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Is there a name of the "Tic Tic"-Pattern?

Is there a name for this typical spanisch/latin pattern which has a tic tic around the 2 and 4?

To clarify what I mean here are some example songs which has this beat:

One dance - Drake

Calm down - Rema & Selena Gomez

It would be so cool, if anybody has some knowledge about this! I'm looking forward to your answer

0 Comments
2024/06/30
14:33 UTC

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Baritone note

Hello so I am getting a tattoo inspired by my favorite singer Stan Rogers who has a baritone voice so I wanted to ask if there was a symbol if you will that means in music baritone

English isn't my language

5 Comments
2024/06/30
13:49 UTC

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Does the ballad in modern pop music have any relation to the ballade in classical music?

Does the modern pop ballad have its roots in the classical ballade, or is it just a naming coincidence?

0 Comments
2024/06/30
10:06 UTC

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What do you think would be less pop rhytmic tension in the verse and release in the chorus?

What do you think what is more common in pop?? Thank you

3 Comments
2024/06/30
11:10 UTC

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Are you ever worried that transcribing a song is gonna make you sick of it?

It's a lotta careful listening and repetition.. I mean, if you've seriously developed your relative pitch, then it perhaps could be quite trivial and done in an hour or less. But if you're a beginner like me, idk. I'm worried it's gonna sour my fav song

14 Comments
2024/06/30
10:52 UTC

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what would yall reccommend for my very basic goals

Im a hip-hop/ (new age) trap music producer and know scales n shit and play some piano (the usual know like 7 songs, enough to impress people, but its mostly muscle memory so you dont rlly know whats going on within the music). I guess you could say im a beginner because i know esssentially nothing technical about music.

All Im trying to develop is great composition skills that improves my coherent-ness, flow, structure and understanding when creating music, the ability to improvise fluently on piano as to help with real time composition (messing around til something sounds good) and overall melody creation workflow (chords, counter melodies etc.) and for fun as well as id like to just play around without sounding like shit lol.

I know what sounds good as i’ve consumed a lot of music my whole life and have been producing music for 6 years and i put together coherent music that sounds good, but my problem is i dont know whats going on (chord identification etc) and WHY it sounds good. If anyone can understand what im saying and can provide help on resources to start learning or just topics in general that i should research and learn on my own that can help me achieve these goals, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

3 Comments
2024/06/30
08:23 UTC

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can find rhythm, help please

i'm trying to compose a piece that has a specific rhythm, but i can for the life of me figure out how to notate it.

it starts out with six quavers, and then i just dont know what happens, it sounds relly simple and i think it's in 4/4 but i'm starting to doubt myself because everything i've tried writing out in musescore doesn't sound right. here's a recording of me tapping out a few bars of it.
https://voca.ro/1cxvnrR48Jbw

5 Comments
2024/06/30
07:36 UTC

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Should I play using equal or just temperament in an ensemble?

Playing in my university’s wind ensemble this year showed me a conundrum: do I play using equal or just temperament? In chamber music, when all the musicians are playing instruments whose intonation can be adjusted, playing with just temperament is optimal. However, when we play music with percussion instruments (piano, bells, or chimes for example), playing with just temperament would make the percussion instruments sound off. On the flip side, playing with equal temperament wouldn’t sound as nice.

This issue sounds like an enigma in all music… do any of you have ideas?

14 Comments
2024/06/30
07:15 UTC

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Is there a name for when the final note in a sequence / phrase is on the first beat of the next measure?

For example the phrase could be made up of 5 consecutive quarter notes. With the final note being on the first downbeat of the next measure with no other beats following.

Is there a name for this in music theory?

1 Comment
2024/06/30
04:17 UTC

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What Would It Be Called If You Made a Triad Chord With Chromatic Intervals (For Example C, C#, D)?

Was messing around on the piano when I made a chord with 3 chromatic intervals and was wondering what the proper term for it would be and if they are ever used.

1 Comment
2024/06/30
04:31 UTC

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Need helping finding the key of this chord progression

I wrote this chord progression for fun, and I found that some but not all of the notes in Bm sounded good so idrk what’s going on with it but yeah. Maybe it is just some B scale and I’m adding embellishments that sound weird?? Idk but here’s the progression: Em7b5 Em9 Dmaj7 Am7 Am6 Db7 Ddim7. If it’s relevant to anyone, I’m a guitarist btw

3 Comments
2024/06/30
06:57 UTC

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Parallel Key Change Songs - Ya know any ?

