After having read the three sisters comic and shadowrising I have had some thoughts on regards to the current state of  the relationship. Some have put into question wether or not it will falter or remain strong.

Let me preface by saying that no, I don’t think it will break down, but since the strain in the relationship is noticeable I wanted to ask people about what they think.

The main question would be, what would you think are the chances they will actually split up in the future? 

In shadowrising we are shown that they can now touch freely. It happens thrice at least and even if there seems to be a barrier that Alleria puts up she clearly enjoys that it happens and accepts his tender touches.

In the very same book she has another of her nightmares where Sylvana taunts her and she sees her husband and kid dying. In that excerpt she herself says if she were to die as the voices become unbearable at least it would be with the name of her most loved ones in her mouth, her Husband and Arator.

We are told they don’t sleep in the same tent while travelling, and she stays awake at night yearning for him that but that she also doesn’t know how to act with him when they are near at day. 

In the same chapter the following is said:

“She tossed a glance in his direction, and whatever Turalyon saw in her gaze convinced him to drop it. That was why their love even had a chance of enduring, that he could see the darkness in her and accept it. Many would consider their relationship an impossibility, Turalyon forged in the exalted light of X’era, and Alleria imbued with the void energy L’ura were for all appearances too different to coexist peacefully. But Alleria saw the poetry in it. There was no light without the shadow, and a bond like theirs, fashioned in the fires of tragedy and strife, was not easily sundered”

To me at least it reads as it being quite rock solid, they clearly love each other a lot but that Alleria seems to be forcing herself to put a barrier between them in fear that she will eventually harm him. 

I don’t think this has ever been directly stated as far as I know though, I struggle to see another reason why would she give the could shoulder, when her internal monologue is quite clear that she is committed.

My thoughts now are that even if there is potential conflict in the future with the foreseen light vs void conflict the whole relationship reads as a metaphor for the greater message that the story will paint, of both powers living in harmony. A meta context for how the saga will evolve if you will.

Ultimately I have no doubt that Turalyon is not going to give up on his wife. I am sure there will be a faction wide conflict that will ultimately resolve in both forces coexisting. And perhaps he will have to choose between the light and her, I don’t see him giving up his family.

As for Alleria, she seems to be headed in the direct of her having to overcome the voices that are causing the strife in the first place. 

Her nightmares and voices tell her to kill her loved ones, and she herself says her greatest fear is doing exactly that. I don’t see any character growth in her leaving her husband who clearly still accepts and loves her and she still internally shows she loves very much or killing/harming her kid. It would directly go against what her character arc i believe is going for or the meta context of the story between light/void.

Something tells me that even with all the prophecies and visions. I don’t see only one of them being killed off, because that would defeat the whole point of her character arc. Either both go down or none. Mind you she could ultimately fail and be consumed, if something happens to her family but that would be a character death anyway because she would no longer be herself.

Regarding the topic, what are your thoughts? 

¿Are her doubts about the relationship real or just the situation they are in now? 

¿Does she love him less or is it just a matter of projecting her fear or harming him?

¿Will the relationship break or are they going to remain together to the ultimate consequences? 

After having read the three sisters comic and shadowrising I have had some thoughts on regards to the current state of  the relationship. Some have put into question wether or not it will falter or remain strong.

Let me preface by saying that no, I don’t think it will break down, but since the strain in the relationship is noticeable I wanted to ask people about what they think.

The main question would be, what would you think are the chances they will actually split up in the future? 

In shadowrising we are shown that they can now touch freely. It happens thrice at least and even if there seems to be a barrier that Alleria puts up she clearly enjoys that it happens and accepts his tender touches.

In the very same book she has another of her nightmares where Sylvana taunts her and she sees her husband and kid dying. In that excerpt she herself says if she were to die as the voices become unbearable at least it would be with the name of her most loved ones in her mouth, her Husband and Arator.

In the same book Alleria has an internal conflict in which she tells the reader that they don’t sleep in the same tent while travelling, and she stays awake at night yearning for him that but that she also doesn’t know how to act with him when they are near at day. 

