Hey everyone hope your having a wonderful day. I'm a new player I just got done building my first army of space marines. I'm looking to start building my next army and I'm stuck between orcs and necrons. Can I get your opinion? Both armies seem like alot of fun.

Please feel free to comment and discuss my ist idea for CK.

I recently got a bunch of Chaos Knights for a really good price and I am trying to build a List for competitive games.

My idea is to have the brigands in a anti-tank/anti-infantry shooting role and the Despoiler as anti-infantry Shooter and melee threat. I am thinking about placing the karnivores in strategic reserves (because they can re-roll charges). The stalker as support, but mostly for making markers sticky with the Enhancement.

I am unsure if i should play tactical missions or fixed. The nurglings and Horrors can infiltrate and deep strike. I think cleanse, homers, behind or engange can be possible options for fixed?

CK (1990 Points)

Chaos Knights Traitoris Lance Strike Force (2000 Points)

CHARACTERS

Knight Despoiler (440 Points) • Warlord • 1x Despoiler gatling cannon 1x Diabolus heavy stubber 1x Heavy darkflamer 1x Ruinspear rocket pod 1x Titanic feet 1x Warpstrike claw

War Dog Stalker (175 Points)* • 1x Avenger chaincannon 1x Diabolus heavy stubber 1x Slaughterclaw • Enhancements: Aura of Terror

• This Datasheet also has the Battleline keyword

BATTLELINE

War Dog Brigand (170 Points) • 1x Armoured feet 1x Avenger chaincannon 1x Daemonbreath spear 1x Havoc multi-launcher

War Dog Brigand (170 Points) • 1x Armoured feet 1x Avenger chaincannon 1x Daemonbreath spear 1x Havoc multi-launcher

War Dog Brigand (170 Points) • 1x Armoured feet 1x Avenger chaincannon 1x Daemonbreath spear 1x Havoc multi-launcher

War Dog Brigand (170 Points) • 1x Armoured feet 1x Avenger chaincannon 1x Daemonbreath spear 1x Havoc multi-launcher

War Dog Brigand (170 Points) • 1x Armoured feet 1x Avenger chaincannon 1x Daemonbreath spear 1x Havoc multi-launcher

War Dog Karnivore (140 Points) • 1x Diabolus heavy stubber 1x Reaper chaintalon 1x Slaughterclaw

War Dog Karnivore (140 Points) • 1x Diabolus heavy stubber 1x Reaper chaintalon 1x Slaughterclaw

ALLIED UNITS

Blue Horrors (125 Points) • 10x Blue Horror • 10x Blue claws 10x Coruscating Blue Flames

Nurglings (40 Points) • 3x Nurgling Swarm • 3x Diseased claws and teeth

Nurglings (40 Points) • 3x Nurgling Swarm • 3x Diseased claws and teeth

Nurglings (40 Points) • 3x Nurgling Swarm • 3x Diseased claws and teeth

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I was advised for a while that you can only consolidate onto an objective if that unit is not already on an objective, but after reading through the rules with someone on Saturday whilst playing a game, it doesn’t mention that you cannot consolidate onto an objective even if that unit is already on it.

Which is correct please?

With the new Custodes codex leaks, is there any point to keeping the Battle Tactics only rider on 0cp abilities?

It made sense at the time because how do you price a Shield-captain that can give Fights First to a 10 man Custodes squad? But with the new codex, Custodes have completely lost Fights First across their entire faction. There was a game warping mechanic, and GW stepped in to remove it.

Now though? Every leader with the ability is locked into certain units (Captains, Overlords, Chaos Lords, with some exceptions) and many of the new codex detachments have strats that keyword lock them out of being used by those units in the first place (The Ravenwing detachment would only ever get access to AoC, Annihilation Legion has no keywords that overlap with Overlords, Null Maiden strats never apply to Shield-Captains).

I'm by no means an expert in every faction so I'm sure there's some interactions that might still be highly problematic (Tsons' Echoes of the Warp/Warp Sight, Grand Master Mist of Deimos on Terminator bricks, Hive Tyrants bringing back more gaunts in Endless Swarm, to name a few possible issues) but for factions like Nids, SM, (and soon Custodes) who practically have their faction built around the "adaptability" of free strats, it'd be nice to have some of the more niche options opened up.

I don't know, am I just a madman? Or should GW revert the Battle Tactics rule once the Custodes codex is fully released?

