in the US.

If that's the way they want to do it, ok. I'll play this game.

In 2020-22*, the average active shooter incident (where someone goes out with a gun to kill people as the goal, you know, an actual mass shooting) killed 1.5 people in the US. By casual observation from google news headlines, I've seen these incidents in the news in the past couple months:

March - Ottawa stabbing attack. 6 dead

March - Rockford, IL stabbing attack. 4 dead

April- AUS mall stabbing. 6 dead

April - Soc media influencer double homicide. 2 dead

April - Murder of refugees. 2 dead

I left out several incidents where there were 2 or more fatalities that were caused by accidents/negligence i.e., a drunk driver who hit a party. I also am certain that these 5 incidents over the span of a couple months are not even scratching the surface of incidents like this. I'm sure y'all have heard of at least some of these, I'm sure some of them you've never heard of.

We know it's clearly possible to kill people en masse without a gun and the FBI stats clearly show that active shooters actually don't have that high of a body count the majority of the time. That's why I'm going to call any killing of 2 or more people a mass shooting from now on. The level of control of the narrative that anti gun advocates have is insane and dangerous. All of these incidents were basically forgotten because no gun was used and if the gun control people get their way, they will continue to be ignored because a chain of stabbings, car attacks and arsons don't have the same media presence as a chain of shootings that have the exact same body count.

Guy stabs his girlfriend and the guy she was cheating on him with to death? Mass shooting.

Parent gasses family in the garage over paranoid delusions? Mass shooting.

Set a hostel on fire? Mass shooting.

Until we come to terms with the fact that guns don't spontaneously generate mass killings, we're never going to solve any of the actual problems we have.

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2024/04/28
11:18 UTC

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Top Five States with the Best Carry Laws

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and this is just from my internet research and opinions; therefore, constructive criticism is appreciated. I’d love to hear y’all’s thoughts on this.

Also note that this is only for laws pertaining to the carrying of firearms and not gun ownership laws in general otherwise y’all can visit the 2024 rankings from Every Town for Gun Control or Giffords’ Law Center for Gun Violence. The main goal here is to rank the states that have the least gun-free-zones to make it easy as possible to carry a handgun without having to disarm at certain locations. My requirements for a state to make this list is that it must:

  • Not enforce no-weapons-signs
  • Allow carry in public or commonly visited locations such as recreational areas (e.g., state or national forests/parks/WMA’s), churches, and bars/restaurants, etc.
  • possess stand-your-ground and castle-doctrine laws
  • Enact Constitutional/Permitless Carry and Campus Carry (It may not be illegal to carry a handgun on college campuses in some states but without campus carry laws, public schools are allowed to penalize students and employees for breaking school policy through termination, expulsion, suspension, or revocation of scholarships/financial aid.

The Honorable Mentions are just some permitless/constitutional carry states that did not make the list but that I thought had a unique fun fact distinguishing it from the rest.

Many loud and proud states like the “Gun Shine State” of Florida and the Lone Star State of Texas boast gun rights and gun ownership, but they do not have as lenient carry laws as many other states. Lots of Redditers also claim Wyoming, Arizona, Alaska, Indiana, or Pennsylvania should take the list but like all other excluded states, they do not check off all of the requirements.

Ranking List:

  1. Utah
  2. Idaho
  3. Kansas
  4. West Virginia
  5. Georgia

Honorable Mentions:

  • New Hampshire
  • Montana
  • Texas

1-Utah:

  • This is the only state that has true Campus Carry, a valid regular Utah Concealed Firearms Permit allows all those eligible that are 21 and up to carry in all areas of campuses of higher education/learning as well as K-12 schools. However, colleges and universities are allowed to create only one secured area on campus that prohibits weapons as a “hearing room.” Private educational institutions may designate other areas or even the entire school property as a gun-free-zone but this would only be policy and not law.

  • By law, Utah only prohibits carry in secured areas, specifically the secured areas of airports, courts, law enforcement, corrections, mental hospitals, and the single designated hearing room of a educational institution of higher learning.

  • secure areas are legally state-enforced gun-free-zones but they “may not include any area normally accessible to the public” and must have appropriate signage.

