Dragon Ball Super and Dragon Ball Daima both did something that I am NOT a fan of!

In DBS, Son Goku was badly shot by a crappy laser gun... He can take beam attacks from Vegeta in training or from enemies in the back (to put those who say he wasn't prepared to rest) but a laser gun is the only thing that matters? They hit each other like moons but a laser gun can get through? wtf

AND he got a bad scratch when he was shot with a gun... Seriously? A crappy gun? He is stronger in his base form than Cell in his perfect form and Cell was able to withstand the combined forces of the nations and they shot at him with tanks and missiles and who knows what else, he didn't even bother to fight it off like you don't fight back against wind but a gun is enough to hurt Son Goku?

DBD Spoiler: Episode 2

!In DBD, Piccolo flew into a tree as a child and got a nosebleed... That's simply impossible, even if his strength was taken away, he can withstand about the same as Son Goku as a child, and Son Goku was hit at close range as a toddler (even younger than Piccolo in DBD) with a shotgun and nothing more than an "ouch, that hurts" and a hold of his hands on his head was enough.!<

1. How do fusions work? Is it addition or multiplication? Nail said namekian fusion was multiplication, but I think gogeta has a line something along the lines of "I have goku and vegeta's power, and then some." So is namekian fusion just different in the power gaining side?
2. Who was stronger, piccolo or nail? Nail acted like he was the stronger of the 2, but piccolo would have been stronger than tien at that point, which would hame made him stronger than vegeta before his zenkai boost after getting bodied by recoom. But then again I don't think vegeta actually fought freeza until after his other zenkai boost after getting shot by krillin so it's possible he would have done worse than nail against freeza after the first zenkai boost I mentioned.
3. Could goku and piccolo fuze? I know he'd have to drop his power by a lot so it would probably be less efficient than just staying goku, but could they fuze even though they're not only different species, but they're not even close.
4. Would dying and getting brought back activate a zenkai boost, or does the saiyan have to live for it to work?

I may have a chance to see linda young; voice of frieza, tomorrow, and if I get a chance I might ask her to say a line or two if I can work it in. If you could, what lines would you want her to say?

so i started watching dbs and i got to the part where we see kid vegeta and his voice sounds like deku. so i google the actor for kid vegeta and they are both played by Justin Briner so that caught me really off guard because i am also a fan of My Hero Academia so yeah

Vegeta was born almost as strong his father. The half saiyans are all absurdly OP - if Saiyan power level was hereditary at all, it would make sense that the royal bloodline would be strong and that "saiyan elite" would be a birthright.

This also helps explain why Frieza was worried. He probably knew that each generation would surpass the last and it could quickly lead to a planet full of powerful warriors

Imagine daima x super x Gt timelines all had an crossover events? Similar to super heroes but different. Like a event of sort.

I’m currently trying to get into Dragon ball and I’ve just barely reached episode 52 of the first show, but also while YouTube shorts scrolling I get Dragon Ball Z clips but in none of them do I see Goku using the Power Pole nor any mention of it, but I did see a clip where he called back the Flying Nimbus as an adult, that moment apparently being its first appearance in over a decade(according to the title and comments of that short). Did the pole end up breaking or being lost or abandoned or something? Or did they just straight up retcon its existence in Z?

I don’t really care all to much about a small spoiler to the show like the fate of the power pole, I’m just curious why I haven’t seen it in any of the clips I’ve seen.

So I have been watching the DB series since the late 1990s and never thought about why Piccolo doesn’t make offspring after Dragonball. Is it just the fact he’s too proud or has the inability to do so as that was King Piccolos ability?

I had heard Toriyama had done the designs for Blue Dragon so it’d be interesting if it was a callback but it may just be a case of arriving to a similar design after many years. I just thought it was interesting since I got flashbacks as soon as I saw the emblem on the demon guards lol

I know they might be good but judging by what little I know about them they might downplay the characters I love from the original series like Yamcha, Tien, and others.
Do the humans still get as much love or limelight in the other shows or are they undermined?

Hello everyone. Is it a distant dream to imagine that Dragon Ball Super will become Filler and Daima will continue as a reboot of this story?

Dragon Ball Daima - Episode #4 - Discussion Thread!

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Episode 4 begins airing on FujiTV in Japan at this time of this post (10:40a ET, 16:40 CET, 23:40 JT). The episode should be available subtitled on Crunchyroll about two hours later. You may discuss the episode if you have seen it, but be sure to follow our rules.

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I ask because many fans, myself included, got into it as kids and it was of our first animes, if not our gateway into the medium. And there's a stigma that the franchise relies too heavily on nostalgia-bait.