Hello, i am 100% new Warhammer 40k player. Whole reason I got to Warhammer 40k was the Death korps of Krieg. I am aware that building army from them is gonna be harder and more expensive and i dont mind. Cause my oponent is going to buy a combat patrol box I am trying to make a DkoK combat patrol box (around 500pts). It will be my first army ever and I want it to be decent because i dont want to buy a whole lot of new figures when i find out that my troopes dont work with each other or that someting is missing. So far my army is this: 1 death korps of krieg marshal 3 death korps of krieg units 2 chimeras 1 hellhound

Thanks for help in advance

Edit:I want to play by normal rules and not the combat patrol ones

Hello, warhammer comp friends!

Taking my BAs to a smaller newbie friendly tourney soon and looking for feedback on my list.

Carry on my sanguine sons (1500 Points)

Space Marines Blood Angels Sons of Sanguinius Strike Force (2000 Points)

CHARACTERS

Captain (80 Points) • 1x Plasma pistol 1x Power fist

Judiciar (70 Points) • 1x Absolvor bolt pistol 1x Executioner relic blade

Lemartes (110 Points) • Warlord • 1x Bolt Pistol 1x The Blood Crozius

The Sanguinor (140 Points) • 1x Encarmine broadsword

BATTLELINE

Assault Intercessor Squad (75 Points) • 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant • 1x Plasma pistol 1x Power fist • 4x Assault Intercessor • 4x Astartes chainsword 4x Heavy bolt pistol

OTHER DATASHEETS

Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (85 Points) • 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant with Jump Pack • 1x Plasma pistol 1x Power fist • 4x Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs • 4x Astartes chainsword 4x Heavy bolt pistol

Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (85 Points) • 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant with Jump Pack • 1x Plasma pistol 1x Power fist • 4x Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs • 4x Astartes chainsword 4x Heavy bolt pistol

Bladeguard Veteran Squad (180 Points) • 1x Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant • 1x Heavy bolt pistol 1x Master-crafted power weapon • 5x Bladeguard Veteran • 5x Heavy bolt pistol 5x Master-crafted power weapon

Death Company Marines with Jump Packs (260 Points) • 10x Death Company Marine with Jump Pack • 10x Inferno pistol 10x Power fist

Land Raider Redeemer (260 Points) • 1x Armoured tracks 2x Flamestorm cannon 1x Hunter-killer missile 1x Multi-melta 1x Storm bolter 1x Twin assault cannon

Scout Squad (65 Points) • 1x Scout Sergeant • 1x Astartes chainsword 1x Bolt pistol 1x Close combat weapon • 4x Scout • 1x Astartes shotgun 4x Bolt pistol 1x Boltgun 4x Close combat weapon 1x Missile launcher 1x Scout sniper rifle

ALLIED UNITS

Callidus Assassin (90 Points) • 1x Neural shredder 1x Phase sword and poison blades

When scoring secondaries for killing units. Do you need to kill all attached characters to accomplish it? Or do you score if you kill the unit and the characters break off? Sorry if this is a basic question just can’t seem to find something definitive in the rules.

I was assembling a unit of legionaries and realized that the lascannon that most squads take is not an option in the current box. I use the shoulder mounted rocket launcher as a reasonable proxy, but this did get me thinking about what options might get dropped when our codex releases next month.

• huron and lucis dont have plastic models
• Legionaries don't have the Lascannon or Autocannon
• Havocs do not have enough of ANY gun to have the whole squad equipped with the same one.
• Raptors only have one of each special gun (plas, melta, flamer)

Legionaries and raptors would both suffer a minor nerf if they had to downgrade a weapon on one of their models, but havocs would really take a hit if theyre forced to run a mixed loadout.

Any other major ones i'm missing?

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So I got into 40K late in 9th edition and now I’ve managed to get a good friend of mine interested in it during tenth. We play small amount of games on TTS as we’re trying to figure out what armies we like and what units in those armies are fun for us. I found the Tau and fell in love with them, he on the other hand has jumped around a bit and after reading some Horus heresy books is going with space marines. I do my best to make the terrain as fair as possible using GW layouts, GW missions, double checking rules on cover and LoS to make sure I’m not shooting things I shouldn’t be able to. I double check the stats on his models for special rules. Ask if there’s a strat he was before rolling dice really just as much as I can to give him a fair or sometimes in his favor fight. He has only ever won 2 games and that was when he tried chaos demons and I didn’t have enough shots to kill Belakor and 2 other greater demons. I have tried giving him advice that I’ve read about fighting Tau or things I think I should struggle against as Tau such as “If you just stick one unit out at a time I will blast it off the board because it’s my only option and now none of your other units are in a position to harm me. So try and fully commit at some point,” or “position some units in case you draw this secondary so you can score it and move on.” No matter how much I try and help him though he seems to make the same mistakes. Shooting the wrong weapons into the wrong target, when I’ve explained that anything str 9 or less shouldn’t be going into tanks unless there’s a special rule involved. (He shot plasma Inceptors into a ghostkeel when there were stealth suits right next to him in the open.) Recently he’s taken to just not moving if he gets first turn because he doesn’t want to get shot at. Which as a Kauyon player is nothing but good for me. Anyway my question is how do I help him improve because it’s not fun watching him get frustrated by the end of turn 2 and surrender sure I’m “winning” but that’s not why I play. I just wanna laugh and have a good time with little plastic dudes.

