I dont know if this has already been answered, but because they are currently in the astral plane at the time of the timeline reset, were they safe and still together? I’d assume because time and space is null and void within the plane that they’d continue to remain together despite everyone else probably never meeting in the new timeline. Or did things go back to Oliver and Melanie being together pre-summerland if they were together before David’s possession? I just love them so much I want to believe they’re still together at the end of it all

An absolutely terrible attempt no doubt, but first time trying an engraving/etching on a pumpkin.

So i want to make a post to the new Marvel Rivals game reddit and discord for a suggestion to put David in the game but im worried that its an obscure enough character that if i dont give some extra suggestions for how he works and everything that theres very little chance that people would actually see the appeal of having him in there and therefore not add him to the roster, so my idea is that id turn to yall for some ideas on how his kit would work based on either/or the comics or the show, or even both? if we do make up a good kit for him maybe a few of us could go into the same places and repost or also just suggest him also to make sure that its not just a single fella trinna get him into the game.

SO, yall got any good ideas for my post to there?

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Looking for something close to Switch's coat here. I have been obsessed with this coat since I first saw the third season. Something about Switch's style aligns with my own and I would love to have a coat that looks like this!

I lack the technical knowledge to describe it, but there's definitely a difference between the cinematography of the first season to the second, right? The colors look more...saturated? Vibrant? What do you guys think?

I’ve noticed that Farouk speaks in multiple languages, but how would you describe his actual accent?

Hey, quick question. Does anyone know where to get good Legion merch? I was looking for something but can't really find anything except for David's shirts. But to be honest they are kinda boring, just these ones with shapes or some posters. I would like some cool stuff. The shadowkings glasses, Davids lunchbox, some legion branded mugs or a record of the soundtrack and so on. Does anybody know where to get something. (Europe?)

Didn't want to include the "Certain perspective" in the title, in case people didn't know David was adopted.

I too, like David was adopted when I was a baby. I don't know much but I know it was before I turned one. The feeling of abandonment is very real and dealing with a genetic mental illness can only make me wonder if that's why my biological parents gave me up. Noah Hawley did a beautiful job at capturing those emotions perfectly through David, and Dan Stevens acting was incredible in portraying. The third season had me unsure of if I liked it, but as soon as they brought in Charles Xavier and his wife into the story, those scenes had me bawling.

The embrace of David and his father, and how his parents will get a redo at raising him, it just leaves that question forever lingering of how different life would be if my biological parents kept me. One can only wonder.

For the fans out there that were adopted as a baby, I wonder if you feel the same way. It's just a feeling only those adopted from birth would understand.

I’m still confused. We get the scene of Amy somewhat committing David after his suicide attempt in 02x06, but I know before that he attacked the therapist and got high, all in the same day? Or he just wore the same shirt all those times. Not sure how Dr. Poole’s session fits in with this. I at first thought he committed David because it’s brought up.

Daniels (his husband) long term memorys are erased by David so he can't remember his own Son and Husband. According to the wiki he is still alive but i am not sure wether memory los is even worse. Clarks seems to know that cause he watched those videos. He must have felt so miserable and then he gets killed. Now the sons parents are either dead or don't remember him (would be a cool villain origin story btw).

They seem to be such a loving family and probably the only really healthy relationship the show had...

Maybe they will acknowledge what happend later but i doupt that

She was manipulated by Farouk I know but the way she turned David into the villain… unforgivable. Hurts

Theres something Id like to shut away in this post. Syds rape of her moms boyfriend as a teenager. Her putting him in jail. We all know these are objectively terrible, and are in agreement about it. Id like to discuss Syd as she is during the show, her actions and reactions, starting from clockworks in episode 1. I do not want to damn Syd as a character for this past event, which usually taints and misdirects discussion on her...however unjust or just it is.

Syd is either hated by the fanbase(as in unambiguously Team David) or those who hate her are accused of misogyny. She sometimes gets excused as a character with the excuse "all the characters are messed up people, and were supposed to see the reasons for her actions, not justify it".

The problem with Syd, is her reasons are very unreasonable given the circumstances. Even given her traumatic upbringing.

Syd in season 2 harbors feelings of abandonment with David, because of his year long absence due to the time capsule. Syd was definitely too dependent on David as a person, and her feelings are excusable in a reasonable way given her past. Its how she lets these things affect her future actions that make her unreasonable and hated. David fundamentally did not choose to leave, nor did he heed the call to save the world or be a great man as Melonie complained about Oliver. He was taken against his will, by a time machine he couldnt break out of.