In the same chapter it is said the following:

“She tossed a glance in his direction, and whatever Turalyon saw in her gaze convinced him to drop it. That was why their love even had a chance of enduring, that he could see the darkness in her and accept it. Many would consider their relationship an impossibility, Turalyon forged in the exalted light of X’era, and Alleria imbued with the void energy L’ura were for all appearances too different to coexist peacefully. But Alleria saw the poetry in it. There was no light without the shadow, and a bond like theirs, fashioned in the fires of tragedy and strife, was not easily sundered”

To me at least it reads as it being quite rock solid, they clearly love each other a lot but that Alleria seems to be forcing herself to put a barrier between them in fear that she will eventually harm him. 

I don’t think this has ever been directly stated as far as I know though, I struggle to see another reason why would she give the could shoulder, when her internal monologue is quite clear that she is committed.

My thoughts now are that even if there is potential conflict in the future with the foreseen light vs void conflict the whole relationship reads as a metaphor for the greater message that the story will paint, of both powers living in harmony. A meta context for how the saga will evolve if you will.

Ultimately I have no doubt that Turalyon is not going to give up on his wife. I am sure there will be a faction wide conflict that will ultimately resolve in both forces coexisting. And perhaps he will have to choose between the light and her, I don’t see him giving up his family.

As for Alleria, she seems to be headed in the direct of her having to overcome the voices that are causing the strife in the first place. 

Her nightmares and voices tell her to kill her loved ones, and she herself says her greatest fear is doing exactly that. I don’t see any character growth in her leaving her husband who clearly still accepts and loves her and she still internally shows she loves very much or killing/harming her kid. It would directly go against what her character arc i believe is going for or the meta context of the story between light/void.

Something tells me that even with all the prophecies and visions. I don’t see only one of them being killed off, because that would defeat the whole point of her character arc. Either both go down or none. Mind you she could ultimately fail and be consumed, if something happens to her family but that would be a character death anyway because she would no longer be herself.

Regarding the topic, what are your thoughts? 

¿Are her doubts about the relationship real or just the situation they are in now? 

¿Does she love him less or is it just a matter of projecting her desire to protect him?

¿Will the relationship break or are they going to remain together to the ultimate consequences? 

First of all, to make it clear, I won't be one of the people who blames him for all. The state of storytelling in game can not be one man's fault, there were at least a few people involved in it. Also, I won't be the one to say he's a bad writer per se, just that this game's storytelling maybe didn't fir his interests or didn't inspire him.

That said, he's record when it comes to this game's storytelling is unimpressive to say the least. He's been in charge over the last two expanaions, Shadowlands and Dragonflight, the worst two expansions storywise by a long shot.

What we know is that he quitely left Blizzard some 6 months ago, roughly at the time Metzen cqme back basically to place that was held by Danuser up until that point (who also succeeded Metzen to begin with, some time during BfA).

Then a few months ago, Blizzard came up with a statement for Shadowlands, saying something like: "Yeah, we messed up with Shadowlands, the story was just bad."

Do you think the company (not really justly, like many fans) put a blame on Danuser, and he actually got fired, and not just quitely left? To me, it does seem so.

I mean, yeah sure, the writting has been terrible for the last two expansions, and the writing team needed to change (desperately)... but blaming it on just one man is wrong, imo.

This is just a random ass thought in my head, but what if some one brought some mana wyrms and released them around the well of eternity on mount hyjal? The well is inexhaustible arcane magic, and mana wyrms have a endless appetite for arcane magic. They also get bigger the more they consume...

What if Bronze Dragonflight is gutting other timelines to make sure the one timeline they decided is the prime one gets preferential treatment? What if the prime timeline is the only one where Legion lost?

Druids and night elves seem to think arcane magic is unnatural, as do the tauren. But...it's always been present on azeroth, the literal heart and soul of the world is a titan, a being of pure arcane magic. How can arcane magic not be natural?

I don't like where the story for Sylvanas started going after Wrath. My head canon has been that she chased after Arthas. I'm not sure how I would work in the factions going to Shadowlands but when they did Ve'Nari would actually be Sylvanas.

please^dont^flame^me

A lot of people have been posting "how long has it been since-" or "how old would a character be if-" and so I'll just cover them all and ask if there is a clear and unambiguous official timeline, or at least if there are official sources confirming exactly how much time has passed between games and expacs to piece one together. I found this one, but since it's from 2016 it only goes up to Warlords of Draenor. I even stooped so low as to check wowpedia dot fandom and while it did go up to the present, it also blatantly contradicted some official sources we have like the above timeline, so I don't really trust it to be anything more than one guy's headcanon being passed off as real.