tldr- As a new player myself trying to help a friend whose also new but seems to never use the advice I give him or just have incredibly bad luck how do I help him besides just list tailoring to lose.

I've been running into this issue in some games recently and I want to know if anyone has had tournament or local rulings.

When a unit becomes battleshocked, does it lose the effects of previously used strats?

For example, strats used at the beginning of the command phase before the battleshock step, (like shoulder the burden for IK or ancient fury in ironstorm). Would the unit lose all the stat boosts if it then fails a battleshock?

Another example is "force a battleshock test at start of the fight phase" rules. If you have that ability, the controlling player can theoretically use a strat to boost a unit before it has to make a test (since if things happen simultaneously, the controlling player chooses the order) and completely bypass the point of the battleshock.

Everyone I've played with has a different opinion and I want to know if there's a majority consensus.

++ Army Roster (Chaos - World Eaters) [2,000pts] ++

Battle Size: 2. Strike Force (2000 Point limit)

Blessings of Khorne Reference

Detachment Choice: Berzerker Warband

• Epic Hero +

Angron [415pts]

• Battleline +

Jakhals [70pts]: Icon of Khorne . B: 1 mauler chainblade, 7 chainblades . . 7x Jakhals: 7x Autopistol, 7x Jakhal chainblades . Dishonoured w/ skullsmasher

• Infantry +

Eightbound [145pts] . 2x Eightbound: 2x Eightbound eviscerators . Eightbound Champion: Lacerators

Eightbound [145pts] . 2x Eightbound: 2x Eightbound eviscerators . Eightbound Champion: Lacerators

Eightbound [145pts] . 2x Eightbound: 2x Eightbound eviscerators . Eightbound Champion: Lacerators

Exalted Eightbound [160pts] . 2x Exalted Eightbound: 2x Eightbound chainfist, 2x Eightbound eviscerator . Exalted Eightbound Champion: Paired Eightbound chainfists

Exalted Eightbound [160pts] . 2x Exalted Eightbound: 2x Eightbound chainfist, 2x Eightbound eviscerator . Exalted Eightbound Champion: Paired Eightbound chainfists

• Vehicle +

Khorne Lord of Skulls [450pts]: Daemongore cannon, Skullhurler

World Eaters Maulerfiend [155pts]: 2 magma cutters

World Eaters Maulerfiend [155pts]: 2 magma cutters

++ Total: [2,000pts] ++

Thinking spawn can always snag the middle objective for cleanse/tempting/secure. Jakhals sit at home giving two rr on blessing with LoS +1 manipulation(kills a single unit) gives angron a 40.6% of coming back figure that with For the blood god strat(extra blessing plus chance to res angron will be pretty reliable and scary for the opponent. Maulers I like melta on them because they can help them crack ctan and with 2” blessing are pretty quick and it’s gives themselves +1 to hit if they get anything through which is nice and even if you advance/charge the extra tendrils at -1 just seem underwhelming. The eightbound and angron can scare a turn one charge and can kill a lot of objective stand around guys really with the exalted being slightly scarier and tanker can go threaten most objectives. LoS is pretty tanky with good shooting and would just kinda add to stat check this army.

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This weekend we had 10 GT Solo events with 502 players. Which is a great turn out as I counted 832 players at Team events this weekend. With many of the best players of North America said events we had a very interesting weekend. I hope you had fun as the Orks are coming and they are going to shake up the Meta.

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OPEN 40K Major - Ile de France – Aleatorium. Montsoult, France. 127 players. 5 rounds.