Next, we'll move on to the much hated Syd backstory episode. I dont want to talk about the contents of the backstory, but rather how its presented. Simply put, its ridiculously roundabout way and kind of(im not sure of a good word for this) slightly manipulative or mean. Like, Syd forces David to watch her memories and then say the exact words she wants to hear. This doesnt happen once, but he constantly does a really mean spirited buzzer sound whenever David tries to understand her...and thats not how you act when someone is trying to understand you. Frankly speaking, the burden was on Syd to say what she wants David to understand, instead she made it a puzzle. Lets also add, David doesnt see all the memories in every loop. As the loops continue, he learns new information...so of course David is gonna get it wrong a bunch of times. Its genuinely just an annoying mind game with Syd. Syd needed to be frank about her feelings and direct, which is a big reason there is hatred for her besides her backstory.

Lets get to the Melonie/Farouk manipulation/brainwashing. First Id like to say, Syd didnt seem to know that it was Farouk using Melonie as a tool. A part of that makes it feel worse for me, even though it shouldnt. Why? Because Melonie is completely and obviously not well and in a bad place to judge people. Her husband was frozen for 20 years after wandering off to the Astral Plane. She rightfully has issues because of that, and Id say anger at Oliver for that is very reasonable, because he himself gradually chose to get lost in the Astral Plane. However, where Melonie breaks is when Farouk takes control of him and he leaves. Syd has been with Melonie for a year and knows she is not doing well. Melonies whole monologue on men leaving in that episode....would not be reasonably trusted by like anyone. Melonie turned against Oliver not after the Astral plane incident, but blamed him for leaving her after he was taken control of by Farouk. Thats what kind of breaks her and shapes her attitude on men, and thats really not reasonable. When Farouk is in control, you cant take back control. A person should reasonably be able to see, that Melonie is projecting her own issues of abandonment by Oliver onto David, and that her judgement is not to believed as unbiased.

Lets get to the specific evidence Melonie uses. Melonie uses David taking pleasure in killing D3 guys when Farouk was in control. She says David genuinely enjoyed and was just as culpable, and willingly went along with it...that is just obviously not true, and you literally have experience with that. Remember in season 1, when Farouk was in control of Davids body? David couldnt break Farouks control until they literally put the circle on his head. It took a specially designed device to isolate Farouk for David to take back control. Blaming David for enjoying the killings in D3 and not Farouk in control, is frankly just really silly given that context.

Next, we have David torturing Oliver. David is torturing Oliver and enjoying it yes. But thats because he believes Farouk is in that body. Is it that difficult to understand that getting revenge on a brain parasite that abused you for 30+ years might be satisfying...even for a much less damaged person than David. Her being convinced by this without regard for Farouk, is what makes it so unreasonable.

You then have the kiss of course with future Syd...and Im at a loss for words. How do you deal with your boyfriend kissing your future self. To have the reaction that is necessarily betrayal in its most malevolent form and not "This is literally super complicated and normal people dont deal with this". Like this had a major part in turning Syd against David, instead of realizing they are in a ridiculous situation where normal people would have no idea how to handle this.

Then we get to the "betrayal". Frankly, I think this is one of the major things that truly divide the fanbase about really hating Syd and others who dont. Syd tries to shoot and kill David(she also says David is the villain and that "Im the hero" which was one of the most annoyingly self absorbed things you can say to someone who was close to you). She fails. David mind blanks her. They have sex later. Farouk undid that mind blanking. She remembers and calls it rape.

This is where it is the breaking point in the fanbase. Is what David did...rape? The showrunners seem to unambiguously think so.

"You can rationalize a lot of things based on feeling like you’re the victim and you deserve something. In his mind, it’s okay to make Syd forget how she feels about him and then rob her of all consent because they’re in love"

Noah Hawley said this, and wrote season 3 in regards to it being a rape.

This situation is ridiculously messy to me. Its not an unambiguous rape scene or scenario, and thats specifically because of the context. Syd goes from having some reasonable worries in their relationship, to full on murder of David in a day. Davids enemy is a telepath who manipulate minds. Farouk is insidiously smart. A lot of how Farouk works is him planting delusions or eggs into peoples heads, and letting the delusions grow.

If your David, and you see the girlfriend who loved your yesterday(as in literally), try to full on shoot you in the head...of course your going to think Farouk brainwashed you or even did. David,in how its presented, wasnt trying to rob Syd because of a messed up love story...but because the context of all this is a literal mind rapist(FarouK) and dramatic changes in behavior(stuff mind rapists do). David also partially even besides this, has a decent reason for mind raping or mind wiping Syd. Its not even just that he wanted his lover back. Syd immediately went into murder mode and refused to back down. They actually had an argument before Syd shot David...and in Davids position, what are you supposed to do? Syd is only trying to murder you now, you have no idea why, Syd will convince the rest of D3 to murder you.