So I'm curious, how many of you got into the franchise only later on in life after seeing a ton of other stuff first?

is toyotaro the sole writer of dragonball content from now on? like post daima and moro etc? who calls the shots as far as direction of the series now?

thanks!

Letting cell absorb 18 is so FUCKING stupid. He should've been defeated by the kamehameha in the saiyan saga it's just fucking plot armor that he survived that that should've been a win for goku but no he survives and uses great ape which isn't even fair against goku. In the buu saga he let's himself be controlled by babidi so he can fight goku babidi also gives him a power up so the ssj2 goku vs ssj2 majin vegeta isnt even fair and goku was holding back by not using ssj3. Imo majin vegeta should've shot the audience with a ki blast and killed one of gokus friends idk who he wouldn't kill bulma so master roshi should've been killed by the ki blast making goku rage and go into ssj3 and fucking pummel vegeta and kill him. Maybe not kill him since vegeta's sacrifice is cool and a good development for his character. I know this wouldn't be the best writing but I just FUCKING hate majin vegeta. I dont hate vegeta overall but him coming back from that kaikoken x4 kamehameha is bullshit.

Well, we don't have anything confirmed about the return of DBS anime, but I think it's very likely that the anime will return, just not now.

The chronology now looks like this: Dragon Ball -> Dragon Ball Z (or Kai) -> Dragon Ball Daima -> Dragon Ball Super

I can't see any point in Shueisha leaving things incomplete on the anime side, a DBS 2 anime could be possible years after Daima is finished, and we could have Ultra Ego Vegeta or the fights against Moro in the Daima quality animation.

What are your opinions on this? Do you also think that if this happens, the Broly and Super Hero movies would be retold in the anime?

I dont watch dragon ball. I'm not a fan, but I have played some of the games because they looked fun and seen the memes . So correct me If I'm wrong, but technically can't base Gogeta beat SSJ4 Gogeta because of the show super?

Why is Vegeta ,a fan favorite, always treated like sh*t ? He is supposed to be Goku's rival yet,he is the one that recieves the worst beatings in the series in every saga Saiyan saga: Humiliated by Goku

Namek saga: humiliated by Recoome and tried running away from 2nd form frieza making Gohan and Krillin look braver , and even cried twice when he realized he can't win , oh and got whooped by Gohan at the end of the saga

Androids saga: got the W against a useless character android 19,got his arm broken by Android 18 and started screaming in pain , Cell made him look dumb and got another beating from a Cell Jr

Buu saga: got whooped by fat Buu and even sacrificed himself in vain ,got a chance to go back to the living world to stop Kid Buu only to get an even worst beating
didn't even reach SSJ3 and got surpassed by everyone

BOG saga: can't blame him here , it's Beerus after all , everyone gets one shotted by him and he did better than SSJ3 Goku

Ressurection of F: fights a weakened Golden frieza and still loses and gets killed for the 2nd time by Frieza that Whis has to break the rules and reverse time to fix his mistake

Beerus vs Champa Tournament:defeats 2 useless characters that only need SSJ , and gets obliterated by Hit

Goku black arc: he finally gets the W against a villain who is strong , but still got a beating

ToP: got the W against alot of weak characters , got a weak new form and used all his power to eliminate Toppo, Jiren played with him the whole time and beat him with ease (bro made him look like a fly) , even android 17 and Frieza did a better job against Jiren

And don't get me started on the Z movies they are the worst part for Vegeta , that's how it goes: -Badass entrance -starts trash talking and says cool lines -starts spamming those weakass yellow ki blasts -gets his ass kicked in 2 seconds and is knocked out for the rest of the movie

Like even his strongest form now is being a punching bag , imo it's trash compared to UI .

I know this is so much text but i had to get this off my chest , it's hard liking a character that gets whooped this much .

1. When he sees that gohan had hidden and even taken away one dragon ball each on namek, and he goes into a bloodthirsty mood, chases them to guru.

2. When Guru dies and the dragon balls turn to stone?

Both times, he was intimidating them, quite similar how he intimidated Cui before he actually killed him. But Frieza (in scenario 2), and the ginyu in scenario 1, didn't intervene, would he have killed them?

I know alot of people say no, but since we haven't seen a dragon ball project that takes place after goku and uub trains.

