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Term | Definition |
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AMCAS | MD primary application |
AACOMAS | DO primary application |
TMDSAS | Texas primary application |
MSAR | Medical School Admission Requirements (MD Schools) |
BCPM GPA | Biology, Chemistry, Physics, and Math GPA |
sGPA | Science GPA |
cGPA | Cumulative GPA |
uGPA | Undergraduate GPA |
SDN | Student Doctor Network |
LizzyM Score | A number used to combine your GPA and MCAT |
WARS Score | A number used to combine your GPA, MCAT, ECs, and other factors |
WAMC | What Are My Chances? |
SMPs | Special Masters Programs |
ECs | Extracurriculars |
LoRs | Letters of Recommendation |
CC | Community College |
II | Interview Invite |
URM | Under Represented in Medicine |
ORM | Over Represented in Medicine |
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If I received a fellowship/stipend to pursue a summer public service project teaching ESL to immigrant kids in a specific neighborhood, can I still classify the activity under community service? Or since I received $$ for it, it is now employment?
For context, I am low-income and needed the stipend/fellowship to off-set living cost during the summer while pursuing the project.
I’m looking for schools with a good neurology program or other related neuroscience focus. Also just looking for schools that match my stats. Any advice appreciated!!
Haven’t got my MCAT back yet but here’s my info: Live in OH 3.9 GPA Research: 200 hrs, 1 poster, 1 paper in progress Paid clinical: 600 hrs Clinical volunteering: 80 hrs Non-clinical volunteering: 1600 Shadowing: 55 hrs Leadership position in 3 clubs and research Travel club sports: 200hrs
My research, clinical volunteering and paid clinical are all centered around dementia and Alzheimer’s Disease
I go to a public university in California and I'm a fourth year and will be completing my degree in June 2024. It's a long story but I missed most of my 3rd year and I'm a transfer so I'm about 3 quarters behind in my prerequisites. I know a lot of medical schools have "no prerequisites" but there's a bunch I'm gonna apply to that do have the regular science and math requirements. Is it best to defer my graduation until 2025 and take another year of school or would it be best to graduate and complete my prerequisites postbaccalaureate?
So my university gave me the option to either choose cal 3 or statistics when I was in undergrad for my bachelors and I chose cal 3. Will med schools take my cal 3 credit or is stats needed?
need advice, kinda unsure of what to do. taking two gap years
little about me: about to graduate in two weeks. haven’t taken the mcat yet. planning to study during gap years
i did 2 and a half yrs total of research during undergrad, no pubs but did a poster presentation. two different clinical trials
i attend a t10 university.
received some prestigious awards (from a former US president) during undergrad for public service / volunteer work (was not born here, but am a u.s. citizen, travel back to my birth country every year for a public health NGO i run). ~800 volunteer hours for this
3.7 gpa… haven’t calculated my science gpa but i know its not good. probably closer to 3.2? grade deflation here is crazy
was a CNA in highschool and some of college. worked in the very beginning and throughout the peak of covid. ~800 hours
got an acceptance to attend 15 month MPH program $50k in loans at a t10…
so, what should i do? should i focus on getting a research job? should i do a post bacc to increase my science GPA ? right now i have no college debt because i got a full ride, and the MPH or post bacc would probably cost me $50k + interest in loans because i am a low income student. i’m not really interested in taking out loans before med school but i am super interested in public health and would enjoy it. i’m also not sure i have any close relationships with science professors to get letters of recommendation so maybe the mph would help me get closer to some profs? idk what to do to maximize my two gap years.
Is it allowed to start a new AMCAS primary if on the waitlists for different schools? No details given by schools and at this point I'd rather submit another app
Holy crap. Got off waitlist today, looking at just the schools themselves is it always worth it to go MD over DO? I was heartbroken for so long that I was forced into DO but thankful that TCOM is consistently one of the best universities for osteopathic medicine in the states, and after months of hearing crickets from waitlists finally accepted my fate. Today I was accepted to TAMUs program, what is the general consensus of the quality of education and residency match rate between these schools???
Don’t lose hope WL warriors!
Also I have one day to decide so yall please chime in asap!
Hi,
I have been volunteering for a reproductive health org for about a year and I the founder agreed to write an LOC for me but she asked me what she should highlight and I have no idea what to tell her.
I am a member of a smaller and newer branch of the org that focuses on young people, and we have not done a single thing since I have started. I have created numerous social media posts that the org never posted, and I even went about creating a great Notion and taught everyone how to use it.
I have read people creating docs that pretty much tell the letter writer what to say but I am not sure how to go about that.
