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This subreddit is dedicated to anything related to the Turkic countries up until and through the year 2000. We encourage friendly discourse, debates, questions, articles, discoveries, or anything else relevant within the given time period.
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(Note; Anatolian beyliks and Azerbaijani khanates were not added to the list because it will be too long)
I deleted and reposted because I didn't know how to make a list on reddit.
Timurid Sultanate of Kabulistan (1469-1502/1504-1526) 163. Turpan Khanate (1487-1690) 164. Yesi Khanate (1488-1500) 165. Adil Shahi Dynasty* (1490-1686) 166. Bidar Sultanate (1492-1619) 167. Timurid Sultanate of Bukhara (1495-1498) 168. Karatigin-Kyrgyz Confederation (15??-1810) 169. Bukhara Khanate (1501-1785) 170. Tashkent Khanate (1501-1627) 171. Safavid Empire (1501-1736/1749-1796) 172. Kingdom of Amb (1507-1969) 173. Khiva Khanate (1511-1920) 174. Kyrgyz Union (1514-1759) 175. Arabshahids (1515-1770) 176. Regency of Algiers (1516-1830) 177. Qutb Shahi Dynasty (1518-1687) 178. Arghun Dynasty* (1520-1591) 179. Gurkanid/Baburid Empire (1526-1858) 180. Ochakov/Yedisan Horde (1526-1790) 181. Beylik of Constantine* (1528-1837) 182. Khangalas Toyonate (1540-1625) 183. Tarkhan Dynasty (1554-1591) 184. Belh Khanate (1590-1850) 185. Godunov Dynasty* (1598-1605) 186. Gazakh Sultanate (1605-1801) 187. Budjak Horde (1620-1770) 188. Sakha Confederation (1625-1633) 189. Bedakhshan Khanate (1658-1869) 190. Cantemireşti Dynasty^ (1685-1711) 191. Kumul Khanate (1696-1930) 192. Sarkar Dynasty (1700-1828) 193. Husainid Dynasty (1705-1957) 194. Hokand Khanate (1709-1876) 195. Karamanlu Dynasty (1711-1835) 196. Junior Zhuz (1718-1784/1787-1824) 197. Middle Zhuz (1718-1823) 198. Senior Zhuz (1718-1824) 199. Hyderabad State (1724-1948) 200. Kara Kyrgyz Confederation (1732-1791) 201. Afsharid Dynasty (1736-1802) 202. Kingdom of Awadh (1739-1858) 203. Qajar Principality of Merv (1747-1788) 204. Qara Bayat Amirdom(Nishapur) (1747-1800) 205. Maimana Khanate (1747-1892) 206. Qajar Khanate (1750-1759/1766-1789) 207. Western Kyrgyz Confederation (1759-185?) 208. Khanate of Tashkent (1784-1808) 209. Emirate of Bukhara (1785-1920) 210. Bughu-Kyrgyz Sultanate (1785-1855) 211. Pashalik of Yanina (1787-1822) 212. Qajar Iran (1789-1925) 213. Bukey Horde (1801-1845) 214. Autonomus Egypt Eyalet (1805-1867) 215. Caucasian Imamate under Shamil* (1834-1859) 216. Kara Kyrgyz Khanate (1842-1854) 217. Qaraqalpaq Khanate (1855-1873) 218. Yettishar Uyghur Khanate (1865-1877) 219. Khedivate of Egypt (1867-1914) 220. Sultanate of Egypt (1914-1922) 221. Kingdom of Egypt (1922-1953) 222. Republic of Komrat (1906-1906) 223. Uryankhay Republic (1911-1914) 224. Western Thrace Turkish Republic (1913-1913) 225. Republic of Bashkurtistan (1917-1918) 226. Crimea Peoples Republic (1917-1918) 227. Turkestan Autonomy (1917-1918) 228. Alash Orda (1917-1920) 229. Iğdır National Republic (1917-1920) 230. Yakutia (1918-1918) 231. Southwest Caucasian National Goverment (1918-1919) 232. İdel-Ural State (1918-1919) 233. Azerbaijan Demokratic Republic (1918-1920) 234. Republic of Aras (1918-1918) 235. Karakorum Altai Goverment (1918-1922) 236. Azadistan (1919-1920) 237. Ankara Goverment (1920-1923) 238. İstanbul Government (1920-1922) 239. Tannu Tuva Peoples Republic (1921-1944) 240. Eastern Turkestan Islamic Republic (1932-1934) 241. Republic of Hatay (1938-1939) 242. Eastern Turkestan Republic (1944-1949) 243. Azerbaijan National Goverment (1945-1945) 244. Turkish Federated State of Cyprus (1975-1983) 245. Republic of Gagauzya (1990-1994) 246. Turkestan Autonomus Soviet Socialist 247. Peoples Republic (1918-1924) 248. Bashkir Autonomus Soviet Socialist 249. Peoples Republic (1919-1992) 250. Kazakh Autonomus Soviet Socialist Peoples Republic (1920-1936) 251. Tatarstan Autonomus Soviet Socialist Peoples Republic (1920-1990) 252. Khwarazm Soviet Peoples Republic (1920-1925) 253. Bukhara Soviet Peoples Republic (1920-1925) 254. Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic (1920-1991) 255. Nakhichevan Autonomus Soviet Socialist Peoples Republic (1921-1991) 256. Mountain Autonomus Soviet Socialist Peoples Republic (1921-1924) 257. Yakut Autonomus Soviet Socialist Peoples Republic (1922-1991) 258. Uzbekistan Soviet Socialist Republic (1924-1991) 259. Turkmenistan Soviet Socialist Republic (1925-1991) 260. Chuvash Autonomus Soviet Socialist Peoples Republic (1925-1992) 261. Kirghiz Autonomus Soviet Socialist Peoples Republic (1926-1936) 262. Karakalpak Autonomus Soviet Socialist Republic (1932-1992) 263. Kazakhstan Soviet Socialist Republic (1936-1991) 264. Kabardino-Balkarian Autonomus Soviet Socialist Peoples Republic (1936-1991) 265. Kyrgyzistan Soviet Socialist Republic (1936-1991) 266. Tuvan Autonomus Soviet Socialist Peoples Republic (1961-1992) 267. Gagauzia Autonomus Soviet Socialist Peoples Republic (1989-1990) 268. Republic of Turkey (1923-Present) 269. Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (1983-Present) 270. Republic of Gagauzya (1990-1995) 271. Republic of Tatarstan (1990-Present) 272. Republic of Nakhichevan (1990-Present) 273. Republic of Azerbaijan (1991-Present) 274. Republic of Kazakhstan (1991-Present) 275. Republic of Kyrgyzistan (1991-Present) 276. Republic of Uzbekistan (1991-Present) 277. Republic of Turkmenistan (1991-Present) 278. Kabardino-Balkarian Republic (1991-Present) 279. Sakha (Yakutia) Republic (1991-Present) 280. Republic of Karakalpakstan (1991-Present) 281. Karachay-Cherkess Republic (1991-Present) 282. Republic of Khakassia (1991-Present) 283. Republic of Bashkortostan (1992-Present) 284. Chuvash Republic (1992-Present) 285. Tuva Republic (1992-Present) 286. Altai Republic (1992-Present) 287. Autonomus Territorial Unit of Gagauzia (1995-Present)
I have very small amount of turkic dna(12%), I am curious if I can claim part turkic ancestry because of this amount of turkic dna
From what I've read the main difference between Turks and Azeris are that the latter have been part of Iran and the Russian/Soviet empire, and that they celebrate Nowruz and have a more Persian vocabulary and Russian names (in the north), but that fundamentally there used to be a continuum from Macedonia to Baku of different dialects and that the distinction is mostly political, unlike with say Karachay-Balkars or Turkmenistani Turkmens which are clearly divided from them. And what about Qashqai people, since when have they been considered different from Turks/Azeris, and why?
https://musaeumscythia.substack.com/
https://musaeumscythia.blogspot.com/
On this website it say that original Turkic haplogroup were C haplogroup of Turks/Mongols and N haplogroup of Yakut. In Xiongnu time and after Turks get haplogroup from Scythian like R1a, Q and J. Elite Xiongnu sample had R1a like Ashina. This mean that Scythians not Turk but they were forefather of Turk What you think?
https://musaeumscythia.blogspot.com/2023/03/ancient-dna-from-xiongnu-period-elite.html
https://musaeumscythia.blogspot.com/2023/04/a-response-to-genetic-population.html
https://musaeumscythia.blogspot.com/2024/12/the-origin-of-scythians-part-i-circum.html
These are documents of my grandfather named "josef/joseph sagirius" https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search?s=SAGIRIUS
here is also a chat of me and gpt on the topic https://chatgpt.com/share/675df3a7-d2ec-8007-884b-ffc8c2c04b49
I'm curious as to the way it would have been spelt in its proper lanugage, as well as the pronunciation and etymology of the last name, is it more greek, russian, or turkic?. I've done much more reseach, I found my grandfather born in maripoul russia in 1912 as an orthodox. He was likely a pontic greek, also during that time the soviets wanted to latinize the region to seem closer to the west. I think it's reasonable to think his family name was Tsakiris or Tsakiri or something relating to Tsakir and was then simiplified to sakiri.... then latinized to have ius at the end. There is also quite of bit of turkic influence in that area so that may be considered. I think that its also possibly russian or turkic....
here are a bunch of possible names. I think my grandfather spoke greek and/or russian. I wonder of these is closer to the original. I have more posts on my profile if you are curious for more information.
