/r/LetsTalkMusic

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A community for people who are passionate about music. Stimulating, in-depth music discussions aren't rare here.



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Subreddit Goals

This is a community for people who are passionate about music. Here, stimulating, in-depth music discussions aren't rare.

We would like to encourage posts that lead to heady discussions and lively debate. Assume your fellow contributors are somewhat cultured in music and are looking to write and read posts and comments that illuminate and challenge our ideas about music and the joy of listening to it.

Album Discussion Club

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Anyone is welcome to join our weekly album discussion club where we listen to and talk about our favorite albums and albums that are brand new to us. Official threads will be created by a moderator for weekly album discussion.


Album Discussion Club Archive

Weekly Threads


  • What Have You Been Listening To?

  • "What Have You Been Listening To?"-threads are posted every Monday at 10:00am EST, and provide a platform to just talk about what music we've been listening to.


  • General Discussion

  • "General Discussion"-threads are posted every Thursday at 10:00am EST, and are a free-for-all almost rule-free zone where we can talk about whatever without caring about our usual rules. This is the place to ask for recommendations, discuss meta issues, and talk about anything that isn't worth a full post.


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The latest iconic guitar riffs that made people want to learn guitar?

“I don’t want you to play me a riff that’s going to impress Joe Satriani; give me a riff that makes a kid go out and buy a guitar and learn to play.”

- Ozzy Osbourne

There was an abundance of such riffs from the 60s to 80s, but since then?

Metallica's Enter Sandman, perhaps even Nirvana's Smells Like Teen Spirit?

I might be showing my age but I cannot really think of any after those. Is it due to the fact that the status of guitar in music has declined considerably after the 90s, or because the culture has become more fragmented?

0 Comments
2024/05/01
03:03 UTC

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The Summer Olympics in Paris are less than 3 months away. What should we expect from the event's musical presentation? What French musical traditions would you like to see highlighted in the opening/closing ceremonies?

Full disclosure: I'm not a big sports guy myself.

I mean, it doesn't even matter - this is a music-related subreddit, and what I'm getting at is that I am more interested in what the Olympics, the World Cup, the Super Bowl etc have to offer from the musical and cultural standpoint. The music and the songs from those events are sometimes remembered more fondly that the actual sports competitions - from 'Waka Waka', 'Wavin' Flag' and 'The Cup of Life' to pretty much every year's Super Bowl - the list goes on.

We are just 86 days away from the most important sports event on the planet that'll take place in one of the world's biggest cultural capitals. In terms of how well the host country's musical traditions can be displayed during the opening and closing ceremonies, the 2012 London Olympics have set the benchmark very high, so much so that, in my opinion, the following two installments were rather disappointing, to say the least. I'm personally hoping that the Paris Olympics could at least try to recapture the brilliance of the 2012 Games in the musical department, and thankfully, France is a country with incredibly rich music traditions that are just waiting to be showcased to the world audience and introduce new generations of people to French music.

Together with news articles gushing over international superstars ("OMG is Beyonce playing at the 2024 Games? "Dolly Parton recorded a Queen cover for the Olympics", "Coldplay at the Olympics???" yada yada) that could potentially perform at the opening ceremony, there's also a Spotify playlist suspiciously subtitled "The Official Playlist of Paris 2024". Here's hoping that the playlist is actually fake (474 likes, 15 followers) because it mostly consists of your typical post-globalist schlock that one, for once, hopes not to hear outside of your Top 40 radio rotation/Spotify daily payola mix. From the White Stripes and Marshmello (groan) to Dua Lipa and Jack Harlow (triple groan) sprinkled with a teeny tiny selection of French songs, is this really the best they've got?

Anyway, here it is, LTM, the obligatory tl;dr. What should we expect from the music that will be featured in the 2024 Paris Olympics? What genres, artists and songs best showcase France's rich music traditions and absolutely deserve to be highlighted?

2 Comments
2024/04/30
23:03 UTC

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Is it wrong to sing/write cultural music if i’m not from that culture?

So I’m not really sure where to go for this but I (16 white male from America) am a solo artist that writes indie/alt music. I’ve always been super into learning about different cultures and stuff, i lived in Japan for 4 years and was lucky enough to visit many asian countries to see these cultures. Anyways, one of the things that fascinates me is the cultures music, and i find myself wanting to practice or write that kind of music. For example, I watched a video of a man demonstrating Hindustani, specifically Carnatic Vocals and how they work. And I really was interested and wanted to learn. Basically, I just want to know if is offensive or morally wrong to practice these cultural songs considering I am not from them.