Hmmm, Peter Gabriel Sledgehammer comes to mind. This song starts out in Ebm then pulls a fast one and becomes Eb major. Then back to minor and at some point I think he even goes to B.

But yes, these kind of songs are so cool.

Would anybody else be kind enough to share a song they love because it swaps keys to a parallel minor / major counterpart ?

12 Comments
2024/06/30
06:49 UTC

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Noob ?: How to build Chords? From Keys or intervals alone?

New to music theory, please don't be mean... I'm very confused.

So, I've always built chords from major keys. For example... If I want C major, I go (in my head) C D E F G A B C. C major is C, E, G. 1st, 3rd, 5th. If I want Cminor, I just lower the 3rd by a semitone. I get C Eb G.

Now I see a chord like F#m7. If I want to build that, could I start with F# major scale: F# G# A# B C# D# F F#. Then, with the formula of minor 7th being:

  • minor seventh: Minor 3rd, Perfect 5th, Minor 7th above the root (or minor triad with a minor seventh)

I'll get F# A C# E

So... in order to build chords, I've been using the major scale at first, then working my way to use the formula for the chords...

But chords aren't in "keys" so using a Major scale it doesn't relate...

but my question is... if chords aren't inherently in any given key... how do you find the "3rd" "5th" intervals? Aren't the intervals based off the major scale from which the chord comes?

Thanks for clarifying! How do you build chords?

13 Comments
2024/06/30
03:05 UTC

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When do I apply the interval intonation correction???

10 Comments
2024/06/30
02:24 UTC

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What recognisable melodies do you use to identify intervals?

I know the first interval of Rudolf the red nose reindeer is a major second and Harry Potter themes first interval is a perfect fourth but do you guys have any suggestions for identifying the other intervals like this? Thanks!

24 Comments
2024/06/29
23:32 UTC

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Trying to analyze a cool progression

I heard a chord progression that I've fallen in love with, and I want to figure out why it's so pleasing to listen to, however, I have very little Roman numeral analysis experience. How would one go about analyzing the following, and what makes it such an interesting progression?

G, Gaug/D#, C#maj7 (C#), G#, D#, G

Edit: Forgot to attach the video !

4 Comments
2024/06/29
22:52 UTC

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What is the chord progression in Taking a Walk - Trippie Redd

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PvcHwwXtpu0

The key is Bb major according to tune bat. I hear 1-7-6

1 Comment
2024/06/29
22:10 UTC

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Is a genre of music better defined by instrumentation or by a style with which it is written?

In general, I tend to classify a song into a genre of music by what instruments are present. (Classical uses orchestras, rock uses guitar, etc) However, some outliers have me questioning how effective this classification is. Some songs I would generally consider "pop" use orchestras, and some more "classical" feeling pieces use more atypical instruments more akin to those used in other genres. I would just like to get a scope of what others opinions are.

35 Comments
2024/06/29
21:51 UTC

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How does circle of fifths work backwards?

I’ve been somewhat familiar with circle of fifths for years now but never understood their full potential and I don’t understand how circle functions backwards with fourths. So it goes up a fifth from C to G and then another fifth to D etc but when it goes backwards it’s fourths right? But the fourths going backwards are going up also. For some reason my brain is confused and thinks going backwards in the circle should mean going down a fourth but it’s actually going up in fourths when you follow circle backwards.

My main question is, on the circle when you go backwards from C to F to Bb etc, is that considered going up in fourths or down in fifths or is it both (depending on if you want to go up in fourths or down fifths)?

Thanks!

37 Comments
2024/06/29
20:22 UTC

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Phrasing, bar length, section length

Sorry it's me again asking about ballads.

I'm transcribing a lot of ballads (examples below) and from listening to their melodic form, it seems more natural to me to hear them in bars with 2 beats each, rather than a 4-beat-bar.

From Ryan Leach's YouTube videos I've gathered that melodic phrases usually happen in 2 bars, and then that 2 bars gets repeated or contrasted etc depending on period or sentence form. Ending up with 8-bar sections.

So with the songs I'm working on, if each bar has 4 beats (if written in standard 4/4), then the phrases become 1-bar long, and sections become 4-bars long. That seems odd to me.