Like the complexities of this situation go beyond "Guy puts a date rape drug in a girls drink to have sex with her" or "husband rapes his wife". This shit is beyond messy and grey.

A common criticism of those who criticize Syd, is that shes infantilized as not in control of her actions. Its just...Syd kind of doesnt refute this, when the situation and context of everything is ridiculously complicated...because you have a mind rapist omega level parasite implanting ideas into peoples heads, and you tried to murder your ex boyfriend without trying to solve this more peacefully first.

Syd never realizes the grey areas of this situation. It is never commented on, and she isnt really called out for her unreasonable actions in regards to this situation, which contributed to David mind raping or mind wiping her. Trying to murder David first is a fucking huge thing that throws the victimhood she feels as being unreasonable. She never reflects on why David acted the way he did...because the way she acted was inherently unreasonable, knowing the situation as is.

I guess a lot of people who hate Syd, disagree with the showrunners about the rape(including myself), and that their portrayal of it without any acknowledgement of how fucking messy everything was makes Syd kind of hateable. I am not trying to excuse rape...but the situation they themselves set up, was more complicated than the conclusion they came to.

Lets go further. We do have the sham trial(which it was) of Syd saying David is both crazy and has powers. She is kind of right, in that David is mentally unwell(very reasonable to assume so, even without Farouk fucking him or his history, any mutant with mind powers should reasonably be assumed to have some mental health issues). She gives him the choice of being drugged into oblivion(in which case he'll be locked up by D3 and have no real life)...or death by gassing.

Season 3 now. Ill try to be quicker with this.

Syd kills David twice. David doesnt kill her when he meets her afterwards because of Switch, but instead tries to talk to her. She is still hellbent on killing David. David quite literally saw himself get killed twice by her...and didnt immediately blow her up. That takes a very large amount of self control and Im not sure...understanding? How David is reacting is way more measured than Syd.

This continues. Syd gets those really stupid tattoos of "me first"...that is like ridiculously cringe. I dont really know how to verbalize how much I hate this choice. If a guy did this, I promise you Id fucking hate it. Its like when guys share those quotes about being a lion or some shit on instagram and taking charge and crap. Its just so weird and self absorbed sort of pity.

Skip to her second childhood episode. I though, okay Syd is having an actual redemption. I loved the episode, I feel even though its a technically big heel turn in one episode, it came across very well and believable.

The problem? Syd didnt change enough. Syd believes in saving Baby David, and believes current David is too far gone...that is proven fundamentally incorrect. Charles Xavier literally snaps David out of getting revenge on Farouk. He convinces David to, maybe not forgive, but let go of a guy who tortured him for 30+ years, and set everyone against him. David is quite literally and unambiguously proven to be not too far gone with this decision, and it just really echoes that Syd reasoning is really shitty.

Like Syd didnt truly understand the lesson Oliver and Melonie imparted on her. Syd took away that she should try to help baby David and prevent the badness that happened to Cynthia. But what Oliver and Melonie were saying, is that you have to try to reach out to Cynthia now. That you have to reach out to that person now and try. If it doesnt work, than thats fine. Your not to blame. But Syd never really understood that lesson and the finale hammers it home. Like all she learns is the baseline "dont murder baby david".

Finally Id like to get to David and Syds last conversation, which is infuriating. Syd says she will be an extraordinary person without David, and without all the things David did to her. No acknowledgement what so ever of what she did to David. He was always in the wrong, and she was the victim, whose own actions actually led to David reacting in the ways he did. David even says "Im sorry" to apologize in the end...and theres nothing from Syd. Just, that babys not gonna do anything to me, and you are shit David. No attempted understanding or resolution with the David she knows.

Its why shes an infuriating character. Shes not hated because of misogyny, and I think the showrunners really failed in writing her or what they were trying to do.

Syd always seems to refuse to acknowledge nuance. That all these things that happened were more complicated than other people being bad to her, but her being bad and unhealthy to other people also caused them to react that way to her. None whatsoever

David gets criticized and called out for his failures. Syd...kind of doesnt.

While listening to the Official Marvel podcast, I started thinking about the continuation of Legion’s story including the other mutants in the show. After some thought here is my list:

1-Kerry and Carey: I might get some pushback on this but I think with a fleshed out background and better writing, these two would work well in the MCU beside the X-men. Carey and Beast could collaborate on the uses of Shi’ar technology while Kerry trains with the best hand to hand instructors on the team.

2-Ptonomy: because his powers are so specific, I would like to see a spinoff of detailing his background and expanding his power set.

Currently at Season 1 episode 6. That dance scene

Aubrey plaza is CRAZY and i love her for it!

