What all do I need to do to register a handgun that was given to me by my father? I assume I still need a PPP? Was having a hard time finding a clear answer online.

So, I know this forum is for guns but many of us also carry knives in additionto our pistols. So I wanted to duscuss the legality of EDC knives in Michigan.

I have been reading up on this as well and looking at specific court cases. Let's break it down. First, let's keep in mind that this law pertains to concealed carry. The first part reads, "A person shall not carry a dagger, dirk, stiletto, a double-edged nonfolding stabbing instrument of any length, or any other dangerous weapon, except a hunting knife adapted and carried as such, concealed on or about his or her person, ..." So obviously, the specific types of knives mentioned are not permitted for concealed carry, mainly any double-edged knives unless they are folding knives.

The Michigan Supreme Court characterized daggers, dirks, and stilettos as “stabbing weapons” in the case of People v Smith, 225 N.W.2d 165, decided in 1975:

Thus, here the phrase ‘or other dangerous weapon except hunting knives adapted and carried as such’ following those specified types of stabbing weapons, [dagger, dirk, or stiletto] under the rule would be limited to stabbing weapons.

Michigan law provides a low threshold as to what qualifies as a “double-edged stabbing instrument. In People v Lynn, 586 N.W. 2d 534 (1998), the Michigan Supreme Court held that a “throwing knife” was a double-edged stabbing instrument.

The tricky part comes into play when we look at the last item in that list... any other dangerous weapon.

If the prosecution is based on an allegation that the defendant possessed a “dangerous weapon,” the prosecution has the burden to prove that the instrument was used, or intended for use, as a weapon for bodily assault or defense. The Michigan Supreme Court decision in People v Brown 277 N.W.2d 155 (1979) acknowledged this increased burden.

So, it would be difficult to prove intent before an incident, and therefore, you may technically legally concealed carry a single edged fixed blade knife. However, if you use that concealed knife to attack or defend yourselves and this can be proved, then you would be in violation of this law. Technically, there are many things that not even may be knives that could fall under the "dangerous weapon" clause. Ice pick, screwdriver, etc. So don't go stabbing people with anything you may have concealed on your person.

The next part goes on to talk about vehicles and reads "or whether concealed or otherwise in any vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in his or her dwelling house, place of business or on other land possessed by the person."

So, in the first part, you can see that there are no restrictions on open carrying any of these knives. You can legally open carry any knife you want to. However, in the second part, there is the clause stating that you can't legally open carry those knives in a vehicle. Again, they would have to prove intent for it to be considered a dangerous weapon, so you are mainly not allowed to possess a non-folding, double-edged stabbing instrument in your vehicle under any circumstances.

There are four notable exceptions to the prohibition on conceal-carried knives:

1. A folding knife
2. Hunting knife while in the field hunting;
3. Knives, tools, implements, arrowheads, or artifacts that are manufactured from stone by means of conchoidal fracturing (primitive knife production by hand). MCL 750.222a
4. Within a person’s own dwelling house, within a person’s place of business, or on a person’s possessed land.

On a side note, a total prohibition – concealed or otherwise in any vehicle – apart from one’s home, place of business, or property, as imposed by 750,227, is arguably unconstitutional Read more in the Constitutionality section of this article: https://www.akti.org/state-knife-laws/michigan/

Now, all that being said, we can go back and touch on open carry. As I mentioned, it is perfectly legal to open carry any knife you want. Just be careful about which knives you take with you in a car if you will be leaving your property.

My main concern here is a possible confusion about if the item is concealed or open carry. Open carrying a knife means that the knife is not being concealed, which generally means that ordinary people, upon casually observing the person carrying the knife, would understand that a knife is being carried. So, walking around with a knife clipped to a belt with a shirt tucked in so that casual observers can see the knife is open carry and legal. However, walking around with a knife clipped to a belt with a shirt untucked and covering the knife so that casual observers can not see the knife is concealed carry and might be illegal depending on the knife. The biggest problem here is that it will be up to the jury to decide if the knife was concealed or not.

It is also important to be aware of local municipality laws. Michigan law allows municipalities to restrict the open carry of knives, and currently, Detroit and Lansing have done so. In Detroit and Lansing, it is illegal to carry any knife having a blade of over three inches in length, whether sheathed or not, and whether open carried or conceal carried, in any public place.