I am currently a high school junior, and since I was younger, my parent has strongly suggested to become a doctor. After so long, I can’t think of any other career to pursue than becoming a doctor. So I want to become a doctor. Honestly, up until this point, I’ve done nothing to support that statement. I concluded that I would want to pursue psychiatry, because I find human behavior to be an intriguing thing to study. Especially research. However, what I said before still stands. I know that by doing nothing, I’m obviously doing everything wrong.
I don’t really have friends to ask this. So I’ll ask here. How have you all “prepared” for this path? If you decided on it early, elementary, middle, or high school. When did you decide? How did you know?
What did you do in high school? Outside of maintaining a high GPA (3.5+) and high SAT/ACT depending on your school choice.
I assume that in university extracurriculars are more important (outside of MCAT and GPA), and they must be various and of a multitude. Volunteering, internships, clubs. Because of the competitiveness of medical school admissions in general and for you as person to have experience before starting medical school.
Considering my current academic profile, I know that I would not get accepted into an BS/MD, and it’s probably for the better anyway. I don’t trust that I can even do everything properly.
Like a lot of others on here, I finally got my MCAT score today and have started putting together a school list. I used admit.org for guidance but wanted some human feedback as well. More about me:
518 MCAT, 3.77 cGPA, 3.67 sGPA, 4.0 GPA in a one year master's program (public health related), T5 undergrad
D1 athlete (~2500 hours), 500 hours of basic science research in chemistry (pub pending), 480 clinical hours (120 volunteer, 360 paid), 100 non clinical volunteering hours, 40 hours shadowing
Other stuff: ORM male, dual citizen and have represented my other country in international competitions
School list:
Duke, Vandy, Chicago, Northwestern, Weill Cornell, Harvard, Icahn Mt Sinai (reaches)
NJMS, RWJMS, Cooper, Hackensack Meridian (in state)
Hofstra, Pitt, USF, Case Western, Michigan, Emory, Rochester, Brown, BU, Einstein, Miami (target)
Jefferson, Georgetown, Stony Brook, Dartmouth, Tufts, Drexel, NYMC, Quinnipiac, Wake Forest, Geisinger, Loyola, Ohio State, Penn State, Maryland, Cincinnati (baseline)
Looking to apply to about 30 schools so I'll need to cut this down. Which schools should I remove, and are there any more reaches or targets that I could add?
What to do about not having your final grades inputted for school
Am I reading this correctly, they are basing the wavier based off of parental income??? This can’t be right?? I’m independent!
and I am talking to those who are either refreshing their schools' pages 1000x times a day or for those who are mentally torturing themselves by reading every single comment of those who have gotten off the WL.
and I am guilty of both, and I happened to have found out about SDN a couple weeks ago through reddit and, this added a good chunk of mental draining and feeling of hopelessness every time I see someone get off the WL at my state's MD school that I really want to attend.
so, give yourself (and myself too) a break and stay off the site. If a school wants you, they will call/email and nothing on SDN will affect that. So why put yourself through that mental torture?
I just got my MCAT back today. 509 (127/125/126/131). I was hoping for a 510+ so pretty bumped that I was so close ;( yet still not there. I am also worry about 125 CARS, do you think Texas schools screen out 125 CARS?
I am a Texas resident, fap recipient. I am applying to all the schools on TMDSAS (including the 2 DO schools). Do you know if my MCAT is good enough for Texas schools within the context that I am an immigrant, FGLI, ORM (Asian), and solid essays (heavy service focused) and average GPA (3.7)
I originally took and got a 504 (127/125/128/124). Retested and got a 508 (126/127/127/128). My mentor really encouraged me to take it one more time. They even paid for me to take a course/get a tutor. My tutors were confident that I would get between a 510-515. So I am really shocked that I got when I opened my MCAT today I got a 506 (125/124/128/129).
My CARS average was 128 so very very shocked at that score. I did have an issue with the testing center with timing (no one was available to check me in for the second section so I missed 5 minutes). I knew it would affect my score but I’m shocked by that much.
So I am just hoping for some encouragement or a reality check on my chance for applying to med school this upcoming cycle.
My GPA: 3.71 strong upward trend.
Research: 1000 hrs with one poster presentation
Clinical volunteering: 200 hrs
Clinical: 400 hrs EMT 40 hrs phlebotomy 100hrs as a behavioral tech.
Shadowing: 110hrs in a pretty cool program where I got to watch surgeries and get exposed to multiple specialities
Additionally I have a theme of my application.
I’m just really shocked about my score and very worried about a lower score. Any one have stories where they got a lower score and still got in? Any advice is much appreciated!
