Inspired by this post on the HP sub reddit.

https://leagueofcomicgeeks.com/comic/4281061/more-fun-comics-73 - April 30, 2025 - First appearance of Oliver Queen/Green Arrow.

I basically skipped every comic made from 2012-2019 and I'm trying to learn more about current DC lore.

I've been reading the current GA run since issue 1. I'm a seasoned GA fan, if we're talking about 70s through 2000s Green Arrow. I'm pick and choosey with everything after the New 52 reboot began.

I was reading this relatively recent (as in, from 2021) encyclopedia called The DC Book. Skipped to the Green Arrow part and

Within a year of his debut, Green Arrow encounters runaway street-kid Roy Harper after the drug-dependent hacker pulls a brilliant cyber attack on Queen Industries.

????

Wha?

That just sounds wrong as someone who's read pre-Crisis and post-Crisis Green Arrow. So Ollie met Roy-- who was already addicted to drugs-- when he was a teen? And Roy is a hacker for some reason?

Okay...

So I read Green Arrow: The Rise of Star City, the fourth Rebirth trade.

I hate it. I hate the depiction of Roy, I hate the depiction of Ollie, I hate the depiction of their relationship. It's so pessimistic and OOC. Not as edgy as Arrow but still a weird take on Green Arrow. I liked the V2 comics with Ollie, Emiko, and Dinah but this just isn't doing it for me.

Is it even canon anymore? The writing in these comics clashes so much with the characters in the current run, as well as the 80th anniversary anthology.

I’m new to comics and heard that Green Arrow is pretty much Brennan Lee Mulligan if he had a quiver of boxing gloves arrows so obviously I came running. Anyways I’m hoping that I can jump into the new stuff since I just don’t have the time and resources to get read everything, just enough so that I get a good glimpse at how the character is supposed to be portrayed without being left out of the loop on everything else. I’ve been collecting all the new Nightwing volumes, so is it a good idea to jump into GA’s current run?

I recently read Detective Comics #1077. There was a wonderful side story about the relationship between Lian and Jade that I loved. Jade being told off by her daughter for her toxic tendencies of pushing everyone away and Jade's inner monologue about her fears that being a mother would make her weak.

I do think it's weird that all this goes down in Gotham instead of Star City. Like they're stapled onto the bat universe as side characters. But regardless, I think I love this version of their relationship.

Also, I feel like Cheshire is slowly becoming closer and closer to being an anti-hero or at least an anti-villain. I'm not sure if this is a downgrade or upgrade because damn, Cheshire as a full blooded villain used to be a beast but I guess the Arrow Fam was okay enough with her to let her onto the Island?

I just find that confusing because she's literally the second deadliest assassin in the world who has committed crimes against humanity.

Thoughts?

Just wondering if anyone has a good place to get notifications or get updates on what’s currently getting released. I totally missed worlds finest run luckily I manage to find a copy but was wondering if there’s a place where I can get notifications for each release! Thank you!

Ol reliable Google gets confusing and sometimes I miss a release.

Dinah learned of Ollie cheating with Joanna Pierce. But, as far as I know, Ollie never knew of Dinah sleeping with her eighteen year old protege The Ray (when Ollie was dead, btw). She was... in her thirties, I want to say? Dinah's age is very hard to tell. She was at the very youngest in her late twenties and in a mentor role to Ray.

As far as we can tell, DC has thankfully retconned this to hell and back. The last time Ray and Dinah interacted in one of the Pride issues, there was no sign that that ever happened.

I've seen some fans say Ollie would dump Dinah if he knew. Even if Ray was over the Age of Consent, it's sketchy behavior. Ollie gave Hawkman a berating for dating a teen ten years his junior.

I don't know if I'd go that far, but it'd be some interesting drama. Ollie is particularly protective of children and young adults.

I don't think Roy ever told Oliver about that one time Dinah accused Ollie of grooming and statutory raping Mia. I'm pretty sure Ollie would dump her for that.

Judd Winick's run is the last batch from the old runs I have in pieces but not complete. I don't know where to look for rumors or release schedules...Google seems less reliable every day. Are there any rumors/news on this run getting an omnibus, or maybe just a re-release of the trades? I'd love to read the whole thing, but I'd also love to not hunt down the parts I'm missing.

Thanks in advance, if anyone knows anything!

So I wanted to say that I am absolutely loving the new direction Chris Condon is taking Green Arrow.

I have to be honest and say that I was not a fan of Joshua Williamson’s take on the title and found myself reluctantly picking up the comic each month because I just wasn’t enjoying what I was reading. In my opinion (which I’m sure others will disagree with - and that’s fine) GA isn’t meant to be cosmic hero.