WTC Scoring. Found on https://miniheadquarters.com/tournaments/individual/results/open-40k-major-ile-de-france-2024-04-13

1. Necrons (Hyper) 5-0

2. Sisters 5-0

3. Grey Knights 4-0-1

4. Aeldari 4-0-1

5. Black Templars (Ironstorm) 4-0-1

6. Sisters 4-1

7. Grey Knights 4-1

8. Necrons (CC) 4-1

9. Aeldari 4-1

10. GSC 4-1

11. Aeldari 4-1

12. GSC 4-1

13. Grey Knights 4-1

14. Necrons (CC) 4-1

15. Tau 4-1

16. Guard 41

17. Custodes 4-1

Bedlam in the 'Burgh 2024 40k GT. Coraopolis, PA. 50 players

1. Imperial Knights 5-0

2. Space Marines (Ironstorm) 4-1

3. World Eaters 4-1

4. Thousand Sons 4-1

5. Space Marines (Ironstorm) 4-1

6. Necrons (Canoptek) 4-1

7. Space Marines (Ironstorm) 4-1

8. Sisters 4-1

The Los Angeles Classic GT '24. Pasadena, CA. 49 players. 5 rounds.

1. Space Wolves (GTF) 5-0

2. Tau 5-0

3. Black Templars (GTF) 4-1

4. Space Marines (Ironstrom) 4-1

5. Chaos Space Marines 4-1

6. Thousand Sons 4-1

7. Votann 4-1

8. Space Marines (ironstorm) 4-1

9. Death Guard 4-1

III GT-CT. Cartagena, Spain. 48 players. 5 rounds.

1. Grey Knights 5-0

2. Orks 4-1

3. Necrons (Awakened) 4-1

4. Grey Knights 4-1

5. Aeldari 4-1

6. World Eaters 4-1

7. Death Guard 4-1

8. Guard 4-1

9. Death Guard 4-1

Vanquish 2024. England. 47 players. 5 rounds.

1. Chaos Daemons 5-0

2. Chaos Daemons 4-1

3. Guard 4-1

4. Tyranids (Synaptic) 4-1

5. Aeldari 4-1

6. Tau 4-1

7. Guard 4-1

8. Thousand Sons 4-1

Münsterland GT6. Horstmar, Germany. 46 players. 5 rounds.

WTC Scoring

1. Thousand Sons 5-0

2. Aeldari 4-1

3. Votann 4-1

4. Drukhari (Sky) 4-1

5. Aeldari 4-1

6. Necrons (Hyper) 4-1

7. Aeldari 4-1

8. Drukhari (Sky) 4-1

9. Black Templars (Ironstorm) 4-1

ADFWGA-ANZAC Cup 2024. Campbell, Australia. 42 players. 5 rounds.

1. Aeldari 5-0

2. Death Guard 4-1

3. Black Templars (GTF) 4-1

4. Custodes 4-1

5. Imperial Knights 4-1

6. Tyranids (Invasion) 4-1

Montana Beerhammer GT. Clyde Park, MT. 33 players. 5 rounds.

WTC Scoring

1. Sisters 4-0-1

2. Grey Knights 3-0-2

3. Drukhari (Sky) 4-1

4. Thousand Sons 4-1

5. Chaos Kngihts 4-1

Double Decker Decimation GT 2024. Cheney, KS. 32 players. 5 rounds.

1. Necrons (Canoptek) 5-0

2. Death Guard 4-1

3. Space Wolves (Stormlance) 4-1

4. Necrons (Hyper) 4-1

5. Sisters 4-1

6. Chaos Daemons 4-1

Tarheel Warhammer 40k charity GT. Carry, NC. 31 players. 5 rounds.

1. Blood Angels (Sons) 5-0

2. Custodes 4-1

3. Necrons (Hyper) 4-1

4. Necrons (Canoptek) 4-1

5. Necrons (Hyper) 4-1

Takeaways:

For all the other factions not mentioned below see their results Hereat my website.

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Sisters had a great weekend wining an event and having the highest win rate of the weekend at 59%. With 5 out of their 15 players, a full 1/3 going X-1 or X-0.

Thousand Sons were right behind Sisters also having a 59% win rate and tournament win and 5 of their 14 players making top tables.

Chaos Space Marines were the worst faction of the weekend again with 17 players with a 33% win rate and only 1 player going X-1.

Guard were the second most played faction and were the 4th worst. With a 40% win rate and no event wins they still had 4 players go X-1.

Blood Angels won a small event and had a nice 50% win rate.

Aeldari had a 56% win rate and 9 top placings. Winning one event they seem to be climbing back up towards the top

As if their collective spirit was broken this weekend with the news of their terrible codex Custodes had their worst weekend in 15+ weeks. With a 42% and only 3 of their 35 players making it to the top tables.

