Does Rome recognize ordinations made by the Scandinavian church as valid?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVuSymGR_aM

Gospel According to Mark, 12:38–44 (ESV):

Beware of the Scribes

And in his teaching he said, “Beware of the scribes, who like to walk around in long robes and like greetings in the marketplaces and have the best seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at feasts, who devour widows’ houses and for a pretense make long prayers. They will receive the greater condemnation.”

The Widow’s Offering

And he sat down opposite the treasury and watched the people putting money into the offering box. Many rich people put in large sums. And a poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which make a penny. And he called his disciples to him and said to them, “Truly, I say to you, this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the offering box. For they all contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had, all she had to live on.”

Overview

Introduction: They devour widows’ houses

Point one: Thirteen trumpets

Point two: What did Jesus see?

Point three: What do you see?

Conclusion: A perfect offering

References

Gospel According to Mark, 12:34–37 (ESV):

And when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And after that no one dared to ask him any more questions.

Whose Son Is the Christ?

And as Jesus taught in the temple, he said, “How can the scribes say that the Christ is the son of David? David himself, in the Holy Spirit, declared, “‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand, until I put your enemies under your feet.”’ David himself calls him Lord. So how is he his son?” And the great throng heard him gladly.

Gospel According to Mark, 12:42 (ESV, Interlinear Bible):

And a poor widow came and put in two lepta, which make a kodrantes.

Book of Daniel, 3:19–25 (ESV):

Then Nebuchadnezzar was filled with fury, and the expression of his face was changed against Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. He ordered the furnace heated seven times more than it was usually heated. And he ordered some of the mighty men of his army to bind Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, and to cast them into the burning fiery furnace. Then these men were bound in their cloaks, their tunics, their hats, and their other garments, and they were thrown into the burning fiery furnace. Because the king’s order was urgent and the furnace overheated, the flame of the fire killed those men who took up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell bound into the burning fiery furnace.

Then King Nebuchadnezzar was astonished and rose up in haste. He declared to his counselors, “Did we not cast three men bound into the fire?” They answered and said to the king, “True, O king.” He answered and said, “But I see four men unbound, walking in the midst of the fire, and they are not hurt; and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods.”

Second Book of Samuel, 6:12–15 (ESV, thanks to user Double-Discussion964):

And it was told King David, “The LORD has blessed the household of Obed-edom and all that belongs to him, because of the ark of God.” So David went and brought up the ark of God from the house of Obed-edom to the city of David with rejoicing. And when those who bore the ark of the LORD had gone six steps, he sacrificed an ox and a fattened animal. And David danced before the LORD with all his might. And David was wearing a linen ephod. So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the LORD with shouting and with the sound of the horn.

Gospel According to Mark, 5:25–34 (ESV):

And there was a woman who had had a discharge of blood for twelve years, and who had suffered much under many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was no better but rather grew worse. She had heard the reports about Jesus and came up behind him in the crowd and touched his garment. For she said, “If I touch even his garments, I will be made well.” And immediately the flow of blood dried up, and she felt in her body that she was healed of her disease. And Jesus, perceiving in himself that power had gone out from him, immediately turned about in the crowd and said, “Who touched my garments?” And his disciples said to him, “You see the crowd pressing around you, and yet you say, ‘Who touched me?’” And he looked around to see who had done it. But the woman, knowing what had happened to her, came in fear and trembling and fell down before him and told him the whole truth. And he said to her, “Daughter, your faith has made you well; go in peace, and be healed of your disease.”

Gospel According to Luke, 18:9–14 (ESV):

The Pharisee and the Tax Collector

He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”

Gospel According to Mark, 10:17–18 (ESV):

The Rich Young Man

And as he was setting out on his journey, a man ran up and knelt before him and asked him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.

Gospel According to Matthew, 27:50–54 (ESV):

And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit.

And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split. The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many. When the centurion and those who were with him, keeping watch over Jesus, saw the earthquake and what took place, they were filled with awe and said, “Truly this was the Son of God!”

What is the main differences between them. We both believe Jesus is our lord and Savior and died on the cross for our sins. So what else really matters?