  • The one major disadvantage to Utah’s carry laws is that no-gun-signs have force of law when placed on houses of worship, such as a church or temple. Religious institutions may also prohibit weapons without posting signs by uploading their policy to the Utah BCI where it is then enforced by law. However, it’s still legal to carry in these religious spaces if there is no indication of prohibition or if permission is explicitly granted. Ignoring these notices is also only a Trespassing charge, which is classified as an infraction. Infractions are equivalent to a speeding ticket, which includes no jail time and only a fine. It’s also known that Utah churches are lenient towards this so being caught carrying there is usually not a big deal according to forums on UtahConcealedCarry and “Reddit.”

2- Idaho:

  • This state beats Utah in that the state statutes don’t mention any prohibitions for carry in religious institutions.

  • Idaho also bans carry in jails/prisons/correctional facilities and in courts like Utah does except it does not explicitly mention that only sterile areas are off-limits.

  • Idaho’s strictly limited Campus Carry law is one drawback to the state’s lenient carry laws. Firearms are prohibited on K-12 school campuses, events, and buses, while no-gun-signs have strict force of law on college/university campuses. The state prohibits concealed carry in many areas of institutions of higher learning/education, such as stadiums and dormitories/residence halls. Carry in prohibited areas of campus is risking arrest and jail time. An Enhanced Idaho Concealed Weapons License is required to legally carry on campuses of higher education.

  • Idaho also prohibits carry in several odd but specific places including children’s residential care facilities, children’s outdoor programs, and the state veteran’s home.

3- Kansas:

4- West Virginia:

  • This state does not have many places listed as off limits to carry since the state statutes only specifically prohibit carry in jails/prisons/detention centers, K-12 school functions/grounds/buses, and the state capitol.

  • However, West Virginia has shortcomings in its preemption and Campus Carry laws. Although the state has preemptive gun laws, municipalities are allowed to limit where guns can be carried. Since municipal codes in West Virginia may ban the possession of firearms in certain buildings and areas, “it is recommended that you inquire as to such laws with the appropriate city attorney’s office [W. Va. Code §8-12-5a(c)(1)];” before carrying there. As for Campus Carry, the state outlaws the possession of firearms in many areas such as dorms, arenas, daycare facilities, non-college related functions, and much more.

5- Georgia:

  • In Georgia, civilians can never have a gun in school property/functions, courts, government buildings, jails/prisons/correctional facilities, state mental health facilities, nuclear power facilities, restricted areas in airports, and in polling places during elections.

  • It is illegal to carry in houses of worship unless the house permits it. However, licensed carry without permission is only a $100 dollar fine if caught.

  • The state limits Campus Carry by disallowing carry in student housing, sporting events, childcare spaces, spaces used for college/career academy or other specialized schools, spaces containing high schoolers, and spaces where disciplinary meetings are being conducted.

  • Georgia finishes last on this list because of a couple odd gun-free-zones, restricted Church Carry, and limited Campus Carry. Some might also consider the state’s purple status as a imminent threat to gun rights. However, due to Georgia’s guns everywhere law checking off the necessary criterion for carry, it was able to make this list.

HONORABLE MENTIONS:

  • New Hampshire: Although a swing state, NH has the highest rate of registered machine guns and the fewest state enforced prohibited locations for carry. It’s only illegal to have a firearm in courts, correctional/detention facilities, Residential Child Care and Child Day Care Centers. Unfortunately New Hampshire does not make the cut because it lacks Campus Carry while forbidding the use of firearms to defend childcare facilities. It’s not illegal to carry a weapon on New Hampshire college/university campuses but school policy allows faculty to trespass carriers and to take disciplinary action against students violating the policy. New Hampshire would be included on this list if it enacted Campus Carry.

  • Montana: This state has the highest rate of gun ownership in the country. Montana would make top five best carry states if it had Campus Carry and allowed carry in state game preserves.

