/r/Emo
The largest online community for all things regarding emo music.
A Brief Introduction to Emo & its Various Forms
Emo is a genre of cathartic punk/alt rock music derived from hardcore known for its personal lyricism, loud/soft dynamics, and occasionally twinkly guitar work which all follow a distinct history and lineage. Resulting from its punk and hardcore roots, emo has a strong sense of DIY ethics, modesty, and authenticity. Aside from a handful of examples, emo has not experienced much mainstream exposure.
To clarify, Emo is NOT a style of fashion, a product, a feeling, or a demographic. Despite popular misconception, the following bands are NOT emo: My Chemical Romance, Panic! at the Disco, Pierce the Veil, Black Veil Brides, The Cure, Copeland, Linkin Park, Twenty One Pilots, Green Day, Blink-182, AFI, The Front Bottoms, Paramore, Teen Suicide, Pinegrove, Phoebe Bridgers, Third Eye Blind, etc. Furthermore, appealing to fans of emo, carrying similar characteristics, citing minor emo influences, and/or touring with emo bands does not necessarily equate to a band being emo. Emo is decided by scene involvement, history, significant influence, aesthetic, lyricism and musical style.
Outside Influences: the following genres and bands are NOT EMO but have had a strong impact on the sound and scene. These are sometimes referred to as Emo Adjacent. Genres: hardcore punk, post-hardcore, post-rock, slowcore, post-punk, math rock, pop punk, indie rock, college/slacker rock, and power pop Bands: Husker Du, Buffalo Tom, Weezer, the Smiths, Fugazi, Modern Baseball, Slint, Nation of Ulysses, Unwound, Modest Mouse, Death Cab for Cutie, Built to Spill, Codeine, Seam
The Waves The breaking up of emo into waves is a common, yet controversial, method of labeling different eras of emo. Not every wave is all one style or sound, although certain waves typify some more than others. The years of the waves, roughly speaking, are:
1st wave: 1985 to ~1992 (emocore/DC/Revolution Summer)
2nd wave: 1992 to ~2002 (Midwest emo/screamo/Skramz)
3rd wave: 2002 to ~2009 (Emo pop/basement emo/proto revival/screamo)
4th wave: 2009 to ~2018 (Emo revival/Twinkledaddies/Midwest emo/skramz)
5th wave: 2018 to Present (Emo pop/Sparklepunk/Weedmo/Emo Revival 2.0)
Emocore, the original form of emo, began approximately in 1985 as an emotionally charged and progressive form of hardcore punk, centered in Washington, DC, as a response to the machismo of the larger hardcore scene. It's short for emotive hardcore. Whereas hardcore before emo was often more nihilistic or political, emocore made the political personal and the personal political. These bands are often tagged "Revolution Summer" bands, and include artists such as Rites of Spring, Embrace, The Hated, Moss Icon and Fuel (not to be confused with the 90s alt rock band) and later on Native Nod, Navio Forge, Indian Summer and Still Life. This is the most pure distillation of "emo," although far from the only iteration. The term fell out of use in the mid 90s but was revitalized years later as a way to denote modern bands who still adhere to emo's hardcore roots, as opposed to a more indie rock approach. This included bands such as Life at These Speeds, Lumber Lung, End Of A Year, Overo, Feels Like Heaven and Jade Dust.
Midwest Emo is a style of emo that originated in the early 90s that takes from the song structure (and occasionally vocal style) of previous emo bands, but imbues it with more melodic sensibilities and broader influences. Bands started to experiment more with loud/soft dynamics, intricate melodies, heavy build-ups, and twinkly guitar work. At the core of these bands lies a commitment to the DIY ethic and an embrace of sincerity. Cap'n Jazz is often cited as the first midwest emo band, although bands like Gauge, Friction and Sideshow predate them. Perhaps the most influential band to this type of emo at the time, while ironically not being from the Midwest, was Sunny Day Real Estate. There are two trains of thought when concerning Midwest emo: The original concept was that it was a scene in the 1990s and early 2000s, not a sound. This would include only emo bands from the literal Midwest such as Cap'n Jazz, The Promise Ring, Boys Life, Braid, The Get Up Kids, Gauge and others. Sound and style didn't matter as much as geography, although the sound was often similar. This was the prevailing thought on Midwest emo until sometime in the mid ‘00s, when the association was widened to any bands who were perceived to have a similar sound, even if not from the Midwest, such as Christie Front Drive, Mineral, Texas Is The Reason, Jimmy Eat World and Sunny Day Real Estate, as well as later bands like Algernon Cadwadaller and Snowing. There is still much debate today over which definition is more accurate, usually drawn along generational lines. Also, while not originally a hallmark of the sound, Midwest emo eventually began to be associated with "math rock" around the 2010s due to the delayed influence of bands such as American Football. Today, many people informally use the term "Midwest emo" to mean anything that's not "mall emo" or "skramz," regardless of geography.
Screamo is an aggressive offshoot of Emo which began in the early 90s and is characterized by yelled or screamed vocals and dissonant guitar work. Screamo bands usually shy away from conventional song structures and often play around with loud/soft dynamics. Because screamo is often used as a catch all term for all genres with unclean vocals, many screamo fans often refer to true screamo as "Skramz", which began as a tongue-in-cheek joke in the mid 00s that nonetheless gained popularity as a term. Saetia, pg. 99, William Bonney, Orchid, L'Antietam, I Have Dreams, and the Kidcrash are a few examples of screamo bands. There are also screamo bands that experiment with post-rock and progressive rock tendencies, such as Gospel, Circle Takes the Square, and City of Caterpillar. The origins of screamo can be traced to many of the early 90s Gravity Records bands such as Heroin, Antioch Arrow and Clikatat Ikatowi as well as bands from other labels such as Honeywell, although these bands don't usually get called "Skramz".