Necrons won two events this weekend including the largest one that took place in France. With a 50% win rate it was a fall from their typical win rate but they still dominated the top tables with 12 of their players going X-0/X-1

Grey Knights won an event and had 6 of their 29 players go X-0/X-1. With a 50% weekend they seem to have found a health place in the Meta.

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See all the data HERE

Not talking about just 10th, but what would be the best faction for their edition in the long and illustrious history of 40K? Not just compared to its contemporaries, but across the whole edition?

For example, do you think pre-nerf Harlequins was more overpowered than pre-nerf Nids in 9th?

I'll start- I think 10th Ed index Eldar are probably the worst offenders. 12 fate dice, no phase restriction, pre-nerf Devastating Wounds...

Hi guys, I'm having trouble playing against death watch. This is his list

Deathwatch Black Spear Task Force Strike Force (2000 Points)

CHARACTERS

Apothecary (50 Points) • 1x Absolvor bolt pistol 1x Close combat weapon 1x Reductor pistol

Apothecary Biologis (55 Points) • 1x Absolvor bolt pistol 1x Close combat weapon

Captain in Gravis Armour (95 Points) • 1x Boltstorm gauntlet 1x Power fist 1x Relic blade • Enhancements: Thief of Secrets

Librarian in Terminator Armour (75 Points) • 1x Combi-weapon 1x Force weapon 1x Smite

Watch Master (155 Points) • Warlord • 1x Vigil spear • Enhancements: The Tome of Ectoclades

OTHER DATASHEETS

Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (85 Points) • 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant with Jump Pack • 1x Plasma pistol 1x Power fist • 4x Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs • 4x Astartes chainsword 3x Heavy bolt pistol 1x Plasma pistol

Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (85 Points) • 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant with Jump Pack • 1x Plasma pistol 1x Power fist • 4x Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs • 4x Astartes chainsword 3x Heavy bolt pistol 1x Plasma pistol

Deathwatch Terminator Squad (210 Points) • 1x Deathwatch Terminator Sergeant • 1x Storm Shield 1x Thunder hammer • 4x Deathwatch Terminator • 3x Cyclone missile launcher 3x Power fist 1x Storm Shield 3x Storm bolter 1x Thunder hammer

Eradicator Squad (190 Points) • 1x Eradicator Sergeant • 1x Bolt pistol 1x Close combat weapon 1x Melta rifle • 5x Eradicator • 5x Bolt pistol 5x Close combat weapon 3x Melta rifle 2x Multi-melta

Indomitor Kill Team (270 Points) • 5x Kill Team Heavy Intercessor • 5x Bolt pistol 5x Close combat weapon 4x Heavy bolt rifle 1x Heavy bolter • 2x Kill Team Heavy Intercessor with power fists • 2x Auto boltstorm gauntlets 2x Fragstorm grenade launcher 2x Power fists • 1x Kill Team Heavy Intercessor with melta rifle • 1x Bolt pistol 1x Close combat weapon 1x Multi-melta • 2x Kill Team Heavy Intercessor with jump pack • 2x Close combat weapon 2x Jump pack 2x Plasma exterminators

Indomitor Kill Team (270 Points) • 5x Kill Team Heavy Intercessor • 5x Bolt pistol 5x Close combat weapon 4x Heavy bolt rifle 1x Heavy bolter • 2x Kill Team Heavy Intercessor with power fists • 2x Auto boltstorm gauntlets 2x Fragstorm grenade launcher 2x Power fists • 1x Kill Team Heavy Intercessor with melta rifle • 1x Bolt pistol 1x Close combat weapon 1x Multi-melta • 2x Kill Team Heavy Intercessor with jump pack • 2x Assault bolters 2x Close combat weapon 2x Jump pack

Proteus Kill Team (360 Points) • 5x Kill Team Veteran • 5x Close combat weapon 1x Deathwatch thunder hammer 4x Infernus heavy bolter • 1x Kill Team Biker • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Long Vigil melee weapon 1x Twin boltgun • 4x Kill Team Terminator • 3x Cyclone missile launcher 3x Power fist 1x Storm Shield 3x Storm bolter 1x Terminator thunder hammer

ALLIED UNITS

Inquisitor (55 Points) • 1x Combi-weapon 1x Force weapon 1x Psychic Gifts 1x Psychic Shock Wave

