I often wonder how human society would have evolved if nobody had ever been an arsehole, but the scope of the alternate outcomes is just too vast to get my head around if you truly go right back. So I figured a brain itch like this makes an ideal debate on a forum like this!

After multiple "what-ifs" on this subreddit, I finally have an idea for my first true alternate history post.

It is 1994. Kim Il-sung is dead. His son, Kim Jong-un, assumes power amidst a famine that only worsens as time passes, just as in real life.

By 1996, said famine is now well-known to the world; and protests are raging, not just in Pyongyang, but nationwide. In a shocking move, Kim Jong-un responds by using biological and chemical weapons on the protestors, killing millions.

The international community obviously condemns such brazen massacres of innocents, and the United Nations accordingly passes a unilateral resolution expelling North Korea from the organization and all its bodies. It then sanctions a total invasion of the country to be led by the United States and South Korea, over the veto of China and Russia, among others.

The ensuing war proves to be extremely lopsided, lasting a month or two at the very least. North Korea is no match for its more technologically advanced foes, who also take advantage of their air superiority to destroy all its military factories with brutal bombing runs. The war ends when a multinational special forces detachment captures Kim Jong-un just as he is attempting to flee Pyongyang.

In the aftermath, Kim, his entire family, and all members of Workers' Party of Korea are tried for and convicted of various war crimes and crimes against humanity and executed. Meanwhile, millions of ex-North Koreans flee to neighboring China.

The United Nations then announces that the entire territory will become a protectorate under its control for fifteen years, during which it will be fully demilitarized and its remaining population reeducated. After the period ends, it will be fully handed over to South Korea, finally reunifying the peninsula under the democratic regime.

Operation Sea Lion is launched and is an immediate success.

Nazi Germany has won the Battle of Britain. England lies defenceless, the RAF is utterly defeated. The Nazi hordes swarm across the channel and although they are met with fierce resistance, British morale is low and without air support the British Army is overwhelmed and defeated in a shockingly quick time.

London is encircled and Churchill surrenders. He is sent to the Tower of London and held, awaiting trial as a war criminal.

The King and the Royal Family are smuggled out of the country on one of the last boats to leave a free Britain, bound for Canada.

Meanwhile, in Walmington-on-Sea, the Home Guard, a motley collection of old men; sickly mummies-boys; medical exemptions and conscientious objectors are the small seaside town’s last and only line of defence. The order comes down the line to surrender but the Platoon’s leader, a crazed patriot called Captain George Mainwaring, refuses to acknowledge this and orders his men to fight on, if need be, to the death, rather than laying down their arms.

Accepting that his men have little chance in facing down battle hardened SS troops and Panzers, Mainwaring orders his men to quickly forage for as many supplies and weapons as possible and to head for the countryside from where he intends to fight a guerrilla war, causing as much disruption to the enemy as possible.

Realising that this means certain death, private Joe Walker immediately surrenders to the civil authorities – the local police constable – and accepts the cease fire. The Nazi tanks roll into Walmington and the SS and Gestapo quickly establish order. Mainwaring convenes a court-martial in secret in Walker’s absence and imposes the death penalty. At the same meeting, a death list of local collaborators and Quislings is drawn up who must be executed at the earliest opportunity. Among those earmarked for death are The Vicar (Rev Timothy Farthing), The verger (Maurice Yeatman), The Air raid Warden (William Hodges) who have collaborated with the Nazis by supplying them with comforting religious services and fresh vegetables from Hodges’ greengrocer shop.

Mainwaring orders one of his crack troops – Lance Corporal Jack Jones - to sneak into Walmington and post a notice in the town square advising that collaborators will be shot on sight without trial. Jones risks capture by paying a visit to his lady companion, glamorous widow Mrs Fox. However, he is devastated to find her in the arms of a German officer. In a fit of rage he shoots them both dead and escapes by the skin of his teeth pursued by a German patrol. Jones unwittingly leads the Germans to Mainwaring’s hideout. However, Mainwaring has planned ahead and his redoubt is well defended. After a brief skirmish, five of the Nazis lie dead, one is seriously wounded and one taken alive. Mainwaring realises that they have no facility for taking prisoners and orders the prisoner to be taken outside and shot. Jones volunteers but Mainwaring, wary of the blood-lust in Jones’ eyes orders Private Fraser, a dour Scotsman to carry out his orders which he does without hesitation realising that the same fate would await him if the roles were reversed. Mainwaring administers the coup-de-grace to the wounded German with his pistol. With this act, the platoon realises that there is no going back now.