Good afternoon everyone
I'm trying to prompt a conversation about different types of anatomy labs. Originally I thought everyone had a full scale cadaver lab, I am coming to find out some schools only do virtual labs or like a teacher demo type thing?
Has anyone come across any resources which would differentiate schools which do one from the other?
Thank you so much!
Been trying to find an answer to this question for the last couple of weeks on here and other internet sources but no luck.
This is a not a thesis course, just a very small upper level course.
However, 45% of our grade was based on us executing a study and writing a research paper that would have been submission ready for an undergraduate journal.
Went through all the steps from developing a research question, making letters of consent and information, getting ethics approval, collecting data with participants, doing statistical analysis and then writing the full paper with all the components. PI was listed as our professor.
Can I include this as research on AMCAS? Or no because it was to earn course credit? I have other research that I’m including (done at the hospital outside of school) but I wasn’t sure if I could use this as well.
If anything, I was more involved in this research project than the ones at my current lab because it was 100% my ideas that I saw through from very beginning until very end.
Thanks!!!
Stats: 3.85 gpa, 3.7sgpa
MCAT: 506 (127/124/127/128) 5/13/23 --> 507 (125/125/128/129) 4/12/24
Undergrad: T30 rigorous
600 hours volunteering clinical
350 hours EMT
1000 hours metabolism research (2 posters, 1 regional and one national) +Abstract published
400 hours asthma research (i had asthma) (1 submitted manuscript) CONTINUING INTO GAP YEAR
3200 hours running laundromat business ( wrote about how I helped the underserved community at the location with the business)
started my own fraternity (200 hours)
VP of an ethnic org (200 hours)
Youth soccer coach (300 hours)
worked in magazine company (200 hours)
scuba diving hobby (250 hours)
Volunteered abroad, triaged patients and stuff (70 hours)
Started this gap year, volunteering in prison to help individuals get their GED
Helped pass 4 bills enhancing healthcare accessibility with my non profit I am a part of (400 hours)
5 LORS: OCHEM (mid), Physics (mid), Kinesiology (she said it was strong), research PI (strong, I saw it), and Nonprofit supervisor( Strong, I saw it)
TLDR:
Basically, I think my ec's are strong, and i think I would be competitive for top schools. However obviously my mcat sucks. my mcat average was a 514, so maybe it was a fluke idk. Should I take my mcat again in a month or take a gap year and completely restudy? Only want to do MD, and i prefer top schools because I wanted to do a competitive residency like derm or ortho. Any advice would be appreciated.
My AP courses are listed under a section called "Test Credits" instead of any semester section. Within the "Test Credits" section though, it says each AP course was "Transferred to SP 2022."
Should I put the AP courses in AMCAS under the Spring (SP) 2022 term or the Fall 2021 term when I started college?
I am thankful to have 2 A's at my top choices. I already know which one I plan to attend and have been accepted to an apartment complex in the area. Either way, here I am staring down this commit to enroll button like it is the Eye of Sauron. Anyone else terrified of this button?
need help choosing between nymc vs quinnipiac
If there are any medical students on this forum and could speak to their experiences or if they had to choose between these two schools, that would help a lot thanks!
Im OOS for both, so cost/distance is around the same btw
I have a bachelors in geology that has a 3.4 gpa, but factoring in the F and NC class grades like amcas would, I probably have a 3.2cgpa and I have like ~10 Ws.😖 I struggled with my mental health all through out undergrad.
So I was planning on getting a second bachelors in human bio while simultaneously completing premed courses.
Assuming I get straight A’s from now on, I show an upward trend, score 510-520 on mcat and have great EC’s do I stand a chance????
So,
I've been trying to submit my transcript from Florida Atlantic University to AMCAS through National Student Clearinghouse (NSC), but whenever I select American Medical College Application Service as the recipient, I do not get a prompt to input my AAMC and transcript IDs, they only ask for the recipient's email. I already submitted a request through NSC and put etranscripts@aamc.org as the recipient email, and I attached the paper mail request form, but after calling AAMC they told me they don't accept transcripts in that way. When I emailed the university's registrar office for instructions, they literally had no clue what to do. Any insight on this? Should I just submit a mail request?
PLEASE can somebody tell me how to enter ROTC classes into AMCAS app. Last year I entered them as leadership courses, and AMCAS bounced back my app and said to list them as military credits and that I needed a Joint Services transcript for all military credits. This caused my application to get put into a spam folder (per AMCAS) because I had the same class on two different transcripts. This year, per their handbook, ROTC courses are not military credits. However, AMCAS people told me to still list them as credits (the first person pawned me off to a different employee because they didn't even know how to answer my question) and to still list the JST. I just got back from AMEDD BOLC and none of my friends who are starting med school have even heard of a joint services transcript. SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME
Do you get screened out by your overall or sGPA? If i have a overall above 3.0 but science slightly under, would I still be screened out despite good MCAT score? Does anyone have any knowledge on this or can give tips on avoiding being screened out?
