I’m going to be taking a few trips this year, one where I’ll be camping in Pigeon State Forest in the UP.

We’ve been here before, but I didn’t have a gun before. Now I do, and I definitely want to take it if possible, since I usually feel pretty vulnerable camping as is, this will make me feel better. Pretty sure theres bears up there too and this particular state forest has had a couple bear sightings, and is generally really far into the woods. Very “segregated” from other people as well. Anyways, besides the point.

Couple things:

1. I don’t have my CPL

2. I plan to take it in my trunk. Either bringing my Glock 43, my 12ga, or both I guess. I’m not sure what would be better. Might sound a little much but I’ll probably keep one in my tent while sleeping. I usually keep my 43 on my nightstand so feels right.

3. I don’t plan to use it as I don’t think theres anywhere I technically can legally, just want it for self protection because I don’t trust other people, and I guess in case of a bear, but that’s prolly not going to happen lol.

Anything I should know?

Side note: if anyone has been up here and knows anywhere I CAN shoot legally, that’d be pretty cool, but I’m not set on doing that. Just want to be safe.

Is it an automatic search of the car because the driver is a cpl holder? I hear yes and no and I also hear that you should say something as soon as you get pulled over such as I have my Cpl I’m carrying or I have my Cpl and I am not carrying.

She lives in not so good neighborhood and today , somebody was killed in her house next door. She plan to apply for cpl soon. I heard that until then she can't borrow my hand guns. So I was wondering if I could atleast lend my shotgun

Debating if it's worth the time/effort/cost of joining a dedicated local gun club, so wanted to see if anyone in this group has any thoughts on the subject. I'm in Oakland County, so the two obvious choices seem to be Multi-Lakes in Commerce or OCSC in Clarkston, but certainly open to suggestions. Haven't been to either, but planned on concentrating my range time at one or the other this summer if it's something I'm going to pursue.

Thanks in advance for any insight!

Anyone been to the new DNR shooting range in the Barry State Game Area? What are the target distances for the rifle lanes? The Michigan.gov website doesn’t list the target distances for this location, and no one is answering the phone.

Hi folks. I’m looking to maybe stay at a campground (RV) for several weeks this summer in Michigan. I’m licensed to own a pistol in my home state. I’ve reviewed the law and regulations in Michigan and I’m still having a hard time making heads or tails. Any insight? May I keep my home-State registered pistol in the RV while camping in Michigan?

On May 2 two new gun control bills were introduced in the Senate by Democrats:

• SB 0857 of 2024

• SB 0858 of 2024

857 would add the State Capitol, the House Office Building, and the Senate Office Building to the list of places where CPL holders cannot carry concealed (but exempt sitting members of congress, of course).

858 is much worse. It would remove the CPL exception from MCL 750.234d, which is the list of places where people without a CPL cannot possess a firearm (let alone carry).

If SB 0858 became law, a CPL holder would no longer be able to:

• Carry ANY place in the state that sells alcohol, not just bars. So grocery stores, many gas stations, restaurants, etc.
• Carry at the bank (you know, when you're most likely to have large sums of cash on you)
• Carry in ANY theater, regardless of seating capacity (currently if it's under 2500, you're good)

Of course, 0858 also adds the Capitol and congressional office buildings to the list, and OF COURSE it exempts the congresscritters themselves.

Contact your senators about this. This aggression will not stand, man. The following senators sponsored these bills:

• Dayna Polehanki (District 5 - Westland, Canton, Inkster area)
• Rosemary Bayer (District 13 - West Bloomfield, Walled Lake, Novi, Northville, Plymouth area)
• Erika Geiss (District 1 - Taylor, Lincoln Park, Ecorse, River Rouge area)
• Veronica Klinefelt (District 11 - Clinton, Roseville, Eastpointe area)
• Mallory McMorrow (District 8 - Birmingham, Berkley, Royal Oak, Oak Park, Ferndale area)
• Sue Shink (District 14 - Jackson, Chelsea, and north Ann Arbor area)
• Stephanie Chang (District 3 - Madison Heights, Hazel Park, Highland Park, Hamtramck area)
• Sean McCann (District 19 - Kalamazoo area)
• Paul Wojno (District 10 - Sterling Heights, Warren area)

I just took my CPL class and my dad told me I wouldn't be able to get a CPL because I'm on antidepressants. I'm considered not a risk to myself and I've never been involuntarily hospitalized.

Is it worth going to the county to get the CPL license or am I wasting my money?

Thanks!

Okay so I was looking to see with our new LTP laws what is required of me when intending to purchase a pistol (non-cpl) and found this… I am very confused.

From what I was told at my last visit to my lgs, all pistol purchases by non-cpl holders require a LTP, is this not true or is this screenshot misleading?