Hi everyone! So, I got confirmed on october 6. Everything was going great until a few days before my confirmation. I've started to have obsessives thoughts about why Jesus needed to die. I understand how God, being just, needs to punish sins and that, in his love for us, he sent Christ instead to pay for our sins. I'm just having a hard time reconciling the love of God for us and his wrath or desire to punish us/sins. It causes me a lot of internal struggles and doubt, especially during prayer or service. For information, i suffer from OCD, anxiety, etc. So i'm aware this is probably a big reason why I'm going through this. I would like to get your input and help on this. I feel unsincere in my faith, I have intrusive thoughts saying : why can't god just forgive us, or why does he require a savior to save us of a damnation he himself impose on us. It's an extremely difficult situation for me. I talked with my pastor about that, I've tried to not indulge in those thoughts and I feel like I'm drowning. At certain time, in prayer, i felt the genuiness of Christ sacrifice, the logic, love and necessity behind it all, but still i struggle with all of that.

P.S i'm with the Lutheran Church Canada. As such the substionary penal atonement is the main view on Christ Sacrifice

Thank you!

Thank you!

Hi, I'm a Christian trying to figure out what denomination to join. One thing I don't get about Protestantism is that it seems to me like Jesus founded a church. Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom of Heaven and the power to bind and loose. The Apostles had power to "make the rules" for lack of a better word as seen in Paul's letters. He clearly has authority over people as an Apostle. But in Protestantism there is no Pope who has the authority to declare doctrine. Why is that?

I’ve been recently interested in converting to Lutheranism, does anyone know where I can listen to some lectures/theology about Lutheranism? I want to learn more

I am working on a paper on the text mentioned above. Basically I want to hear your reflections, resonances, thoughts on it - no matter, if it is from a primary faith-perspective or secondary theological reflection. Anything goes. Thank you for sharing in advance!

Hello, I'm not familiar with Lutheranism. Could somebody give me an idea of a scale of different Lutheran branches in how liberal or conservative their theology is? How does the Missouri Synod fit in the scale?

Thanks!

I am a sinner and a habitual one if lust I hate it and I am worried that I’m doomed because of mortal sin. I have been baptized but I’m just worried about my faith and if I’m saved

Greetings,

If the bible is the infallible and inerrant word of God, why are there contradictions and inaccuracies (scientific, historical etc.)? Is it just infallible on theological matters?

If Jesus is also the word of God, then bible = Jesus?

Jesus is the Word of God, Not The Bible

Is the Bible the word of God? Or does it merely contain the world of God?

Jesus, not the Bible, is ‘the Word of God’ – Baptist News Global

Why do these sites claim it isn't the word of God?

I don't believe in 6 day creation. I don't know what to think about how Adam and Eve were created.

I believe in a universe of multiple galaxies of 13.6 billion years and a 4.5 billion years old earth.

Furthermore, I also don't believe in a lot of stuff from genesis (exodus, Hebrews in Egypt, superpower kingdom of Israel etc.) I believe all characters there have existed, but I don't believe these stuff historically 100% happened.

Sources:

Herzog 2001 Deconstructing The Walls Of Jericho Biblical Myth And Archaeological Reality Promethus V 4 Pp 72 93 ISSN 1464 3901 : Zeev Herzog : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Did the Red Sea Part? No Evidence, Archaeologists Say - The New York Times

I do believe all the stuff of NT happened literally. I believe Jesus is the God incarnate. Are my beliefs compatible with orthodox Christianity?

Lord Jesus, You are in fact as well as in name The Prince of Peace. In times of conflict, women and men call on Your name as a refuge; we seek shelter in the strong tower of Your mercy, especially in times of conflict between people. As people all over our country cast their votes for our future leadership, may You calm their hearts and strengthen their resolve for peace among all people. We thank You for the desire for peace in many hearts; and we ask that You bring together those who call on Your name in faith, charity, and in peace for humanity.

