they’re all annoying but Taylor is the most annoying of them all. And Blair.

Never before have I found a film, and soundtrack (the staves I'm om fire). That has described my mind so perfectly. At 17 sat at Oxford Road train skipping collge with my best friend Helen, we decided to skip and Co to he house and watch girl more girls, she was to interlelgent to ask is if I was gay(which I am). She what was my idea of perfection. I said a cabin with WiFi, tv, and a river/lake to swim and to be alone.

Obviously 2 big omissions but mainly for news/books/music.

My mind will never be normal, I just hope it finds a place it will be at peace .

I just found this series and binged it and saw it was universally hated but I kinda liked it even though it was bad. It’s Lost + The Matrix + The Hunger Games + The Island (Ewan McGregor) + lots of other sci fi/fantasy that made it compelling enough to keep watching. Maybe there’s just not enough on right now to keep me entertained 😂

So at first I was mildly annoyed that it seemed to be ripping off Lost but the longer it went on I just ignored all of the similarities to other movies and shows and enjoyed it. Yes there are a ton of plot holes big enough to drive a semi through and the acting ranged from semi-good to really bad, but I liked the main character and some of the secondary characters. And Alex Pettyfer is just eye candy. I liked the twists and the concept. I think it could have been developed and made into a longer series if they’d made an effort to tighten up the story and develop the characters. Anyway I plan to rewatch now with the knowledge of what the reality actually was. So I know 95% of the people here hated it but I enjoyed it!

I can't get over the dialogue Chase first has with Warden:

• Chase: i'm small but mighty
• Warden: i like that, where did you pick that up?
• Chase: my mom called me that when I was young :P

Like omgosh as if that's not a common saying at all.

I'm only on my 3rd episode but shows like this have so many directions they can go since its not based on hard scientific fact. This is my new wayward pines!

Honestly, this show was pretty ok. I think people were pressed to automatically dismiss it as a “bad show” but hey at least it’s no Riverdale. In the realm of sci-fi mind-bendy stuff, it’s not the best but I found it enjoyable nonetheless.

I enjoyed the main character Chase and her tough attitude. I’m kinda tired after watching the entire thing straight, so I don’t feel like typing anymore lol, but it’s nice to read the other threads for the show.

It’s so rough. Everything is happening so quickly and dramatically. They were way too calm waking up on the island, they got extra aggressive against Chase for no reason at all. Everyone has an attitude based off nothing. It irritates me so much but I can’t stop watching!

I gotta say. This show looked a little spooky and I put off watching it. We ran out of other shows and decided to give it a shot. Oh lord. That frat episode was COMICAL. I did see that it had an 8% rating on Rotten Tomatoes and now I see why. I damn sure will be finishing this show but geez Louise. This writing is hilarious.

I can’t post it because i can’t screen shot it but at 36:15 when Chase is walking through the abandoned building on the island there’s a face that slowly creeps into the seen and quickly disappears! It’s so creepy can anyone tell me what it is if you know!

I’m dead lol 💀💀

Taylor face when they said it wasn’t no chicken on this island was hilarious

She unwrapped the bandage and was scared as hell

Its kind of funny to me thats what she gets for being a bitch

Shout out to the actor she played her role well in this episode 🤣🤣

The daughter was in prison for killing her mother So what was Cooper's crime?

Then they found out that daughter was innocent, that Cooper had killed the mother, again, what was Cooper convicted of?

Stupid show did not make any sense.

Yea, we wrongly imprisoned you for 25 years. Here is $200 (About $105 after 25 yr inflation), sorry bout that. Buh-bye.

It was a violently average show. I thought the actors were interesting, but I think they got screwed over by the script. I'd watch more acting from these folks in different shows/movies.

I'm late to the whole scene, but just wanted to drop my 2 cents off here before I head on to other shows. The twist that they were all criminals was the best part of it.

I really thought they were going to fully commit and make the Texas prison the hallucination, but then they semi-committed with the avatar bull shit. And then Chase, after so much dogged determination and sheer bull-headedness about doing whatever she can to learn more and mess shit up, just decides to walk away.

I'm going to go watch anime.

