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Around the Horn General Discussion & Game Thread Index - December 3, 2024
★Game Thread. All game times are Eastern.
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West | Central | East |
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LAD 98-64 | MIL 93-69 | PHI 95-67 |
SD 93-69 | CHC 83-79 | ATL 89-73 |
AZ 89-73 | STL 83-79 | NYM 89-73 |
SF 80-82 | CIN 77-85 | WSH 71-91 |
COL 61-101 | PIT 76-86 | MIA 62-100 |
West | Central | East |
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HOU 88-73 | CLE 92-69 | NYY 94-68 |
SEA 85-77 | DET 86-76 | BAL 91-71 |
TEX 78-84 | KC 86-76 | BOS 81-81 |
OAK 69-93 | MIN 82-80 | TB 80-82 |
LAA 63-99 | CWS 41-121 | TOR 74-88 |
Updated 11/2 at 6:10 PM
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Fernando Tatis (Sr) accomplished this on April 23rd, 1999. He actually hit them off the same pitcher too (Chan Ho Park).
To break this record, a player would have to hit three grand slams in one inning.
Obviously it's technically possible, but excluding massive changes to how the game is played, there's no way this is ever broken, right?
I hope this isn’t always the best game I will ever see in person.
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Welcome all to the 2022 edition of the /r/BaseballHoF ballot. The /r/BaseballHof is a project started by /u/MyCousinVinny to make our own version of the Baseball Hall of Fame. It took a couple years due to a busy schedule but we are back!
This year’s ballot will feature everyone who remained on the ballot after the 2021 election as well as a number of newcomers.
You may vote for as many or as few candidates as you wish, it is entirely up to you. There is an abstain option when voting and please feel free to use it. But I do ask that you are respectful and take this seriously if you participate.
OK, on with the candidates:
Players' Ballot
Adrian Gonzalez First Ballot
Albert Pujols First Ballot
Andrew Miller First Ballot
Bobby Abreu
Brandon Phillips First Ballot
Brett Gardner First Ballot
Brian McCann
Buster Posey First Ballot
Carlos Delgado
Chase Utley
Cliff Lee
Daisuke Matsuzaka First Ballot
Dustin Pedroia
David Wright
Edwin Encarnacion First Ballot
Felix Hernandez First Ballot
Hanley Ramirez First Ballot
Hisashi Iwakuma First Ballot
Howard Kendrick First Ballot
Hideki Matsui
Hunter Pence
Ian Kinsler
Jake Arrita First Ballot
Jamie Moyer
Jason Giambi
Jeff Kent
Jimmy Rollins
Joakim Soria First Ballot
Johan Santana
John Olerud
Johnny Damon
Jon Lester First Ballot
Jorge Posada
Jose Reyes First Ballot
Justin Upton First Ballot
Kyle Seager First Ballot
Lance Berkman
Mark Buehrle
Mark Teixeira
Matt Kemp First Ballot
Melvin Upton First Ballot
Nick Markakis First Ballot
Nomar Garciaparra
Omar Vizquel
Paul Konerko
Prince Fielder
Roy Oswalt
Russell Martin First Ballot
Ryan Braun
Ryan Howard
Ryan Zimmerman First Ballot
Sal Fasano First Ballot
Sammy Sosa
Sergio Romo First Ballot
Shin-Soo Choo First Ballot
Stephen Strasburg First Ballot
Tim Hudson
Tim Lincecum First Ballot
Tim Wakefield
Torii Hunter
Troy Tulowitzki
Wilson Ramos First Ballot
Wladimir Balentien First Ballot
Yadier Molina First Ballot
Yoenis Cespedes First Ballot
Contributors' Ballot
Abe Isoo
Al Campanis
Al Munro Elias
Bob Murphy
Bowie Kuhn
Bruce Froemming
Buck Showalter
Bud Fowler
Carl Stotz
Cito Gaston
Davey Johnson
Don Baylor
Ewing Kaufman
Fay Vincent
Felipe Alou
Gene Autry
Gene Michael
Harry Wendelstedt
Hawk Harrelson
Jack McKeon
Jacques Doucet
Jerry Colangelo
Joe Black
Joe Buck First Ballot
Joe Maddon First Ballot
Lou Piniella
Mike Ilitch
Mike Shannon First Ballot
O.P. Caylor
Paul Beeston
Peter Seidler First Ballot
Rod Dedeaux
Roland Hemond
Terry Collins
Tom Cheek
William Wheaton
[2022 Ballot] (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfOfVYHdsyqpWFtRVeZs32x5pqDYgZocXS6oqBkw2wXbjGtAQ/viewform?usp=dialog) will be open until 01/05/2025.