In the United States, today is Election Day, where we make our individual choices for who we wish to be our leaders. Those individual votes are then compiled, counted, and considered over the next few weeks. Of course, we're going to have no shortage of pundits and media outlets trying to "call" the election... but make no mistake: they are not authoritative sources.

They're just voices, trying to be loud and strident enough to garner our attention as a means of selling advertising time.

Guide us, Lord, to listen primarily to YOUR VOICE. You won't shout through the crowd: as in the Old Testament, You wait until after the earthquake and the storm to whisper Your Words to us. Even though we've cast our ballots (and some didn't even do that, whether out of despair or helplessness, or a lack of sense in their participation), we know that the outcome of this governmental expression is ultimately under Your control.

No matter who is "declared the winner", no matter who ends up being ratified in January, help us to peacefully, considerately, and with certainty exalt YOUR name in our lives today and through the rest of the political season.

Thanks be to the One who lives and reigns over all human expressions of power, God over All. Amen.

As a Lutheran I am wondering what I should believe about the saints. I know it would be unbiblical to pray saints, but is it wrong to ask them to pray for us? After all in revelation it says that the elders seated by God in the kingdom of Heaven hold the prayers of God’s people and in some translations it says the prayers of the saints. Also I ask is it ok to have icons and pictures as a Lutheran? Because I think the idea of a pray corner is nice but the 2nd commandment condemns graven images. Please let me know your thoughts on this.

Hey brothers in Christ, I'm Catholic Roman and I'm recently studyng about Lutheranism, I wanna know the lutheran vision (historically if possible) of The Mother of God, the Virgin Mary.

She's just like anyone else for you all? (honest question, I really apreciate learning more about other's visions theological)

Does the ELCA have private schools like the LCMS and WELS does? It seems like most of the Lutheran schools I see around me are LCMS with WELS sprinkled in. Is this standard?

I'm new to being a Christian, and I've been looking into denominations because I want a specific church to belong to. I've always felt a calling to Lutheranism because my family is, and from what I've read, I like the idea. I've always felt lost because I never grew up with religion, I knew of it, but I never went to church, I was never taught His holy word, and I still don't know what I'm doing. I try my best to honor God, but I feel like what I'm doing isn't enough. All my faith is in Jesus, but I feel as if I am not doing enough on my part, and I want to belong to a church. I need guidance and help, why do you choose Lutheranism, why does it work for you? Thank you, and may God bless you

Hello Finnish friends. Ordination of women to the priesthood in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Finland was allowed in 1986 and the first ordination was in 1988, as the last one of the Nordic churches. The timeline in the Church of Sweden is: 1958 - female ordination allowed. 1960 - first female ordination. 1991 - last bishop who oppose female ordination and refuse to ordain women retires (bishop Bertil Gärtner of Gothenburg). 1993 - all bishops proclaim that they will refuse to ordain anyone who is opposed to female ordination. 1994 - ordination of opponents to female ordination is officially forbidden. What would be the corresponding years in Finland? Specifically I'm curious what bishop was the last refusing to ordain women, and whether anyone who is opposed to it can still be ordained as of today? Tack - Kiitos.

Hi, I came across this live stream of an LCMS church and noticed that the service of the table occurred BEFORE the service of the word? Is it just me, or is this something that is never practiced in any Lutheran church? Anyone know what the reason for this might be?

https://www.youtube.com/live/wpG6KixhHNI?si=ok5-I34diVcwGgk4

I am Methodist, but that subredit seems pretty liberal to me so im seeking answers here insted

Hello, everyone. I thank our Lord Jesus Christ for allowing me to post here. At first, I didn’t want to share this, but I feel it’s important.

I am part of a church rooted in Lutheran beliefs here in Asia, but I recognize that we still lack many things compared to Lutheran churches in the West. Recently, I’ve been learning more about my faith, especially Lutheran beliefs, after watching a lot of Catholic TikTok videos(it shake my faith) . However, as I learned more, I noticed I started to feel prideful and judgmental, especially toward other denominations, like the Charismatic churches, which are common where I live. I realized this after an argument with a friend who said I seemed obsessed with my beliefs. He also said that people with my attitude often end up starting new churches. He mentioned this after I missed a church service today, which was a gathering of multiple Protestant churches (with some Charismatic characteristics). I didn’t attend, mostly because of my own laziness.

