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Do all Eldar souls belong to Slaanesh? And some Humans souls as well?

So basically, when an Eldar dies of old age/killed they autmatically take a drive-thru straight to Slaanesh? I read somewhere Human souls are also claimed by Slaanesh but not sure, like where do human souls go to ? And where did Eldar souls go to before Slaanesh?

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2024/11/12
09:25 UTC

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A vision of the future is revealed to Abaddon

Codex supplement: Black Legion (6th edition)

Daemon Imperium

Abaddon strode into the vast alien chamber, crushing the bones of its long dead builders underfoot. From the gloom ahead, Zaraphiston appeared, beckoning his master forward.

‘Here, my Lord, under the bones.’ The sorcerer indicated part of the chamber, his face unreadable under his changeling mask. Wordlessly, Abaddon moved to where the sorcerer was pointing, making out the shape of a massive concave stone disc.

‘It is the Hollow Parallax, it will show you what I have foretold, the coming of the long night and the Daemon Imperium,’ the sorcerer continued. Focusing on the artefact, Zaraphiston incanted softly under his breath, Warp energy coiling around his hands as he awoke the Hollow Parallax from its millennia of slumber.

Abaddon watched impassively as the ancient alien device stirred to life, the dust of centuries shaken from its surface as visions of future days were reflected from its depths. Stepping closer, the Despoiler looked deep into the swirling cloud of images, a shimmering galaxy of stars taking form and rising up to surround him. It took a moment before Abaddon realized that it was his own galaxy that he looked upon, with the Eye of Terror pulsing like an open wound among the darkness. Suddenly, the vision shifted and, in a blur, swept in on a world covered in grand structures and ornate towers. Abaddon recognized Terra, though it had been ten thousand years since he walked upon its surface.

As he watched, the towers fell and the great palaces burned. Racing through the ruined cities, the vision came to rest in a gigantic, domed, subterranean chamber dominated by a great golden machine. Abaddon walked towards the machine, noting the twisted corpses of hundreds of Adeptus Custodes littering the ground with a sneer of contempt. Ascending the steps to the great machine, he could now see that its shell had been broken, and fragments of glass and metal were scattered around its base. Reaching the rent in the machine, Abaddon looked within and saw the Warp boiling naked before his eyes, Daemons clawing their way up from its kaleidoscopic depths.

Again the vision shifted, taking Abaddon back to the streets of Terra. All around him, Daemons feasted on the souls of men, and Humanity was reduced to eternal slavery and death. So close to the Golden Throne, Abaddon could sense that the Astronomicon had been extinguished and a million worlds had been plunged into eternal night. Across the galaxy, reality was crumbling, turning worlds into realms of madness and chaos.

Looking up from the carnage on the streets, Abaddon could see the Eye of Terror dominating the sky, a terrible red stain upon the stars that seemed to grow with every passing moment – it was now visible from every world in the Imperium. He knew then, without a doubt, that the age of Man had come to an end.

As quickly as it had come, the vision faded away, leaving Abaddon standing once more in the ancient alien ruins, Zaraphiston watching him in silence.

‘Will it come to pass?’ Abaddon growled, his dark eyes regarding the sorcerer intently.

‘It is but one possible future, my Lord, but every day the fates favour it more.’ Zaraphiston replied.

‘Fate is made by men.’ Abaddon said coldly, before turning and walking away into the darkness.

My Thoughts: Abaddon wants to be Emperor and take back the empire he fought to create over 10.000 years ago. But the way he achieves his victory matters. He means to win the Long War for himself and his legion, not for the Chaos Gods. Mortal power is what defines him, and he will wield it like a crown because he knows that only a man can rule humanity.

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2024/11/12
09:08 UTC

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Are there any war cries/common phrases for the other Chaos gods?

Something along the lines of "blood for the blood god" or "nurgle is love, nurgle is life" (though I don't know if that's canon) for Tzeentch or Slaanesh

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2024/11/12
08:24 UTC

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If I paint myself green and do some krumpin, can I join the Orks?

Assume I was born a bloody hummie, but I know green is the way to be

7 Comments
2024/11/12
08:09 UTC

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Do you know of any of those rare ships of the Space Marine chapter (or IoM faction) with unconfirmed models?

