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Marvel's Cloak and Dagger on Freeform. Premiered on June 7th 2018. This series is part of the MCU (Marvel Cinematic Universe).

Tandy Bowen/Dagger (Olivia Holt) and Tyrone Johnson/Cloak (Aubrey Joseph), two teenagers from different backgrounds, acquire superpowers while forming a romantic relationship. They soon realize that their powers work better when they are together, "but their feelings for each other make their already complicated world even more challenging."

Welcome to /r/CloakAndDagger!

This sub is dedicated to the characters Cloak and Dagger, as well as discussion of Marvel's Cloak and Dagger on Freeform.

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    Despite the show being canceled

    I notice that Aubrey (cloaks actor) loves to put things like voice notes/voicemails and other stuff through his songs sometimes. Mostly at the end. It’s usually people that are hyping him up like a friend/family or in this instance I’m about to use, what seems to be an interviewer segwaying into his introduction onto whatever show or whatever they were going to do this interview on. I thought it was cool that he included someone mentioning that cloak and dagger was claimed to be superhero show of the summer back when it was on by critics, cause while yes he wants to share his achievements in life, it also is just nice to hear it being mentioned, especially in his brand new album after the show being canceled so long ago. To me it displays that he still cares about it (but also how couldn’t he). This is also my way of saying to go listen to his new album called Welcome Back. His name is Aubrey Omari for those who didn’t know. You can hear this part I’m mentioning at 3 minutes and 48 seconds into the song also titled “Welcome Back”. Probably my second favorite on the album. 24: a letter to Breeze is definitely one of a kind.

    2 Comments
    2024/04/20
    11:12 UTC

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    I was not feeling Aubrey's haircut

    In season 3 episode 8 of the Runaways the duo do a cameo and I do not like the fade or whatever Aubrey is sporting. Tbh my favourite haircut of his, was what he had in Season 1. I dunno if he maybe had an akward haircut between season 2 of CnD and ep 8 of the Runaways so the stylists try to make do or they simply didn't care so much since it was a cameo. Anyways...

    Side note: he totally put on some muscle between season 1 and season 2 of Cloak and Dagger and he had a bit of a baby face in season 1, it might not be prominent but it's there. Just part of working out and growing up lol and here I am...

    0 Comments
    2024/03/23
    18:27 UTC

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    I was not feeling Aubrey's haircut

    In season 3 episode 8 of the Runaways the duo do a cameo and I do not like the fade or whatever Aubrey is sporting. Tbh my favourite haircut of his, was what he had in Season 1. I dunno if he maybe had an akward haircut between season 2 of CnD and ep 8 of the Runaways so the stylists try to make do or they simply didn't care so much since it was a cameo. Anyways...

    Side note: he totally put on some muscle between season 1 and season 2 of Cloak and Dagger and he had a bit of a baby face in season 1, it might not be prominent but it's there. Just part of working out and growing up lol and here I am...

    2 Comments
    2024/03/23
    18:27 UTC

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    Tandy & Tyrone a romantic couple?

    So I was just reading the TV tropes website for Cloak & Dagger & it turns out that in the trailers Aubrey & Olivia's characters were played of to be this romantic couple. I never watched the trailers cause I binged watched the series. (and apparently it was put in the romantic genre too?)

    Personally I like their platonic life partner relationship thing they had going on. However I'm not against them being a romantic couple, but I just prefer the platonic dynamic duo thing they'ce got. Since, the show is canceled, I'd like to know how it was in the comics. From the little I've read about the comics, they weren't a romantic couple but might have been very close to being so. Plus with the way they pop up in other heroes comics you never really see them on their own to fully determine their relationship???

    9 Comments
    2024/03/09
    18:57 UTC

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    Who else thinks that putting in the plot of Tandy's dad to be abusive was just unnecessary...?

    They even make it a whole thing in season 2 when Tandy & Ty are kinda facing their fears?? from Dre I honestly still don't get why they used Tandy's dad for that episode.

    Because how does Tandy have all these fond memories of her dad, who died when she was like 6/7? & it just changes all of a sudden because of what she saw in her mom's head? I mean majority of Tandy's storyline in season 1 was clearing her dad's name from the Roxxon issue.

    10 Comments
    2024/03/08
    20:06 UTC

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    What's a show that's similar to Cloak and Dagger (C&D)?

    I'm currently rewatching parts of the series. I honestly liked the series. I particularly like how they learn to depend on each other & learn not to leave the other behind. Olivia & Aubrey's chemistry was great. (I mean I even watched S3 of the Runaways, a show I'm not following, just to see them cameo in one episode) Since our dear producers have canceled yet another show, I just want to watch a series similar to that dynamic. It would be great if the characters had opposite powers (like they do in C& D) but yet have to be in tandem for their powers to "make sense" or "work". And just have that duo dynamic. If they don't have powers too that's fine. Also be of the opposite sex like in C&D.