These aren't even confirmed to have actually been implemented in the wow universe, or are completely without context, or are straight up fakes made for the most gullible people on the planet. Can we have a blanket ban/rule on anything that is unreleased or pure speculation? Things like "wow I bet the new expansion will be X themed because there was an XY themed mount in the store 3 months ago!" doesn't even qualify as lore

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This is to spark a discussion of course.

I'm saying this because after their mutations, they tend to retain most if not all of their free will, as opposed to corrupted species like tainted/fel orcs (who enter a sort of animalistic frenzy).

[You can read it here on Icy Veins.] (https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/78824-unraveling-the-war-within-story-through-datamining/)

I was looking around for an addon that would point me towards quests or books related to specific characters when I stumbled upon this addon. What it does is collect all books, documents, quest items, etc that you find and adds them to a personal library accessible from anywhere. It also shows you the pieces your are missing, where they drop and where to find them. Honestly I don't understand why this is not a built-in feature.

The UI looks really good and fits well with the rest of the old widgets and windows, a thing I always respect.

The only issue with it is that it hasn't been updated since Legion I think so I am not sure it contains any of the new lore from recent expansions.

If anybody knows his way around addon devlopment, lua and stuff it would be so cool to revive this. For a lore aficiando this is a gold mine.

i'm playing through the goblin starting experience for the first time and at one point you go to some night elf/naga ruins on the lost isles. i got to thinking about how the sundering was like 10,000 years ago or whatever and it made me seriously question what the actual fuck the naga have been doing all this time. like, yall still live like this? how? why? the naga seriously couldn't have even rebuilt anything in that time? it confuses me.

The Mandela effect is essentially a falsehood or misconception which is accepted as fact. A potential example would be Flamewaker/Flamewalker

I'm not sure how united Stormwind and the surrounding kingdoms were to Lordaeron. But if they didn't listen, there'd of course still be humans on EK.

How would it have affected the legion's invasion? The orcs' arrival? The scourge's overtaking?

So if they had found out she had essentially gone rogue, and done an intervention against her, do you think their combined powers and skills would be enough to stop her and strip her of her powers?

Let's assume this council of six has Peak Antonidas, Kael'thas, and Krasus (I forget what time period he was on the council but let's assume he was on it back then).

also they get all the prep time they think is nescessary to be ready to fight Aegwynn

Edit: a lot of people seem to think this is a stomp in Aegwynns favor, so I'm going to add two new conditions.

1. The council realize Aegwynn may be too powerful, so they call in some backup from those they have asked in the past for advice on magic matters, the high elves. King Anasterian doesn't want to get involved, but Kael'thas as prince is able to convince him to send at least one person, arguably the best high elven spell caster of this time period. Belo'vir the Grand Magister.
2. Krasus understands Aegwynns powers are monstrous and beyond them, so he successfully tries to convince one of the elder blue dragons to help them defeat her. So he gets Arcanagos to help them. (I chose him since he was interested in these matters enough to later try to stop medivh).

Is the Grand Magister of Quel'Thalas and a Elder Blue Dragon enough to make this a fair fight?

Don't get me wrong, the Blackrock Clan's attack on Dalaran in the Pixel game of WarCraft II came long before the lore about the Troll Wars ever began. Despite this, it does beg the question because the orcs were attacking a magical cityscape, and inside are numerous spell casters such as the mages, and we've seen how very capable they were back in WarCraft II.

So why didn't the mages conjure the same Columns of Fire to wipe out the invading orcs? Could it have something to do with their accompanying (albeit enslaved) Red Dragons, who though were not as magically adapt as the Blues yet were still capable, such as Korialstrasz/Krasus, who served as the Kirin Tor's Archmage?

As a matter of fact, why didn't they even use it against Arthas and his Scourge years later in WarCraft III? Could it have something to do with Blizzard wanting Arthas to win, or could it heavily imply magical residue that could corrupt the land?