When the German patrol does not return, the Nazis unleash a terrible vengeance. Mr Godfrey’s cottage is burned to the ground and elderly Mr Bluett is tortured for days by the Gestapo. Bluett refuses to divulge any knowledge of the home guard and throws his torturers off the scent by going on for hours about his bunions.

Realising that they are unlikely to gain any intelligence from the old man, Klaus Von Macheim, the newly appointed Gaulieter of Walmington-on-Sea, orders the entire town out of their homes to the town square where they are forced to watch Bluett’s execution. A proclamation is read holding Mainwairing’s platoon responsible and Bluett is shot by firing squad. His last defiant words are ‘but what about my roses? I've just mulched them’ which causes Von Macheim to fly into a rage and to mutilate Bluett's corpse.

The townspeople are stunned into silence until a lone voice from the middle of the throng starts singing in a plaintive voice ‘who do you think you are kidding Mr Hitler?’ A couple of voices join in until the whole town are singing the defiant statement of freedom at the top of their lungs. Von Macheim fires his luger indiscriminately into the crowd and several people are killed. The townspeople flee and Von Macheim orders a total lockdown of Walmington-on-Sea.

News of this horrific event spreads along a secret network of gossiping housewives, delivery boys and spivs. Meanwhile, the people of Scotland still hold out against the invader, who soon realises it's just not worth invading the land to the North as the natives are too insane and warlike to ever be subjugated.

Months pass and Mainwairing and his crack platoon of misfits are still in hiding, plotting a plan of attack. Meanwhile, the Americans hatch a plan to secretly reinforce and arm Scotland with a steady supply of weapons and ammunition from disguised fishing boats and submarines. When the time comes, American troops will flood Scotland and attack Nazi occupied England.

The resistance groups across England listen to US forces radio for coded messages in-between the incessant Glen Miller records.

Mainwairing appoints himself Prime Minister of Free England and forms a war cabinet. Jones is appointed minister for War, Sgt Wilson is Foreign Secretary, Pike is minister for Intelligence , Fraser is Chancellor of the Exchequer and Sponge is Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster.

The US enters the war after Pearl Harbour and the platoon’s assassination campaign is put on hold.

Pike attends a resistance summit and returns with the news that a US backed attack from Scotland is imminent. When the message ‘Oh Lady Melton-Mowbray, what a lovely pair of pomegranates’ is broadcast the invasion will begin. The platoon begin training in earnest. Jones suffers a bout of malaria and imagines he is in the Sudan.

The platoon’s morale suffers a serious blow when their beloved medic Mr Godfrey passes away in his sleep.

Mainwairing asks for volunteer for suicide mission and Jones in his demented state volunteers. He walks into the Walmington-on-Sea tearoom frequented by Nazi officers with several pounds of high explosives under his clothes. He detonates his device and twelve Nazi officers are killed. Somehow Jones survives and stumbled out with his clothes in rags his spectacles hanging from one ear and his face all covered in dust. He is quickly hidden by the townspeople.

Fraser is sent to Scotland to liaise with his countrymen and to secure military aid.

A Mass invasion is launched from Scotland supported by American air power after Fraser’s pleas for help are accepted. Those Scots not armed with American weapons charge behind with broken bottles, bricks and home made ‘chibs’, united in their desire to ‘malky’ the Germans and free the Sassenachs.

Mainwairing orders a massive campaign of destruction and sabotage. The Nazis retreat back to fortress Europe. News reaches Hitler who delares Mainwairing an enemy of the Nazi state and orders his arrest and murder. Mainwairing has recently had posters put up describing the Fuhrer as a ‘madman who looks like Charlie Chaplin’.

Von Macheim, attempting to flee dressed as a nun, is captured by Private Sponge. Mainwairing orders that Von Macheim be taken to the exact spot of Mr Bluett’s murder and reads a short proclamation that the Gaulieter will be summarily executed. The platoon form a firing squad and Von Macheim is shot despite pleading for his life in a last cowardly act. His corpse is dragged through the streets of Walmington-on-Sea and mutilated before being hung from a lamppost.