On top of that, I’ve been struggling with indulgence in lust. It’s something I’m ashamed of because, while I often offer Christian advice to friends, I’m still dealing with sin myself. It’s disappointing to feel this way, but it’s also so hard to stop.

Does anyone know where I can find Lutheran icons?

Came across with this very interesting digitized (and free) old book by Arthur Piepkorn during my studies. If you wish to learn about the history of Lutheran vestments you may want to read this work. It sheds light on Lutheran use of vestments throughout the world (including Hungary, Slovakia, Poland, North American colonies etc.)

https://web.archive.org/web/20051216143826/http://anglicanhistory.org/lutherania/piepkorn/

I myself learned about many fascinating facts and details: for example how in Denmark-Norway they purchased and imported chasubles from France or how similar the Slovakian Lutheran vestments were to Roman Catholics that it was pretty difficult to distinguish them from each other.

Have a blessed all souls' day!

I am trying to figure out what type of church I want to go to (what denomination). I have always been confused about Lutheranism and didn't even know if it was protestant or catholic. I have recently started learning about it and it is very interesting and they seem to abide by the bible (unlike a lot of other churches and denominations) which really appeals to me. The only thing that kind of turned me off is the idea that we don't have free will when it comes to spiritual matters. To me, this implies that we are predestined for heaven or hell. If that was true, then there would be no point in spreading the gospel, which we should obviously do. It is my understanding that God chooses who will be saved and that he ultimately chooses those who come to him (which would be with free will).

Can somebody explain this belief (bc I may be misunderstanding it) and potentially back it up with scripture?

Thank you!

URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo1Cp5KT04w

Revelation to John, 7:9–17 (ESV):

A Great Multitude from Every Nation

After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God forever and ever! Amen.”

Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?” I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. “Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any scorching heat. For the Lamb in the midst of the throne will be their shepherd, and he will guide them to springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”

Outline

Introduction: Fortune telling

Point one: What will heaven be like?

Point two: Who will be there?

Point three: So how will you feel?

References

Book of Isaiah, 46:8–10 (ESV):

“Remember this and stand firm, recall it to mind, you transgressors, remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’

Revelation to John, 7:12 (ESV, Interlinear Bible):

saying, “Amen! Blessing (eulogia) and glory (doxa) and wisdom (sophia) and thanksgiving (eucharistia) and honor (time) and power (dynamis) and might (ischys) be to our God forever and ever! Amen.”

Revelation to John, 7:14 (ESV, Interlinear Bible):

I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation (thlipseos). They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Gospel according to John, 16:33 (ESV, Interlinear Bible):

I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation (thlipsin). But take heart; I have overcome the world.”

Acts of the Apostles, 7:9–10 (ESV, Interlinear Bible)

“And the patriarchs, jealous of Joseph, sold him into Egypt; but God was with him and rescued him out of all his afflictions (thlipseon) and gave him favor and wisdom before Pharaoh, king of Egypt, who made him ruler over Egypt and over all his household.

Second Letter of Paul to the Corinthians, 8:13 (ESV, Interlinear Bible)

For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened (thlipsis), but that as a matter of fairness

Why are you not Orthodox, Catholic, Presbyterian, Muslim or atheist? Why do you believe what you believe and why do you believe Luthernism is the truth?

Today being All Saints’ Day, I would like to learn more about this shared tradition of our Faith. For examples of saints venerated in all three traditions there is St John of the Cross (1542-1591), and St Maximilian Kolbe (1894-1941), among many others. John of the Cross being a Carmelite friar, and Kolbe being a Franciscan friar.

A point of ignorance on my part is that I don’t know how analogous the veneration of the saints is commemorated in Anglican and Lutheran traditions, compared to Catholicism. Thank you in advance for your insights. I hope we’re all able to make it to church today, and that we pray for the intercession of the saints and to God that our Church be united and of one accord. God bless.