44 Comments
2024/04/30
16:12 UTC

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Lets talk about the (lack of) lasting cultural impact of Duran Duran - and some related stuff too. See inside.

I've been thinking about Duran Duran lately. They aren't a favorite band of mine or anything. But at a certain point growing up in the 80s they were ubiquitous. I listened to Duran Duran in every gym class against my will. They were a top video band, played constantly on the television and the radio. Singles that were huge included Hungry Like the Wolf, The Reflex, Wild Boys, Rio, Save a Prayer, New Moon on Monday, View to a Kill etcetera.

They. were. huge. HUGE.

But I get the feeling the culture tired of them and their music came to sound dated. Compared to some other huge acts that still get a lot of airplay and cultural penetration, my sense is that Duran Duran gets a lot less. When I looked at Spotify and Youtube music its an interesting story. 9 million monthly listeners, which is a lot, but its about HALF that of The Cure. Of their classic hits only Hungry Like The Wolf is up in the 300 million stream level. Where are The Reflex or Wild Boys? It seems like those songs are relatively forgotten. Their subreddit on here has 3000 subscribers.

I have this vague memory I'm hoping somebody can either corroborate or contradict of them showing up as a surprise at some awards show onstage and being introduced by (I think) Justin Timberlake) and the crowd reaction being surprisingly lackluster.

Duran Duran was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame last year. They have what I think is a successful tour going on. as well. They aren't nothing. And maybe they are resurgent.

What I want to know are YOUR impressions of Duran Duran in the lasting cultural context/zeitgeist. Maybe their songs are showing up in lots of TVs and movies and radio playlists and I'm just missing them. Do you think they were an ignored/forgotten band for a while or not? If so why?

Related - are there other bands that were absolutely huge and then have become relatively ignored/forgotten? What do you think causes some bands to have more lasting longevity with their early main timeline hits vs others who come to seem dated or out of style?

I have this

82 Comments
2024/04/30
12:57 UTC

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When Different Music Tastes Marry….

It doesn’t have to be marry—it could be partner.

Anyway, my husband and I are polar opposites on our choices of music.

He cringes when I play Jimi Hendrix or Led Zeppelin on 11. He can’t understand my love of Nick Drake or the Dead or Van Morrison. He doesn’t understand what a great guitar player John Mayer either.

OTOH, he grew up in Paris with a concert pianist stepfather ( which is cool-I will admit) who was well-known in classical piano circles.

He listened only to classical and 50’s rock because his stepfather would bring those records back when he toured the States.

Personally, I don’t care for Elvis or that 1950’s music. At times I ponder if it’s because we’re two different generations. Who knows?

Our compromise is before dinner we listen to my music, during dinner his. Whoever is driving gets the musical choice. And I listen to my music with my earpods placed into my ears.

What about you? Are you polar opposites with your partner? Friends?

38 Comments
2024/04/30
09:57 UTC

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What happened to the metalheads kids of the 80s?

As someone who is deeply fascinated by metal and the metal culture from the 80s, I just wanted to know what happened to that clique of kids today? Are they still listening to the same stuff or in '91 moved on to alternative, rap or R&B? Because when I saw a similar question for former midwest emos, most of them had clearly moved on from that style of music.

(Metal inclues glam, thrash, speed whatever that came out in the 80s)

360 Comments
2024/04/30
09:33 UTC

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Let's talk "difficult" music

This topic didn't go over as well as I hoped in /r/music, so let's try it here:

Sometimes, discussions about "inaccessible" or "difficult but rewarding" music pop up online. These usually just turn into a contest about whose taste is the most obscure or strange. But is that discussion even valuable?

What makes an album difficult for you? Is it the instrumentation, repetition, noisiness, lyricism, or a combination of each? Are there different types of inaccessibility? What albums did you have a hard time listening to, and what do you think about the albums that are usually brought up in these discussions (i.e. Disco Volante, Trout Mask Replica, most harsh noise wall, etc.)? And how subjective do you think this is?

76 Comments
2024/04/30
08:40 UTC

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Middle school bands?

What's your opinion on a band started sometime is middle school? I know people do bands in high school alot but no one really talks about middle school bands. My dad's friend started a band in middle school and they're actually doing really well after years later (I can't remember what they're called) but do you think that they're not going to go as well as high school bands or bands started at an older age?