The remaining surrendered German troops are then murdered by the platoon despite Mainwairing’s orders to take them prisoner under the terms of the Geneva Convention.

Collaborators are rounded up. The Vicar and Mr Yeatman are tied to posts, blindfolded and shot. Various women who slept with the Germans, including Mrs Pike, have their heads shaved and are tied to lampposts and tarred and feathered. Private Walker escapes. The bodies are buried in a mass grave behind Timothy White’s.

Mainwairing’s terrible revenge on the town’s collaborators is hushed up by the authorities desperate to avoid bad publicity and driven by a need for heroic tales of British pluck. The tale of 'Mainwairing's Marauders' is deliberately constructed.

Pike is elected MP for Walmington-on-Sea and is given a cabinet position as minister for reconstruction.

Mainwairing is promoted to full colonel and Jones awarded the VC in ceremony at Buckingham palace. Sgt Wilson is admonished for trying to chat up the Duchess of Gloucestershire.

Fifteen years later, a man’s body is found hanging underneath the pier at Walmington-on-Sea. Pinned to his chest is a message - ‘no hiding place for traitors’. The body is later identified as that of Eastgate resident James Beck - the post war identity assumed by Private Joe Walker. The murder is never solved.

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I had gotten a novel from hastings before they shut down in my old town, This book was compelling however I had only managed the first few chapters before the book was put away in storage. Long story short, Father let the storage unit go, along with my book collections.

The only thing I really have to go off of was that the book cover had an F-35 in this orientation with a Big rectangular Nazi Flag on each wing, and that the book started out in a flashback on Hawaii, I think with a narrative from a fictional Presley relative.

Background Context:

The Roman Federal Republic is a fictional nation I have been working on for over 2 years, and I've been doing its world building for a while, and I now feel like its time for me to share it with you guys, helpful criticism is acceptable.

Early Days:

The Roman Federal Republic is a direct descendant of the Roman Republic, in this timeline, a lot of key things that went wrong with the Roman Republic, such as the Gracchus brothers reforms, actually get accepted by the Roman Senate, and corruption is less of a problem in the Roman Senate, which later reformed into a Roman Parliament, and a Prime Minister being elected every 9 Years, turning Rome into a fully fledged democracy.

The Middle Ages:

During the Middle Ages, Rome and her Allies at the time; The Federation of Byzantium, Assyrian-Arab Federation, and Confederation of Judea and Palestine, stood as the only democracies, surrounded by medieval kingdoms, it was a scary time for the Roman Federal Republic, and many thought that it would collapse during this time period, but thankfully, the Roman Federal Republic stood tall as Europe entered the Renaissance Era, and Rome drove that Era through Europe.

Modern Day:

Today, the Roman Federal Republic is still a relevant and thriving superpower in the Med. with his allies in the F.L.M, Rome has remained a protector of Europe for a long time, although some refer to Rome as the "Sick Man of Europe" due to the nation existing for so long, though Rome has forever stayed a superpower in Europe, from the old days of the Roman Republic, to the Present Day, and hopefully in the far future, only time can tell, the future looks bright for Rome.

Why did I choose the Roman Republic specifically?:

I chose Rome because I had a strange obsession with the Roman Republic, and not the Roman Empire, I always thought the Roman Empire was a bit...overrated and overshadowed the Roman Republic, so I decided to do it differently, don't get me wrong though, people can get creative with the Roman Empire, and I do believe creativity is vital in Alternate History

Afterword:

This is my first major Alternate History Project, and I'd like to thank my friend for helping me out with this, as they gave me the confidence to finally post this here.

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This is by no means an original concept, as it's been done in other alt history and spec evolution projects, but here's the basic set ups.

• There was no Quaternary mass extinction. As such, this has broader effects on the cultures that develop in universe as well as the names. For instance, every culture close to mammoths will have a different name for them. Additionally, there may be a greater presence of pastoral nomads, especially in the Americas as horses never died out here.