Got denied for a purchase permit. Went to the website and asked why. I got an automated response that essentially just said “the FBI can’t tell you why you got denied” I then tried challenging it and got the same response. A couple years ago I got a rifle without any problems and I’ve done nothing since that would have caused me to be denied. I asked the guy at the gun shop I went to if being denied a purchase permit for a handgun means I’d be denied for purchasing a new rifle or a shotgun and he said yes. So is there any way I can do my own background check to figure out what the problem is?

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From the flyer/sign-up sheet for the Women On Target clinic at the Howell Gun Club is available at:
https://files.constantcontact.com/8660190d001/ab1ab673-69d9-4be2-948c-64635d7f71e6.pdf

21st Annual NRA Woman on Target Instructional Shooting Clinic June 08, 2024 Sponsored by the NRA & Hosted by Howell Gun Club and a grant from the NRA Foundation.

This event is for Women Shooters only, age 16 and over. The clinics primary goal is to promote the Shooting sports and firearms safety, and to generate NEW interest in the shooting sports for women that have never experienced shooting firearms or Women that are new to the shooting sports and want to find out more about the different shooting disciplines. This Clinic is FREE. You may donate to our youth programs if you choose. Participants will have the opportunity to shoot .22 caliber Rifles .22 Handguns in our indoor range, you can also try your hand at breaking some clay on the Trap field. There will also be AR style rifles and archery, as well as some higher caliber handguns on our outdoor ranges.

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See the flyer at the URL above for more details. Registration opens May 1st for those who have not participated in prior WOT events at HGC. Those that participated before may send in their application May 8th. The event fills quickly and could fill up before the end of the day on May 1st. I would recommend sending in the application vie email early in the morning on May 1st. Submissions submitted before May 1st will not be accepted--they will be returned. This is a great event for women who have little or no firearms experience. In the past some woman who attended may have never shot any firearm, may have only shot a handful of times, or may have not fired a weapon in over 20 years.

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Hey yall,

Looking to create a company/website/social media page, that gives honest reviews of all the gunshops I've been/worked at/worked with, to give gun owners a resource to refer to when shopping around. During covid I visited as many shops as I could and was working as a salesmen not too long afterwards.

Im wondering if this is something people would be interested in? Or if you guys don't think this is something worthwhile! P.S. I'll probably do it either way but I'm also here for ideas and any feedback I could implement into it.

And... go!

How does trade in work now with the new laws? Do I have to take the registration papers to the police station after trading in ?

I know I'm quite a bit trash with it, but it's the first time I picked up this pistol. And since I started shooting just a few months ago, I learned early how to shoot on a hollosite optic. And I was just using the iron sights on this one. Shooting at 10yrds.

https://youtube.com/shorts/S8is4JtnYFs?si=ofIiyRmazGyO8wWd

I just want to be prepared when I get to the FFL, I'm 20 years old.

If somebody doesn't already lock up their guns do you think the safe storage law or a bumper sticker mentioning it is the law is going to convince somebody to change and go out and buy a safe?

https://secure.everyaction.com/q8u7lKJabUODWrxA8jSm6Q2?emci=74775142-8101-ef11-aaf0-7c1e5214dad0&emdi=14a239a8-3c02-ef11-96f3-7c1e521b07f9&ceid=268853

I was told it could take 5-10 business days due to the amount of people applying for one. It’s now been 15 business days and i haven’t received anything in the mail. Is there a way to check the process or should I go back to the sheriff’s office i visited to ask for an update?

Reference the new law from February regarding Licenses to Purchase:

MCL 28.422(3) states, in part: departments “shall with due speed and diligence issue licenses to purchase, carry, possess, or transport firearms to qualified applicants"

Furthermore, MCL 28.422(3)(c) states, in part, when referring to qualified applicants: “The individual is a citizen of the United States or an alien lawfully admitted into the United States and is a legal resident of this state…”

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Other case law states: "A court must not judicially legislate by adding into a statute provisions that the Legislature did not include." Empire Iron Mining Partnership v. Orhanen, 455 Mich. 410, 421, 565 N.W.2d 844 (1997) In re Wayne Cnty. Prosecutor, 232 Mich. App. 482, 486, 591 N.W.2d 359, 362 (1998).

Say a police department is turning folks away for getting a License to Purchase because they are not a resident of that city. That department is using the above case law and is essentially arguing along the lines of: 'What this means is that we cannot read more into a statute than what it states. To make it a requirement that one can apply for a LTP anywhere and have it be honored by that specific city, village, etc., would be reading more in to the statute than it includes.'

Now, looking at the statue, that case law, and this theoretical interpretation of case law where they are deciding to turn non-residents away, I would like to get some input on these questions:

1. Are there any cases currently challenging a department refusing to issue LTPs to non-city residents (but are otherwise legal residents and otherwise qualified applications per the letter of the law)?