The only source material that takes place after that event is dragon ball GT

So untill a Manga or series shows what happens after goku and uub train. We can just assume GT is what happens

We can ignore the GT movie about Android 17. That isn't cannon

Could a human, obtain/achieve god power or ultra instinct, cause yeah obviously the can't get super sayain transformation, but idk, could humans achieve that power

Hello everyone, this is my first post in this subreddit. As most of you, I grew with dragon ball almost my entire life, and as most of you I've seen many powerscaling discussions and videos and etc.

But those discussions have always been useless to me the moment Krilling survived a direct attack of Super Sayian blue without that self-control training Goku did with Super Sayian 1. What I'm here to propose the possible reason Why they haven't accidentally blown up a damn planet by accident having already surpassed the planet destroyer level since the Freezer saga or even before that!?. I rewatched the whole series since the sayian saga and I've noticed some crucial clues that may give us an answer:

• Nappa without much effort is able to destroy entire cities, but the mouth ray he shoots despite supposedly being infinitely more powerful doesn't have that amount of reach. Yes it may have made a really large hole, but that is not the size of a city.
• Friezer is capable of effortlessly destroying planets with a giant sun-like ball in his first suppressed form, but then attacks in his ultimate form don't completly anhialate the planet and maybe other planets nearby.
• In "Ressurrection of Friezer" he is capable of destroying earth in such a fast way in such a weak state that he event caughts Vegeta and Goku offguard, but than non of his other attacks have the same damage reflected in the planet.
• In the cell saga when Goku, Gohan and Krillin are chillin in a nearby river, Krillin throws a rock to a Super Saiyan Goku and he still fells the pain without the throw being really powerful. The reason why is because Goku wasn't prepared for such attack. Same thing happens in Super when Goku is ganged up by a bunch of thieves who shoot at Goku. Obviously Goku beat them all, but despite being capable of destroying a planet just in his base state a mere bullet is still capable to at least make him feel some pain which in the series is because Goku didn't train much and was getting rusty and because he wasn't expecting the attacks to be that strong (They're quite weak considering the powerscale currently but Goku in that episode obviously forgot how strong a bullet really is.)
• In the tournament of power Goku is capable of getting the upper hand against Jiren by using the divine technique of Ultra Instinct. Let me repeat that, divine technique, He doesn't become stronger nor has a multiplier of power (at least in Ultra Instinct sign) because it's not a saiyan transformation, but a certain way to free your mind of thought so that your reflexes let your body fight automatically instead of you coordinating your body. And despite this not givving more stregth to Goku, he still becomes capable of fighting an opponent that doesn't use any divine technique but is more powerful than Goku just by pure and raw physical stregth and training and ability.
• In the Moro saga KI and Magic are treated as one and the same. Don't believe me? Then why does instant transmition need KI to be used instead of magic considering it's a "weird technique"? and why does the Metamoran fusion requere the two individuals to have not only a similar body structure but also a similar KI level? Because they're the same thing but used in different ways.

I'll use the previous evidence to support my theory, the theory of the Four states of KI: Physical KI, Destructive KI, Piercing KI and Raw KI.

1. Physical KI: In this state KI makes a protective layer layer around its target, not only making it more resistant but also stronger in general. Also allows living beings to become stronger not by increasing the amount of muscle they have but by pumping KI into their body.
2. Destructive KI: In this state KI is volatile and, without any KI based protection, it's capable of destroying matter in a violent burst of energy.
3. Piercing KI: This state of KI is not capable of destroying solid objects or matter, but it's capable of piercing through physical KI, destroying any possible protection.
4. Raw KI: This is the purest form of KI, from there it can be transformed into any other kind of KI. This KI is most commonly used in teqniques that aren't mde for combat, but for other purposes like spells or magic in general. This KI is soaked with the negative or positive aura of the individual and thus anything he does with KI is influenced by this.

It takes more Destructive KI than Piercing KI to inflict damage against a target with a protective layer of KI. It would take almost double the amount of Destructive KI to hurt someone with with a KI layer. The base of all KI based attacks of Dragon Ball is to learn how to control each type of KI for each different scenrio and to properly distribute it.

