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I didn't like the finale, or much of the whole season of the final season of The Flash, and while I'd prefer post a fix for the whole season, for right now, only the finale to the season as is, is what I'm presenting for now. Here are the ideas that, if He wills, God has blessed me with for this:

Barry, back in the present day, realizes he has to get to Iris and superspeeds to her, as her contractions get more frequent. He reaches her, and she tearfully grateful to see him, them hugging and kissing. The doctors tell her that it's almost time for her to give birth. Iris asks Barry if he'll be there with her. He promises, but Barry's confidence in that promise wanes, concern showing on his face.

From that we cut to the negative speedforce construct of Barry's home, where Zoom, suffering from the effects of the time wraiths, appears. godspeed appearing soon after, in full costume, him having been pulled from his iron heights cell and his memory restored (Barry had it erased at the end of season 7). He's crazed, raging, demanding to know how he got here. Zoom dismisses him, seeing him as a pretender speedster, someone the Flash must've captured. Reverse Flash appears from the upstairs, explaining where they are and that Barry didn't put them here. Reverse Flash mocks godspeed, along with calling Zoom's scheme derivative. Zoom threatens Reverse Flash, while godspeed's fragile ego can't take being mocked, ranting, only for Savitar to appear, backhanding godspeed into the wall. Savitar (being a version of Barry) immediately recognizes Zoom and Reverse Flash and tries to kill them, a fight beginning to start (Reverse Flash rejects Savitar as a Barry Allen, stating that he's a shallow copy, Zoom finding an evil version of Barry amusing, stating that he knew Barry was just like him, which only enrages Savitar even more, stating that he's nothing like any of them), until Eddie emerges, telling them that he brought them there and that they all have one other thing in common, that they could never beat The Flash alone. Savitar has a shaken response to Eddie being alive. Eddie pitches his scheme, that he wants Barry gone, so that he can be the hero that he should've been, not forgotten like he was. Reverse Flash belittles Eddie. Eddie shows what power he has. Reverse Flash remains unimpressed. Eddie asks if they're willing to destroy the Flash once and for all.

Eddie's connection to the negative speedforce is causing a negative speedforce singularity, creating red lighting clouds that are crackling and striking lighting everywhere, it threatening to tear apart the city like a twister of lightning.

Joe asks Cecile to marry him in the first half of the episode, because he's afraid something may happen. Cecile decides that she doesn't have to choose between heroism and her family, deciding that heroes are needed everywhere, opting to live her life and leave central city to live with Joe and their daughter, remarking that her other daughter lives there as well. Joe jokingly asks that she has another daughter and she laughs and slaps him on the arm.

Kione speaks to Barry about balance and nature or whatever and they conclude that the speedforce is connected to the physical plain by Barry, like the negative speedforce was by Thawne, realizing that the negative speedforce is energy, it's not a being, it doesn't have a consciousness as it's purpose is only to be an opposite polarity to the positive speedforce, so every dark trait of the negative speedforce is a magnification of the darkness of the avatars for it, like an echo chamber, and Eobard was the first person to develop the energy bridge to it and use it. Kione releases her energy to give Barry a way to enter the negative speedforce (revealing her energy to be that of a life force), and Caitlin is restored to herself, just in time for the completion of the finale.

Chillblaine gives Caitlin his freeze gauntlets as a way for himself to let go and for and to give Caitlin a connection to Frost in using ice tech.

Wally is initially pitted against Savitar but fears his anger and trauma at facing Savitar because he's a version of Barry and because of what Savitar did to him, so Nora takes him on instead at first and Wally fights Zoom (as a reference to Hunter Zolomon being Wally comic enemy). Wally and Nora's fights criss-cross with eachother. Savitar doesn't know who Nora is, but feels a familiarity with her. Savitar is going stab her when he has a realization, that she's his daughter and he's about to kill Nora, him seeing himself as Reverse Flash in that moment, this shaking him, which Wally sees as he's going against Zoom.

godspeed and his speedforce clones are used as fodder for Cecile, Allegra and Chester, Chester's dimension powers activating and that helping to stop him, with Bart arriving to bring the final blow.

Wally (in a culmination of him seeking a sense of peace by reconciling his anger and resentment with Barry, and Savitar, by convincing him to do what's right) convinces Savitar that he can do what's right and let his pain and anger go when he sees Barry's daughter as a representation of the bright future he thought was impossible, and, when Zoom tries to kill Nora, Savitar betrays the villains and helps Caitlin (her using chillblaine's freezing gauntlets) to stop Zoom. Jay Garrick arriving, saying he's sorry he's late and snatching up Zoom, locking him up in a cell, telling him that now the shoe is on the other foot.

Cisco shows up and protects Iris from Reverse Flash when he goes to kill Iris before she gives birth.