Which is usually a signal to me there’s probably a metaphor in here the agent smiths would rather keep under wraps. JK, but, yeah there’s some rushed aspects to it, covered the holes to mysteries by certain things like hacking, and mismanagement, and corruption, but there is a major esoteric undertone I guess others aren’t as adept at understanding or something - loved it. Bring on the hate 😂

Turns out it’s only because they’re all prisoners. Bummer.

I feel like they were just trying to give her a reason to have tension with Chase in the beginning in order to pitch everyone against Chase and make her the "martyr protagonist fighting against all odds." KC has an entire monologue with Hayden explaining why she doesn't want anyone to help her in which she talks in confusing circles and doesn't ever actually explain anything. She says she's always hated females like it's a natural urge for her-- but why? Doesn't it make more sense that as a victim of domestic abuse she would hate males? Instead she's portrayed as a hopeless romantic who flirts with lots of guys including the rapist and falls in love with a man from another state leading to her affair. I never really believed the whole hatred for females thing, but maybe it explains why she was so clingy with Moses near the end?

Acting....bad

storyline .......bad

Id rather rewatch the 100 or walking dead, or breaking bad than watch this

4.5/5⭐

Wow! Just finished my second watch through and I just have to post my appreciation for this show. I can't explain what a rollercoaster this series is, leading the viewer down a constantly intriguing plotline with well developed character arcs. If you are considering giving this a try, I highly recommend!

In this experiment I get they are all being tested to see how they behave. But what happens if someone is behaving well and they get killed...From what they say if you die in the simulation you die in real life, so essentially it's not just testing the inmates to see how they will behave, it's a survival game against potential killers and the wild life

I know I'm late here since it came out a while ago but I just watched it a few days ago and its bothering me how this got made with these errors. These aren't in any particular order and maybe I'm wrong and missed the answer on some of these. I doubt I will even remember them all to write here. I don't know, I just want to rant. This is probably not worth reading.

If Cooper killed Chase's mom and framed Chase for it why are they both in prison on death row? Did he frame her to be an accomplice or to have our right done it? Its played like to have outright committed the murder and her flashbacks show her doing it alone. So why is he in prison for murder? To get to this point they would have had to be found guilty of murder in court. So both of them were found guilty or murder by trail but for the same murder? Or did Cooper commit a seperate murder that lucky also put him on death row for plot convenience?

To that point if Chase didn't commit the murder where are her flashbacks coming from? Everyone gets flashbacks to the things they actually did to end up on death row, but she didn't do hers so where did she get the memories? Did the warden implant them in her in his "hacked code"? He thought she was guilty so he wouldn't know to make it up to make her think she's guilty. Unless all of them are implanted memories which is stupid since itd likely be easier to just let them get their real memories back. But its played as if they are real memories for everyone so we have no reason to assume that.

How does the warden (who seems to not know much about technology or care for it) make a code to hack the system? Does he hire it done? If so he leaves a lot of loose ends for a man good at getting away with cheating. Bonnie and Clyde were just presented as muscle so i don't think it was them who wrote any codes.

"If you die in the game you die for real!" Not only that they went with a literal meme as a rule for the simulation but they break the rule. Bonnie gets a spear through the head and just glitches out then is fine in real life. But the rule is explained as the shock of seeing yourself die kills you. So its not a function they can turn off for the people they send in to control the others. They'd also die in real life if they die in the simulation.

Why does the shell have "property of I-Land" on it other than to reveal that they weren't put there by accident? Or the "find your way back" sign. Why ever reveal that if you want to test their nature vs nuture? To test that you need to never reference back to their past and let them start 100% over using nothing but their natural instincts. Otherwise you've just ruined the entire point of the experiment. Which is also why I don't understand putting her back in after revealing everything to her and letting her remember it all. The test is ruined once they know its a test and start behaving unaturally because of it. Why ever pull her out in the first place? Other than to explain everything to the audience in the 3rd episode. These scientists don't stick to the rules of testing a hypothesis at all. Even without the evil warden, they interfere with the experiment enough to ruin it.

KC at one point shows her scar on her belly from her stabbing herself but Coopers face isn't scared like it is in real life.