He, or at least the modern version of the character since O’Neil/Grell took their turn with him, is supposed to be a down to earth character fighting for justice - and on occasion he gets tied up in the more cosmic storyline with the other out of this world heroes. But for the most part he shuns that life and stays at home being a justice warrior.

The way Williamson was writing this title, there was nothing really Ollie for me. It was visually him on the page, but you could have really inserted any number of different characters into the storyline and the story would have still played out the same. I was frankly getting bored and only kept buying because I heard rumors Williamson was leaving the title and it would be turned over to someone new.

Starting with issue # 18 of the current title, Chris Condon has done a complete 180 from where Williamson was. Ollie has returned to his Grell based roots (while still maintaining ties to the JLA world). This initial story line has been great and although I was not at all familiar with Condon’s work prior to this, he’s definitely picked up a new fan in me.

I encourage anyone who might have dropped the title to give it a chance starting with Issue 18 - I really think you’ll enjoy the feel of the book (and the artwork by Montos doesn’t hurt)

I personally feel he was really out of character, what does everyone else think?

Alright gang,

Day after release, anyone read it? How was it ?

What did you like? What didnt you like ?

The Grant Gym becomes a gym again as Dinah and Ted begin training the people living there for the danger around the corner. However, the DEO and The Speedy's are too preparing for what's to come.

https://archiveofourown.org/works/59896102/chapters/156371188#workskin

i hate the weird inconsistencies oliver has had in his writings across the years.

the always constant cheating allegations seem so bizarre as the most known instance was oliver being written out of character (and he hasn't since 2003 mind you 😭)

the writer at that time judd winnick defended this as he wanted to write oliver as more 'human' but i and many others would argue there's much better ways to chracterize him as making mistakes than making him act out of character.

even up to this point his other instances of cheating range from a "eh maybe" to literally ollie getting raped. in the 80s a college girl kissed him and he kissed back with dinah does break up with him over, but i'd say that ehh maybe, as he didn't even try to kiss her. the other instance which i talked about extensively of shado, which fucked up as is is made more fucked up when it's time and time again spoken about as if it was cheating which it definitely wasn't and was very clearly rape.

the cheating allegations for ollie always seem bizarre when it's something to be shown he doesn't commonly do. and in fact he is a horndog, no denying that but the most you get is oliver being a playboy in his pre-green arrow days which is definitely not cheating lmao. regardless black canary stans can cry crocodile tears, oliver is not some serial cheater, 1 woman forced herself onto him, the other arguably forced herself onto him. and he only cheated once (22 years ago mind you, and has been retconned into the dirt, and even later forgiven!)

all in all condemning him for being written out of character 22 years ago, seems silly and unfair, especially as it was forgiven later as this was before they were married. (Prometheus is still the cause of them getting divorced that fucking bitch.) and also makes minimal sense when this was a clear one time thing.

either way calling him a serial cheater is factually incorrect. and it's entirely irrelevant as this has been retconned since 2011, and as of now him and canary are in a perfectly healthy long distance relationship.

This issue comes out tomorrow!

Just a couple panels that caught my eye on the last issue of our boy. Thought y’all might enjoy as well if you hadn’t seen them already.

Just thinking back to batman beyond how most of the batfamily either get horribly traumatized, injured, or retire for other reasons (Poor Tim)

What do you think happens to the Arrow Family in that universe? Who retires? Who takes up the mantle? And where is Ollie?

A consistent topic online for the Green Arrow is how the show Arrow was not the most accurate GA adaptation.

That's true.

I enjoyed the show, so I don't understand why people feel the need to rag on it.

But what hit me more is, what would be?

The Green Arrow has a long history. But unlike other superheroes, he's had breaks and been in very different comic runs.

There's older comics where a driving idea was that he was like a modern Robin Hood/Batman (of the day) knockoff. But I don't think many are clamoring for an adaptation of this era with the arrow car, an arrow light in the sky, and the bad guy Bull's Eye. (Why some people will probably think they were ripping off Daredevil).

You could go a bit more modern. After he meets a new love in Black Canary and becomes a liberal crusader.

Then there's the grounded Grell version that DC moved on from very quickly.

But after that. Between all the comics craziness then him first being younger, clean shaven, and more, for lack of a word marketable in the new 52, only to have something of a reemboot half way through. Then to be reverted to an older and mustached character, and now back again.

It feels like every two creators or so Ollie is a completely different person, with different circumstances, and interpretational connections.

So what would an honest read of the character be? Also given all those differences, why is Arrow so hated?

I ask this question because I have few ideas would make the city distinctive/unique. That being Star City should be capital of where billionaire tech bros test all their stupid ideas out on. A tech bro dystonia where Star city became a company town. Consider the city located in northern California I figured having this tech bro culture pop out. Which negatively impacting the lives of middle class and poor the most.