Inquisitorial Henchmen (40 Points) • 4x Inquisitorial Acolyte • 4x Acolyte firearm 4x Acolyte melee weapon

This is mine

Thousand Sons Cult of Magic Strike Force (2000 Points)

CHARACTERS

Ahriman (130 Points) • 1x Black Staff of Ahriman 1x Inferno bolt pistol 1x Psychic Stalk

Exalted Sorcerer on Disc of Tzeentch (115 Points) • 1x Arcane Fire 1x Force weapon 1x Inferno bolt pistol

Infernal Master (105 Points) • 1x Force weapon 1x Inferno bolt pistol 1x Screamer Invocation • Enhancements: Arcane Vortex

Infernal Master (110 Points) • 1x Force weapon 1x Inferno bolt pistol 1x Screamer Invocation • Enhancements: Umbralefic Crystal

Magnus the Red (440 Points) • Warlord • 1x Blade of Magnus 1x Gaze of Magnus 1x Tzeentch’s Firestorm

Thousand Sons Daemon Prince (180 Points) • 1x Hellforged weapons 1x Infernal cannon

Thousand Sons Sorcerer (120 Points) • 1x Fires of the Abyss 1x Force weapon 1x Inferno bolt pistol • Enhancements: Lord of Forbidden Lore

BATTLELINE

Rubric Marines (210 Points) • 1x Aspiring Sorcerer • 1x Force weapon 1x Warpflame pistol 1x Warpsmite • 9x Rubric Marine • 9x Close combat weapon 1x Icon of Flame 1x Soulreaper cannon 8x Warpflamer

Rubric Marines (105 Points) • 1x Aspiring Sorcerer • 1x Force weapon 1x Warpflame pistol 1x Warpsmite • 4x Rubric Marine • 4x Close combat weapon 1x Icon of Flame 1x Soulreaper cannon 3x Warpflamer

Rubric Marines (105 Points) • 1x Aspiring Sorcerer • 1x Force weapon 1x Warpflame pistol 1x Warpsmite • 4x Rubric Marine • 4x Close combat weapon 1x Icon of Flame 1x Soulreaper cannon 3x Warpflamer

Rubric Marines (105 Points) • 1x Aspiring Sorcerer • 1x Force weapon 1x Warpflame pistol 1x Warpsmite • 4x Rubric Marine • 4x Close combat weapon 1x Icon of Flame 1x Soulreaper cannon 3x Warpflamer

OTHER DATASHEETS

Mutalith Vortex Beast (165 Points) • 1x Betentaled maw 1x Mutalith claws 1x Warp vortex

Thousand Sons Cultists (60 Points) • 1x Thousand Sons Cultist Champion • 1x Brutal assault weapon 1x Cultist firearm • 9x Thousand Sons Cultist • 9x Brutal assault weapon 6x Cultist firearm 1x Flamer 1x Grenade launcher 1x Heavy stubber

Tzaangor Enlightened (45 Points) • 1x Aviarch • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Fatecaster greatbow • 2x Enlightened • 2x Close combat weapon 2x Fatecaster greatbow

Practically during the second turn he teleports 2 kill teams in front of my units, plus terminators and eradicators that arrive from the reserves. It's almost impossible for me to hide my army and I find myself in trouble right away. Do you have any advice? Strategies? Or something to change on my list? Consider that we are a group of friends and in addition to the death watch I face imperial knights, aeldari and necrons.

Hi! Not a 40k player but my partner is very much a competitive one. I'm attending a tournament with him soon and as someone who has never been, I was wondering what the appropriate etiquette is for partners/family/friends attending. The last thing I want to do is embarrass him or make the tournament worse for others but I also want to watch (to some extent, definitely will not be at the table the whole time, will be more checking in). Was just wondering how it goes as far as talking to him and the like. Any tips will help! Just want to support him and be there for him in a non-in-the-way way. :)

Edit: I'd like to add that I am generally curious about the game and wouldn't necessarily be bored out of my mind (artist & pc gamer) so I'm not too worried about falling asleep or anything haha :) my partner's been teaching me what he can so I'm not going in completely blind (barring his thousand sons army bc there's no chance in the next month or maybe year that I understand that yet!)

I was reading new Custodes codex and one stratagem took my attention, it was Vigil Unending.

Fight on Death, for 1 character model (yes, not the unit, just a single model) for 2 CP.

I don't want to be mean to a fresh new book, like people worked on this for a while and I always respect that, but this stratagem looks like shitpost, as if it was meant to be a joke.