• Doggerland still exists and Britain is a peninsula similar to Denmark in our timeline. Ireland is still a thing and there's a neighbouring island that we'll call Hy-Brasil for now. The environment of Doggerland is largely grassland interspersed with temperate woodlands. Depending on the region, it'll be a mix of settled farming communities, albeit fewer than in our world, living in fertile valleys while nomadic horse cultures live out in the grasslands.

• A subcontinent we'll call Atlantis exists as a stopgap between the Americas and Africa in the centre of the Atlantic. The wildlife will be unique to the region. As for the culture, I imagine a hybrid of Mediterranean, West African and Central American influences. Speaking of...

• Because of the stop gaps created by the subcontinents, Eurasian diseases enter the Americas and elsewhere much quicker. Thus, after a period of decimation, the indigenous populations will be inoculated against it. As a result, any colonisation that occurs from Europe or elsewhere will be very different than how it happened in our timeline (if it happens at all)

• A subcontinent we'll call Lemuria exists in the centre of the Indian Ocean. The local culture will be heavily shaped by Austronesian and South Asian cultures, with both potentially using it as a staging post to colonise Madagascar. Additionally, I see increased interactions between between East Africa, Madagascar and South Asia as a result.

• On top of a sub continent we'll call Mu, there's an increased number of archipelagos in the Pacific. This naturally will affect both the seafaring customs of Polynesian cultures, but also the interactions between Asia, the Sundas, Oceania and the Americas. The culture of Mu will be reflected in these interactions.

• Beringia still exists. Therefore, the link between the Americas and Asia is never severed. This not only affects the transitions of human cultures and wildlife on each continent, but also the local cultures in Beringia proper that might develop.

• the islands of Honshu, Shikoku, Kyushu and Hokkaido are part of one large island we'll call Great Japan. This has wider implications for the development of both indigenous Japanese cultures and the broader interactions with the wider world.

Obviously, this relies heavily on certain factors being a hundred percent on the button, but I think it's a fun world to play around in if nothing else. Let me know what you think and feel free to suggest/point out other things that might come about as a result.

The subreddit's Rule 4 states that anything made using map-painting apps (obviously MapChart), Google services edits with little to no context applied, and AI generated images are considered low-effort/low-quality and liable to be removed, but question is, does MapChart is completely barred in this subreddit?

I was planning to create some maps using that software as a supporting item for my upcoming alternate history scenarios, to give viewers an idea on what had changed, and i was planning to use the HOI4 Provinces map (which was now brought to the Android/iOS version) to give some detail. I won't leave out a legend there, so viewers can just ask anything relating any nations in the map, and yea the background too will have a color.

There is a post 2100 flair, so I don’t see why not.

Btw is sci-if allowed as well?

Following more than a year of failure for either Europe or the United States to send aid to Ukraine the country runs out of weaponry, supplies, and men to enlist. Russia proposes terms of annexing Crimea and the Donbas region into the Federation itself. President Zelensky must resign and a neutral leader take power in the central government. Ukraine under the terms would be forbidden to join NATO, but could the European Union. Exhausted, Ukraine agrees to these terms.

Following the war, Russia establishes military bases in the Donbas region and begins rebuilding the Black Sea Fleet allowing forces to invade and divide the rest of Ukraine if they need to. European countries form alliances to not only rebuild Ukraine's economy but expand and reinforce its military if there is another conflict in the future.

NATO increases its forces in eastern Europe in case Russia attempts to attack Poland or the Baltic States. Russia eventually will attempt to annex George into its sphere later on as well.

The October revolution starts as planned in 1917 in Petrograd, soldiers advancing quickly conquer surrounding areas, but face resistance from the goverment forces, which succesfully push back the bolsheviks to the area where they emerged. After 2 weeks of fighting and after the front has stalled, the leningrad communist state is proclaimed. Using the disorganization of the russian state that has emerged during the revolt ethnicities such as Ukraininas and Belarussians found their own states, scared of the communist push or popularization of that ideology on other terrains, the russian goverment accepts the new borders. At the begining of the revolution communist succes inspires german communists to start revolts soon the revolts gain power mainly in South germany and Austria. the revolts continue until 1921 when the munich putsch finally happens and Adolf Hitler comes to power and tries to stop the revolts but instead of that it only distabilizes Tirol and western south germany forcing to create a new state with the capital in Stuttgart. The distabilized German state then continues to remilitalize to conquer breakaway Stuttgart Commune and expand further onto Europe acording to their plan.