When Chase is put back after episode 3 they say only 10 minutes has passed but for her she was gone for hours into the real world. But later with the gaurds watching the monitors it shows its real time on the island and real world.

Also the fact Brody tries to rape chase in the first episode is showing that his nature is bad not his nurture. So why leave him in there? He proven hes a bad person and not just from bad circumstances. Don't leave him for another person to kill then causing them to also be killed. Have a tree fall on him. He failed the test immediately. You are only risking the safety of others whom you claim to believe can be rehabilitated for no reason.

Was the if you kill you get killed a warden rule or island rule? Since Cooper is alive at the end after killing a guy I'm to assume a warden rule. Genuinely am asking here.

How did the warden end up in the simulation? It was made clear its only for death row inmates (because of the chances of being killed in it and dying in real life as a result) which he wouldn't be. He was only accused of attempted murder by putting the cannibal (cannibal was fucking awesome) on ii-land, not actual murder. Unless laws are very different in the future and they didn't bother explaining it you don't get the death penalty for attempted murder. Also they made it clear everyone there signed a waiver to go there. He obviously wouldn't have done that. He hates the entire program. Makes no sense other than a "feel good" ending.

I've clearly put more thought into this than its worth. I'm just ranting because making sense matters in tv and movies. Don't just make nonsense and call it good unless its a kids show. Otherwise its insulting to the viewer.

I've been binging - I don't hate the show but what's really pissing me off is how everyone just immediately hates her.

No one believes her about Brody and then when redhead McBitch face has her run in with him then everyone is like "oh are you okay" and then that pretty girl even kills him for K.C, allowing Chase to be blamed for it and happily participates in her lynching. She even continues to behave like Chase is crazy??

Also, why did they all seem to side with Brody?? Even Cooper.

Taylor pisses me off the most though - constantly gaslighting Chase. Like I obviously dig Chase - but still dis they have to be so freaking awful to her?

Why was she excluded from the beginning?

If the guards hadn’t interfered and the experiment had been run as planned who do you think would be rehabilitated

I think:

Rehabilitation:

Chase - she’s a non-criminal

Cooper - he seemed fair, level headed and non-violent. Plus, his crime was accidental.

Blair - From what we saw, her crimes were mercy killing rather than bloodlust. Also, could have let Donovan die quickly, which might have been a mercy-killing as they were stranded with no medicine. Perhaps because he hadn’t told her he wanted to die, she worked to save him.

Moses - He seemed like a team player and didn’t have a violent streak, just seemed to care about food. While he was a killer, it wasn’t intentional.

Mason - He committed, arguably, the most violent crime but also seemed to be the least violent person there. He was the most distressed when Chase was attacked and made drinking coconuts to avoid a fight. I think he would be the experiment’s success story on nature vs nurture.

Maybe:

Taylor - she was quite selfish and shallow, throwing away the book in the first episode and stealing the raft. I think she would look out for herself, while she wouldn’t intend to commit murder maybe she could find herself in a similar position to her crime on the i-land.

KC - her instinct was to pull a knife on chase in the first episode. However, she’s unlikely to be in a situation where she’s triggered to commit a similar crime.

Irredeemable:

Brody - he went back to his crimes almost instantly.

Donovan - showered signs of anti-social behaviour from the beginning and returned to his crimes.

Hayden - went back to her original crimes almost instantly.

To Shakespeare’s “The Tempest,” with several coming from the same few sentences. I recognized the references, but anyone else want to run with it?

“How many goodly creatures are there here! / How beauteous mankind is! O brave new world / That has such people in't!” (Miranda, 5.1.184-187)

“Our revels now are ended. These our actors, / As I foretold you, were all spirits and / Are melted into air, into thin air: / And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, / The cloud-capp'd towers, the gorgeous palaces, / The solemn temples, the great globe itself, / Ye all which it inherit, shall dissolve / And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, / Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff / As dreams are made on, and our little life / Is rounded with a sleep.” (Prospero, 4.1.146-163)

“But how is it/ That this lives in thy mind? What seest thou else / In the dark backward and abysm of time? / If thou rememberest aught ere thou camest here, / How thou camest here thou mayst.” (Prospero, 1.2.47-52)