Cisco boasts that he's paid for a year supply of diapers for Iris and Barry's child. Iris gives birth to twins. Barry says to Cisco, "we're gonna need more diapers". He and Iris hold their daughter and son. Nora Francine Dawn Allen and Joseph Henry Donald Allen. It's Nora and Bart. Iris named them without thinking, her and Barry realizing in a confused state that it doesn't make sense. Bart tells them that "Bart" is actually a nickname. Holding his children, and seeing that Savitar has changed, leads Barry to realize what he has to do.

Barry faces Eddie, using the energy connection Kione gave him to reach into the negative speedforce and transport himself there. Barry tells Eddie what his team has been doing, trying to kill their friends Iris, their daughter, as Eddie refuses to believe it, stating that he controls them through the negative speedforce. Barry tells him that the speedforce is an extension of Reverse Flash's own darkness and he's letting it make Eddie into him.

This enrages Eddie, who attacks Barry, as he proclaims that he's not a villain, that he's always been the hero, that Barry took away everything, reversed his life, dragged him into hell. Barry uses every ounce of his speed to deflect Eddie's attacks, as Eddie throws everything at him, the negative speedforce manifesting Barry's childhood home around them, with his dead parents on the floor, their fight tearing up the house as Flash and Reverse Flash's did, Eddie's eyes glowing red, as he yells at Barry to fight back. Barry tells him no, that Eddie is a hero, that he knows that and he won't hurt him, because it's not Eddie's fault. Eddie's power wanes as does Barry's, them left exhausted.

Eddie tells Barry that it should've been him, that Barry should've been the one who died. Barry tells Eddie that if he wants his life he'll have to kill him, but he knows he won't because he knows deep down he's still the hero that gave his life to protect people. Eddie uses his superspeed in a final gasp and grabs Barry by the throat, vibrating his hand to bring into Barry's chest, but hesitating, his mind torn apart by his confusion of his own thoughts and the echoing thoughts of the negative speedforce which are sounding more and more like Thawne's, him being unable to tell the difference. Barry tells him that there's no such thing as coincidence, that they're here by God's design and he can choose to do the right thing. Eddie yells out in pain and agony, trapped in mental torment. Barry says that he can help Eddie, then pulling out his trump card, grabbing Eddie's hand and absorbing the negative speedforce from Eddie, giving him his own speedforce in the process, their speedforces crackling together, red and yellow intermingling in eachother's eyes.

This breaks the negative speedforce's hold on Eddie. As this happens, Reverse Flash realizes it and does everything he can to stop Barry, because Barry doing this detaches RF from the negative speedforce for good, his connection to it totally destroyed, as Eddie, the hold of the negative speedforce over him broken, takes control of it and makes it submit to his will, realizing in horror that Barry's absorption of the negative speedforce is killing him. Eddie realizes that he knew this would happen, distraught, saying that he has a wife and kids, asking him why he would give his life like that. Barry says he told him, because Eddie's a hero and he doesn't want that to be lost.

The negative speedforce singularity storm is still raging around the city. Barry tells him the only way to stop it is from inside, and only someone with the negative speedforce and it'll kill them. Eddie begins to do it, as it's his fault and it may ensure the negative speedforce energy doesn't consume Barry too. But Barry stops Eddie, incapacitates him, and tells him that he's given enough. Barry runs into the negative speedforce singularity and superspeeds around the inside and the energy release from his seeming death within the eye of that singularity closes it, as a parallel to both the Pilot and season 1 finale. We see the lightning that Barry's energy of his body turned into flash throughout the speedforce.

Zoom and godspeed disintegrate in connection to this. But Savitar isn't. He questions why this is the case.

Eddie brings Iris the news, her being devastated, as everyone else mourns as well.

Savitar, seeing this, with contemplation, calls upon to Spectre Oliver to do to him what the negative forces did with Eobard, so this world can have the Flash, the children can have their dad, Iris her husband and the others their friend, to replace his energy with Barry's. He relinquishes the identity of the false god, confesses that he knows he's not a god and never was, that Spectre isn't one, that Spectre is a servant of God in the world, acknowledging it as God's will that he's still alive, for this purpose. It happens, his energy is replaced (but not in pain and agony like Eobard but in his repentance and acceptance of God's will for him), with Barry's, Barry manifesting in a crackle of lightning energy, alive.

Barry, having returned, is welcomed home to a party with Iris, baby Nora & Bart, Cisco, Caitlin, Adult Nora & Bart, Joe, Cecile, Wells, Jay and his wife Joan, and Wally (maybe Jesse and Harry as well?) as Barry makes his peace with Eddie and even visits Thawne in normal human prison, thanking him for ensuring he got his powers in this timeline, as it helped him become a hero, as Cisco and Caitlin do the same, leaving a full of rage totally normal human Thawne alone with himself. Maybe Eddie has something to say as well?