  • Texas: This state is surrounded by the myth that it is a Wild West pimp style cowboy state that is a haven for gun rights. This state enforces 30.05/30.06/30.07 signs with many locations that have different severity of consequences while completely outlawing carry in a wide range of locations. And unlike any other state listed in this post, Texas is a Duty-to-Inform state. However, it is true that Texas has more guns than any other state and has the most lenient deadly self defense laws in America. To this day, Texas has been lacking in a lot of gun rights but it has made great improvements in recent years; for example, the penalty for not informing was removed even though it’s still a state law.

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2024/04/26
07:22 UTC

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PA PICS Unable to Process 18-20 Year old LTC Applications

The 2nd Amendment Foundation is indicating that their has been healthy uptake of the District Court for Western PA's ruling yesterday lifting the restriction on 18-20 year olds obtaining their License to Carry Firearms.

However the joy has been tempered by a technical "hiccup" in that the PA State Police PICS which runs NICS in Pennsylvania does not have the programmatic interface to accept applications for 18-20 year olds.

The PA State Police have indicated they are working on a resolution but do not have an ETA.

As a PA resident, I am pretty sure that Governor Shapiro will try to slow walk this.

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2024/04/25
18:54 UTC

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Pennsylvania Reciprocity with Permitless states?

Hello folks,

I know there are a couple cases involving California and New York (iirc) regarding 2a violations as those states do not have reciprocity and will not grant permits to non-residents.

PA says it will grant a concealed carry permit to non -residents if the non-resident has a similar license/permit from another state. My problem is, my state does not require a license to conceal carry, and still has reciprocity with PA. If I'm not required to obtain a permit in my home state, and PA requires a home-state permit, that seems like a clear violation of the 2a, especially in a post-bruen climate.

My father is sick, and I want to come see him but don't want to delay waiting for my home state to issue a license, I also don't want to be the named plaintiff v. Commonwealth of Pennsylvania; hoping to get the institute for justice to take up my case. Lastly I don't want to leave my rights at home, as we never know when evil will attempt to force it's will on us.

What do? Tia

29 Comments
2024/04/25
08:55 UTC

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Press Release - 80 Percent Arms California Settlement

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Blackhawk Manufacturing Group, Inc. (dba 80 Percent Arms) Settles Legal Dispute With California, Upholding Customer Privacy and Second Amendment Rights

Customer Privacy Upheld
Fort Worth, Texas — Blackhawk Manufacturing Group, Inc. (BMG) has successfully resolved our prolonged legal dispute with the State of California, initiated in August 2021 in San Francisco by Chesa Boudin, the former SF District Attorney who was later ousted by San Francisco voters in a 2022 recall election. The state wrongfully alleged that 80% frames and receivers sold by our company were firearms. This case has now come to a close after intense litigation. Our refusal to disclose customer data, even in the face of substantial legal costs to keep customer data private, underscores our dedication to privacy.

Throughout this challenging period, BMG has consistently upheld its principles, dedicating over 2.5 million dollars toward legal expenses aimed at safeguarding customer information from the State of California. To further ensure our customers’ confidentiality and to end ever-climbing litigation expenses, a settlement of $500,000 was reached to end this abusive litigation.

Resuming California Sales and Advocacy
We are pleased to announce that, following this settlement, we will resume offering products to our customers in California that comply with current state and federal laws. We continue to vigorously defend Second Amendment rights, with our case, VanDerStok et. al. v. Garland, set to be heard by the Supreme Court of the United States this October.

About Blackhawk Manufacturing Group
Blackhawk Manufacturing Group, dba 80 Percent Arms, is a leader in pro-Second Amendment legal actions against overregulation and the preeminent manufacturer of 80% lowers and jigs. We’re committed to upholding the highest standards of quality and service in the industry.

Thank you for standing with us and we look forward to serving the community of builders for years to come.

For further information, please contact:

80 Percent Arms Support at support@80percentarms.com

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2024/04/25
06:03 UTC

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California Democrats are fighting to disarm citizens, meanwhile folks like this local mayor who have armed security are attacked in their own city streets. What are ordinary citizens to do?

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2024/04/25
01:51 UTC

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Fifth Circuit Rules in Open Carry Case

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2024/04/24
23:35 UTC

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