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Need help with analysing a prog rock album

Hello, I’m an 18 year old uni student and I took up an introductory western music course to fulfil my fine arts requirement and we’ve to analyse the album thick as a brick (https://open.spotify.com/album/37Zms3u6Da41sizguIcn6M?si=x15W_bhhT12g7yXutpq_Gg) by jethro Tull for an assignment.

The prof gave 4 specific questions related to musical features, form, instrumentation and lyrical analysis, not for the whole album but for specific songs, only one for each q-will share in dm. I can do lyrical analysis by myself but need help w the others.

If anyone’s willing to help with the assignment please dm I’ll be suuuper grateful. I’ve missed most of the classes (it’s a 2 month course and we only have 2 classes a week) due to being extremely sick for a while so I couldn’t learn much abt music theory. I don’t really have time now since I have harder subjects (which are actually related to my major) to prepare for.

0 Comments
2024/02/26
09:55 UTC

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Inversion naming conventions

Is there some trick to this? 2nd inversion is easy because it's a 5th like Cmaj7/G , 3rd inversion a little more difficult because it's either a half or whole beneath the root, but 1st inversion is literally needing to learn a whole circle major and minor thirds....

Well I guess you could use deductive reasoning, if it says Cmaj7/X and it's not a G or a B then you know it's first inversion idk

1 Comment
2024/02/26
09:15 UTC

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Help I’m lost and spreading myself thin

Hey, I mainly play guitar however would like to call myself a multi instrumentalist, trying to find my “voice” at the same time mainly like bluegrass style, folk country style branching off into reggae and other hippy shit. However I can’t really sit myself in a genre. Nor find my voice and when I do I lose it. I have a handful of djembes, didgeridoo flutes etc and could even work towards soundsscape Working on trying to write my own songs as well. Am I trying to hard to write? Am I not trying enough? Why is composing an actual song a pain? I can’t hire a producer nor have many friends who are as deeply as involved as I am. I’ve been wanting to learn to put it together in a daw or looper (starting using loopy pro) but the workflow gets in my way I guess until I figure it out more. I just want to create, and want to be able to vibe. I can’t write without the tuneage and what not in my head. I don’t even care to write if I could just lay down some good jams. But until then I sound like a horror circus. I’ve been on ableton and got sucked into trying to produce edm. But that’s computer work to me. Not jamming. Can you help me make up my mind. I’m spreading myself thin just trying to create something that sounds half decent and don’t know where to put my focus.

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2024/02/26
09:09 UTC

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I may have found a cool Locrian chord progression

So I was noodling with Locrian and found this progression: IVmin7, IImaj7sus4, VIImin7(#5), and finally Imin7(b5). I think it sounds good. What do you think?

0 Comments
2024/02/26
03:43 UTC

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Music Theory in Music production

hey guys it's been a year into music production (using a DAW) and I'm still struggling with music theory. I do have an understanding about scales, chord progressions, etc. but I still feel I'm lost and need a better understanding in music theory, identifying keys, root notes, how instruments should be played together in the same key etc. so I'm looking for a music theory online course that could really teach me the theory, would really appreciate some recommendations or guidance

0 Comments
2024/02/26
09:00 UTC

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Minor Keys

I’m doing online lessons and they are referring to the minor key as the I chord. Am I wrong to think it’s easier to view it as either a II, VI or III? Eg, if I’m playing in Natural minor(Aeolian), if I think of it as the VI, then I can still view the rest of chords in the key as they normally are in major (The VII remains diminished, I is major, etc). But if I call it the I chord, then I now must remember the II is diminished, the III is now major, etc.

Also, the chords that give Aeolian its flavor are the IV and V chords of its relative Major. So that means for the key of Natural minor, a VI IV V sounds good. For Dorian, a II IV V, Phrygian a III IV V. But if we call the minor key center a I, then we have to keep track of what the IV and V chords change to.

Does this make sense? Basically I’m finding it easier to think of everything in terms of the parent major scale. So, for soloing in A Dorian, I start on the A but navigate the scale like it’s a G major scale.

But I don’t want to stunt my growth if this is a bad way to interpret things.

Thanks in advance.

