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Intel Ultra Desktop PC has been shitting the bed recently, while AMD's desktop PC is just destroying every other Windows CPU... on the other hand...
Intel's Core Ultra Series 2 laptop CPU is near Apple M series power efficiency destroying every other windows CPU even the Qualcomm ARM CPU...
this feels so deja vu as 20 years ago, the Intel Pentium was just going downhill every iteration, but their "Core" series laptop CPU came to save the day. At the same time, AMD 64 released and was insanely good...
This just feels uncanny at this point rofl.
Specification | MI325X | MI355X |
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Architecture | CDNA 3 | CDNA 4 |
Compute Performance (FP16) | 10.4 PF | 18.5 PF |
Compute Performance (FP8) | 20.8 PF | 37 PF |
Compute Performance (FP4/FP6) | Not Supported | 74 PF (FP6/FP4) |
Memory Type | HBM3e | HBM3e |
Memory Capacity (per GPU) | 256 GB | 288 GB |
Memory Bandwidth | 6 TB/s | 8 TB/s |
Parameter Capacity | 1.8 Trillion | 4.2 Trillion |
As is known, AMD left some of potential performance for Ryzen 9000 at its launch, which were improved by subsequent microcode updates and software patches. With the launches of Arrow Lake and the Ryzen 7 9800X3D, Ryzen 9000 (non-X3D) was able to show a clearly improved performance, especially at gaming benchmarks.
This short article (long form at 3DCenter) will take a closer look at this performance improvement in comparison to Ryzen 7000 and Core i-14000 in order to correct the performance differences established at launch. At its launch, Ryzen 9000 was measured with an average of +9% application performance and +4% gaming performance compared to Ryzen 7000.
For this purpose, the benchmark evaluation for the launch of the Ryzen 7 9800X3D was extended to Ryzen 7000 and the missing figures were filled by interpolation. The following performance tables show how the performance of Ryzen 7000 & 9000 has changed compared to Intel's Core i-14000 between the benchmarks from August (launch of Ryzen 9000) and November (launch of Ryzen 7 9800X3D):
7600X | 7700X | 7900X | 7950X | 9600X | 9700X | 9900X | 9950X | 14900K | |
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6C Zen4 | 8C Zen4 | 12C Zen4 | 16C Zen4 | 6C Zen5 | 8C Zen5 | 12C Zen5 | 16C Zen5 | 8P+16E RPL | |
Application Perf. OLD | 55.5% | 67.4% | 85.6% | 101.0% | 61.4% | 71.8% | 94.4% | 110.1% | 100% |
Application Perf. NEW | 56.8% | 68.7% | 86.8% | 101.7% | 62.1% | 73.4% | 96.5% | 111.6% | 100% |
Difference | +1.3 PP | +1.3 PP | +1.2 PP | +0.7 PP | +0.7 PP | +1.6 PP | +2.1 PP | +1.5 PP | – |
Gain Zen 4 to Zen 5 | – | – | – | – | 76X→96X +9.3% | 77X→97X +6.8% | 790X→990X +11.2% | 795X→995X +9.7% | – |
Gaming Perf. OLD | 82.0% | 86.5% | 86.5% | 88.4% | 86.7% | 91.5% | 87.5% | 91.1% | 100% |
Gaming Perf. NEW | 87.7% | 91.9% | 90.8% | 92.5% | 93.5% | 97.5% | 96.1% | 99.4% | 100% |
Difference | +5.7 PP | +5.4 PP | +4.3 PP | +4.1 PP | +6.8 PP | +6.0 PP | +8.6 PP | +8.3 PP | – |
Gain Zen 4 to Zen 5 | – | – | – | – | 76X→96X +6.6% | 77X→97X +6.1% | 790X→990X +5.8% | 795X→995X +7.4% | – |
In terms of application performance, the differences are small - and only exist compared to Intel, but not between Ryzen 7000 and 9000. In terms of gaming performance, Ryzen 9000 also only gains slightly vs Ryzen 7000 with the new benchmarks. Compared to Intel, however, Ryzen 9000 achieves a convincing result. But, Ryzen 7000 also benefits very noticeably from the firmware and software improvements.
The picture becomes even clearer in a direct generation comparison of all tested models against each other: With the new benchmarks, Ryzen 9000 gains almost nothing over Ryzen 7000 at application performance, and the (relative) gain is also small at gaming performance. However, the advantages of the new benchmarks of Ryzen 9000 compared to Core1-14000 are very clear: Under applications it is only +2.4% more, but under games it is +8.9% more.
OLD (Aug '24) | NEW (Nov '24) | Difference | ||
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Applic. Perf.: Ryzen 7000(X) to Ryzen 9000(X) | 100% vs 109.1% | → | 109.2% | +9.1% → +9.2% |
Applic. Perf.: Core i-14000(K) to Ryzen 9000(X) | 100% vs 103.5% | → | 105.6% | +3.5% → +5.6% |
Gaming Perf.: Ryzen 7000(X) to Ryzen 9000(X) | 100% vs 103.9% | → | 106.5% | +3.9% → +6.5% |
Gaming Perf.: Core i-14000(K) to Ryzen 9000(X) | 100% vs 93.4% | → | 101.6% | –6.6% → +1.6% |
AMD has therefore left a lot of potential performance behind at the launch of Ryzen 9000. Not so much compared to Ryzen 7000, but very clearly compared to Intel. Nevertheless, the progress in the gaming performance of Ryzen 9000 between the benchmarks from August to November is sufficient for Ryzen 9000 to no longer lag behind Core i-14000 at gaming performance, but rather to catch up (or partially lead).
Such a result would certainly have made Ryzen 9000 look better at its launch, and the net-wide rating would probably have been much friendlier. This underlines the importance of not launching prematurely without finished firmware & software. Now a few months later, it is certainly much more difficult for AMD to change the narrative on Ryzen 9000 once it has been set.
TLDR — What AMD has left behind in terms of performance at the Ryzen 9000 launch:
Original & some longer article in german: 3DCenter.org