If I do 2-beat-bars (either 2/2 or 2/4), then it looks like what I described in Ryan Leach's videos (2-bar phrase, 8-bar section).

Examples like this and this

Each beat being around 70 bpm. Do you think 2-beat or 4-beat bars make more sense to you?

And if we're doing 2 beats, would 2/4 or 2/2 work better?

Sorry again for asking all these questions. When I'm in "learning mode" my brain just goes nuts lol

PS. As a reference, the other ballads I'm working on that are in 6/8 are in 2-beat bars (by definition), and do follow the 2-bar idea and 8-bar section structure.

7 Comments
2024/06/29
20:12 UTC

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Help me identify this chord

So I'm writing some stuff on Musescore while I find chords with my guitar. So I play a D half-dim, then a D full-dim and then i mix them together and I don't know how to call it. the chord is : (X - D - Ab - C - F - B). Ive thought of DØ6 (half-dim with a major sixth) or D°7(7) (full-dim with a minor 7th). What do you think ?

10 Comments
2024/06/29
20:05 UTC

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Chord relations

What are the "rules" for what chords lead into other chords? Like typically, what's more common for a VI to go to. And a VII chord. And the iii chord etc. Where could I find this information

13 Comments
2024/06/29
18:38 UTC

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Gerudo Valley

So I'm studying music theory. And I watched this video talking about Gerudo Valley from Zelda. The piece is in F# minor The chord progression being used goes from i - VI - VII - V How is the V chord a major chord? In that key, the V is supposed to be minor I think, so how was it able to go major? It doesn't sound bad it's sounds good, but what's the theory behind this?

12 Comments
2024/06/29
18:36 UTC

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App or exercise to learn chords roman numerals in multiple keys

I would like to learn and memorize the chords in most common keys. I’m looking for an app or online tool to practice this. For example an exercise like: What chords correspond to a IV V ii chord progression in Bb major. Or what scale degree is F in Bb major key. Or F G C is a chord progression in C major, what would be the equivalent of this progression if we transposed to G major. Anyone know of a exercise tool for that?

12 Comments
2024/06/29
17:55 UTC

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what's the math psychology whatever behind BPMs? for example are even numbers more natural? or multiples of two/ four/ five? are popular songs often at certain bpms?

wondering if like say i played a song at 73 instead of 75 if there's some kind of math psychology? my guitarist said there's a theory that says to avoid some BPMs because it's a number that like clashes with our natural human society rhythm. baloney?

58 Comments
2024/06/29
16:19 UTC

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What chord is this functionally?

https://youtu.be/GAhBQH0Kf1I?si=7lSrhlRGn0TC2_YL

At about 0:04, I think that is the V/V chord, D# major in the key of C# but then it like lowers the fifth so its D# Fx A

How would you label this functionally?

Or just generally how would I describe it theoretically

And at 0:10, theres this other odd chord, its like a C augmented 7 or something. Or E major b6. I dont know. Please help me

2 Comments
2024/06/29
16:07 UTC

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Help me out! I don't know how to music

I just got notion, and as I am decent with lyrics I just don't understand how to put it out into piano (I have zero clue about music) and id likr some mini tips that helped make your music sound good (im HUGE in harmony) help?

11 Comments
2024/06/29
16:00 UTC

3

What ratio of instrument practice to music theory studying?

I am talking about actively getting a book out or actively learning about scale of fifths etc.

18 Comments
2024/06/29
15:54 UTC

1

What note is this high note?

Hi could someone please let me know what the highest note this lady sings in here is?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8s2nr0_P1M&t=25s

(Welcome to the 60s - Hairspray (playoff))

specifically the note she sings when everyone applauds.

3 Comments
2024/06/29
14:41 UTC

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Can we determine key of any genre song with pentatonic position on guitar ?

https://preview.redd.it/ydb1q6n0rh9d1.png?width=1642&format=png&auto=webp&s=0049d330c8cca01ee3f4c54044fdbdb35e9263d3

So i am trying to find numerous ways to determine the key of any song in particular. I was trying to play most common major scale pattern but then it's only for major not for minor but then i came across this video on yt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1a74c-9m6M (song by ear) where he shows the pentatonic positions to get the key of a song but i am wondering this will be only useful in determining the key of rock, blue metal songs only (open for any other suggestion too to get the right key)

4 Comments
2024/06/29
10:54 UTC

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