End the series on Barry giving the impossible speech to his babies as we flashback to what happened when Barry was turned into the lightning and we see the lightning strike Barry for the first time. (maybe we still see Barry release lightning to strike others) And maybe end on his children's eyes flashing lightning?

Please review and tell me what you think!

for example, im now watching an episode with shadow demons, and that earth reset, with the anti monitor? im just thrown into this, no context. there were multiple episodes like this

Hello, I am currently writing a Teen Titans/The Titans/Young Justice television saga and one character I will be using is Jason Todd. I will show him being an early-days Robin through to him joining the titans full time and then eventually his death and resurrection into Red Hood.

However, I am trying to decide on the general timeframe of when Jason dies in relation to his resurrection and Under the Red Hood arc. My first plan is to have Jason become Red Hood in The Titans so, dying in S5 or maybe even early S6 ready for the final season (S6) where he is the main villain.

The other option is that I have Jason die at some point in the latter half of The Titans and then throughout Young Justice he is used as a cautionary tale only to later come back as the big bad of that entire show.

Which option do you think would be better: Jason dying and being resurrected the next season attacking his once friends while they are still grieving or Jason dying and then being this symbol to the new generation only to come back as the living embodiment of everything the YJ team will represent.

Either way Jason will represent the more nihilistic answer to the question this saga will present, being “Should the teenagers be allowed to be heroes/sidekicks” whereas Nightwing represents the more hopeful answer. The only decision i need to make is do i want the Nightwing/Red Hood conflict be the catalyst for the major status quo change i’m planning to end Titans with and setup for Young Justice (the change will be regarding the way teenagers are brought into the hero life i.e. Nightwing will form Titans Academy which will basically act as an Xavier’s School type environment for the YJ show) or do i want Red Hood to be this overarching villain that the new generation have to defeat to prove that Nightwings method works.

I have my preference, what do you prefer? Yes, S4E1 I could not fit. Reddit only allows 6 choices

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This is what Heroes Join Forces should have been, Sara was already brought back to life by this point and Team Arrow saved Ray so they had both of them and Jax had already become Firestorm a few episodes earlier so when they needed backup the fight Savage they should have called in their friends to help fight him, Cisco probably already had the White Canary suit ready by this point at the request of Laurel and Jax most could get his in the crossover but in all the promotional material he didn't have it yet so I left it that way and it probably would have been much better, it should've been all the heroes up to that point joining forces, most of the legends members should've met in this crossover mainly because most of them seem to already know each other somehow in the pilot of Legends

SPOILERS JUST INCASE FOR THOSE WHO HAVE YET TO WATCH.

Im on S2E9. So in the middle..ish..of season 2 we learn something happened 5 years prior. When I saw that they found slades son I was thinking they all killed him infront of slade, but the "traumatic thing" that happened wasnt as impactful as I was expecting. Later we see them all trying to get info from jerico and after that Robin mentions to Jason he killed slades son, now if this were true then I would understand why they mad at him. But turns out he didn't kill him. He may have gotten him killed, but he didn't kill him. Then Robin finally tells the team that jerico died saving robin...?? Why was this such a big secret? Shouldnt they be proud of jerico? Did they leave the first time cause he told them jerico was dead when he got there? Shouldn't they now be proud he died SAVING Robin? IM SO CONFUSED. Did my brain just miss a big reason in-between all this?

The only one I understand why they are mad at Robin is Jason.

If this gets answered later on then just say it does. If I missed something by this point and you happen to remember then let me know and thanks in advance.

Because I stopped watching the show after season two.

Please without spoilers what episodes are the crossovers? Should I watch these episodes in a certain order?

From what I can tell, they took both seasons and made it into a movie.

I'm trying to find where season 2 is supposed to start in the movie since I can't find the individual episodes anywhere. Here's why:

• Arrow Season 6 – Ep 8
• Freedom Fighters: The Ray Season 1 Episode 1- 6
• The Flash Season 4 – Ep 8
• Legends of Tomorrow Season 3 – Ep 8 – 18
• Supergirl Season 3 – Ep 9 – 23
• Freedom Fighters: The Ray Season 2 – Ep 1 – 6
• The Flash Season 4 – Ep 9 – 23

That's the middle of my ArrowVerse Viewing Order which also includes Vixen. I know it isn't really required viewing, but I'd like to have it in the mix since I have a copy.

So where do I hit pause?

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We've had enough time to think about it. What was your favorite Arrowverse show?

Superman and Lois is not an Arrowverse show. I only put shows that are done on here that had more than one season.

Make your choice.

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Like i know that they used Bart Allen for the show cause at that time Barry was dead in the comics and Wally West was also off limits but what if Barry could have appeared as a young CSI or maybe starting out as The Flash.