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I would love to see some of Hardaway's minutes go to Sasser, especially if his shot isn't falling early. There's a reason Mavs fans hated this dude.
We are seeing firsthand the needs of this team
A starting caliber center and s packup PG
Cade is our main generator of wins but when he is out we need a well rounded team
First thing you want to do is pick between Stew and Duren who will be our backup big of the future. They are both backup quality bigs. After you decide trade the other. Stew may get you more of a return and Duren is serviceable as the remaining backup big
Next you want to get a starting caliber, defense minded big. You also want to pick up a backup PG. Not a SG that you play at the point but a true PG. Someone who can create for others. Say it with me. Someone who is capable of creating with others
We have various assets to get a hold of bothe these player types. Assets discussed in the next bullet
Which leads to the next phase of further refining this team. Consolidate the wings on the roster. Out of Ausar, Ron, Tek, Tobias, Bobi pick 3 to move forward with. Out of Malik, Sasser, Wendell, TH2 pick 3 to move forward with. Trade the rest
This could leave you with Sasser, Tek, TH2 and even Ausar to trade for a quality defensive big and backip true PG. All this while keeping the core of our team
At the end of the day this roster has too much redundancy while not addressing its true needs
fill this up with trade proposals/free agency signings to make this team competitive , and explain, i’ll start.
mike conley/nikola vooch for 2 2nds
both teams are seemingly looking to move off their older players, taking in these seasons vets will mentor and provide spacing nicely. vooch can teach duren how to be a better offensive weapon, and conley can teach ivey/cade off ball movement, and also take over when one is out with injury as a ball handler.
It's games like this that make me certain that Jalen Duren absolutely cannot be relied upon as starting center of the future for this team.
Duren will have games like yesterday's in which it looks like there might really be something there despite the questionable defensive IQ. Then he'll lay an I-don't-give a-damn stinker like tonight. No motor. No defense. Zero rebounds. Selfish offense. -27 in 12.5 minutes. Pulled in both halves by a coach who's rightly holding him accountable.
We've all heard the excuses. He's only 21? It's rare for an NBA player of any age to have anywhere near his level of bad work ethic. He's on his third coach in three years? So is Cade, so is Ivey, so is Stewart, and all of them work hard in every game. He was in a bad situation last season? So was everyone else, and he was the only one who quit on defense. What's his excuse this season? There isn't one. There are no excuses. His motor is just bad, no frills. He's truly tried hard in maybe five games this season after taking the vast majority of last season off. An NBA player should not need special motivation in order to come out and try every game. He's the problem. Nothing else.
An organization simply cannot commit faith and money to a player like this. Even if he tries harder throughout the rest of the season, there's every possibility that it won't last -- and it may well get worse rather than better if he's secure with a new contract.
I've got to think that his season so far has got the front office thinking long and hard about what the future of the position for this team will look like. You can only ignore giant red flags for so long in the name of potential.
#Philadelphia 76ers at Detroit Pistons
Little Caesars Arena- Detroit, MI
Time Clock |
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Final |
Q1 | Q2 | Q3 | Q4 | Total | |
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PHI | 37 | 20 | 32 | 22 | 111 |
DET | 20 | 32 | 17 | 27 | 96 |
###Player Stats
Philadelphia 76ers
Player | MINS | PTS | FGM-A | 3PM-A | FTM-A | ORB | DRB | REB | AST | STL | BLK | TO | PF | +/- |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
P. George | 26:21 | 11 | 4-12 | 1-2 | 2-3 | 1 | 7 | 8 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 30 |
G. Yabusele | 24:39 | 7 | 3-6 | 1-2 | 0-0 | 1 | 7 | 8 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 14 |
A. Drummond | 3:33 | 4 | 2-3 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 |
K. Oubre Jr. | 30:51 | 14 | 6-11 | 2-5 | 0-0 | 2 | 4 | 6 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 26 |
T. Maxey | 35:13 | 28 | 11-24 | 5-10 | 1-2 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 6 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 25 |
A. Bona | 19:37 | 4 | 1-2 | 0-0 | 2-3 | 1 | 4 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 2 | 4 | 9 |
