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Scale ID

Is there a special name for a Phrygian scale with a raised 3rd and 7th? I’ve heard it a few times now and it has such a cool sound.

5 Comments
2024/12/02
03:25 UTC

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(Its in concert pitch) what would you call this progression, or how would you name it?

I was messing around composing and absolutely loved the chord this progression landed on, but I'm not so good at choral music theory to identify it myself

12 Comments
2024/12/02
02:11 UTC

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What key is this in?

5 Comments
2024/12/02
00:39 UTC

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Question about harmonizing terminology

I’ve seen a few guitar lessons on YouTube that refer to playing lines that involve stuff like xxx7x7 as “harmonizing in sixths.” The thing is, it seems like the top note is invariably the main melody in these instances, so I would think of it as harmonizing in thirds, albeit inverted thirds. Is it considered more correct to call it one or the other?

8 Comments
2024/12/02
00:12 UTC

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French Baroque: How long is that rest

6 Comments
2024/12/01
22:39 UTC

17

Question with music

So I’m playing a song for my school concert I’m still kinda new and this is my first time seeing it but what does this mean

31 Comments
2024/12/01
22:29 UTC

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Why do the accidentals go where they go in the key signature?

Apologies if this has been asked already but I'm struggling to find anything on here or google and unsure if I'm just phrasing it wrong (I've tried phrasing it a few ways!), but I'm currently in the early-ish stages of re-learning music theory after about 15 years out and I'm remembering stuff as I go but remembering an old irritation I had when I'm looking at practice tests to gauge the sort of thing they ask.

Circle of fifths mastered/understood/remembered, how do I spot when a key signature is written "wrong"? A question at grade 5 in practice test specifically asks to pick the key signature that is written "correctly", but is written in 4 clefs, with the correct notes, but not always on the correct ledger lines and I've come to the conclusion that, much like my piano teacher kept telling me when I was annoyed as a child, I just have to memorise their positions.

But I was never given real clarity as to *why* they sit where they sit. If I could understand that I know it would help me learn better/find myself a rule to help me memorise better. My husband found something about it making it easier, from a sight reading perspective, to see which clef it's in, but in my head it still doesn't clear it up for me, because I don't understand *why*, for example, you'd put F on the top ledger line and not the first space in treble clef.

Again if there's not a real answer maybe I'm just out of luck and need to go away and get over it, but I know it would help my learning a little.

17 Comments
2024/12/01
21:25 UTC

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What’s the deal with Schenkarian analysis?

I hear about it occasionally but have never looked into it seriously, can anyone provide a short explanation? I remember it being something to with things being distilled to few important harmony points through a piece.

29 Comments
2024/12/01
20:15 UTC

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How do I determine if a song has a duple or triple meter just by listening to it?

So like let’s say you have to this song, how do I know just from listening to it if there is a duple or triple meter?

12 Comments
2024/12/01
19:12 UTC

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That descend to D in 'We built this city'

First of all, I don't know much about music theory at all. I come from a musical family and have decent relative pitch and music feel, but actual theory: zilch.

Right before the line "Marconi plays the mamba", we descend from F (which we've been in the entire time) to E to D (, and later C). This feels.. intruigingly different from the rest of the progression of the song, like something's done musically different from what's normally expected. I just don't have the knowledge to put a name to it. Is anything special going on? I mean in the sense of something like: "an unexpected shift from major to minor" or some weird thing, I'm not sure I'm making sense here at all... But if anyone can tell me anything of note about this bit. It intruigues the f outta me.

7 Comments
2024/12/01
19:02 UTC

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Is there any online tool where you can practice to hear the base note of a chord?

I want to be able to identify all the notes when played together, and espically the base. Is there any online tool for it?

8 Comments
2024/12/01
18:04 UTC

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Do you have any tricks to help me?

I have a final coming up and I still can’t remember the difference between Monophonic, Homophonic, Polyrhythmic, and Homorhythmic. Even looking at definitions I STILL get confused and haven’t found anything to help me! This test is worth 60% of my grade and I know for a fact that those will be on it…

12 Comments
2024/12/01
17:57 UTC

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Is this the correct way to insert rests?

I’m struggling with where to put them, because my teacher said that there was a way to “match up” the rests with the notes by value? I’m very confused please help 😭

46 Comments
2024/12/01
08:46 UTC

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How to start?

Like from scratch? How to learn guitar paino ?

8 Comments
2024/12/01
08:32 UTC

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Is there a chord progression ear training app that asks you to guess the chord AND the inversion?

Teoria's Harmonic Progression exercise asks me to not only identify the chord in the progression, but also what inversion is played. I am liking this but I wish there was more flexibility. Is there another app like Teoria's that allows me the ability to set how many chords are played in a row and select what degree chords I am tested on? For instance Teoria allows me to select "I, IV, V" degree triads for an exercise session but is there an app that would allow me to select "i, III, v, VII"? Many apps have root position only chord progression ear trainers and separate chord inversion practice but is there an app that just gives a chord progression with inversions where I would have to say each chord that was played and specify each chord's inversion?