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I want to try, but don't know where to start or how to format. Any tips?

After staggering victory in the front lines the Germans sent vladimir Lenin from Switzerland back to Russia where he started the Bolshevik revolution of 1917, by then Russian morale has completely collapse, and Russia knocked out of the great war, this makes the war easier for the Germans who now just need to focus on the western front thus many thought independence, just like Finland who declared it's independence in February 2, 1918, and beginning a dark period of Russian history, also tsar Alexander was also killed by unknown forces some blames the Bolsheviks some blames the mensheviks. The white army, forms a government in Alaska and it's kinda like the Chinese civil war situation also Alaska isn't on this map.

(Note: This is an old question from a long time ago that I want to bring back since nobody even bothered to answer)

So I'm made this alternate history called "The Dust Settles" and it's mostly inspired by 1983 Doomsday and Eagle Down Under. To summerize here's the summary of it's premise.

The Arab oil crisis is much worse

President Nixon's negotiations fail

The Soviets invade Iran after the latter's communist purgings

A plane was shot down by East Germany, resulting in World War 3

The Soviet and Warsaw pact were winning at first but began losing after American and Canadian forces step foot on Europe

China declares war on both the US, USSR, and India

The Soviets launched nukes into Eastern Europe and Manchuria to slow down enemy advances but instead only caused an all out nuclear war

The entire Northern hemisphere is decimated causing the largest refugee crisis and mass migrations in the entire world

Most set-up regimes all over the world collapse due to losing contact with the powers backing them up and are succeeded by brutal warlord states and weak democracies

A short nuclear winter occured for a year in a half, followed by a six year long nuclear summer, it was so hot that children aren't allowed to go outside and sea levels increase to 20 feet

From 1980 (the year the nukes were dropped) to the late 2000s, those years were known as "The Lost Decades"

After the fall of the US and the Soviets, Oceania and Latin America took their place as the new world powers, though unlike their predecessors, they would rather cooperate then compete, atleast that's what seen on the surface

The Alliance of Nations (Successor of the Pre-War UN) was formed in 2009

The world is currently witnessing "The Great War on Terror" since 2018, where the Alliance of Nations is currently trying to stop various terrorist groups, organizations, and rouge states

As of now, technology levels are somewhere between 1970s to 2000s level with some technologies like clean energy and vertical farms being at 2010s or even at 2020s level, though some areas, particularly in the Northern hemisphere are at levels between 1950s, 1930s, or even at Medieval levels at worse

Social progress is at late 2000s to early 2010s level with South Africa being the most progressive country in the world in this timeline being at late 2010s level

This timeline mostly revolves around stories ranging from random characters to documentaries about certain places, events, and media

But right now, it's not really getting popular since it only has 8 members and only two post got one like each and the lore is a bit stale and undercooked at best, that's why I'm here asking for advice

Is there any way I can make this more interesting, more realistic, and more original or even answer some questions relating to the timeline. Is there a way I can expand the lore and if you want add your ideas to this timeline, go ahead.

Squeal to this early Poll https://www.reddit.com/r/AlternateHistory/comments/1cj227r/future_status_of_prussia/

On July 20, 1944, A bomb was explode in Wolf's Lair, Adolf Hitler is Dead. Operation Valkyrie is under way. July 21, Joseph Goebbels kills himself in order to not be captured. Himmler and Göring declare the new gov't illegal, Wehrmacht and SS clashes. Seeing the Soviets and SS as more of a threat, the Western front is empty of nearly all German forces. Autumn-Winter 1944, France and Low Countries are Liberated. January 1945, The Allies cross the Rhine into Germany. In March, U.S. forces reach the Elbe. Originally the was to meet the Soviet at river but General Patton had other ideas. The 3rd Army and part 1st Army cross the Elbe and in the next few days reach Berlin and meet the Soviet at the Oder River. This became a sore spot for the Soviet, angry by the Allies not supporting original Agreement at the Tehran Conference. Tense were high but an agreement was reach. In Soviet controlled land, Territories with Polish Majority in East Prussia were gain to Poland and Silesia, Pomerania east of Oder were also given to Poland. Stalin still upset, decided to create a satellite State in the Remained of East Prussia. Like in olt, The People's Republic of Prussia became what East Germany was Real life. The Capital, renamed Liebknechtburg from Konigsberg. The PRP was a close satellite state do to Soviets making Liebknechtburg head base to USSR Baltic Fleet, do to the port being ice free. In 1954, PRP joins the USSR and becomes a SSR.

