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Media and players talking about too many 3 pointers is propaganda. The NBA has other issues.

I have been watching talking heads like A. Smith and Perkins and youtubers and players all blame the sagging viewership on too many 3 pointers. It's just too many people saying the same thing over and over.

Was there a memo sent out to say this?

I think too many 3s is an issue. I remember watching a Bulls home game where they were down 11 or 12 with 5 minutes left. They cut it to 6 and the crowd got back into it and was roaring. They got a steal and instead of driving to the basket, they kicked out to Lavine who proceeded to brick it. The other team then made a 3. Took the air right out of the arena.

I just don't think 3 pointers is the only issue.

For one. There isn't enough star power.

I always reference pro wrestling. In the NBA, who's "the guy"? Who's the top draw. It's still Steph and Lebron.

Giannis, Luka, Joker, and Tatum are great players, but none of them are "the guy". In terms of drawing ability, Lebron is John Cena and Joker is Bret Hart. Luka and Tatum didn't have the juice even in the finals with Kyrie.

Secondly, there aren't enough rivalries. There isn't a lot of heat in the games anymore. The Knicks and the Pacers last playoffs had heat but no one thought either team would beat the Celtics.

Thirdly there are too many games. Neither fans or players care about games in December or January.

Outside the court, streaming is an issue and people in general have more things to watch than basketball.

I will also mention the political angles. People don't want to be lectured or have opinions imposed on them by preachy athletes and coaches especially when those same people don't live up to their own moral grandstanding.

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2024/12/20
23:00 UTC

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GAME THREAD: Charlotte Hornets (7-20) @ Philadelphia 76ers (8-16) - (December 21, 2024)

##General Information TIME |MEDIA |Team Subreddits | :------------|:------------------------------------|:-------------------| 07:00 PM Eastern |Game Preview: NBA.com | /r/charlottehornets | 06:00 PM Central |Game Charts: NBA.com | /r/sixers | 05:00 PM Mountain|Play By Play: NBA.com| | 04:00 PM Pacific |Box Score: NBA.com | | Reddit Stream (You must click this link from the comment page.)

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2024/12/20
23:00 UTC

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[dylandoesbasketball] How to Kill an NBA Career: The Insane Zion Williamson Story

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2024/12/20
22:54 UTC

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Draymond Green set two NBA records against the Grizzlies with worst +/- for a player with 0 points, 0 rebounds, and 0 assists at -42 and doing so in less than 20 minutes.

"Green did not manage to score a single point. He didn't dish out a single assist. And he didn't pull down a single rebound. Across 19 minutes, the only positive statistic he managed to generate was a single steal. Within those minutes, the Warriors were outscored by 42 points. 

Among players who posted no points, rebounds or assists, that minus-42 plus-minus is a new NBA record. In fact, no player in the play-by-play era had ever been a minus-42 in fewer than 20 minutes before Green did so on Thursday."

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/draymond-green-makes-embarrassing-nba-history-as-warriors-suffer-51-point-blowout-loss-to-grizzlies/amp/

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2024/12/20
22:45 UTC

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Players choosing Kobe over LeBron over the years

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2024/12/20
22:44 UTC

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Anthony Davis has a 2 game winning streak against Domantas Sabonis!

After starting off 0-10 against Domantas Sabonis, AD is now 2-10! How long do you think AD's streak will continue for?

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2024/12/20
22:30 UTC

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Mark Cuban tells Shaq how Kobe Bryant almost became a Maverick “Kobe had asked to leave… It was going to be Josh Howard, Jason Terry & Picks

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2024/12/20
22:16 UTC

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Would capping 3pt attempts per game make the game more watchable?

There’s been a lot of discussion around how to improve watchability by nerfing 3s, and the usual suggestion is to allow more contact on the perimeter or perhaps to move the 3pt line back.

One thing I almost never hear suggested is calling the quantity of 3pt attempts per game. I like this because it is more black and white to implement than redefining what a foul is (which we know only ever lasts for like the first 2 months of the year) and preserves the integrity of prior 3pt records (can you imagine people downplaying curry if they decide to extend the 3pt line after he retires?).