So I have a question, what is the worst stratagem in 40k you can remember? Lets also include older editions as well. Curious if there was a worse one than Vigil Unending.

If I want to end up with a big ball of units in position to dominate the middle of the board (e.g. many units / vehicles clustered to benefit from overlapping auras), what’s the best way to deploy for that?

In particular, if it’s not possible to hide the entire ball during deployment, is it better to spread out and hide and try to assemble the ball a few turns in? Or deploy with everything together (or able to assemble T1) but leave some of the pieces exposed to T1 shooting?

Or is it better to have a couple very different deployment plans depending on how much of a threat the enemy shooting is?

Hi all together,

as the title says i'm looking for competitive players/a competitive group for 40k in the area around Bonn/Cologne(Köln) Germany.

After moving from BaWü i'm looking to play more than once a month, when i'm in Freiburg with my old group, to start getting more competitive again (Tournaments, etc.)

My Main Factions atm are Orks and Nids.

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I'd be happy to receive some DMs from other like minded Players in this area!

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Best Regards

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I'm a new player to Warhammer, and I started with the hope of getting in competitve. But I have to admit that I'm feeling really discouraged at the moment. I've played seven games, and every time, I've been stomped so hard that it's really not feeling fun. The problem is each time I've played at my local game store, I've been completely tabled before turn 3. I don't feel like I'm learning anything, as I'm not scoring any points or killing any units.

In my last two games, I didn't kill a SINGLE unit. In my last match, I only did a total of six damage as my enemies made nearly every single save and feel no pain (I also missed a suprising amount of shots.) It feels like my guys are little more than speed bumps for the enemy team as they roll over me and take all the objectives. Right now, I'm using the units from the Leviathan box along with a few extras to make a 1000-1250 Space Marine army. The armies I've faced so far have been Orks, Necrons, Custodes, and Black Templars.

Did anyone else experience this when they first got started? I'm trying to pick up more competitive units, but to be honest, I'm starting to lose any motivation to play.

Here's the deployment:

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Hello! I played the (probably) second-to-last game before the tournament I'm running starts on Saturday. It's a small 4 man round robin: me, a pissed Custodes player, an Ork and a guard player.
Yesterday I had a match vs the guard player who's attending, 1000p, and I'd love some criticism.
I ran Christian's list (the Youtuber) of 20 Neopyhytes with a Nexos (GL & SC), 10 Acolytes with a Primus, 10 Neophytes standing on home objective, 10 Genestealers with a Patriatch, a Reductus Saboteur (infiltrated into the middle of the board), a Ridge Runner and since points have dropped, a Cyclops Demolition Vehicle (behind a ruin in the left corner)

The picture shows deployment. I ran fixed missions: Engage on All Fronts & Deploy Teleport Homers, and he ran tactical. I've neved used fixed missions before, always opting for tactical (because they're way more fun).

I put the 20 Neophytes and 10 Acolytes in Deep Strike (using the Primus ability to return them to reserves), shuffling some other stuff around (the Saboteur was on the right flank at first, but the Kasrkin with their scout movement + normal move + move move move would've been able to circle around the ruin to catch her so I moved her into the middle).

Round 1

I got initiative and took it, and he did his scout moves, moving his sentinel away more from my Genestealers, pushing his Chimera & Kasrkin forward.
My initial plan was to use the Genestealers to tie up the scout sentinel (and get the Rogal Dorn into close combat) but he moved his Sentinel to counteract it, so I sent my Genestealers forward into the Chimera, enveloping it and tagging the Infantry squad next to them.
The Genestealers did 6 damage to the Chimera, and I managed to push them far enough so that I got Engage on All Fronts the first turn, and Teleport Homer with the Saboteur behind the ruin. Cool cool. The bad part is that I didn't have anything to hold primaries with, which lost me a huge amount of points. Only my Saboteur and Neophytes were on objectives, but I didn't see how I could move anything forward to snatch more without getting absolutely mauled by the returning fire.
At the end of my turn he returned his Gaunt's Ghosts to reserves and told me that he can deep strike them back in during his turn 1, which I hadn't screened for and didn't know about, so he did just that.
He spent his first turn moving the Kasrkin on the right flank on to the objective in no-mans-land, and disengaging the Genestealers. The Ghosts used Deep Strike behind the ruin so they got a clean line of fire on my Saboteur, whose mines don't trigger on Deep Strike and who went up in smoke. That's -65 points and a Primary lost for my turn 2.
The Rogal Dorn opened fire into the Genestealers along with everything else and killed them all, leaving the Patriarch alone. I rolled a 2, so no more Genestealers. Oh-oh.