Its now 1991, The USSR is dissolving, Lithuania has left, soon along with other Baltic states. Protests ands demands for leaving the USSR have growing and soon their wish will be granted. Their are two groups in the new gov't.

The current population is 950,212.
-592,147 (62.32%) Germans
-275,912 (29.4%) Russians
-25,841 (2.72%) Polishs
-19,560(2.06%) Ukrainians
-15,991(1.68%) Lithuanians
-10,589(1.11%) Belarusians
-10,172(1.07%) Others
One wish to rejoin The fatherland, to joined Germany
The Second wish to be an independence Republic (Do to a big Minority of Russians)

Which of these choices sound (or really your opinion) looks good/reasonably to you?

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What If Questions Are Now Banned

Atleast until the end of the month, all "What If" questions are banned, this does not mean "What If" scenarios are banned, only questions such as "What If Napoleon Won The Battle of Waterloo?"

There has been a constant spam of these for a long time drastically lowering the quality of the sub, hopefully if things calm down we will return Rule 8 as it was, but for now we are taking harsher measures

If these posts are the main draw you have to this subreddit I'd like to direct you to r/HistoryWhatIf and r/HistoricalWhatIf

If you break this new rule more than once during this month, we will ban you

Stricter Moderation

Recently we have gained multiple new mods and now have 6 active moderators, this allows us to more consistently enforce rules, some of you may be breaking rules without realizing it assuming they were no longer enforced, this is not the case and was just a lack of number of team members, if you feel you have been banned due to not knowing they were intended to be enforced send us modmail and we may reverse your ban

We do still need more moderators however, and if you wish to become one you can send us modmail asking or DM me directly, if we ignore you, assume we decided no

Other Changes

Here is a list of other changes we are making for atleast this month, they may be reversed depending on how things go:

1. Rule 9 is being removed, it is one of our oldest rules intended to help other scenarios get more traction but with how things have been recently the mod team has decided to remove it to see if it helps the quality of the sub improve
2. Memes and Joke scenarios are now banned, this does not ban having jokes or memes within a post (for example having an alternate universe meme on a social media site) but things that are only those two will be removed

If those are your interest I'd like to direct you to r/AlternateHistoryMemes for the time being, I have contacted the admins to see if r/alternatehistorycj can be changed hands so I can revive it
I'd point you to the other sub that seems to get recommended but I don't swear so I'm not
typing it and it seems that they seemingly allow things that aren't even alternate history 3. A new "Althist Help" flair is being added for those seeking advice on specific things within their scenarios, this is not to be used for any "What If" questions, you must be asking a detailed and pointed question that you cannot find the answer to elsewhere (credit to u/RedTheGamer12 for the idea) 4. Native Reddit videos are now allowed as they previously were not for some reason 5. There is now a "Mod Update" flair for all future mod update posts, starting with this one 6. The flair system has been reworked to be more consistent, now focused around different time periods

Final Words

The best thing you can do to help this subreddit be better without being a moderator is to report posts you see that break the rules

There are detailed explanations for every rule and their reasoning on the sub wiki if you want clarification

We are trying our best to curb the low effort spam this sub has seen and to turn it around, for years there was effectively only one mod here, the unsung hero of the subreddit who quit the mod team last month, they made me a mod and told me I had free reign to try to change things as I saw fit in an attempt to improve things, but I can't do it alone, I'd like to thank all the other members who recently joined and my good friend I dragged along to help me (sorry Harriot <3)

Germany winning WW1 and WW2 are the most common alternate history scenario especially among newer community members. But aside from these maps and scenarios being cliche and eye rolling at times which scenario do you prefer? This isn’t whether TWR/TNO or kaiserreich is definitively better than the other just about the scenarios overall like which one do you personally think has better or more interesting world building and scenario development potential. Personally I prefer Germany winning WW1 because the interwar period could be interesting and fun to develop. But what are your guys thoughts