[RESULTS SPREADSHEET] (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1N-Vp3YpV1Cw6KQ6Y38uMWUSIGxX_AleNZc-GSSeWgI4/edit?usp=sharing)
[HOF PLAYERS & CONTRIBUTORS] (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XJZLo767PsBOV0py34hRIzV6j0pK3bmN9U8M8UM5CAM/edit?usp=sharing)
Here is the positional breakdown of our HOF so far.
Total HOFers - 364
HOF Players - 261
Hitters - 184
Pitchers - 77
C - 20
1B - 26
2B - 20
3B - 23
SS - 20
LF - 23
CF - 24
RF - 24
DH - 4
SP - 70
RP - 7
Starting Pitcher 70 - Addie Joss (1924), Amos Rusie (1958), Bert Blyleven (1992), Bob Feller (1956), Bob Gibson (1976), Bret Saberhagen (2014), Bullet Joe Rogan (1948), C.C. Sabathia (2020), Cannonball Dick Redding (1986), Carl Hubbell (1944), Christy Mathewson (1920), Curt Schilling (2008), Cy Young (1915), Dave Stieb (2014), David Cone (2014), Dazzy Vance (1938), Dizzy Dean (1952), Don Drysdale (1970), Don Sutton (1988), Early Wynn (1966), Ed Walsh (1922), Eddie Plank (1924), Fergie Jenkins (1984), Gaylord Perry (1984), Greg Maddux (2008), Hal Newhouser (1960), Hideo Fujimoto (1982), Hilton Smith (1962), Jim Bunning (1972), Jim Palmer (1984), Joe McGinnity (1962), John Clarkson (1958), John Smoltz (2010), Juan Marichal (1974), Kevin Brown (2014), Kid Nichols (1905), Lefty Grove (1942), Luis Tiant (1982), Martin Dihigo (1950), Masaichi Kaneda (1972), Mike Mussina (2010), Nolan Ryan (1994), Old Hoss Radbourn (1900), Pedro Martinez (2010), Pete Alexander (1930), Phil Niekro (1988), Pud Galvin (1900), Randy Johnson (2010), Ray Brown (2017), Red Faber (1972), Robin Roberts (1966), Roger Clemens (2008), Roy Halladay (2013), Rube Waddell (1910), Sandy Koufax (1966), Satchel Paige (1954), Smokey Joe Williams (1950), Stan Coveleski (1972), Steve Carlton (1988), Takehiko Bessho (1982), Ted Lyons (1958), Three Fingers Brown (1920), Tim Keefe (1900), Tom Glavine (2008), Tom Seaver (1986), Victor Starffin (2014), Walter Johnson (1928), Warren Spahn (1966), Whitey Ford (1966), Willie "Bill" Foster (1996)
Relief Pitcher 7 - Billy Wagner (2018), Dennis Eckersley (1998), Goose Gossage (1994), Hoyt Wilhelm (1972), Mariano Rivera (2013), Rollie Fingers (2015), Trevor Hoffman (2010)
Catcher 20 - Bill Dickey (1948), Bill Freehan (2013), Biz Mackey (1962), Buck Ewing (1928), Carlton Fisk (1994), Ernie Lombardi (2017), Gabby Hartnett (1950), Gary Carter (1992), Ivan Rodriguez (2012), Joe Mauer (2019), Johnny Bench (1984), Josh Gibson (1946), Katsuya Nomura (1982), Louis Santop (1968), Mickey Cochrane (1938), Mike Piazza (2008), Roy Campanella (1958), Ted Simmons (1988), Thurman Munson (2015), Yogi Berra (1964)
First Baseman 26 - Ben Taylor (1986), Bill Terry (1948), Buck Leonard (1950), Cap Anson (1900), Dan Brouthers (1900), Eddie Murray (1998), Fred McGriff (2014), George Sisler (1930), Hank Greenberg (1948), Harmon Killebrew (1976), Hiromitsu Ochiai (2014), Jeff Bagwell (2006), Jim Thome (2012), Jimmie Foxx (1946), Joe Torre (1980), Johnny Mize (1954), Keith Hernandez (1990), Lou Gehrig (1938), Mark McGwire (2002), Mule Suttles (1962), Rafael Palmeiro (2012), Roger Connor (1900), Sadaharu Oh (1982), Tetsuharu Kawakami (1976), Todd Helton (2013), Willie McCovey (1980)