To sum it up: Just asking because I started a band in 7th grade and want to know what opinions are on this.

26 Comments
2024/04/30
02:41 UTC

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The growing role of reactors in the music scene

My YouTube feed is filling up with reaction videos - people (some in the music business, many not) reacting to songs they never heard before.

Is it me, or are there suddenly thousands of people trying to build up followers on YouTube by simply reacting to artists? It feels like reactions have gone from a niche to a booming corner of the internet.

One of the more interesting examples of this is the mutual dependence between an independent artist from Wales named, Ren, and the reaction community. When Ren's big hit, "Hi Ren" came out last year (28 million views and still growing), he had no marketing, no budget, no previous hits - just word of mouth and the reactors. He embraced them, and they embraced him (esp. the hip hop community and, interesting, mental health professionals since many of his songs are about that). Ren even reacts to reactors reacting to him. He's showed up on their channels to give interviews, invited some to watch the filming of his latest video - and even engaged in a rap battle with one. Now hundreds of reactors have covered him - and he popularity is skyrocketing (#1 record in the UK last year - with no marketing budget, no promotions, not even a tour (health issues have kept him off the stage).

So, that leads me to wonder if other artists are embracing reactors - and if this is a repeatable model going forward. Thoughts?

55 Comments
2024/04/29
22:04 UTC

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Few sales and a lot of influence

Why are there bands like The Velvet Underground, New York Dolls, Sparks, Suicide or Television, that sold almost nothing in the United States but in England gave them a great reception, and helped shape modern English music? And yet, the same has not happened with bands like The Smiths, Bauhaus or Joy Division, to name a few. They never had number 1s nor have they appeared on Billboard. Could it be that it's a type of rock that doesn't sell? Or is there something else?

There are people like John Hughes, who fell in love with British music in the 80s, and put it to good use (with bands like Simple Minds, The English Beat, Sigue Sigue Sputnik, Siouxsie and the Banshees, or The Smiths herself being part of the soundtrack of his films such as Pretty in Pink or Ferris Bueller Day's Off). But still, there wasn't as much furor with those types of bands as there was with the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Queen, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Duran Duran or Culture Club.

So, returning to the initial question, what is the reason for this difference in sales between both sides of the Atlantic?

68 Comments
2024/04/29
16:29 UTC

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What Have You Been Listening To? - Week of April 29, 2024

Each week a WHYBLT? thread will be posted, where we can talk about what music we’ve been listening to. The recommended format is as follows.

Band/Album Name: A description of the band/album and what you find enjoyable/interesting/terrible/whatever about them/it. Try to really show what they’re about, what their sound is like, what artists they are influenced by/have influenced or some other means of describing their music.

Artist Name – Song Name If you’d like to give a short description of the song then feel free

PLEASE INCLUDE YOUTUBE, SOUNDCLOUD, SPOTIFY, ETC LINKS! Recommendations for similar artists are preferable too.

This thread is meant to encourage sharing of music and promote discussion about artists. Any post that just puts up a youtube link or says “I've been listening to Radiohead; they are my favorite band.” will be removed. Make an effort to really talk about what you’ve been listening to. Self-promotion is also not allowed.

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2024/04/29
15:00 UTC

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Music from Africa is very underrated

Especially South Africa they are very creative with the music they make. Listen to a genre called Amapiano I discovered it because of Rihanna shouting an Amapiano song out at an interview then I discovered more genres make like SA house music, Slow jam, deep house even SA hip hop is good they are artists like AKA,Nasty C and A-reece if your into playboi carti they have their own version called Kill Brady lol did you know Doja kat is from over there? And tems also tyla

38 Comments
2024/04/29
14:14 UTC

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We moved to a small town & there’s an old 300 seat theater on Main Street that only books touring tribute bands. A different band 5 days/wk. Bands w/ names like “NeverUtero: Nirvana Experience” or “AC/ZZ: AC/DC & ZZ Top Tribute” I had no idea that this was something that existed.

Some of them are for big acts (Queen/The Beatles) and some are really strange (Incubus/Kansas)

I’d love to know more about this little subculture. As I said, I knew about bigger tribute bands touring bigger cities (Dark Star Orchestra etc etc) but I didn’t know about these bands out there on the road touring 300 seat theaters and bars. The kind of band that’s playing a small theater on a Tuesday in the 8,000 person county seat in rural Indiana.