This a question that's been on my mind for a long time. Are there any accessible great ancient Turkic monuments? Apart from the Orkhun inscriptions and (maybe) the pyramid in China is there anything from ~5th century BC and further back that we can visit/see/touch/experience? Some burial sites in Kazakhstan and some more pyramids are being discovered, but is there anything more anywhere? I'm incredibly interested in my ancestry and apologise if it's a stupid question.
In archaeogenetics, the term Ancient Paleo-Siberian is the name given to an ancestral component that represents the lineage of the hunter-gatherer people of the 15th-10th millennia before present, in northern and northeastern Siberia.
Ancient Paleo-Siberian=30–36% (Afontova Gora/ANE) +64–70% (AR14k/ANEA)
The source for the East Asian component among Ancient Paleo-Siberians is to date best represented by Ancient Northern East Asian populations from the Amur region older than 13,000 years
AR14k/C2a1a-F1699 has three main sub-branches:
1,C2a1a1-Y10418 ,its downstream branches F3918 Expanded into Siberia during the Mesolithic
2,C2a1a2-M48 (AR13-10K)
3,C2a1a3-M504 (Outer Manchuria/Boisman)
Differentiation of C-F3918
P39 (Native American)
YP5260
C-YP5260:
F15910 (Mongolia_N_North,MNG_East_N)
F1756 (ARpost9k)
F1756 (ARpost9k):
F3830(West Liao River/WLR,Xianbei)
Y10420(Slab Grave,Xiongnu)
AR means Amur River
AR9k=Ancient sample from Amur River Basin 9000 years ago
Bronze Age West Liao River farmers=Amur hunter-gatherers + Yellow River farmers, close to Mongols, Tungus, Japanese, and Koreans
Bronze Age Ulaanzuukh have a purely Amur ancestry
Modern Japanese people are considered a mix of both Yayoi and Jomon ancestry:
1,AEA>Jomon
The Ancient East Asians (AEA) diverged into the Jomon and ANEA/ASEA around 35kya
2,AEA>ANEA>ANA(Mixed with YR)>West Liao River farmers>The Yayoi people
Ancient Northern East Asian(ANEA)are inferred to have diverged from Ancient Southern East Asians (ASEA) around 20,000 to 26,000 BCE
Northern Han Chinese mostly carry ANEA ancestry(Neolithic Yellow River farmers+ part Amur ancestry)with a moderate degree of ASEA admixture
The ANEA can be differentiated into broadly three sub-groups, namely the “Ancient Northeast Asians“ (ANA), “Neo-Siberians", and "Yellow River farmers".
The image below shows: Neo-Siberian expansion
Simplified migration routes of the IUP and UP expansion waves:
The origins of a family of languages including modern Japanese, Korean, Turkic and Mongolian date back some 9000 years to AR9k
AR9k, Ancient Paleo-Siberians (such as Cisbaikal_LNBA), MNG_North_N, MNG_East_N.... can all be traced back to AR14k
Neo-Siberians, Yellow River farmers (YR), and Ancient Northeast Asians (AR14-19k) can all be traced back to ANEA(25kya)
Turkish heavily employs open [æ] and closed [e] E distinction. Although not represented in orthography, speakers do use these two vowels. The language follows a strict set of rules to determine which E's are open and which are closed (see here for examples and rules).
Similarly, I know that Azerbaijan Turkish also has this distinction, and theirs is also shown in writing [ə/e].
Question to native Turkic speakers: does your language have the open/closed E distinction? If it does, are there specific rules for it like in Turkish?
Question to linguists/people interested in Turkic linguistics: is this distinction present in Proto-Turkic or was it a later development?
I have seen conflicting opinions online, according to some all Common Turkic languages descend from the Old Turkic language from the Orkhon inscriptions, yet Old Turkic is classified into the Siberian Turkic branch, wouldn't this mean that the Kipchak, Oghuz and Karluk branches don't descend from it and were already separate languages by the time of the Göktürks? Or does it simply mean that the Siberian Turkic languages are more archaic and have just preserved more features of Old Turkic than the other branches?