Second Baseman 20 - Bid McPhee (2014), Billy Herman (1962), Bobby Doerr (1974), Bobby Grich (1986), Charlie Gehringer (1942), Craig Biggio (2008), Cupid Childs (2014), Eddie Collins (1930), Frank Grant (1968), Frankie Frisch (1946), Jackie Robinson (1956), Joe Gordon (1950), Joe Morgan (1984), Lou Whitaker (1996), Nap Lajoie (1920), Roberto Alomar (2004), Rod Carew (1986), Rogers Hornsby (1938), Ryne Sandberg (1998), Tony Lazzeri (1982)
Third Baseman 23 - Adrian Beltre (2019), Bob Elliott (1962), Brooks Robinson (1978), Chipper Jones (2012), Deacon White (1948), Dick Allen (1980), Eddie Mathews (1968), George Brett (1994), Graig Nettles (1988), Jimmy Collins (2014), John Beckwith (1986), John McGraw (1956), Jud Wilson (1972), Home Run Baker (1922), Ken Boyer (1970), Mike Schmidt (1990), Ray Dandridge (1962), Ron Santo (1974), Sal Bando (1986), Scott Rolen (2014), Shigeo Nagashima (1974), Stan Hack (1966), Wade Boggs (2000)
Shortstop 20 - Alan Trammell (1996), Alex Rodriguez (2017), Arky Vaughan (1948), Barry Larkin (2004), Bill Dahlen (1934), Cal Ripken Jr. (2002), Derek Jeter (2015), Ernie Banks (1972), George Davis (1958), Honus Wagner (1920), Jack Glasscock (1954), Joe Cronin (1950), Lou Boudreau (1952), Luis Aparicio (1978), Luke Appling (1950), Ozzie Smith (1996), Pee Wee Reese (1958), Pop Lloyd (1950), Robin Yount (1994), Willie Wells (1962)
Left Fielder 23 - Al Simmons (1946), Barry Bonds (2008), Billy Williams (1976), Carl Yastrzemski (1984), Ed Delahanty (1910), Fred Clarke (1962), Goose Goslin (1940), Isao Harimoto (1984), Jesse Burkett (1956), Joe Medwick (1950), Lou Brock (1980), Manny Ramirez (2010), Minnie Minoso (2017), Monte Irvin (1960), Pete Rose (1986), Ralph Kiner (1956), Rickey Henderson (2004), Sherry Magee (1964), Ted Williams (1960), Tim Raines (2002), Turkey Stearnes (1954), Willie Stargell (1982), Zack Wheat (1950)
Center Fielder 24 - Andre Dawson (1998), Andruw Jones (2013), Billy Hamilton (1910), Carlos Beltran (2018) Cool Papa Bell (1946), Cristobal Torriente (1960), Duke Snider (1964), Earl Averill (1950), Jim Edmonds (2014), Jim Wynn (2000), Joe DiMaggio (1952), Ken Griffey Jr. (2010), Kenny Lofton (2012), Larry Doby (1960), Max Carey (1964), Mickey Mantle (1968), Oscar Charleston (1944), Pete Hill (1968), Richie Ashburn (1962), Tris Speaker (1928), Ty Cobb (1928), Willard Brown (1966), Willie Mays (1974), Yutaka Fukumoto (2014)
Right Fielder 24 - Al Kaline (1974), Babe Ruth (1936), Dave Winfield (1996), Dwight Evans (1998), Elmer Flick (1962), Enos Slaughter (1960), Frank Robinson (1976), Gary Sheffield (2012), Hank Aaron (1976), Harry Heilmann (1944), Ichiro Suzuki (2020), King Kelly (1936), Larry Walker (2012), Mel Ott (1946), Paul Waner (1948), Reggie Jackson (1988), Roberto Clemente (1972), Sam Crawford (1924), Sam Thompson (2014), Shoeless Joe Jackson (1920), Stan Musial (1964), Tony Gwynn (2002), Vladimir Guerrero (2012), Willie Keeler (1922)
Designated Hitter 4 - David Ortiz (2017), Edgar Martinez (2004), Frank Thomas (2008), Paul Molitor (1998)
Italics = elected by Veterans Committee
Bold = most recent addition
Thank you to the 188 people who submitted a ballot in the 2021 /r/BaseballHoF election.