K. Martin | 27:08 | 19 | 7-8 | 1-2 | 4-5 | 3 | 3 | 6 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 1 | 3 | 7 |
J. McCain | 29:12 | 7 | 3-7 | 0-3 | 1-2 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 3 | -7 |
R. Council IV | 26:39 | 17 | 5-7 | 1-3 | 6-7 | 1 | 4 | 5 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 3 | -17 |
E. Gordon | 9:49 | 0 | 0-4 | 0-2 | 0-0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | -4 |
J. Edwards | 3:28 | 0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | -6 |
L. Quinones | 3:28 | 0 | 0-1 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | -6 |
Detroit Pistons
Player | MINS | PTS | FGM-A | 3PM-A | FTM-A | ORB | DRB | REB | AST | STL | BLK | TO | PF | +/- |
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T. Hardaway Jr. | 20:34 | 0 | 0-6 | 0-4 | 0-0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | -18 |
T. Harris | 22:37 | 4 | 1-8 | 0-3 | 2-3 | 1 | 6 | 7 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | -22 |
J. Duren | 12:32 | 4 | 2-2 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 1 | -27 |
M. Beasley | 26:49 | 19 | 6-9 | 4-5 | 3-3 | 0 | 6 | 6 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | -10 |
J. Ivey | 26:44 | 15 | 5-16 | 3-8 | 2-2 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | -16 |
A. Thompson | 13:43 | 9 | 4-5 | 1-2 | 0-1 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 1 | -4 |
M. Sasser | 25:59 | 12 | 5-11 | 2-3 | 0-0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
I. Stewart | 15:14 | 6 | 2-5 | 0-2 | 2-2 | 3 | 1 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 |
W. Moore Jr. | 15:35 | 11 | 4-9 | 0-1 | 3-3 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | -1 |
S. Fontecchio | 23:17 | 7 | 2-12 | 1-8 | 2-2 | 0 | 11 | 11 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 4 | 7 |
R. Holland II | 22:41 | 2 | 1-3 | 0-2 | 0-0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 7 |
P. Reed | 14:13 | 7 | 3-5 | 0-2 | 1-2 | 0 | 4 | 4 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 8 |
###Team Stats |
Team | FGM-A | 3PM-A | FTM-A | AST | PF | STL | TO | BLK | OREB | DREB | REB |
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PHI | 42-85 | 11-31 | 16-22 | 19 | 21 | 9 | 14 | 8 | 12 | 38 | 56 |
DET | 35-91 | 11-40 | 15-18 | 22 | 19 | 6 | 16 | 5 | 10 | 32 | 52 |
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#Philadelphia 76ers at Detroit Pistons
Little Caesars Arena- Detroit, MI
Time Clock |
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Final |
Q1 | Q2 | Q3 | Q4 | Total | |
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PHI | 37 | 20 | 32 | 22 | 111 |
DET | 20 | 32 | 17 | 27 | 96 |
###On the court
Philadelphia 76ers
Player | MINS | PTS | FGM-A | 3PM-A | FTM-A | ORB | DRB | REB | AST | STL | BLK | TO | PF | +/- |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
A. Bona | 19:37 | 4 | 1-2 | 0-0 | 2-3 | 1 | 4 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 2 | 4 | 9 |
J. McCain | 29:12 | 7 | 3-7 | 0-3 | 1-2 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 3 | -7 |
R. Council IV | 26:39 | 17 | 5-7 | 1-3 | 6-7 | 1 | 4 | 5 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 3 | -17 |
J. Edwards | 3:28 | 0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | -6 |
L. Quinones | 3:28 | 0 | 0-1 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | -6 |
Detroit Pistons
Player | MINS | PTS | FGM-A | 3PM-A | FTM-A | ORB | DRB | REB | AST | STL | BLK | TO | PF | +/- |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
M. Sasser | 25:59 | 12 | 5-11 | 2-3 | 0-0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
W. Moore Jr. | 15:35 | 11 | 4-9 | 0-1 | 3-3 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | -1 |
S. Fontecchio | 23:17 | 7 | 2-12 | 1-8 | 2-2 | 0 | 11 | 11 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 4 | 7 |
R. Holland II | 22:41 | 2 | 1-3 | 0-2 | 0-0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 7 |
P. Reed | 14:13 | 7 | 3-5 | 0-2 | 1-2 | 0 | 4 | 4 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 8 |
###Team Stats |
Team | FGM-A | 3PM-A | FTM-A | AST | PF | STL | TO | BLK | OREB | DREB | REB |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
PHI | 42-85 | 11-31 | 16-22 | 19 | 21 | 9 | 14 | 8 | 12 | 38 | 56 |
DET | 35-91 | 11-40 | 15-18 | 22 | 19 | 6 | 16 | 5 | 10 | 32 | 52 |
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For the future of the franchise.
Obviously this is better for our chances to win, but as somebody going to the game tonight I am a bit disappointed. Will be booing him endlessly. Bitch made.
title
1 We beat Bucks. 2 If we lose to Bucks, but out scored 6 or less. and Magic beat Knicks, we qualified as the best second rank team.