1 Comment
2024/02/25
23:53 UTC

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I’m looking to make some fun but spooky Halloween music! Give me any musical idea or music theory concept that will help me capture the vibe of fun and spooky Halloween music melodically and harmonically!

Some of the genres I want to do for this project will be jazz , prog, videgame 8-bit, classical, and electronic

4 Comments
2024/02/26
05:58 UTC

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Feedback on sheet music tattoo

https://preview.redd.it/5w1hwmqosukc1.png?width=1341&format=png&auto=webp&s=dfb7ca5107c54df988cac123aa249a96b236e573

I've been thinking about getting the above image as a tattoo for a long time, and I wanted some feedback from people here regarding the actual notation. These two bars are of the main hook lead in the song Something Comforting by Porter Robinson. It's an EDM song so there's not really any official sheet music out for it so this is an arrangement I did myself, which is why I'd like opinions on how well transcribed this is. I know that the notes and the rhythm are correct, but I'm wondering if there are any embellishments that could be added (like slurs or something). I guess I'm just asking for feedback since it's not an official notation.

If you don't know the song, here's a link to it which starts the video at the time that the melody comes in. Thanks in advance!

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2024/02/26
04:07 UTC

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HALLELUJAH : Leonard’s III versus Rufus’ iii

Much ink has been spilt over this song, but I have never seen or heard anything about the elephant in the room: the original piece contains a secondary dominant going to the relative minor on the “baffled king” line. Jeff Buckley and all other cover versions I have investigated all play that iconic Five-Of-Six chord.

However, in the Rufus Wainwright version, he plays a minor chord (Em) instead.

Why?

https://youtu.be/BHOfvsvvnXA?si=xlZBlu4nwkSYk8i7

1 Comment
2024/02/26
03:08 UTC

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Is this song in the Harmonic Minor Scale?

3 Comments
2024/02/26
01:33 UTC

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what is the cadence I6 to I

help

10 Comments
2024/02/26
01:12 UTC

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What key is this chord progression in (I'd say E or A minor but I'm not sure)

6 Comments
2024/02/26
00:50 UTC

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how do i fix having little to no rhythm as a beginner guitarist?

i've been playing guitar since august and I know some basic chords & riffs but the issue is I have very little rhythm. staying in time with a metronome is hard & I always end up playing faster than it (and then overcorrecting and playing slower than it). i can't find anything to help because it seems like everyone has a better grasp on rhythm than I do. any advice?

21 Comments
2024/02/26
00:40 UTC

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What kind/format/style of songs are these?

I don’t know if this is the right sub to ask but I need help finding the “style” or “type” these songs classify as. Hangar 18- Megadeth, JTS/Fairies Wear Boots- Black Sabbath, Transylvania+To Tame a Land- Iron Maiden, and The Call of Ktulu- Metallica.

I understand Ballad is an example but I’m having trouble with the different song formats if you understand what I’m saying.

Those songs I describe as 6min, little vocals, more about the rhythm, not really stoner/sludge. No key changes. Any information would be appreciated.

0 Comments
2024/02/26
00:27 UTC

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7

Assuming this is 7/4, but I'm curious if anyone has ever seen a time signature like this where it just has 1 number!

11 Comments
2024/02/26
00:26 UTC

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Thoughts on scales for ambient music?

Hi all. Any thoughts on what scales modes etc are appropriate for ambient music. I know it's a bit anathema to even talk about such things for ambient, but here I am, thinking about it. I really like phrygian, although lydian being more major feels better. Anyone else? Feel free to roast!

5 Comments
2024/02/25
23:45 UTC

9 Comments
2024/02/25
23:37 UTC

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I need help with harmonies

Hey there~ I’m trying to make a cover of Tracing that Dream by YOASOBI with a voice software called VOCALOID, but I’m struggling extremely bad with the harmonies or doubles. I tried listening multiple times to the original song, covers from other users, and I still can’t figure out how to make something decent. Idk if I’m not being able to listen the harmony or if there’s something that I’m not taking in count. As you can see, I’m still learning, and if someone can help me, I’ll be eternally thankful :D

2 Comments
2024/02/25
23:18 UTC

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Tie Notation?

7 Comments
2024/02/25
23:05 UTC

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Tempo Primo?