Round 2
I shuffled the Ridge Runner & Cyclops around so I was now properly screening for Deep Strike, but I didn't see any way to keep primaries without having my units die from fire the following turn.
I used Deep Strike on the Acolytes with the Primus putting them behind the ruins in the top right flank so I could get Teleport Homer + Engage on All Fronts. This was obviously a huge point sink and in retrospect I'd have done much better if I had an extra Lone Operative in reserves to deal with it instead, but even if I had done say a 3" Deep Strike against the Rogal Dorn he'd just active the "-1 dmg from all sources" Stratagem, and they'd definitely die from the returning fire.
The Neophytes did a 3" Deep Strike into his territory, 5 dying to the Chimera's Overwatch, but ended up killing the Chimera (with -1 AP help from the Ridge Runner) and the entire command retinue (Infantry Squad + Platoon Command), Ursula being the only one remaining. The Chimera exploded killing 3 more Neophytes, of course. The idea was to put them both back in reserves the following turn (Acolytes and Neophytes) to attack a new target, but I already had a sinking feeling that I'd never be able to catch up on primaries.
My Patriarch charged the Ghosts, taking down 3 but suffering 3 wounds in the process.
During his turn he pushed into the middle, now holding all four objectives in no-mans-lands, and deep struck his Scions into my deployment zone for Behind Enemy Lines. The way I had positioned my Neophytes meant that I couldn't see the Scions and he was safe. He disengaged with his ghosts and lobbed a grenade with the ghosts who fell back, killing my Patriarch.
His Catachan & Ursula shot my Neophytes and then charged them, ultimately putting them down to 2 men and a Nexos. So I wouldn't be able to either put them back into Deep Strike nor roll to see if they'd return. Welp. I put the Acolytes back into Deep Strike.

Round 3
By this time there was a huge point discrepancy and no way for me to catch up. We played out my round and then I called it. During my round
Thoughts
- I shouldn't have gone first, but instead let my opponent move forward towards me. Going first made the Gaunt's Ghost gatcha possible but also meant that I had to try and hold the primaries initially, which I wasn't able to do.
- The Ridge Runner was surprisingly clunky since I already had a Neophyte squad holding the bottom right quarter and a Cyclops holding the bottom left. -1 AP is cool if there's a big juicy target for it, but I couldn't use it's movement at all, nor expect it to do anything if my opponent ended up deep striking in.
- I could've screened the Ghosts from coming in, also had no idea they had Fight First, what a wild datasheet they have!
- I would arguably been better off keeping the big blob of Neophytes on the mat for turn one instead of having them in Deep Strike, since they'd be able to help with primaries and ruined any chance of Deep Strike shenanigans from my opponent (due to the Overwatch threat) and probably manage to kill a troop turn one.
- The Genestealers with the Patriarch are quite sturdy, but it's also a hefty points investment and it's not like they can stand on a primary and hold it against a Rogal Dorn. If I had managed to get them into engagement range with the Dorn things would've been different, but everything was screened. I gambled on getting engage on all fronts + the genestealers back with cult ambush.
- I felt like I had to use my hammer units to kill chaff and do secondaries, and wasn't able to plop them up in a good position that wouldn't expose them severely the next turn.
- I'll run the 10 Acolytes without a leader next time, and instead run the 20 man Neophyte blob with both a Primus and Nexos. With the Primus they become a big overwatch threat on my opponents turn, and I can split fire to severely cripple several Infantry units (which is better than outright killing 1)
- I'll run a second Saboteur as a Lone Op instead of the Ridge Runner. I'll let the Neophyte & Cyclops back home handle "Investigate Signals" and "Engage on all Fronts", on that note, I'll also run Tactical missions because it's what I'm used to.
- Genestealers & Patriarch are out and a Biophagus and 5 Aberrants are in, because I need help with primaries.
So new list is:
Primus & Nexos + 20 Neophytes (4x GL 4x SC)
10 Acolytes (4 Demolition Charges, 5 Hand Flamers)
2x Reductus Saboteur
Biophagus (FoA) & 5 Aberrants
10 Neophytes (ML & Flamers)
Cyclops Demolition Vehicle
I'd love some critique and pointers!

As it’s stated above, what tips would you give to improve the deployment step of a game. What are the nuances of this step that many people tend to miss?

Would these tips change depending on the type of army list you face or the faction you’re against? What is your personal guide for new and veteran players alike to make the perfect deployment?