And smoking and then eating some bomb ass food while you wait to go to bed?
All that skipping past fouls and free throws. I'm single with no kids and I can love that more than having a family.
Big game, they beat us earlier in a game we were up double digits in the 4th if I recall correctly. This time we don't let them get within 13 and put the game out of reach with 4 or 5 minutes left. Duren is showing up, Thompson working on that corner 3, Ivey is showing flashes of being a really good #2 and Cade is BALLING!
Yea I'm still confused at the breakdown, there's also point differential? Are pistons currently going to Vegas or is there still more work to be done?
Its obvious Duren received 0 actual coaching last year at age 20. Now he has a serious coach, his defense is making a leap under JB. Can we wait until he can drink a beer for a full year before we write him off?
No one can deny he has been shooting it lights out. I don’t know what his level of interest is but I think offering him a reasonable bag for 3 more years would help us continue to have the spacing necessary to develop our young guys.
Great win
#Detroit Pistons at Indiana Pacers
Gainbridge Fieldhouse- Indianapolis, IN
Time Clock |
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Final |
Q1 | Q2 | Q3 | Q4 | Total | |
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DET | 33 | 30 | 29 | 38 | 130 |
IND | 24 | 29 | 20 | 33 | 106 |
###Player Stats
Detroit Pistons
Player | MINS | PTS | FGM-A | 3PM-A | FTM-A | ORB | DRB | REB | AST | STL | BLK | TO | PF | +/- |
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T. Hardaway Jr. | 27:06 | 10 | 3-8 | 2-6 | 2-2 | 0 | 4 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 10 |
T. Harris | 29:47 | 16 | 5-8 | 2-5 | 4-4 | 0 | 5 | 5 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 2 | 27 |
J. Duren | 26:12 | 14 | 5-8 | 0-0 | 4-7 | 2 | 10 | 12 | 2 | 0 | 4 | 1 | 2 | 21 |
J. Ivey | 31:23 | 23 | 8-13 | 3-8 | 4-4 | 1 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 15 |
C. Cunningham | 32:58 | 24 | 10-19 | 4-6 | 0-0 | 0 | 6 | 6 | 11 | 2 | 0 | 6 | 3 | 13 |
M. Beasley | 28:44 | 25 | 10-14 | 5-9 | 0-1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 30 |
I. Stewart | 21:39 | 2 | 1-2 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 |
A. Thompson | 11:45 | 5 | 1-5 | 1-3 | 2-2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 11 |
S. Fontecchio | 17:06 | 5 | 2-2 | 1-1 | 0-0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | -5 |
R. Holland II | 12:06 | 6 | 3-4 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 2 | 5 | 7 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 3 | -5 |
M. Sasser | 1:11 | 0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
Indiana Pacers
Player | MINS | PTS | FGM-A | 3PM-A | FTM-A | ORB | DRB | REB | AST | STL | BLK | TO | PF | +/- |
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B. Mathurin | 35:33 | 16 | 6-11 | 3-5 | 1-2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 2 | -10 |
P. Siakam | 34:39 | 21 | 9-19 | 1-6 | 2-2 | 2 | 7 | 9 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | -4 |
M. Turner | 27:48 | 9 | 3-8 | 1-3 | 2-2 | 1 | 9 | 10 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | -22 |
Q. Jackson | 15:50 | 8 | 3-6 | 2-3 | 0-0 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 3 | -14 |
T. Haliburton | 29:52 | 19 | 8-13 | 3-8 | 0-0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | -23 |
O. Toppin | 25:17 | 5 | 1-5 | 0-2 | 3-3 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | -8 |
J. Walker | 30:51 | 10 | 3-5 | 2-4 | 2-2 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 0 | 1 | 2 | -11 |
T. McConnell | 23:38 | 12 | 6-11 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 2 | -4 |
M. Brown | 4:36 | 0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 0 | -7 |
J. Furphy | 5:02 | 2 | 1-4 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | -5 |
E. Freeman | 3:40 | 2 | 1-1 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | -7 |
T. Newton | 3:14 | 2 | 0-2 | 0-1 | 2-2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | -5 |
###Team Stats |
Team | FGM-A | 3PM-A | FTM-A | AST | PF | STL | TO | BLK | OREB | DREB | REB |
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DET | 48-83 | 18-38 | 16-20 | 35 | 16 | 9 | 18 | 5 | 7 | 37 | 49 |
IND | 41-85 | 12-33 | 12-13 | 23 | 18 | 9 | 16 | 4 | 7 | 25 | 35 |
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