Excluding the ships provided by the game and rule books, there are already specific types of ships. There are also some ships in 40K lore that specific authors mentioned when writing stories, such as the ancient battleship Nicor ​​owned by the Carcharodons or the ancient assault carrier Daedelos Krata of the Minotaurs.

Are there any ships that are particularly impressive to you?

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2024/11/12
08:08 UTC

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Can psykers of high level just grad someone heart with no problem?

And if they can why during heresy psykers didn’t used this trick to kill primarichs ?

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2024/11/12
07:42 UTC

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Warp tried to corrupt every primarch except Dorn?

Why? Is it because he fortified his mind to such a level or because he has some genes that help with that?

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2024/11/12
07:34 UTC

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Does a primarch know all his legionaries' names?

With primarchs' better-than-good memory and a finite number of legionaries before the heresy started, it is possible that a primarch knows the name of all his gene-sons.

edit: please give me any examples. For Research and the Glory of Humanity

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2024/11/12
06:45 UTC

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If the Emperor is a Perpetual, as he passed if off to Vulkan, why is he still a corpse? Ignoring the passage of time.

From what I understand, a Perpetual will always regenerate. Vulkan was given this from his Father, thus he will never die. But if Vulkan got it from Big E...Big E must be one too, or so least I understand.

If Perpetuals are Eternal...and Big E is one...why is his return not inevitable? Why all the sacrifice? Why the belief he's dead? Surely he'd come back - eventually -right? Even if it took tens of thousands of years?

I'm not trying to be a nitpicker, I truly would love to know, especially if I missed something that makes me an idiot for questioning.
Edit: I'm sad I got a negative. I just wanted to know. I'm sorry if I offended.

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2024/11/12
06:43 UTC

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Vhane Glorious Webcomic - Where to find?

Anyone know where I can find an archive for the old Vhane Glorious web comics?

There's a lot of "Sorry that page does not exist" when I try to find them now.

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2024/11/12
06:34 UTC

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Nurgle Plague Creation Process

This might seem like a silly question but most if not all depictions of the death guard or nurgle demons involves them mixing stuff in a cauldron, pouring it into blight grenades, or infusing it onto weapons then trying those weapons out on their foes but is there any use of the scientific method at all in this process? Measuring ingredients, writing results down, making improvements in the Plauge creation process. Or is it all just throwing stuff into a pot and see what happens? If there is some “scientificness” involved are there any notable examples?

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2024/11/12
06:30 UTC

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Power scaling absolutely garbled?

Okay I AM so so very confused~ look I new GWs lore for Warhammer was already a bit... All over the place, but the power scaling?! I'm just absolutely confused about all of it.

Like here's one example, space marines right. Big tuff Bois genetically modified and have cocktails in there balls. Then we have Kaserkin (I don't know too much about em) but from what I know is that here flack lil infantry troopers with specialist. But there still human, so this is where a power scaling question comes in.

In the table top of Warhammer kill team you're telling me 10 human infantry guardsmen... CAN TAKE OUT AN ENTIRE TEAM OF PHOBOS SPACE MARINES?!

Like wha?! Something ain't adding up~ like I see sooooo many people grabbing there ball sacks and always talking how "Oh space marines are on a completely different level dum dum pooy face" Then explain that! I guess Karken not.

And another thing, DARKTIED- Four krack heads Killing HORDS of Ogryns, specialists, pleauge Ogryns, beasts of nurgle, and PLENTY of other nurgle forces! Like Hun?! Did khorn bless these MFS like he did to the one space marine in bolt gun?!

And for the record an Orgyn is physicaly STRONGER than a space marine and BIGGER, so when I. Running around darktied and see an Orgyn bud and realize a space marine ain't even that big makes me wonder~ like sure and Ogryns may be outwitted, but with three other krack head specialist....I don't think that's going to be a problem.

I'm just super confused and I can't stop thinking about it.;-;

Can anyone like tell me or give me even a. Explanation?

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2024/11/12
06:09 UTC

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Who gets your soul the chaos god you lean towards doesn’t kill you?

Let’s say that you have always been a sick person like you were born with near zero immune system functionality. But it’s not like Nurgle has you as the lynchpin of an upcoming war or cult or anything you are just badly unlucky.