I’ve pulled a few of them up online and some are playing 150 shows a year. If you live in a town with 10,000 people in it, there is a good chance “Purple Pain: The Prince Legacy Tribute” is swinging through your town this year.

We went to one just to check it out. It was a Bob Seger cover band made up of guys in their 50s and they were REALLY GOOD - it wasn’t amateur hour.

It’s kind of fascinating. In the same way that small wrestling promotions and carnivals are fascinating.

Anybody here in one of these bands?

What are the financials like?

What’s the life like touring these 8th tier 10,000 person markets?

Any good stories?

It honestly seems like a really cool life. You’re in a touring band with a built in audience immediately. You see weird pockets of the country.

I’m just kind of amazed that there are ‘50 year old “lifers” out there on the road doing this.

50 Comments
2024/04/29
03:59 UTC

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You ever wonder why it is that you like a certain type of music?

So I feel like anyone who listens to a very "odd" genre or style of music will be able to somewhat agree with me easily. Like for example I listen to a lot of Japanese music. Yes "anime" music but no lol I barely listen to any anime openings (i cant say none some go hard af). When I say Japanese music I mean quite literally almost any genre of Japanese music I generally like more than the same genre in English (with exceptions). Although I mainly listen to pop, metal, and a little bit of edm and jazz. But I always wonder why do I normally gravitate towards Japanese music like what is actually different between Japanese metal and English metal, and the same thing with pop? And what is interesting is a lot of the English songs I do like equally are also made by Japanese artists which really makes me think that there is an actual reason that it isn't just I find the language to sound better.

Anyone got any ideas of why I can also show some songs or artists if anyone wants to hear any. And do any of you also have similar questions about why you like some type of music?

180 Comments
2024/04/29
02:01 UTC

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Lets talk about Ed Motta

Recently, a video went viral of the brazilian musician Ed Motta (that,at that time,didn’t knew how to speak english) singing Little Walters “Im Blue and Lonesome” and his interpretation is very impressive and (in my opinion) better than the original.

Many people are unaware that Ed Motta is an incredibly talented singer and composer today, delving into Blues, pop, R&B, Jazz, city pop, AOR, and funk, drawing inspiration primarily from Steely Dan, showcasing amazing technical prowess. Unfortunately, he isn't very popular here in Brazil because he is the nephew of another great Brazilian singer and composer, Tim Maia, and has often been overshadowed by him in the eyes of most people. They expected him to produce similar catchy songs like his uncle's, leading to the perception of him as a "one-hit wonder" with songs like "Manuel," "Fora da Lei," and "Colombina." While these are indeed great songs worth listening to, they only scratch the surface of his true potential. Nowadays, he is more popular in Japan and Europe

So i’m here to make some recommendations of songs that you should definitively take a listen and discuss about your thoughts on him, I will post individual songs but each one of them are part of fantastic albums of the same style:

If you like Soul,I would recommend the albums “Perpetual Gateways”, “AOR” and “Behind the Tea Chronicles”:

1. Smile - from the album AOR

2. Captain’s Refusal - from the album Perpetual Gateways

3. Readers Choice - also from Perpetual Gateways

4. Deluxe Refuge - Behind the Tea Chronicles (this one you should definitely take a listen if you are a Steely Dan fan like him)

If you like Jazz with scat singing I would recommend the whole “Dwitza” and “Aystelum” albums,but here some highlights:

1. Aystelum - Aystelum

2. Cervejamento Total - Dwitza

(The whole Dwitza album is just scat singing and jazz and it’s absolutely amazing,I recommend you listen to it fully instead of just this one)

If you like Pop he has albums like “Poptical”, “Manual Pratico para festas e bailes e afins” and “Piquenique”,here is some other highlights:

1. Coincidência - Poptical

2. Colombina - As Segundas Intenções do Manual pratico

3. Fora da Lei - Manual Pratico para Bailes Festas e Afins

So,what do you think about him?

(Also,pardon my english,it is not my first language)

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2024/04/29
00:21 UTC

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What is the distinction between pop and rock? In other words, what makes pop Pop?