I have a problem with some tempo markings in opera scores. I find the instruction 'tempo primo' particularly difficult. In The New Grove Dictionary Of Music And Musicians, I found the following explanation:

“After a change of tempo in the course of a composition, the indication tempo primo directs that its opening pace is to be resumed.”

What exactly is meant by 'opening pace'? The tempo at the beginning of the act?

5 Comments
2024/02/25
22:58 UTC

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Is abrsm grade 6-8 theory worth it

I did my grade 5 music theory quite a long time ago. I play 3 instruments and I love music. I am now into composing. Should I take grade 6-8 theory? Is it actually going to help me gain more advance knowledge?

0 Comments
2024/02/25
22:57 UTC

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From Mozart K448 g minor piano quartett, how would I analyze this passage in terms of common practice period harmony?

https://preview.redd.it/5kwh287n6tkc1.png?width=1212&format=png&auto=webp&s=69409f0fe3c3731cc3c9c20ecf6d588a7a8ff740

For context stuff, we are pretty clearly in the key of B flat major before and after this weird passage. The chords of the measure after the last one visible are I6, IV, V64-53 and I in B flat major.

2 Comments
2024/02/25
22:37 UTC

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PLEASE HELP!!!

I do not understand this part in my harmony book. In C major, IV6/IV would be DFBb… Why is this what shows up? Why did the book write this chord and not allow me to analyze? Please help!!!

9 Comments
2024/02/25
22:23 UTC

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arranging help

I'm trying to arrange Sarah Kinsley's Oh No Darling and am having a really hard time coming up with harmonizing parts, specifically the pre-chorus part I've attached. The melody is the top part, and the two harmony parts are below that. I don't really know any music theory (as evident in the sheet music I tried to write lol, please don't mind it!) so if anyone could help me clarify the voice parts, it would be very appreciated!

https://preview.redd.it/xzsu8vs3grkc1.png?width=1160&format=png&auto=webp&s=b1b28c81e6adda9bac234f6d16fd14d10dc210fb

https://preview.redd.it/2taw4vs3grkc1.png?width=1126&format=png&auto=webp&s=2708852b4aaf6e9c11b70fa3e3d00d7e34520093

https://preview.redd.it/u99jlus3grkc1.png?width=812&format=png&auto=webp&s=02afdd47ed35ef144aec4cde9e721c0a803ed4f4

1 Comment
2024/02/25
16:48 UTC

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Need page 845 of "The Musician's Guide to Theory and Analysis, 4th Edition", please

Hey, I am reading the book and saw that page 845 of my copy MGTA 4e from Jane Piper Clendinning and Elizabeth West Marvin is completely unusable due to heavily smeared ink across the whole page. Does anyone of you guys have the book and can send me a photo of it? I'd like to print it out and glue it onto the damaged page. A quick phone camera shot is okay. Would really appreciate it.

2 Comments
2024/02/25
14:30 UTC

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is there any data on which modes (scales) are the most used in pop music (the top 40) ?

i already know that major minor and mixolydian are overepresented but i d like to have some data on it cause there s still LOTS of hits (that we all know) wrote in unusual scales.

exemples i like are :

  • billie eilish's bad guy and bury a friend. they were hits a few years ago and are very clearly in harmonic minor.
  • uptown funk by mark ronson which was in dorian.
  • etc.

also my question is about the MODES (lydian, phrygian, etc.) not the specific keys (C major, A minor, etc.). dont come in the comments stating the obvious like C major and G major are the most used keys. we all know that.

17 Comments
2024/02/25
11:16 UTC

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What is Metric Delineation's and Tempo's order?

Would the numerical delineation in complex meter go before or after the tempo marking like this?

After Tempo

Before Tempo

4 Comments
2024/02/25
20:45 UTC

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What are some famous songs that use augmented chords?

I've been exploring augmented and diminished and I was wondering, which songs use these chords?

11 Comments
2024/02/25
17:25 UTC

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Metal music made hiphop

There's a style of hip-hop/trap music called rage music (named after miss the rage by trippie redd and playboy carti) where they use power chords (or similar spaced out chords) on electronic sounds and I want to make it sound as metal as possible with a metal- style chord progression. What exactly should I do? Also I don't know how to read guitar tabs so there's that.

1 Comment
2024/02/25
20:34 UTC

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