I’d like to buy the full set on DVD or Blu Ray but the only place that seems to have it is eBay, and they look like counterfeit from China unfortunately. Any idea where to buy a legitimate copy?

Watching for the first time and I am in awe of the surrealist tropes constantly shown throughout the show. What are some of your favorites? I really enjoyed the diving suit and the worlds angriest boy in the world showing up. Honestly just a big fan of surrealism and its been pretty cool to see it so front and center in a TV show.

I watched the show 4 years ago and didn't have the time to rewatch, so I was looking for the one quote that stuck with me for all these years. Literally cannot find it anywhere. It was a conversation between Syd and either Farouk or Oliver about relationships. The guy said that love is such a strong emotion, that it can't just dissappear when a relationship comes to an end. So it transforms into something else, often hate. I want to know the exact quote, and from what episode it is. Please, help!

I've been trying to figure out if this song is a full song or if it's just a repeating little guitar bit. Hopefully someone knows what I'm talking about. I'm watching the final few episodes and I last heard it in Chapter 26, when David is sitting across the table from Faeruc and he's trying to peak into davids mind.

Hello

just finished the show and i loved. Favorite season was 3. But the other 2 were great. Anyways I still dont see the connection to the xmen films except of the appearance of Charles. Did I misss something?

What are some questions or oblique references the show raised and never answered? I can think of at least three. 1. What was the Lazarus Affair? 2. Who is the Miser Sunday and why did he wipe out the Mi-Go monks? 3. What was with the cow?

So I was watching on Disney Plus not 4 days ago and now I can't access it. It does not appear in my searches and when I click on it from a google search, it says it can't be opened in my region.

Is this happening for any other Canucks? Google says I should still be able to access it.

Just finished the last season and, wow, what a fun ride

I love that Legion freely goes wild and weird (in a positive way!) in its story-telling and and is full of WTF moments that totally break your expectations

• "There is only one way this can end... rap battle!"
• When everyone starts singing out of the blue (it's always blue!)

I love the kind of ambiguity that keeps you guessing what is actually real and what the actual meaning behind everything is. There's a lot of hints all throughout the series that what we see is not real, that what we see is the mental representation of other actual events, and it's still unclear whether these hints are red-herrings or what we see is not really what is happening. Why are most events of the show happen indoors, in similar bedrooms and hallways? For example, the psych ward hallways and bedrooms in S1 look similar to the S2's compound (and that place in a hole in the desert) bedrooms and hallways which look similar to hallways and rooms of the S3's airship and David's commune house and even the time hallway. Then the visual similarity between the various vapor drugs between S1 (when David smoked with Lenny), S2 (when Melanie smokes) and S3 (when David's gang smokes). Or the announcer voices like "new symptom alert" in S2 - is David still in a mental hospital? Or the last interaction between Lenny and David: "Why is it blue? It's always blue" (similar to S1) - has David been trying to reconcile with his past (maybe an overdose of his friend or drug/rape event)? Is time-travel in S3 serving the same purpose as the memory work in S1, and is all part of David's therapy? It all feels like it could represent what's happening inside David's head as he's undergoing the actual process of therapy in real life

I also absolutely loved the psychedelic visuals throughout the series, like a blend between the fractal mind and reality - it adds a lot to the weirdness and creativity of the scenes

I also enjoyed the subtle references to Twin Peaks as a fan of the show. For example the record player that ran out of music or David asking, "What year is it?" Or the blue rose flower. Or the time jumps in S2 and S3 that are reminiscent of the time jumps in the purple sea castle in Twin Peaks S3

There was one episode that I really didn't like, which was the episode about multiverse in S2. In general I really dislike the multiverse in especially superhero movies because it undermines the significance of the characters and events of the show. Also the billionaire David representation in that episode was sooooo over-the-top stereotypical billionaire villain - it was unintentionally funny to me

I liked the ending for the most part. I really liked the speech by Switch in the end, "The Universe acknowledges you. That you exist and that your existence is important" and "nothing of value is ever lost" - to me they felt like really powerful and moving words. I am a little bummed that we didn't get resolution to the mysteries and weirdnesses of the show or an actual confirmation that these things are all happening in David's head (perhaps I am wrong about this theory, but it still makes the most sense to me), and that it felt a little bit like David still hasn't learned what he needed to learn, that bad guys up and left a bit too quickly and eagerly without a process, and that we didn't get to see how David has changed. But overall, I am happy with the ending and how the show progressed. It was definitely a pleasant surprise how unusual the show was especially when compared to other superhero shows

Am I crazy with my theory, or did you also think similarly as you were watching? How do you feel about what it all meant?

I have disney+ and prime video. Neither of which actually have Legion here, despite saying so on their websites.

Where are you watching it? I want to rewatch it