I have 2 transcripts being sent in for my application: one for the University I did attend and the other from a University which I took dual-credit classes through my senior year of high school. Those classes are on their respective transcript, but they are also listed as transfer credits on the transcript for the school I ended up attending. Do I need to report these for the school I attended if they are already included on the other school's transcript? Thanks.
Hello all. I (24M -ORM) am writing to organize my thoughts and to get some advice on my next steps. I was considering applying this upcoming cycle and had everything prepared- LORs, PS, and committee letters. I sit at a cGPA of 3.4 and a sGPA of 3.2 on the East Coast in the DMV area. I have about 3000 clinical hours combined as a ortho scribe, COVID tester, and hospital volunteer. 100 hours research under a clinical psych professor. 500 hours non-clinical hours as a summer school Teacher's Aide and Justice Arts volunteer transcriber.
However, my hopes were dashed by my MCAT retake --4/13 : 491. Initially, I took the MCAT back in June 2023 and got a 490.
My FLs (FL1-5) in prep for my retake were much better about 500, 501, 505, 506, 504 respectively. I'll chalk it up to testing anxiety or something but man - I don't know what to do. I also did Anki and Uplanet. I was studying from Dec 2023 - March 2024, about 12 hrs /week while working as scribe 20 hrs/week.
My questions are: Should I postpone my application and opt for another gap year - I graduated from undergrad back in Dec 2022. Biology and Psych double degree B.S.
What should I do in the gap year - try the MCAT again for the 3rd time? Would schools look at the 3rd attempt differently?
Can I even become a doctor? I'm at a still of disbelief from the score release and experiencing a lot of neuroticism. My family are hesitant in giving me any more support as I "wasted time and money" for nothing. They are more on pushing me to change careers to whatever I can to make money.
Sorry for the long post. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
TLDR: 2nd MCAT score bad, should I do another gap year (will be 2nd gap year) for MCAT again? Or reconsider career?
Guys I understand this is probably a dumb question, but I’m curious. I’m gonna start volunteering at unmc very soon (just had the interview) for the next 3 1/2 years. Will volunteering help increase chances of getting accepted to UNMC? I also saw that they have a summer research program and I’m thinking of possibly applying for that next summer. When I apply in 4 years from now. Will they remember this and possibly boost my chances?
Looking to apply to 5 DOs, 25 target MDs, and 5 reach MDs. Please give any advice on what schools to add/remove! Or if I should have a different split between DOs/MDs! Thank you in advance if you reply!
Male; ORM
IL resident; FL undergrad.
MCAT: 514 129/128/129/128 (4/12); 509 125/126/128/130 (1/12)
cGPA: 3.78 (4.0 past two semesters)
sGPA: 3.75
500 hours clinical paid - pediatric scribing
150 hours clinical volunteering - cancer center
200 hours shadowing - internal med. + orthopedic surgery
50 hours international shadowing - pediatrics + opthamology
250 hours nonclinical volunteering - working with Down syndrome
200 hours nonclinical volunteering - church stuff
200 hours social justice/advocacy - founder/pres. of diabetes awareness club
100 hours social justice/advocacy - leadership in mental health awareness club
other miscellaneous leadership/hours
300 hours literature review research on colorectal cancer and gut microbiome
100 hours clinical research assistant, basic vital taking really
strong LORs
DO List (4 but want 5):
Nova Southeastern
Michigan State
Midwestern
Rowan
MD Target List (27 but want 20):
Rosalind Franklin
Uni. Illinois Chicago
Loyola Chicago
Rush
Southern Illinois
Nova Southeastern KPCOM
FIU
GWU
Quinnipiac
Tulane
Wayne State
Western Michigan
Indiana
Northeast Ohio
Albany
New York Medical College
Wake Forest
Drexel
Penn State
Temple
Geisinger
Vermont
Virginia Commonwealth
Eastern Virginia
Medical College of Wisconsin
UWisconsin
Reach MD List (4 but want 5):
UMiami
Georgetown
Dartmouth
Albert Einstein
Now is when it hit me, but last Friday I received an email for a school (ATSU-KCOM) inviting me to an interview this late in the cycle. What should I expect for this interview? They previously messaged me that in order to get an interview with them, I needed DO shadowing (I didn’t have at the time and I still don’t have any DO shadowing lol). And now they are inviting me for an interview, which I’m taking as a good thing, but I can’t fight the feeling I might be fighting for another waitlist spot.