Here is another article I found and made references from. https://mqtpubdef.org/2021/04/12/what-knives-are-legal-to-own-possess-and-carry-in-michigan/

To me, this law is a muddy mess and makes it nearly impossible to make sure you are 100% obeying the law due to the "dangerous weapons" clause. Basically, if you carry a fixed blade knife and don't fall under one of the exceptions listed above, then it will be up to a jury of your peers to decide your fate. This will get even harder for you if you have to use the knife in self-defense. But it seems it would be a little better if you made slicing wounds instead of stabbing wounds.

The best way to legally carry a knife and not have to worry about the law would be to carry a folding knife and make sure it is under 3 inches if you are anywhere close to Detroit or Lansing where you might cross over into those city limits. Or maybe carry something like a small hatchet or tomahawk since those are chopping weapons. Idk, that might still fall under the dangerous weapon clause, depending on the jury.

I’m pretty new to guns and have tried to research this question but can’t find a clear answer. I have a question on the legality and classification of this gun in Michigan specifically relating to the folding stock. The specs are as follows:

• Barrel: 16.3 inches
• Overall Length: 32.7 inches
• Overall Length when folded: 24.4 Inches

So is this considered a pistol, SBR, or a rifle? And are there any foreseeable issues federal or state I may have with owning this?

Thanks

denied for being arrested in 2011 apparently.

she was implying maybe they needed to 'close something out'. I thought the law was 8 years so I'm pretty confused and annoyed.

she gave me a copy of the case number in question so i can go on some fucking quest i guess.

EDIT: seems like maybe wyandotte (arresting city) never registered me as charged or sentenced (only arrested). so i guess michigan sees the case as still active? if i can get proof that the case is closed then maybe i can forward that to the state. wyandotte court is closed today so i guess i'll try tomorrow.

Question: I have taken the CPL class twice and still have both of the certificates and I was wondering how long after receiving the permit passed paperwork do we have to complete the form? In other words, do they expire cause neither form has an Expiration Date? Do I have to take the class thrice and go before so many months or a year or two? I'm having trouble getting that answered. So I have two pieces of paperwork, one from five years and another certificate from three years ago I believe is when I took each class. Thanks so much!

Do I need one for every pistol I buy? I am looking to buy 2 pistols within a week or so.

BTW I have taken the course and applied for my CPL but the appointment is over a month out at the wayne county clerk.

Simple, I have a pad of RI-060 forms I keep in my glove box for surprise gun purchases. Still have my CPL, not asking how to do it, just is there a significant change to the forms that I should get new ones? Mine are from a couple versions ago, but they never had a problem with me using them.

They are nice in that they are in triplicate and make two copies in pink/yellow so you only have to fill out one copy. And in a pad like post it notes so they don’t go all over the place in my car.

I'm 19, cant get a concealed carry license (because of my age), own a handgun (legally), my fiancé and i live in a house we bought very recently and have some pretty serious death threats from anonyms people to the point where we both open carry wherever we can. we abide by all the transport and other laws but have a hard time figuring out whether or not we can carry in certain buildings without calling and asking if they have a liquor license.

my question is if there is an easier way to figure that out or if there are any exceptions

yes the police are aware but cant really do anything bc of how they were delivered there's no way to find out who sent them

we are getting ready to move out of state which might take a few months because i will need to find another job that can support both of us and a house

no i didn't do anything illegal/immoral to receive these threats

Confused on a potential AR pistol build. All my prior searches have shown that barrel <16 and OAL >26 puts it in the category of “firearm” since it is not a rifle with a brace, and not a pistol under 26in.

However looking at the 2024 document PDF from the state of MI, there is no mention of this. They do mention a pistol >26 OAL, which says that you can possess one if you registered it prior to a date in 2013, and a few other qualifications.

Was something changed? Does anyone have any other links for official documents where I can find this info? I’ve seen this repeated a lot across multiple sites, but can’t find anything official on it.

Whenever I don't order online I've been just going to Dunham's cause its close and easy but even their m193 Winchester white box is like .65-.75+ per round. Anyone know where I can get some good cheaper 55 grain brass in Oakland county?