Been doing the dk class hall again to get the title on my new dk, and was wondering on other ideas for who could’ve been risen as the four horsemen during Legion. The only other person I could think of would be Anduin Lothar, but I couldn’t really think of any other good ones. I’m sure this has been asked before, but I digress.

Title. I know humans love cheese. Dwarves worship mead. Elves are devoted to wine.

• What kind of foods and drinks do the playable races consume?
• Do any of the races have a staple food?
• Which race has the best food and drinks?
• Where do they obtain the materials for their food and drinks?

Uldir does seem much more high tech than any other titan facility.

Energy walls. The grates on the ground. Mother looks like she is straight out of space.

At the same time the "watchers" and titan constructs there seem to have the most rudimental programming. With that I mean that their speech patterns are very simple when compared to constructs from anywhere else.

imagine an adult pandaren born & raised on the wandering isle meets and marries a pandaren on mainland pandaria and has a kid together.

using wrathion for comparison he was 2 during MoP, 5-6 for BfA, 12 in DF... so the child born in MoP would be like 10-13? depending on how many years the events of DF take?

As far as I know they've never been stated to be nobility, yet Windrunner spire is the second biggest house in high elf/blood elf lands, second only to Sunfury Spire, the Royal Palace. There's also a village next to Windrunner Spire called Windrunner village, which is bizarre since no one else has villages named after their family in High Elf/Blood Elf lands, not even the former royal family. (Sunstrider Isle is more of a research station). One has to wonder if they ruled Windrunner village as vassals of the High King.

I understand several members of the family have been Ranger Generals, but that in of it self wouldn't warrant such a extravagant house and control of a village.

Imagine trying to take Windrunner seriously in the rain, eyebrows plastered to her cheeks. 😂

It's still a little hard for me to grasp the idea of them being risen as undead because given that they are titan-forged constructs that haven't been given the curse of flesh it's still difficult to wrap my mind around them being raised as undead.

This is also sparks questions as to who is raising them, could some of them theoretically be Earthen raised during Arthas' conquest of Northrend or dead Earthen raised by Bolvar from the Storm Peaks that we haven't seen till now? If so could Frostborn also be raised as undead?

On the other hand could it be that the Ebon Blade is up to shenanigans and decided to raise more people in secret?

I want to know people's thoughts!

Basically title.

I'm really interested in the figurative landscape of both of them before the Horde and Alliance officially establish a foothold in these areas.

I know Northrend was always accessible, unlike Outland, but I'm curious if there's any solid lore of what was going on in these areas between WC3 and TBC/WotLK.

Which race(s) you dont like from lore-wise perspective? Playable and non-playable.

Hey all. Just thinking about the world soul saga, and the fact that by the end of it, it’ll be six expansions removed from the defeat of the Legion. I think that’s really interesting, considering most players for a while seemed to think the Legion was truly the end goal and the finale of the story. I think Blizz has done a surprisingly good job setting up additional story threads, some even set up in the midst of the Legion’s defeat (what sword?) that allow for a natural continuation of the story, but I can’t help wonder about alternate timelines in our own reality. The three expansion “saga” finale of this chapter could have been a full expansion of Argus, K’aresh and something unknown, but it’s going to be all (mostly?) on Azeroth. By the time the world soul saga completes, we’re going to be an entire decade of real life time removed from the defeat of the legion.

How does this make you feel? Do you think it’s a good progression of the story, should the legion have been the “saga”, or any other thoughts?

Correct me if I'm wrong please but u feel Ner'zul got incredibly screwed.

He thought he was talking to his ancestors turns out its kil'jaden screws him over

Gul'dan over throws Ner'zul and kicks him to the side (for reasons I'm unsure) as he's to weak

Kil'jaden then tortures him for a few years then outs him in some armor to co trol the dammed

Arthas does his work for him then screws him over and takes over as lich king

Finally gets sent to the maw where the Jailer is waiting for him to then screw him over for a few 100 years for us to finally kill him

Poor guy

I didn’t play during shadowlands so could someone help me understand how shamanism is connected to the elemental spirits but also other spirits such as ghost wolves / ancestors?

What is this interaction between the elemental plane and the afterlife?