The title is the question, but here's some context

My colleague is a metal head, and we were discussing different genres and what separates them, as I am notoriously bad at labelling metal sub-genres. We came to Power Metal, and he very quickly wrote it off as "just pop music with metal guitars" and... Whilst I would debate it and say there's more to it than that, I can't deny that it's certainly on the end of the metal spectrum that theatre kids would enjoy. But that then inspired the question of "what makes it "just pop"?" The main answer was that it was easy to listen to and had a pretty standard structure, the old verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus line. Except that most rock songs follow that same structure. So we went through pretty much everything we could think of, from instrumentation to vocal style, and every single thing you can fit into both pop and rock music.

So what do you guys think? Where is the distinction? What makes rock separate from pop?

55 Comments
2024/04/28
23:01 UTC

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tpab is overrated

I think an interesting thought experiment is to "line up" the singles of two similar albums(ex. Good Kid mAAd City and To Pimp A Butterfly). For example, if we compare the compatible singles:

Sing of me, I'm dying of thirst vs Mortal Man (both long ballads)
Money Trees vs How Much a Dollar Cost (similar themes)
swimming pools vs alright (both considered trap anthems and iconic songs with little length)
m.a.a.d. city vs blacker the berry (Both about similar themes)
good kid vs wesley's theory (idk they just play similarly to me)

Etc. you get the idea. I think most Kendrick fans would pick the songs on the left (GKMC). Even though TPAB has phenomenal singles, to me it just lacks the oomph single power that other songs have. An album is a collection of singles(EDIT: in large part a collection of singles). TPAB has relatively worse singles compared to other albums

edit: op was a 400 album tier list using this logic but mods deleted it. apparently this is allowed but not what i posted. my bad guys.

ALSO adding this as a counterargument to the interconnected album argument: sgt. pepper is more connected thematically than abbey road but abbey road is considered the better album by most people. in large part due to the quality of singles. why are we removing this treatment for this album comparison.

78 Comments
2024/04/28
20:43 UTC

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We need overproduced music and auto-tuned vocals BACK in the music scene

I am a sucker for that overproduced and polished sound of music paired with some heavily processed auto-tuned vocals. I know EDM still exists, but I'm talking about within pop music. We have been in this era of "natural" and "authentic" sounding pop music for way too long. I wanna say that it started in like 2015 where artists started to sound more "natural". After 2020, music just got worst. It got more sentimental and sensitive, you can barely bop to anything anymore. I have not heard one song today that I can just have fun listening to. The music scene is oversaturated with natural and sentimental b.s. I just want club bangers and bops at this point. 2010 - 2013 was so iconic, I want THAT sound back. A perfect balance of EDM and pop, which gave birth to Electropop of the early 2010s. And if I do hear any dance pop or EDM music today, it doesn't have the same vibe at all. There are no catchy hooks and fun lyrics, it all sounds the same and repetitive. It just ends up being way too EDM, if that makes sense?

The early 2010s had a perfect way of balancing EDM sounds with pop music. Balance is key, today's EDM feels so dead and generic. Early 2010s Electropop music was just something I feel like we'll never see again, songs that had amazing sounds, beats, and smooth to sing along with. Actually, there has been one song that caught my attention very recently, and it's Madison Beer's "Make You Mine", the song is def a bop. I love it. It definitely reminds me of something that would've been produced in 2010 - 2013, but still fits itself into today's music atmosphere as well. I miss 2011 Britney, Kesha, Rihanna, Calvin Harris, Katy Perry, Nicki Minaj, David Guetta, and 2013 Miley Cyrus. Nicki Minaj doesn't even acknowledge her 2010-2013 era anymore and it makes me so sad. That era happened to be her more "pop" sounding music at the time, and she seems ashamed to even acknowledge it anymore. It's sad cuz that's what MOST of her fans know her for. She won't even sing "Starships” anymore.

41 Comments
2024/04/28
04:27 UTC

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Was the late 90s a scary time to be alive and did this contribute to the rise of nu Metal?

I've always wondered how Nu metal was ever Abel to get so popular, and why it declined so quickly afterwards.

I was just watching an elder react to Korn video and one the people said that the 90s was an angst filled time because people didn't know what was going to happen when it reached 2000, I'm guessing because of Y2K.

I was alive in this period so I have no idea, but do you think there is any truth to this. It would make some sense I think as angst fuelled music did get bigger as it got later into the 90s, and then declined by 2010.

104 Comments
2024/04/27
22:46 UTC

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Why do live recordings of performances esp concert sounds so inferior to regular commercial releases by the same artists? Or at least very different? In addition despite this why do live TV broadcast of concerts and other shows still manage to sound as crystal clear as the stuff sold in stores?