But then a Slaanesh Cult pops up on world and the cult decides they need to experience the taste of a sick person (you). Which Chaos god would get your soul, Nurgle, the one you “lean towards most” or Slaanesh, the one who killed you?

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2024/11/12
06:08 UTC

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Looking if I can post stories here soon or is there a specific site like wattpad but for more grimdark and fantasy stuff aha?

Hey to all been a brother now since April of this year and well and truly felt like I’ve been a fan way way much longer with how much of a rabbit hole I fell down, already a very amateur writer but was gonna be doing the battle honours task but decided to write way more than just that for the future but was wondering where I can post it?

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2024/11/12
05:51 UTC

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How many of the old hundred survived unification?

Just wondering if there is an indication as to how many survived? I know of the explicitly mentioned horus heresy ones such as 1-5 chilliad, but is there a figure like 20 of them? 10? Cheers

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2024/11/12
05:44 UTC

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Is there ever any mention of human societies that aren't a part of the Imperium?

Another way to approach this question would be to answer "has the entire galaxy been explored/mapped out by the IoM." I saw a similar question asking about whether it was possible for worlds to secede peacefully from the Imperium (short answer: no) but what if they just aren't a part of the Imperium at all? Like maybe during the time of the Great Crusade, some sectors were either overlooked (I mean, the galaxy is a big place) and/or blocked off by warp storms (similar to those that had caused the age of strife) and the human civilizations in those areas were just... forgotten about?

(Yes, this sounds a lot like the Squats/Leagues of Votann. Anybody else?)

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2024/11/12
05:32 UTC

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What kind of fighting styles / martial arts do Space Marines learn?

Any info and/or references in regards to this?

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2024/11/12
05:23 UTC

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Have there been imposter space marines, custodians, etc?

To preface this is not a “ackchually female custodian bad not lore” post.

I was watching the second installment of the tithes series, in the scene where the custodian basically pops out of the woods to meet the sororitas minders who were likely only expecting a sister of silence.

On any planet not occupied by space marines or sororitas, I wonder how difficult it would be to impersonate a space marine or custodian. These are mythical beings that very few have actually seen. It we be pretty amusing to read a story about somebody cosplaying a custodian, cardboard costume and all, only to be brained by a real one. Doubtless this would happen somewhere in the imperium, even with lesser entities like the guard.

I don’t recall any written lore about this, anyone have excerpts?

30 Comments
2024/11/12
05:10 UTC

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Silly question: Does water have any adverse effects on Necrons?

Even if they have no electronics, would the Necrodermis rust?

!I’m writing a battle scene involving Necrons in the rain and I need to know if this is a relevant factor!<

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2024/11/12
05:06 UTC

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Hawk Lords chimeric geneseed

I got thinking about the Hawk Lords recently. They're listed as being an Ultramarines successor, but their emblem resembles the Raven Guard. Is it possible that they might have a chimeric geneseed consisting both Ultramarines and Raven Guard?

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2024/11/12
05:02 UTC

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Are there canon chapters that operate without chaplains (or similar role)?

In a similar way to how Black Templars don't have librarians and Space Wolves don't have apothecaries I'm curious if there's any chapters that don't have chaplains in the traditional sense

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2024/11/12
04:50 UTC

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Looking for ship suggestions for a Rogue Trader supporting a Kill Team

I am running a Deathwatch RPG game, and due to events the group is soon going to find themselves having to redeploy and operate for a while without the normal support from a Battlefleet or Astartes ship. I have a captain from a friendly Rogue Trader house that will be filling in, and I envisioned them and their ship having a background in smuggling. This cargo will just be unusual, even for that trade.

What I'm not sure about sort of ship and support craft would be appropriate for this allied character to have and be able to fulfill the role. That's where you all come in.

What I'm imagining are modified cargo pods airdropped to replace true Drop Pods, a small stealthy craft of some sort for getting the Kill Team in and out of sticky situations, a larger cargo lander able to recover them with objectives, materiel or personnel, when the mission is retrieval, and some sort of suitably small but nasty voidship. Possibly a captured and repurposed Raider?

What suggestions do you have? Anything I didn't think to cover?