Unfortunately we had no players be elected, although we did have one contributor manage to squeak in with a 75.9%. Congratulations to Dusty Baker on his election, receiving 22 votes from the 29 contributors who voted for him. Also, after a review of old ballots I noticed I had miscounted votes for Don Zimmer and Lou Piniella in 2016 and both were inducted on their first attempts getting 83.3% and 77.8% respectively.
We had several players receive over 50% in this year’s election. The leading vote getter was Chase Utley with 73.2% followed by Johan Santana with 70.7%, Jeff Kent with 53.2%, Mark Buerhrle with 52.4%, and Sammy Sosa with 51.2%. For the contributors over 50% we have leader Buck Showalter with 66.7%, Abe Isoo with 62.5%, Gene Autry with 56.5%, and rounding out the list William Wheaton with an even 50%.
Falling off the ballot this year will be Alex Gordon, Coco Crisp, Daniel Murphy, Endy Chavez, Fernando Rodney, Jose Cruz, Jr., Mark Grace, Mark Reynolds, Scott Kazmir, and Ubaldo Jiminez after failing to achieve 10%. For the contributors side coming off will be Jerry Howarth, Joe Brinkman, Ron Shelton, and Tom Grieve.
[HOF Results Spreadsheet] (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1N-Vp3YpV1Cw6KQ6Y38uMWUSIGxX_AleNZc-GSSeWgI4/edit?usp=sharing)
[HOF Spreadsheet] (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XJZLo767PsBOV0py34hRIzV6j0pK3bmN9U8M8UM5CAM/edit?usp=sharing)
Here is the positional breakdown of our HOF so far.