3 Comments
2024/12/01
08:23 UTC

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Studying 4 part voice leading, need some ressources about Sixth chords

Hello, so I know a bunch of you guys will start by telling me that I have the wrong approach to study classical 4 part harmony and particularly voice leading. I am open to criziticism on how to learn things, but at the same time, I need things to make sens in my world in order to process them correctly.

I was watching a french classical harmony teacher talk about the basics of 4 part harmony and the most common voicing we find.

So he showed a bunch of closed voicing and open voicing in root position. Then he showed a bunch of closed voicing and open voicing in 1st inversion.

He then talked about voice leading specifically in the context of root position chords in both closed and open voicing, which I wrote down in a google sheet.

https://preview.redd.it/hczlf66ep44e1.png?width=2463&format=png&auto=webp&s=dd7703334e4a8fe0ed34345e0c0d74f6e1ffc030

(the screenshot is cut, there is a few more positions at the far right). The screenshot present all the movement when a root position chord is moving to third below it.

He talked about other movements, a fifth above, a fifth below etc.

But then, when it was time to study 1st inversion chords, he gave us the common positions, but then started right away talking about voice leading in specific movements. Like V6 to I, or V to I6 etc

I loved this knowledge and would like to find ressources, books, masterclass with teacher that go in extreme dept about this subject.

I would also appreciate that you suggest me a few classical pieces that come to mind to study such voicing. I have a playlist of my own, with some Mahler, shostakovitch etc. but I didn't start hunting for scores yet

Thanks to those who will take this question seriously

2 Comments
2024/12/01
00:11 UTC

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Is it consider lazy/ bad to just use an octave up for a harmony?

I have been trying to do a cover of Lauv's "I like me better when I'm with you" using vocal synths and I have listened to that chorus section over and over and over again and the only thing I can pull from it was that he just autotuned the chorus to be an octave up. Which I know technically singing a part an octave up is not really a harmony since it is just the same notes at a higher frequencies, but if the original singer just did that would it really be consider lazy of me to do the same thing?

41 Comments
2024/12/01
07:50 UTC

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Want to get started with counterpoint? The first of /r/Counterpoint's species tutorials.

I'm making an instructional series on /r/Counterpoint to help get people started on species counterpoint and hopefully demystify some of the process. Counterpoint is one of best ways to hone your compositional skills and to learn how to use melody.

To that end, I present to you a thread I put together discussing what a cantus firmus is and how to write one. Many counterpoint resources start you off straight away with writing two-voice textures, but learning to write for a single voice is a great way to work on handling melodic dissonance and balancing phrasing. I hope you find it useful, and feel free to drop your attempts in the comments. I'll try to evaluate them for you.

0 Comments
2024/12/01
07:21 UTC

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Do you know any other approach that frames ii's (and its extensions, such as ii65) as IV anyway?

There is just one book I have encountered which interprets ii and its extensions, such as ii65, as IV anyway. The term used in the book is 'function IV', written in a square box mostly, that also includes ii. In other words, there is no ii and they are IV, function IV, regardless of the mod (the same in major or minor).

I'm using that book in my private teaching setting, due to students' target universities' curriculum. However, I haven't encountered this approach in any other theory book nor in texts (articles, even not in youtube videos etc.)

Is it completely novel or is it present in other theorists' outputs as well, please?

Thank you

7 Comments
2024/12/01
06:47 UTC

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need help with rules for grouping rests

so multiple sources say that when you add a rest next to a note you can only add rests that are equal to or less than the note. so for 6/8 with a quaver you need to add two quaver rests next to it instead of a crotchet.

to my understanding this triumphs the rule where you're supposed to use as little rests as possible. my book also follows this rule but when i did it according to that my teacher marked it as wrong and said that the rule isn't used anymore. and said if i use it in an ABRSM exam they would mark it wrong.

but why would the book be wrong?? it's a recent edition so did the rules change suddenly? i'm very confused especially since even multiple online sources follow the same rule...

4 Comments
2024/12/01
06:02 UTC

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Any recommendations for hulusi pieces?

My hulusi is in G key btw

0 Comments
2024/12/01
03:18 UTC

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What chord progression does this melody imply?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-eSP0aEj-Q

The song seems to be in G major. Now, this is hard rock so it's all power chords from what I can tell, but I bet the melody implies more harmony than that. I'm wondering what fuller triad chords I could strum to this that wouldn't sound awkward. BTW there aren't any decent chord sheets for this song. I'm also especially wondering what's happening during the bridge at 1:46, since chord sheets seem to get this part especially wrong.

Thanks so much.