I just finished listening to the 2014 Peach Music Festival live recording of The London Souls and god the singing sounds o inferior to what The London Sous have done on Youtube music videos and their regular CD albums and MP3 singles. For some reason the vocals are not crystal clear and the instruments they played also seem not to sound as smooth as in their regular commercial releases. I'm not even counting the static and garble I kept hearing throughout the whole album.

In addition I also listened to Queen's live performance at Wembly almost 40 years ago on Youtube. The overall quality is far better, about just as good as expected from Freddy Mercury. But yet despite that the singing and rock electric guitar feels very different from the studio releases.

I ask why does this seem the case for live recordings of performances esp concerts? Esp when the same shows are being broadcasted on TV live they sound just as crystal clear as they do on CD, vinyl, and MP3 files?

27 Comments
2024/04/27
19:48 UTC

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The Idiot - Iggy Pop

Hello everyone!

When I listen to this great album, I remember that Iggy said that this album was a mix between Kraftwerk and James Brown. The thing is, when I listen to it, I see much more influence from the Velvet Underground and Lou Reed. Mainly songs like Train Round the Bend and Oh Jim.

Even Iggy's voice is similar to Lou's on this album. But I repeat. I don't see any influence from Kraftwerk or James Brown. This album was the one that Ian Curtis listened to at the time of his suicide. And it shows that it had a lot of influence on the post punk and gothic rock scenes in England in the 80s.

My favorite song is Nightclubbing. That's right, the same one that appears in Danny Boyle's movie Trainspotting. Although I also like Funtime and Sister Midnight. I really like the nihilistic and dark tone of the album.

The title is inspired by a Dostoyevsky novel of the same name.

For those who don't know the album, I recommend it. It has a great sound. It was made around the time Bowie (who produced it) was planning his Berlin trilogy. Let's say that Bowie found Iggy in a bad state in Los Angeles, some time before, and took him to Europe to get him away from drugs (which didn't do much, but still helped).

This is not the only Iggy album produced by Bowie. Next up was Lust for Life, also recommended.

44 Comments
2024/04/27
16:34 UTC

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What artist in your opinion had the potential for a better album than what their discography ultimately delivered?

I'm not talking about artists who were cut down before they reached their potential, e.g. Buddy Holly, Otis Redding, etc. This thread isn't about artists who died suddenly

Rather, this is about artists who achieved a degree of success and career longevity. Their body of work may be considered good or even great, but you believe they had the potential to reach another level. For reasons (reasons not death), they didn't quite achieve that next gear.

Maybe the circumstances weren't right for them, or they made choices that held them back from fully realizing their creative potential.

It's a speculative question, one that maybe can't really ever be answered. And sure if you want to go there, you could make an argument that perhaps no real artist ever feels like they've reached their potential. Hey congrats, you're no fun /s

Let's have some fun with this. Think outside the box. This question could even apply to a band/artist that you admire. Share your hot takes

I'll post some in the comments to help get the discussion going

523 Comments
2024/04/26
13:24 UTC

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Music rating site primarily focused on singles/individual songs?

I know it's POSSIBLE to rate singles on RYM, but not many do. I'm a big fan of EDM (especially from before the 2000s) and want to discover more, but all the rating communities I've seen are based on albums and those just aren't as essential for dance as for some genres. I don't feel like they're giving me a full picture of dance music. I know some other genres are more singles-focused too.

Is there any site that has what I'm looking for?

21 Comments
2024/04/26
09:29 UTC

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What is the actual true difference between 80's pop and disco, if any??

My interest in music is quite recent (about 10 months) and until a while ago I thought these two were exactly the same. Now I can recognize that some songs, mainly in the end of the decade are pretty far from the very first concept of disco music, but most 80's pop songs just keep the same characteristics as 70's disco and, in my point of view, they're just being discriminated based on the year they came out. It's way more correct to group Boney M. with Whitney Houston than Prince with Taylor Swift, if you know what I mean. Am I the only one?

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2024/04/25
18:11 UTC

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General Discussion, Suggestion, & List Thread - Week of April 25, 2024

Talk about whatever you want here, music related or not! Go ahead and ask for recommendations, make personal list (AOTY, Best [X] Albums of All Time, etc.)