    PS: glad they at least didn't end the show on a "cliffhanger" and tied up all ends that needed to be tied up. That's the most you can hope for from a canceled show.

    7 Comments
    2024/02/28
    09:04 UTC

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    First time watching

    Noticed something quite funny in Season 1 Episode 3. Detective O'Reilly goes to speak with Rick while he's in the hospital... Anyone else notice the heart monitor??... I mean.... Dude is at first resting comfortably (but the heart monitor is legit in the 120's). I could see it being that high when she starts to question him about his pants... Showing that she knows something's up.... But a resting heart rate in the 120's is NOT normal for a dude his age.

    I know it's a small thing, but having worked in the medical field, it's a little annoying when they don't pay attention to things like that.

    4 Comments
    2024/02/09
    14:30 UTC

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    worse-written character?

    in your opinion, which character do you think could have been better written and executed?

    for me, while i love how these characters are written, especially complex character like tandy, i do wish they flesh out her relationship with her mother more ;;

    2 Comments
    2024/02/09
    06:36 UTC

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    anyone else feel bad for evita?

    i know it's like a really important plotpoint for her to be like her aunt, but i feel SO bad for her :( all she wanted was to be a doctor. i hope evita knows she's able to help people regardless of her job, afterall she was the one who saved tyrone and tandy.

    as for the marriage part, it hurts so bad because she was basically forced to do that :( she must've loved tyrone a lot, if there was season 3 i'm sure they would've explored with how she coped with being lonely in the human world

    8 Comments
    2024/01/30
    11:15 UTC

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    this is still one of my comfort show to date

    it's just THAT good, to emphasize i'm not on my 4th rewatch since i first watched it a couple years ago. the themes explored in this, the way the storylines slowly unfold and executed- there's this rhythm to it that i fail to find in another show. i absolutely will forever be in love with the protagonists' dynamics, as well as the side characters, particularly evita and brigid/mayhem. everyone is so flawed yet loveable.

    8 Comments
    2024/01/26
    10:28 UTC

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    Love, Hate & Improve- Cloak & Dagger (MCU/MCM)

    Let's Play a Game! It's called Love, Hate & Improve!

    Name 1 thing you Love, Hate & would approve about Cloak & Dagger in the MCU/MCM.

    Have Fun!

    7 Comments
    2023/12/29
    14:30 UTC

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    Love, Hate & Improve- Cloak & Dagger (MCU/MCM)

    Let's Play a Game! It's called Love, Hate & Improve!

    Name 1 Thing You Love, Hate and Would Improve about Cloak & Dagger in the MCU/MCM . Their Series, the characters and the entry to the MCU/MCM.

    Have Fun!

    0 Comments
    2023/12/27
    09:29 UTC

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    Hard time getting into it

    Did anyone else have a hard time getting into this show? I am on Episode 4 and I still can barely pay attention to it because it's so, I ddon't know. I hate to say slow but in this instance it fits. Does it get better?

    5 Comments
    2023/12/19
    09:21 UTC

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    D+/Hulu merge is in beta; Cloak & Dagger now viewable through Disney+ in the US for the first time!

    3 Comments
    2023/12/09
    19:41 UTC

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    Tandy Bowen: The worst best friend

    *Minor spoilers for season one

    Now this was a show I kinda just stumbled upon a few years ago and l decided to watch it because I'm a huge fan of superheroes, especially Marvel Comics heroes. Spider-man, Star-lord, and many more.

    However, a lead that should (at least be in concept) appeal to me, Tandy Bowen fails terribly to be a likable, compelling, and just well-written lead. And unfortunately, New Orleans has to deal with both Tyrone Johnson who’s an idiot at best, and Tandy Bowen, the worst best friend. And of course, if you like Tandy that's totally fine I want to discuss why Tandy’s character didn't work for me.

    1.”Tandy barely changes”

    Just from season one alone Tandy doesn’t really do anything to become a better person and the problem with that is she spends the entire season saying that she’s not a good person, all she cares about is herself, and her life sucks.

    And I think the show wants me to feel sorry for her when she says this but after a while, it just gets eye-rolling because it feels more like Tandy throwing a pity party for herself and not doing anything to change.

    And I know she was somewhat designed to be unlikeable but I felt like there were better ways of executing this. For instance, the only thing that Tandy respected and cared about was her dad but the writers out of nowhere made her dad abusive to her mom in around the last few episodes of season one. And even though I hated that writing choice and it is pretty contrived, why doesn't Tandy talk to her mom about that and get her some help?

    Or Liam! Remember Liam? He helped her steal things you think that Tandy would be vulnerable with him but now she just goes back to her old ways and even goes so far as to steal people's hopes. In fact, she does confront Melissa about the abuse, but Tandy just condemns her in season 2 and steals Liam’s hopes about his love for her, and she never apologizes for any of it, and we never see Liam again after season one (talk about a waste of a character…). She doesn't own up to anything in season one and barely anything in season two from what I remember.