6 Comments
2024/12/01
02:50 UTC

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Key change is Tarrega's Capricho Arabe

I've been playing this piece for years and always really liked the way it moved from D Maj back to d minor. I went to look at what Tarrega did here and realized that if you just move the key signature over one measure it seems to make more sense.

Is there a reason that the key change would be where it is? It seems to be clearer the way I've got it in the second image.

Edit: Title should be: Key change in Tarrega's Capricho Arabe, oops.

Second Edit: I tried to include the pictures, but it seems it didn't take, here's links: https://imgur.com/rIH3hB7 https://imgur.com/YXpyqXg

3 Comments
2024/12/01
02:26 UTC

0

Anyone know if this song has a slightly downtuned instrumental?

And if so, how downtuned is it?

Just having trouble as I'm trying to cover the song and no chords work.

Low - Just Like Christmas

3 Comments
2024/12/01
01:06 UTC

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Need help analyzing the harmony in this song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9753Oos3SUs

I've been trying to analyze this certain song but I've been having troubles identifying the chords around 0:30-0:37 and at 1:08.

It seems to be in F with frequent modulations to C and then back but I can't figure out how they get back to F.

Could anybody help me identify them and possibly tell me how you figured it out?

1 Comment
2024/12/01
00:44 UTC

0

What is this harmonic progression known as?

https://preview.redd.it/kxlbpme5s44e1.png?width=452&format=png&auto=webp&s=4a6cb03288db90b7b145f44617cf9b1bd2cc2954

I need to write a quick Opening for a Talk Show. This progression seems to be very interesting, but there is another talk show that already uses it exactly. Could anyone suggest any harmonic progression that has a similar effect?

8 Comments
2024/12/01
00:24 UTC

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Music theory (chord) progression

Hey i'm new here and i've been thinking to post this for a while now but i wanted to figure things out for myself first and then come back if i were stuck so here i am. So i'd like to give some context first so you might better understand where my questions are coming from so you could help me with a more nuanced answer, since i do know some music theory stuff already but i'm not sure how much that is compared to the grand scheme of things.

So i love to listen to music and since i have perfect pitch i then always love to play detective and figure out what notes are being played and then in what key the music is and so I got very interessed into japanese music because it sounds very uplifting and the way they make their music makes it a nice challenge to figure out what notes are being played and because it sounds like they use everything in their arsenal to make it sound very harmonic and holistic, makes their sound very rich in flavor. Correct me if i'm wrong but is it very Jazz influenced?

So i went to the conservatory when i was 8 and studied classical music on the piano and music theory for 7 years but everything was in dutch but after those years i didn't really do much with music besides listening 24/7. (Luckily i do remember everything i was taught)

I'm 31 now and started to dabble into making japanese vocaloid/jpop music and so I have been researching and translating the dutch terms to english to learn more about chord progressions and wow it's like a whole new world and it's amazing!

But the problem i'm facing right now is that i know bits and pieces of the big puzzle but it's not enough to make the whole picture, i believe i lack some serious fundamental knowledge about chords and even more terms but i don't know where to start and if i'm progressing in the right way because right now it feels like i'm learning step 7 and then 13 and then 4 and then 19.

So for example a few hours ago i read some stuff about sus chords and where they're supposed to be used in songs and then i jump to tonic, dominant & subdominant chords which i don't get yet and I just think I lack structure on how to progress.

So now my questions are:

- Is there a correct way of learning chord progressions? Like a step by step from basic and further? Should i focus on western chord progression first? Or immediately go to the japanese side of things?

- I'm also trying to listen to the music more in a structured way as in what chords are used and if they're used only in the intro or chorus etc. so i can slowly figure out what the general 'guidelines' are into making songs. Is this a good way or shouldn't i do that? are there any tips on how i should listen to the music or what i should be alert of while listening?

- I also think i need to learn about the structures of making a song perhaps?

- I figured i should study up on Jazz because i think that's where i could learn the most if it comes to chords and transitional chords etc. And if so where do i even start?

- Or is my way thinking way too fixed? Because my way of thinking and doing things is very methodical and i wonder if that's exactly my problem why i'm stuck?

- Should I go back and research some classical music? Would that help?

My apologies for the long post but i wanted to make it as clear as possible so i can learn more and better and i have no idea what flair i have to pick

So thanks in advance!

4 Comments
2024/12/01
00:14 UTC

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I searched the internet for 4 hours, still no answer

87 Comments
2024/11/30
23:59 UTC

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Is it normal to want to use 1-3-5 position when using waltz pattern (piano)?

Hitting the low note with the pinky sounds unstable on some inversions. But on the other hand if you keep it in 1-3-5 you have to jump around a bit more. I mean I don't mind the sound of it myself but I'm wondering what other people generally do?

13 Comments
2024/11/30
21:47 UTC

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