Basically each team has a cap on number of 3s they can take. Every 3 they take after that is worth a regular 2 pts. It would be interesting to see how teams ration their attempts, introduce strategies on when is best to load up on 3s, and reincentivize easier and more aesthetically pleasing midrange shots after the cap is surpassed.

I would say the cap should be like 40 to start. Don’t want anything drastic but just want to encourage being highly selective with 3pt attempts.

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2024/12/20
22:12 UTC

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Are there going to be 15 starters voted in for the All Star Game?

I'm not confident that the NBA thought this through. The voting system seems unchanged but we're told that there will be 3 teams. Are the 10 "starters" just the first 10 guys drafted?

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2024/12/20
21:40 UTC

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[Dumas] Source: Joel Embiid is still listed on the injury report as questionable but a source has told me that he will play tonight against the hornets, barring any setbacks. He will wear a mask.

Source: Joel Embiid is still listed on the injury report as questionable but a source has told me that he will play tonight against the hornets, barring any setbacks. He will wear a mask.

Looks like Joel Embiid will be back tonight, 3 to 4 days ahead of schedule after fracturing his sinus. Big addition back to the Sixers lineup. They will finish their 4-game season series against the Hornets tonight.

source

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2024/12/20
21:38 UTC

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The Hornets underwhelming season can largely be attributed to Miles Bridges' terrible performance: 16.4 PTS (-4.6) on 42.6 FG% (-3.6) and 29.9 3PT% (-5%)

For the major contributor he was last season (their best offensive player, with LaMelo being injured) he's been doing more harm than good this season. After all the trade talks over the last couple years, is it finally time for Charlotte to move on from him?

Source: https://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/4066383/miles-bridges

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2024/12/20
21:34 UTC

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Tony Allen shares the story of when Al Jefferson let Tony borrow his Hummer

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2024/12/20
20:37 UTC

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10th to 12th player deserve some love and recognition to

Whats your favorite player,that is often in a frezzer deep on the bench, that for some reasons you like to see them play and wish to see even more (rookies,sophmores shouldn't count) Vit Krejći (from Hawks) 🇨🇿 skinny,tatted dude doesnt even look like a basketball player but he really has some flair, he often wants to make his time on the court be a highlight, often that can result in a lowlight, has streches when he is backup pg, and other where he is dnp for 10 straight Charles Bassey🇳🇬 and Mamukelasvili 🇬🇪 both players behind Zach Collins (ew) but both have thier moments and look really sound, energetic and strong, players who are never on scouting report but can burn you if you don't pay attention to them

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2024/12/20
20:19 UTC

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Zach Edey leads all rookies in ORTG/DRTG and Net Rating. He also leads the NBA in 3pt%

Zach Edey is also first in WS/48 and is scoring at the same rate as Jaylen Wells, Alex Sarr, and Steph Castle

Edey has been the most impactful defender in the draft, is stretching the floor, and scoring just as much as anyone else in this draft

Edey is the clear favorite for ROTY, but in respect to McCain it was his trophy bar none, prior to injury sadly.

Congrats to Memphis

61 Comments
2024/12/20
19:42 UTC

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Jalen Brunson was looking for his ex teammate postgame but Julius Randle walked off the court , you could see JB mouth to the Knicks lady “he left?”

344 Comments
2024/12/20
19:19 UTC

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Daily Discussion Thread + Game Thread Index

Game Threads Index (December 20, 2024):

Tip-offGDTAwayScoreHomePGT
07:00 pm ETCharlotte HornetsPRE-GAMEPhiladelphia 76ers
07:30 pm ETMilwaukee BucksPRE-GAMECleveland Cavaliers
08:00 pm ETOklahoma City ThunderPRE-GAMEMiami Heat
2 Comments
2024/12/20
19:00 UTC

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NBA.com’s updated MVP ladder (12/20/24)

  1. Nikola Jokic
  2. Giannis Antetokounmpo
  3. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
  4. Luka Doncic
  5. Jayson Tatum
  6. Karl-Anthony Towns
  7. Anthony Davis
  8. Victor Wembanyama
  9. Trae Young
  10. Tyler Herro

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-dec-20-2024-edition

140 Comments
2024/12/20
18:41 UTC

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[Siegel] The Sacramento Kings hold ZERO intentions of trading or making De'Aaron Fox available in trade talks, multiple league sources say.