Total HOFers - 364
HOF Players - 261
Hitters - 184
Pitchers - 77
C - 20
1B - 26
2B - 20
3B - 23
SS - 20
LF - 23
CF - 24
RF - 24
DH - 4
SP - 70
RP - 7
Starting Pitcher 70 - Addie Joss (1924), Amos Rusie (1958), Bert Blyleven (1992), Bob Feller (1956), Bob Gibson (1976), Bret Saberhagen (2014), Bullet Joe Rogan (1948), C.C. Sabathia (2020), Cannonball Dick Redding (1986), Carl Hubbell (1944), Christy Mathewson (1920), Curt Schilling (2008), Cy Young (1915), Dave Stieb (2014), David Cone (2014), Dazzy Vance (1938), Dizzy Dean (1952), Don Drysdale (1970), Don Sutton (1988), Early Wynn (1966), Ed Walsh (1922), Eddie Plank (1924), Fergie Jenkins (1984), Gaylord Perry (1984), Greg Maddux (2008), Hal Newhouser (1960), Hideo Fujimoto (1982), Hilton Smith (1962), Jim Bunning (1972), Jim Palmer (1984), Joe McGinnity (1962), John Clarkson (1958), John Smoltz (2010), Juan Marichal (1974), Kevin Brown (2014), Kid Nichols (1905), Lefty Grove (1942), Luis Tiant (1982), Martin Dihigo (1950), Masaichi Kaneda (1972), Mike Mussina (2010), Nolan Ryan (1994), Old Hoss Radbourn (1900), Pedro Martinez (2010), Pete Alexander (1930), Phil Niekro (1988), Pud Galvin (1900), Randy Johnson (2010), Ray Brown (2017), Red Faber (1972), Robin Roberts (1966), Roger Clemens (2008), Roy Halladay (2013), Rube Waddell (1910), Sandy Koufax (1966), Satchel Paige (1954), Smokey Joe Williams (1950), Stan Coveleski (1972), Steve Carlton (1988), Takehiko Bessho (1982), Ted Lyons (1958), Three Fingers Brown (1920), Tim Keefe (1900), Tom Glavine (2008), Tom Seaver (1986), Victor Starffin (2014), Walter Johnson (1928), Warren Spahn (1966), Whitey Ford (1966), Willie "Bill" Foster (1996)
Relief Pitcher 7 - Billy Wagner (2018), Dennis Eckersley (1998), Goose Gossage (1994), Hoyt Wilhelm (1972), Mariano Rivera (2013), Rollie Fingers (2015), Trevor Hoffman (2010)
Catcher 20 - Bill Dickey (1948), Bill Freehan (2013), Biz Mackey (1962), Buck Ewing (1928), Carlton Fisk (1994), Ernie Lombardi (2017), Gabby Hartnett (1950), Gary Carter (1992), Ivan Rodriguez (2012), Joe Mauer (2019), Johnny Bench (1984), Josh Gibson (1946), Katsuya Nomura (1982), Louis Santop (1968), Mickey Cochrane (1938), Mike Piazza (2008), Roy Campanella (1958), Ted Simmons (1988), Thurman Munson (2015), Yogi Berra (1964)
First Baseman 26 - Ben Taylor (1986), Bill Terry (1948), Buck Leonard (1950), Cap Anson (1900), Dan Brouthers (1900), Eddie Murray (1998), Fred McGriff (2014), George Sisler (1930), Hank Greenberg (1948), Harmon Killebrew (1976), Hiromitsu Ochiai (2014), Jeff Bagwell (2006), Jim Thome (2012), Jimmie Foxx (1946), Joe Torre (1980), Johnny Mize (1954), Keith Hernandez (1990), Lou Gehrig (1938), Mark McGwire (2002), Mule Suttles (1962), Rafael Palmeiro (2012), Roger Connor (1900), Sadaharu Oh (1982), Tetsuharu Kawakami (1976), Todd Helton (2013), Willie McCovey (1980)
Second Baseman 20 - Bid McPhee (2014), Billy Herman (1962), Bobby Doerr (1974), Bobby Grich (1986), Charlie Gehringer (1942), Craig Biggio (2008), Cupid Childs (2014), Eddie Collins (1930), Frank Grant (1968), Frankie Frisch (1946), Jackie Robinson (1956), Joe Gordon (1950), Joe Morgan (1984), Lou Whitaker (1996), Nap Lajoie (1920), Roberto Alomar (2004), Rod Carew (1986), Rogers Hornsby (1938), Ryne Sandberg (1998), Tony Lazzeri (1982)
Third Baseman 23 - Adrian Beltre (2019), Bob Elliott (1962), Brooks Robinson (1978), Chipper Jones (2012), Deacon White (1948), Dick Allen (1980), Eddie Mathews (1968), George Brett (1994), Graig Nettles (1988), Jimmy Collins (2014), John Beckwith (1986), John McGraw (1956), Jud Wilson (1972), Home Run Baker (1922), Ken Boyer (1970), Mike Schmidt (1990), Ray Dandridge (1962), Ron Santo (1974), Sal Bando (1986), Scott Rolen (2014), Shigeo Nagashima (1974), Stan Hack (1966), Wade Boggs (2000)