2. Do you, with any legal background or authority, have anything that counters this argument?

3. Have you experienced being turned away despite otherwise being a legal resident/qualified applicant solely based on not being a resident of the city of the PD that you went to? Have you reached out to a gun rights organization?

4. Any other input on this matter? Anyone I can contact that won't charge me money to talk this through?

All these gun laws are so unbelievably confusing and they keep changing which is making things worse.

I was eyeing this gun, which calls itself a pistol but it looks like the overall length is technically over 26 inches so I'm not sure if it's technically a rifle? Would I have to fill out an ATF form for this?

And regarding Michigan laws: would I have to get a license to purchase this and would I need to register it?

Appreciate any help you can provide.

As the title suggests, I'm looking at purchasing an AR-15 pistol in the state of Michigan. One of my goals is to periodically transport it in my vehicle loaded (I have an active concealed pistol license in the state of Michigan), so I want to make sure that everything is on the up-and-up in the event of a traffic stop.

As best as I can tell, Michigan law (and I believe the ATF as well) requires that a pistol have a barrel length of <16 inches, and an OAL of <26 inches. I'm also seeing some things that suggest a maximum length of pull of 13.5 inches.

With this all in mind, how is overall length measured? I've seen a lot of conflicting opinions on this. The consensus seems to be that a muzzle device does not count (unless welded/riveted). The issue lies in whether or not the brace is included in length. Some people say the measurement is barrel thread to end of the buffer tube, some say barrel thread to end of the brace (collapsed) and some say barrel thread to end of the brace (extended). I would love to get some concrete clarification on this (though I know that's asking a lot of the ATF). If possible, it would also be great if people could cite the document(s) that they are getting their information from (since all other posts on this topic that I've seen don't have any sources associated with the answers).

Specifically, I'm looking at a PSA pistol. Another concern of mine is determining the LOP/OAL of their different models, as PSA doesn't seem to publish these numbers (though it seems like they should). Is it safe to assume that since PSA is advertising them as an 'AR-15 pistol' that they are within the law? Is there some way that I can find these numbers? Perhaps I just need to contact PSA? The Q&A sections of some of the products have people asking for OAL, but the measurement seems to be taken from end of the muzzle device to the end of the (collapsed) brace, which I believe to be the incorrect method of measurement.

For those interested, these exact models that I'm looking at are below (I would like to purchase the largest barrel length that I can while still being within the law).

7.5" option: https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-7-5-pistol-length-5-56-nato-1-7-nitride-7-lightweight-hex-m-lok-moe-ept-sba3-pistol.html
8.5" option: (Not sold assembled, so would buy the upper/lower and assemble myself)
Upper: https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-8-5-pistol-length-5-56-nato-1-7-nitride-7-lightweight-m-lok-upper-with-bcg-ch-516447525.html
Lower: https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar15-complete-moe-ept-sba3-lower-5165448150.html
10.5" option: https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-10-5-carbine-length-5-56-nato-1-7-nitride-lightweight-m-lok-moe-ept-sba3-pistol-5165448567.html

Thank you everyone in advance!

I'm new to Michigan and trying to get into Armed security and get my CPL, my problem is I live with a felon, and wanted to know what I could do in order to own a firearm for work.

I find it curious that news will often point out and elaborate on the "safe storage violation" but generally doesn't dig into the "possession of firearm by a prohibited person". I wonder why he was a prohibited person to begin with and where and how the gun was accessible?

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/macomb-county/2024/04/22/warren-man-arraigned-on-unsecured-firearm-charge-after-son-shoots-himself/73416889007/

I’m looking to sell my pistol to a friend and am not sure on the steps to take to go about doing it. What are the steps required to sell a pistol in Michigan? I am a CPL owner and both of us are the age of 21-22 and never been arrested or have criminal records.

I recently was told that the Greenville DNR range was talking about getting shut down due to trash and such, and am debating finding a closer range to me or one with better options. I would prefer anything with targets 200+ yards away. Anyone know of any good places?

Just finished my CPL class, went to fill out the application kit and book an appointment.... Every slot is "Booked" and they don't have any appointments past 30 days? So, what am I missing here? Do you stay up until midnight when the system lets you book the next day?

Any tips are appreciated, thanks!

Hey everyone, I’m looking for FFLs that do transfers in the area, as well as their prices. Thanks in advance.

I'm asking because before 18 all you had to do was go through a private seller but now you and the seller have to go through an ffl anyway so does this affect that or no?

Moving from out west to MI for work. With the wide open spaces out west there is plenty of of BLM land (the bureau of land management kind) and it’s super straight forward (law wise) where you can go out into the middle of nowhere and shoot.

Is there anything equivalent in MI? Bonus points if there is a specific law you can point me to regarding this.

Howdy, looking for FFL recommendations for tranfers near the clawson area.