Edit: im trying to shoot tomorrow so cant wait for shipping i normally use ammoseek

Trying to get clarification on purchasing an AR lower assembly. If I buy a complete rifle lower, it’s classified and registered as a rifle, same would obviously go for a complete pistol lower, it would be registered as a pistol. How does it work when purchasing a stripped lower, are you required to designate its purpose when you fill out the ATF form, is it classified as other? It’s obviously still technically a firearm. Then you build it in which ever legal configuration you choose? What are the guideline here? Thanks in advance

(M19) just for my first gun purchase used the address on my driver's license which is not my current address, though still in same state but my background check came back as delayed. I'm really new to this and freaking out from what I'm reading online. I didn't know this was a big deal....some are saying it's not. I'm worried and confused, please let me know asap

when I initially bought the gun the guy said that I would be able to pick it up on the 30th of October(I bought the gun on the 24th of October ) and I got a call on the 30th saying that my background check has been delayed until November 9th. Im still confused is the 24th-30th a regular waiting period and the 30th-9th because I’m not 21 or is the 24th-30th the background check delay and the 30th-9th is because of the incorrect address? Please let me know how I can fix this mess? Will I be able to even get my gun?

Hey everyone! I am trying to sell my Charter Arms Southpaw. I’ve tried Dunlap and some local pawn places, which both offers were a little too low for me. It’s kind of niche as it’s a left handed revolver so i’m worried about finding a buyer. I keep seeing GunBrokers and ArmsLists websites recommended. Though, this is my first time selling a gun and selling anything online is kind of confusing, as i’ve never done it before. I don’t want to break any laws and the fees/sales tax/shipping doesn’t make a ton of sense to me.

Any advice on where to sell in MI and get a fair price? If not, I may just bite the bullet at the pawn shop to save the headache. Thanks guys!

Not sure if you all have seen the news about Jamo, but it’s brought up an argument with some people that I know.

If a registered CPL holder is operating a vehicle where he has his firearm that’s registered to the driver as well as the passenger has a firearm registered to the passenger, but said passenger not have a CPL.

In my interpretation this is a legal to do but not sure how to interpret this law just like all the ambiguous gun laws.

My MIL wants to store her hand gun in a lock box at our house. We aren't purchasing it, nor will we carry it. Do we need some sort of permit/license to have it in our house? All I can find is info on a CPL or a purchase license which I don't think either pertain to this situation.

Anyone in SE Michigan able to help me or know of a shop that can install an apex trigger on my fn 509?

If you HAVE a CPL and forget it at home while carrying concealed what is the offense committed and likelihood of persecution, as well as sentencing for that? I'm having a hard time finding the info online. Assume someone has scannable photos of the ID and CPL card.

I know that Michigan recognizes out of state residents concealed carry permits.

I have a NYC Permit that is valid for all the counties in newyork state including nyc.

The permits issued in other counties in New York State other than NYC is not valid in NYC.

DO YOU HAVE THE SAME CRAP AS WE DO?

Or am I good to go in counties and cities anywhere within Michigan with my NYC resident permit.

Looking for recommendations on a 28.432(1)(f) friendly FFL in the SE region.

That’s the US citizen holding a license to carry a pistol concealed by another state exemption.

I don’t blame the FFLs that don’t understand the law, it’s their livelihood and probably less of a headache for them.

But I’d rather support a business that understands and follows the law.

Looking to pickup a crossbody bag for my Flux Legion Raider, and don't know where to start locally. Any suggestions for gun stores/ shops with the biggest tactical bag selection?

Do I have to get a license to purchase a gun now?

Sold a handgun in 2021 to someone who shared their “CPL” info with me. I just looked it over as I’m selling another gun and it seems the CPL number was not valid (mine is numbers followed by a letter) theirs is set up like a license (license followed by a dozen numbers). I tried looking up the person online and a person with the name shows up but 3 decades older. Then the phone number is a Google phone number.

Now I haven’t heard or seen anything relating to this but should I report it to the cops? Or am I overthinking this?

Where is a good place to look for holsters that are molded for specific guns? Looking for a waist holsters and a shoulder holster for a glock 21. Gen 5.

Thanks for the help if you guys help

Just got my CPL from Wayne county. My understanding is if I buy from an FFL I have to submit a form that says I don't use illicit drugs. Marijuana is still federally illegal (lmao) and makes that form a 10 yr felony according to my instructor. Same guy also said with a CPL I'm not gonna have to do that form for a private sale. I'm looking for a glock 21 gen 4 or 5, used or new. Where do I need to look to find someone I could buy from privately? Also could use assurance that the above information is correct.

I’m considering selling one of my handguns soon (yes I know, no buy only sell) and I haven’t sold one since they changed the gun purchasing rules in February. What is the new process for selling a handgun in a private sale in the mitten? Bonus points for good places to list it… last time I sold was to a friend so didn’t need to find a buyer.