In my opinion this explanation of how KI works is the best one I could come up with for the following reasons:

1. Explains how galaxy destroying level characters don't accidentally wipe out a planet with their pinky aimed at the wrong direction. How? Simple. Lets think of the different kind of KIs as bars. The city wiping attack of Nappa and moon destroying attacks of Piccolo and Roshi and the Planet destroying attack of Friezer have the Destructive KI bar all the way to the top but every other bar to the lowest which would mean that ,if it wasn't for the atmosphere of the planet being burned or the floor beneath you blowing up, Namek Goku would actually survive one of those """suns""" that Friezer uses to destroy planets. In contrast to Friezer's finger laser attack, the Makankosappo of Piccolo, Ultra Instinct and many other of the same nature which would have the Piercing KI all the way to the top and the others including the Destructive KI all the way down which is why they inflict so much damage without blowing a moon in the process.
2. Fits very well with the nature of Ultra Instinct and Ultra ego and with the divine abilities of the Gods. Lets think for a second that Friezer's finger laser attack and Piccolo's Makankosappo are just different teqniques to more efficiently augment the Piercing KI bar by lowering the others and focusing it all in the Piercing KI. Then this would mean that the divine teqniques are just the most efficientmethod to fully control Piercing and Destructive KI. The Hakai attack would have a full bar of Destructive KI, completly erasing matter from existance, and Ultra Instinct would have a full bar of Piercing KI, not destroying but absolutely breaking the defensive barrier of a target and perfectly targeting the damage.
3. Explains how Goku and Friezer survived being attacked by a Hakai. The Hakai is pure Destructive KI, but as previously said It takes more Destructive KI than Piercing KI to inflict damage against a target with a protective layer of KI. So all they had to do was focus all their energy into the Physical KI to enough to be able to escape the attack. Maybe it also explains why every time we've seen Bills use Hakai he takes the opponent by surprise or intimidates they to lower their defenses unconciously, so that the Hakai becomes more effective.

Let me know what you think of this theory guys. Leave a comment below with your thoughts or maybe you could help me by adding more to this theory. Or... please let me know if someone else has ever thought of this before...

So I know a lot about frezia I grew up with dragon ball so I know him not everything but enough to make him one of my favorite villains because he’s one of the very few villains who actually puts a good name on the word villain (I know it sounds confusing but I have my reasons feel free to ask if you want) but anyway I don’t know about his dad king cold or anything about his brother cooler so I want to know about those too and I want to know if frezia has a mom unless his species does the whole asexual lizard thing where they can have kids without sex however I want to know why cooler isn’t canon like I know movie villains aren’t canon but it’s literally his BROTHER why is his dad canon but not his own brother? I also want to know if their family dynamic like do they actually love eachother or is it just warrior respect and does king cold actually love his sons?

But I want to get into some of the games. But not only am I new to the franchise But new to the fighting style of games

So not sure which one I should start with.

I have enough to either get both xenoverse 1 and 2 (deluxe edition for 2)

Or I can get kakarot (by itself)

Which would y'all suggest for a first dragon ball game. (I'm on Xbox series X)

I've recently discovered a passion for the deep lore and story of Dragon Ball and want to dive into it by playing some of the best games. But here's the thing—the timeline of Dragon Ball games is super confusing, and I have no idea where to start. Ideally, I'd love to play through games that cover everything the anime does, from Dragon Ball all the way through Dragon Ball Z and beyond.

If anyone could recommend the best games that follow the anime’s storyline in order, that would be amazing! Any platform works, so feel free to suggest anything.

Had Gohan decided to follow the words of Android 16 in regards to putting beings like cell down, sought to honor the wishes of Goku by becoming Earth's protector and trained seriously... utilising everything at his disposal such as Gravity training, trained once again under piccolo, sparred regularly with him & Vegeta and embraced his combat insticts, how powerful could he have been by Buu saga and by BoF? Could he have unlocked beast form against Beerus when he threatened to destroy earth without Elder Kai unlocking his potential?

I am a big manga fan and have read the likes of One Piece, Chainsaw Man, Berserk, Bleach etc., and was wondering if the "father" of these series was any good. I have seen Dragon Ball Super, up to Resurrection F and DBZ up to the Frieza arc in the last, but I couldn't get invested in them. I'm pretty young, so maybe my taste changed, but I had a thousand issues with it: Goku being presented as a man who works hard to get to where he is, yet is only a quarter of his strength because of his biology, Vegeta losing every fight he is in post-Frieza to make Goku look good when he beats them, Goku being the only character of relevance just to name a few,. These were huge blockers for me to enjoy it, but was wondering if I could be sold to try again.

Is Dragon Ball good? If so why? All I ever hear is that it is iconic, nostalgic and impactful on future manga. All of which has no say in its quality which makes me think that it's overrated and not worth seeing now. Is this true?

Does anyone know the name of the background music that plays when the Z Warriors come to help Gohan while he charges the Kamehameha to defeat Cell, more specifically when Tien Shinhan and Yamcha give their speech?

I don't recall anything like that, would be cool to see how they look, or more about how they grow

Well I can’t put pictures but since all Dbz movies are canon for bc goku does he have Goten?(android 13 movie)