Source – Brett Siegel of ClutchPoints:

One small but notable piece of intel from today's column on ClutchPoints.

The Kings hold ZERO intentions of trading or making De'Aaron Fox available in trade talks, multiple league sources say.

57 Comments
2024/12/20
18:31 UTC

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Kevin Durant invests in drone company used to surveil campus protesters

The investment was noted a few years ago in r/nba : https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/apmr6s/kevin_durants_thirty_five_ventures_is_moving_into/

and reported here: https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Issues/2017/10/20/Technology/kevin-durant-invests-autonomous-drone-startup-skydio.aspx

and now it's being reported by Jewish Currents that this company spied on student protesters this year at Yale: https://jewishcurrents.org/inside-yale-police-department-war-student-protesters-palestine

It feels eerie and dystopian to have basketball players make so much money and basically become a part of the surveillance state

23 Comments
2024/12/20
18:30 UTC

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[Siegel] Ever since losing in the NBA Cup, the Warriors have been ramping up their activities on the trade market, sources told @ClutchPoints. There is more of a willingness to discuss their young core of Jonathan Kuminga, Moses Moody, and Brandin Podziemski in trade discussions than ever before.

Source – Brett Siegel of ClutchPoints:

Ever since losing in the NBA Cup, the Warriors have been ramping up their activities on the trade market, sources told @ClutchPoints.

There is more of a willingness to discuss their young core of Kuminga, Moody, and Podziemski in trade discussions than ever before.

86 Comments
2024/12/20
18:21 UTC

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After the Annihilation of the Golden State Warriors, The Memphis Grizzlies are now the only team that is both top 5 in offense (#1 PPG 122.9) and Defense (#5 Def Rating 107.9)

The Grizz are quietly proving to be one of the best teams in the NBA. While everyone is losing their minds about teams taking so many 3's. The Grizz are playing the right way by leading the league in paint points (58.6) and also making the 13th most 3's (13.7)

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2024/12/20
18:15 UTC

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The Efficiency Landscape. What Jumps Out?

10 Takes

  1. The East Is BACK!

  2. OKC is great (except for NBA cup final, which

technically did not happen according to NBA stats department.)

  1. GSW is broken

  2. MEM is great

  3. LAL can score!

  4. (Slightly better than the Wizards)

  5. POR & UTA can't defend

  6. MIN can

  7. PHL has a pulse

https://x.com/kirkgoldsberry/status/1870120670551593298?s=46

28 Comments
2024/12/20
18:11 UTC

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ESPN’s first official MVP strawpoll has released. Nikola Jokic leads the way with 57 first place votes, followed by Shai Gilgeous-Alexander with 24 votes and Giannis Antetekounmpo with 19. No one else received a first place vote

Link (paywalled)

Full list

PlayerTeam1st2nd3rd4th5thTotal votesTotal points
Nikola JokicDEN57231820100827
Shai Gilgeous-AlexanderOKC24363532100678
Giannis AntetokounmpoMIL1938329098643
Jayson TatumBOS0313512895267
Luka DoncicDAL001264067123
Donovan MitchellCLE001671430
Karl-Anthony TownsNY0001111214
Kevin DurantPHX0002137
Jalen BrunsonNY0000555
Stephen CurryGS0000222
Anthony DavisLAL0000111
Victor WembanyamaSA0000111
Anthony EdwardsMIN0000111
Ja MorantMEM0000111
254 Comments
2024/12/20
18:04 UTC

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Joel Embiid has attempted a free throw in 437/439 career NBA games played (99.54%)

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/embiid-career-high-points-with-0-free-throw-attempt

For reference:

Luka- 418/420 games played https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/luka-career-high-points-with-0-free-throw-attempt

LeBron- 1501/1517 https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/lebron-career-high-points-with-0-free-throw-attempt

Statmuse won’t let you calculate past 25 games without paying so idk for other stars. Not hating, just an interesting stat. Drawing fouls and getting your team to the line will always be valuable.

23 Comments
2024/12/20
17:49 UTC

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Inside the NBA talks NBA teams taking too many threes

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2024/12/20
17:41 UTC

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