Most of the usual subreddit rules for comments won't be enforced here, apart from two: No self-promotion and Don't be a dick.

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2024/04/25
15:00 UTC

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What is your preferred way of discovering new music?

Hi there, I’m interested in uncovering this because I know everyone has different preferences and ways of discovering new music.

As of right now, the way I find new music is through Spotify radios for songs I already like. I usually find this as a great way to find new music without diving in headfirst at an artist I’ve never heard before. In addition to this I have to admit that TikTok is primarily my main source of hearing new music just by osmosis, it’s likely my most used social media and I can’t imagine exactly how many new sounds I must hear on there per day.

In the past, when I had more money, I would usually go to gigs or I’d buy physical records which looked interesting to me. I’d like to know what other people do and what there experience is when it comes to discovering new music. Thanks

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2024/04/25
13:12 UTC

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What happened to the 2000s emo/edgy rock fans?

In the 2000s there was a wide array of different rock bands falling into various genres like hard rock, punk-rock, nu-metal, post-grunge etc. I'm thinking obviously of Sum 41, Linkin Park, Three Days Grace, Trapt, etc. There was a huge appeal of these bands to emo/edgy kids.
Some of them bands are still around, albeit quite different. My question is, what happened to the fanbase? Did they all move on to EDM or something?

Edit: not sure why Im being downvoted. Did I break a rule?

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2024/04/25
08:40 UTC

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All of the music I like is chiefly made by black Americans.

I'm not black. I'm not American. I lead a very comfortable and quiet life in a very safe area of my city, region and the world.

I saw a video on the Kendrick Lamar subreddit about the new drake song with the AI Tupac and Snoop Dogg voices and how it is disrespectful to hip-hop culture and all that. I realised, at that point, how disconnected I am to the culture and environment in which a genre of music I really like was created. There was one comment about how drake was something like a Trojan horse, sent to destroy the culture, and I couldn't help but feel a little guilty about that. Am I diluting or destroying the culture by listening to hip-hop? By buying CDs? By going into online spaces like these and butting in with my opinions?

So then I thought about some of the other genres I like. Jazz, which I consider to be my favourite genre, came to mind. It was also born from black musicians in situations wildly different to my own. But nobody really bats an eye when a white guy says he likes Jazz anymore. Am I contributing to the theft of hip-hop from black people, like jazz was 100 or so years ago?

Literally every genre I listen to regularly: soul, rnb, hip-hop and jazz, was either invented or heavyly influenced by black people. And I don't know how to feel about that - am I appropriating it on a massive scale? Should I stop? If I stop, what can I listen to? Anglican hymns? Classical? Aussie folk rock? (actually I do love some Aussie folk rock from time to time but that's beside the point)

Maybe I'm stupid

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2024/04/25
06:54 UTC

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I just had a thought about a Pioneer in Rock and Roll Music: Buddy Holly

I was listening to "It Doesn't Matter Anymore" by Buddy. It was written specifically for Buddy by fellow early Rock and Roll artist Canadian Paul Anka. I learned that after Buddy died that Paul gave all the royalties of the song to Buddy's widow.

While I was listening to the song tonight it hit me that the style of music was different than what I had heard before. At least with Buddy Holly and the Crickets guitars, bass and drums were critical components of the music. When I listen to this recording I hear more orchestral arrangement. Was this a new direction that Buddy was heading into? Was he trying to expand his musical horizons? The recording was just released as a single and I don't know if Buddy or his label had intended for a full album. I tried to ask this question at the r/Buddy Holly group but you must get permission to post over there.

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2024/04/25
05:38 UTC

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Where is the best online community for new classic rock? Aka new wave of classic rock “NWOCR”?

I’m trying to go down the rabbit hole of finding PEOPLE who like certain types of bands. Think modern blues rock, modern rock, dirty rock, NWOCR. Bands like Rival Sons, Dirty Honey, Greta Van Fleet, Ace Monroe, Reignwolf, Larkin Poe, Marcus King, The Cold Stares. Basically bands that have a guitar-driven classic rock flare without being considered heavy metal or hair metal.

Spotify does a great job of helping me find similar artists. But where are the best places online to find other LISTENERS who like these types of bands and talk about them?

Any particular subreddits? Discord (which I’ve never used ha)? Facebook groups? Secret rock and roll Illuminati meetings??

Any recommendations are appreciated! Thanks in advance!

41 Comments
2024/04/25
00:02 UTC

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