Punk emo is a style that is usually considered more emo-adjacent than true emo due to the sound being closer to punk rock than traditional, hardcore influenced emo. Some of these bands, while not truly emo, were nonetheless wildly influential to emo, even sometimes more than "true" emo bands. These bands were punk rock bands who didn't share all the sonic similarities of most emo bands, yet had very emotional lyrics. This includes Jawbreaker, Samiam, Leatherface, Pegboy, Gameface and early Alkaline Trio.
Emo Pop describes various styles of emo with a tendency for poppy song structures, brighter/softer guitar work and a heavy use of hooks and anthemic choruses. Pioneered in the late 90s by The Get-Up Kids and the Promise Ring as they incorporated pop punk/power pop into their sound, the style would rise to prominence in the 2000s. Emo Pop often receives the most commercial success as well as diehard fans, notable examples include Taking Back Sunday, Free Throw, Dashboard Confessional, Tigers Jaw, Charmer, and The Early November. Emo Pop is a term that only gained use with the rise of the internet and is not a mutually exclusive term. For example, a band like The Promise Ring can be considered emo pop and Midwest emo at the same time, even if not all Midwest emo is emo pop.
The Emo Revival saw renewed public interest in emo, especially midwest emo, throughout the 2010s (despite existing prior). These bands were heavily influenced by Cap'n Jazz, Braid, American Football and Mineral; while having a strong bent towards math rock, indie, and pop punk in their song structure and guitar work. A few examples of these bands are Marietta, Brave Bird, Snowing, Prawn, Algernon Cadwallader, The World Is A Beautiful Place & I Am No Longer Afraid to Die, The Hotelier, and Glocca Morra. As this scene grew in popularity, The emo revival became a near-mainstream style of indie rock and created various new subsets in the genre. This includes Twinkledaddies, which refers to bands with prominent math rock riffs and melodies; and Sparklepunk/weedmo, which combines noodly college rock guitar work, built around a base of pop-punk/power pop and playful lyricism (examples include Mom Jeans, Charmer, Oolong, and Equipment).
Want to learn more about the history of emo? Check out this site.
There is also a tree of Emo here to read up on the most important albums within its numerous subgenres. Click here.
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i'm not entirely sure how to introduce this to you guys other than just telling you to check it out. definitely ffo alexisonfire. like most obscure youtube algorithm pulls i cant find much more on this band other than that they were from Vancouver, BC together 2002-2004. They toured Canada twice in this time and seemed to have a substantial local following. there's a pretty interesting interview that was conducted by local college students in 2003 - uploaded to youtube in 2011. massive music nerd here so any additional information would be exciting.
Hey, I’m reading a couple of books about the scene during the late 90s and early 2000s and Alex Saavedra’s house that Eyeball Records was based out of for a period of time keeps coming up. Any old timers on this sub ever been there? Did they have shows there or was it just a place where bands could crash and/or hang out when they were in the area? I’d be super grateful for any photos or stories you would be willing to share. Thanks!
Hope it’s cool that I share something like this here. Did an interview with Sinema for a show I run at school. First emo band I booked for the show. Special acoustic performance coming out this week.
Definitely give this episode a try these guys were such a blast to talk to and to host for the show.
Are there any bands that you loved when you were young but now you realize that they aren’t good? Lol
Stumbled on this really good LP, I think I heard the name but never listened. At this point in the 90’s save for Four Hundred Years this straight up emo seemed to be largely dead. Angular and angry. Good stuff!
I know some people do but I wanted to see if anyone still listens or has any knowledge/recommendations to share
turned 20 a day ago…
Or a modern band with a second wave emo kinda sound. My local emo scene is pretty much js screamo and copy’s of Vs Self which I love but I’ve yet to hear a modern band with a post hardcore like sound.
give me anything that makes you feel sad, depressed or bad in general but i'd appreciate the lesser known stuff for my playlist so not your typical hotelier, la dispute, merchant ships stuff and so on, you people know the drill!
Just found this band and this song is fucking nuts! I haven't been able to get the chorus out of my head. If anyone knows any bands that sound like the chorus of this song please let me know
Just showed up today. Can’t wait to have a first full listen of this album
https://open.spotify.com/album/1hzfgLAHkVmUxWLpAe69ej?si=u7tD8CBeSw-XW8pR2hVPUQ
This album is my favorite by them. There’s a lot more screaming in this album than the rest, but I love all their works.
i wrote and recorded some songs for fun. noisy twinkle shit. let me know what y’all think lol
I feel like Cap’n Jazz and Algernon Cadwallader had a certain goofy energy when they matched garage/indie tinged instrumentations with yelpy vocals and lyrics that didn’t take themselves very seriously. In a way, they’re kinda the “egg punk” bands of emo. What are some bands you think match that sound?? I feel like Home is Where and awakebutstillinbed come close, but I think I’m looking for something a little more on the nose.
Yesterday, my band Gawk had a show and we played Your Graduation by MoBo. Playing that live was so incredible, fuckin love Modern Baseball