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2024/11/12
02:44 UTC

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How to find an author's distinct writing style and how to avoid others.

Hey guys, I'm new to the glorious 40k universe and I've never been so immersed in lore before. Not only am I new to 40k, but I'm also new to reading novels. I'm more of a movie guy, and now in my mid-30s, I feel like I have the capability and comprehension to consume large quantities of words, as opposed to just visually enjoying my source of entertainment. Lol.

Every author has a distinct style of writing. From the books I've finished, it slowly occurred to me that there is a certain way a writer can tell a story that I can personally enjoy. It's just my preference, of course, but what I can't tell is whether it's the author or the story itself. Some books are a bit more difficult to get into, and maybe that's just the grimdark fantasy style I'm not used to yet.

So, I'm wondering if it's the author or the story itself. Here are some examples:

  • Eisenhorn TrilogyDan Abnett is definitely a favorite. Loved it. Easy read. Gaunt's Ghosts was great too, so I know his writing is my jam (stories were obviously awesome as well).
  • The Wicked and the Damned horror anthology was great; loved it. When I got to The Faith and the Flesh (short story) by David Annandale, it was immediately my favorite among the three.

Given that, I moved on to The House of Night and Chain also by David Annandale, and then it went south fast. I guess it was the story itself? But it felt like a drag. The majority of the book was literally just going back and forth with no real conclusion or results until the end, of course.

After that, I finished Awakenings by George Mann — really enjoyed it too. It was in the same boat as Abnett's writing, in my opinion.

The last book I've recently finished was The Void King by Marc Collins. This one was rough. It took me much longer to finish, and it was an effort at times to power through. The writing felt a bit too wordy and unnecessarily complicated, but again, that's his style, and some people enjoy that. It just wasn’t for me. Maybe I was expecting a Rogue Trader-ish story like the video game, but, well... the story definitely wasn’t that. Lol.

Now, I’m reading Ciaphas Cain: Hero of the Imperium by Sandy Mitchell. I'm only 10 pages into the first chapter, and I'm already laughing my ass off. It's so good, easy to digest, relatable, and very human. It's a cozy read, if that makes sense, within the 40k universe.

I'd like to know your opinions on how you pick your novels. Do you prioritize the writers first, or does it not matter if it’s your favorite faction? Am I just really new to novels and 40k? Maybe that’s why I’m still hit-and-miss with some of my choices? Thanks!

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2024/11/12
02:17 UTC

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What is considered "large but reasonable" for a Chaos warband?

Hello friends! I'm working on lore for my CSM army, and I've been painting and thinking about writing stories for them. By the end, I plan on their warband being fairly large and successful. Their primary source of influence is their ability to create daemon engines.

I'm not looking to make something near the Black Legion's level. I'm not trying to make anything that would shake the established power players of the galaxy. I've read a good number of Chaos books from 30k and 40k.

What kind of ships would be considered reasonable to have? I'm terrible at remembering which classes of ship are which. I know some warlords control entire planets or even small systems, but I don't want to cross into overpowered or over-equipped territory. Any help would be great!

Edit: Grammar

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2024/11/12
02:00 UTC

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Emperor theory

Here's a thought, the Big E is essentially an amalgamation of the souls of several hundred ancient shaman. So let's say the Big E is all of the good treats of those shaman, and all of the bad treats formed Tzeentch. Think about it, it would explain a lot like how magnus was so easily corrupted. Maybe the ultimate end game of Tzeentch is to combine or merge with the Emperor, the would also set up a very interesting plot about the dark emperor, and why Tzeentch has never revealed himself nor accounts of his appearance exist. This could also explain why the Emperor is still in raisin mode on the golden throne, because until Tzeentch is brought under control, the Emperor essentially acting as a mummified cork holding the warp back. The Emperor is vulnerable to being consumed by Tzeentch, leading to an entity with limitless power. My ttheory for this came about due to how Tzeentch is so vague in the lore, and the enperor nearly turned into a chaos god if it wasn't for the direct inintervention of his old friend Ollanius Persson. I feel like if this had happened it would have allowed this merger to take place, causing the two entities to have an internal struggle for power.

Just wondering what everyone else's thoughts are on this?