Shortstop 20 - Alan Trammell (1996), Alex Rodriguez (2017), Arky Vaughan (1948), Barry Larkin (2004), Bill Dahlen (1934), Cal Ripken Jr. (2002), Derek Jeter (2015), Ernie Banks (1972), George Davis (1958), Honus Wagner (1920), Jack Glasscock (1954), Joe Cronin (1950), Lou Boudreau (1952), Luis Aparicio (1978), Luke Appling (1950), Ozzie Smith (1996), Pee Wee Reese (1958), Pop Lloyd (1950), Robin Yount (1994), Willie Wells (1962)
Left Fielder 23 - Al Simmons (1946), Barry Bonds (2008), Billy Williams (1976), Carl Yastrzemski (1984), Ed Delahanty (1910), Fred Clarke (1962), Goose Goslin (1940), Isao Harimoto (1984), Jesse Burkett (1956), Joe Medwick (1950), Lou Brock (1980), Manny Ramirez (2010), Minnie Minoso (2017), Monte Irvin (1960), Pete Rose (1986), Ralph Kiner (1956), Rickey Henderson (2004), Sherry Magee (1964), Ted Williams (1960), Tim Raines (2002), Turkey Stearnes (1954), Willie Stargell (1982), Zack Wheat (1950)
Center Fielder 24 - Andre Dawson (1998), Andruw Jones (2013), Billy Hamilton (1910), Carlos Beltran (2018) Cool Papa Bell (1946), Cristobal Torriente (1960), Duke Snider (1964), Earl Averill (1950), Jim Edmonds (2014), Jim Wynn (2000), Joe DiMaggio (1952), Ken Griffey Jr. (2010), Kenny Lofton (2012), Larry Doby (1960), Max Carey (1964), Mickey Mantle (1968), Oscar Charleston (1944), Pete Hill (1968), Richie Ashburn (1962), Tris Speaker (1928), Ty Cobb (1928), Willard Brown (1966), Willie Mays (1974), Yutaka Fukumoto (2014)
Right Fielder 24 - Al Kaline (1974), Babe Ruth (1936), Dave Winfield (1996), Dwight Evans (1998), Elmer Flick (1962), Enos Slaughter (1960), Frank Robinson (1976), Gary Sheffield (2012), Hank Aaron (1976), Harry Heilmann (1944), Ichiro Suzuki (2020), King Kelly (1936), Larry Walker (2012), Mel Ott (1946), Paul Waner (1948), Reggie Jackson (1988), Roberto Clemente (1972), Sam Crawford (1924), Sam Thompson (2014), Shoeless Joe Jackson (1920), Stan Musial (1964), Tony Gwynn (2002), Vladimir Guerrero (2012), Willie Keeler (1922)
Designated Hitter 4 - David Ortiz (2017), Edgar Martinez (2004), Frank Thomas (2008), Paul Molitor (1998)
Italics = elected by Veterans Committee
Bold = most recent addition
Randomly was thinking about first base defense and Victor Wembenyama—if Victor was a phenom in baseball, could he revolutionize the value of 1B defense? With his giant wingspan he could reach and get baseballs thrown at him way faster than your average first baseman; basically reducing the distance you need to throw to first. That can help 3B/SS with weaker arms.
You are meeting with the biggest free agent this off season, what is your pitch to him to get him to sign with your team? Are you making a video to impress him? Or are you catering the meeting from the best restaurant in the city? What are you promising him?
For me, it’s the fact that it could be the bottom of the 9th and you’re down by 10 runs and you could still come back and win the game. Can’t do that in other sports… impossible to win in football if you’re down multiple scores with just minutes left. Same thing for basketball and hockey.
I think Soto isn’t worth a penny over 200 million.
With the signing of Soto, other than pitchers, I'm hard pressed to think of a premier signing in the off-season by the Mets, ever since they signed Piazza. In the recentish past, it seems they've passed up opportunities for Goldschmidt, Holiday, Manny, and I just can't recall any big name signings, real off-season 'gets.'
I don't include Lindor; I'm talking about players from other teams entering the fa market....