    2.”

    “Tandy’s character constantly contradicts itself”

    1.Why is Tandy portrayed as a poor person but she’s always able to buy fancy clothes and go to special events and apparently has thousands of dollars stashed in her hideout?

    2.Why does Tandy constantly preach about injustice but she can drug, steal, vandalize, and trespass almost everyone in the cast intentionally and feel no shame and even to her supposedly best friend's mother? Yeah, one of the characters was a sexual abuser in the very first episode (and I’m certainly NOT defending that) but Tandy still violated the guy too. In fact, she violated him first. And just her dad it was totally out of left field. Tandy thinks she judges everyone else on their life decisions and crimes but she can pull stuff that would put you in jail for years but it's all good.

    3.Why is Tandy portrayed as a drug addict but for the entire series she never faces any withdrawals or side effects. That just seems like a bad portrayal of drug abuse victims. Even if that is all off-screen it’s still pretty lame.

    3.”Tandy doesn't respect anyone”

    So to explain this reason I want to go to season two and talk about a certain scene. Tandy and Tyrone confront Andre and in a moment of exchange conversation Andre says to Tandy that she has no one cares about her but Tandy replies with “And I realized I was wrong I have one person” and looks to Tyrone.

    Yeah, her mom who went to therapy and protected her daughter from her abusive husband, the Asian woman who gave her a job even though she knew Tandy was lying about who she was, and Liam who was her ride-or-die, and wanted to marry her.

    All those people do not matter because Tyrone has powers like her. You see it’s not just that she’s manipulative and immoral, it's that for whatever reason she’s incredibly ungrateful and kinda and just uses people for her gain.

    Conclusion: Look I’m not saying that Tandy had to be a pure-of-heart character, the problem is the story’s clear lack of self-awareness of Tandy’s truly awful behavior. Being excessively condescending, unempathetic, and just all-around deceitful.

    And the fact Tandy has to drag everyone down including Tyrone I once again deem Tandy Bowen as the worst best friend. And again if you like Tandy that’s more than okay I probably missed some key elements and that would probably make me think better of her.

    5 Comments
    2023/12/06
    23:04 UTC

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    Every episode poster for season 2

    3 Comments
    2023/11/09
    03:47 UTC

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    Every episode poster for season 2

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    2023/11/09
    03:47 UTC

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    Would you guys want to see Cloak and Dagger return to the MCU?

    poster by me

    25 Comments
    2023/11/03
    15:24 UTC

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    Looking for dagger

    A Cloak looking for a dagger. 🤙

    0 Comments
    2023/10/09
    23:33 UTC

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    My first thought when seeing this scene

    0 Comments
    2023/08/06
    01:11 UTC

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    Hmm

    After watching this show that seems like it was created with a lot of passion. As well as that the chemistry between all the actors and the way music is used thought the show. I simply can’t understand that it got cancelled for obvious reason but then never returned. watching the new Disney plus shows they just don’t even compare the Disney plus shows feel like they had to be made rather than they watched to be made to tell a story it’s very frustrating to see. since it’s been on uk streaming I’ve already rewatched it a few times something I wouldn’t do for other marvel shows.

    5 Comments
    2023/07/23
    20:02 UTC

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    Added to Disney+ UK

    4 Comments
    2023/07/12
    07:27 UTC

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    Cloak & Dagger #2. 1983. Art by Rick Leonardi and Terry Austin.

    3 Comments
    2023/06/27
    11:06 UTC

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    on, my fourth rewatch

    as stated ive watched the show top to bottom quite a few times and to this day i can't express how impressive olivia and aubrey's chemistry was. like was i the only one amused by tandy giving tyrone the fuck me eyes even when he was dating evtia (who in my opinion was woefully underutilized). its a damn shame that it was canceled right before we were gonna explore it. i was really interested to see how or if they were gonna deal with the negative aspects of their powers

    4 Comments
    2023/06/14
    00:56 UTC

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    Spider Island

    I recently read one and two of Cloak and Dagger : Spider Island. Does anyone know of any other C&D books like this? It's great to see them more modernized and the writers and artists for this 3 part C and D series were freaking amazing.

    1 Comment
    2023/03/20
    01:29 UTC

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    Whyis this show so shat on...

    i rly dont understand why so many ppl hate this show AND WHY ITS STILL AS UNDERRATED AS BEFORE, i loved the show when i watched it and tbh, i watched the first episode of runaways, and i hated it, it was too.... idk.... boring but that didnt happen with cloak and dagger not even once i never got bored by it hence why i binged it in less than 2 days (yes i was fucking obsessed with it) and i think its time for the show to get praised like it rightfully deserves so.

    8 Comments
    2023/01/30
    15:52 UTC

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