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2024/11/12
01:42 UTC

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How long into servitorization until someone’s unrecoverable?

I’m writing a concept for one of my Rogue Trader games where a PC was condemned to be turned into a servitor for his crimes only to get rescued in the early stages literally on the techpreists operating table.

What’s the point where someone would be too messed up to be recovered as they’re turned into a servtitor?

Thanks.

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2024/11/12
01:06 UTC

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Is there a follow up to the book 'Blades of Damocles' ?

I'm just about to finish it, have very much enjoyed the characters and plot and action around this book.

Is there a sequel, or other books related in the series? It sounds like a major plot point developing right after these events is the (first?) Tyranid invasion of the Macragge system, I'd also be interesting in reading books about that as well.

Thanks

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2024/11/12
01:03 UTC

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Inquisitorial funding

So, to my knowledge, this isn't anything ever really deliniated. We see certain instances of a given inquisitor taking possession of a ship/factory/etc bc its prior owner was found to be a heretic, and we have instances of newly-elevated inquisitors being gifted various resources by their old masters, but no sense of where inquisitors individually or the Ordos as a whole get funds. We can assume that they have Imperial funding, either in the form of worlds left to them via the machinations of Inquisitor Lords of millenia past or of a yearly budget from the Adeptus Terra or maybe both. Since this hasn't been fleshed out, do any of you have any well-thought out headcanon in this arena? I'm having a hard time coming up with how an inquisitor or the Ordos as a whole can generate revenue in excess of their massive expenditures.

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2024/11/12
01:00 UTC

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Theory: Men of Gold were proto-Custodes. Men of Stone were original leagues of Votann. Men of Iron were Ironkin.

There's a tidbit of lore going all the way back to 3rd Edition, as far as I can tell, that goes something like this: In the DAOT, there were a group of people called the "Men of Gold" who created another group called the "Men of Stone" to explore the Galaxy. The "Men of Stone" also went ahead and created a group called the "Men of Iron."

Now, we know that the Custodes are created based on DAOT tech. So some version of the Custodes must have existed back then. The Custodes also really love golden aurmite armor. Granted that's in the modern setting but if aurumite is the best material available, it's likely that they would have used that in the DAOT as well. It makes sense to put your genetically engineered super people in the best materials you have, whether that in 20k or 40k.

The Leagues of Votann have been in the galactic core doing mining operations for the past 20k years. They were originally genetically engineered to be tougher, as hard as stone, to survive these harsh conditions. They also live alongside the Ironkin, their robotic companions and helpers.

So the theory goes like this: Custodes existed as far back as the early DAOT. They genetically engineered humans to better survive the rigors of space travel, especially in the galactic core. These became the early Leagues of Votann. Along with the Votann/STCs, they spread out in the harshest environments in the galaxy. They, or the Votann themselves, also created Ironkin to help with the task. The technology of the Ironkin spread throughout all human civilization and they eventually rebelled, kicking off the Age of Strife as we know it. This did not happen in the Galactic Core, possibly because the Ironkin there were treated better, possibly because they were so cut off and isolated that whatever caused the Ironkin to go out of control elsewhere never reached them.

If you subscribe to the theory that the Men of Iron rebelled because they saw Chaos coming, then that would also fit as they would have no need to rebel against the dim-souled, Chaos resistant Kin

Has this theory been suggested before? Probably.

Is there strong evidence for it? Not really.

Is it cool? I think so.

Edit: Two important things from the discussion have come up.

  1. The Custodes being based on technology from the DAOT is referenced in the 9th Edition Custodes Codex.
  2. This White Dwarf excerpt all but confirms directly that the Men of Gold were the Votann themselves. So the Kin, made by the Votann are almost certainly the Men of Stone. This makes is extremely likely that the Ironkin are the Men of Iron, or closely related to them. This means my idea about the Custodes being Men of Gold is wrong but 2 outta 3 ain't bad.
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2024/11/12
00:45 UTC

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Does the Emperor of Mankind have the ability to be reborn?

Still new to the lore but from what I've read so far it seems to be a rare ability. I understand that Malcador, the Sigillite and the mother of the Primarchs are permanently dead. Have any of the books/canons mention this info?

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2024/11/12
00:39 UTC

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