In S1E4, adult jonas comes to jonas' room and writes something on the map of winden caves and we see young jonas sleeping. And in S3E7, we see the same scene, the young jonas in S1E4 is the adult one in S3E7 and what jonas writes is follow the signal.

But we see jonas sleeping, the times are different. It's 6.49 in S1E4 and 23.49 in S3E7. I think they have to be same because this scene happens again so why are the times different?

Hi everyone! I’m currently working on my master’s thesis and I’m exploring English dubbing - its quality, cultural impact, how it’s perceived by audiences. I’d love to hear your thoughts!

- What do you think of English dubbing in general? (e.g., films, TV shows, anime, etc.)

- Are there any specific examples (good or bad) that stand out to you?

- Have you watched "Dark" or " Money Heist " in English? Did you like it?

- Do you think it is useful to watch English dubbed movies to learn English (if you are not a native English speaker)?

Please also let me know where you're from. Your input would be invaluable to my research, and I’m truly grateful for any insights you can share. Feel free to be as detailed or brief as you’d like!

Thank you so much for helping out, and I’m looking forward to reading your opinions.

How did Noah reach 1921 from 2019 after adult Jonas closed the cave at the end of season 1? Noah didn't have the box time machine at that point. It was with Adam.

In s2, How did noah reach 1921 to kill adam after he goes to 2020 to meet Charlotte to tell her he is her father? He had given the box time machine to bartosz then and the cave was closed.

What was helge doing in the year 2019 in episode 1? He didn't have any reason to be there. Similarly he was later seen in 2019 by ulrich's mom in ep 7 of s1? There was no reason for him to be there.

The heavy showing of the trios and them established as "false" origin made me believe they'll play a crucial role in the ending or in explaining the things at last.

But by the end of the show, the makers dropped the ball so hard on them. They hardly had a 4-5 minutes of appearance in combined last 3 episodes and were renegated to mere chess pieces and background characters.

Huge disappointment !!!!!!!!!

Watched first episode, immediately re-watched. Watched second episode, re-watched, then re-re-watched the first. Watched the third. Re-watched, then re-re-watched S1E2, then re-re-re-watched E1. At this rate I’ll finish the series in 2029.

Before I watched this show I would spend hours on YouTube trying to figure out how there could be a beginning of anything.

I knew time was not linear but struggled to actually understand and grasp it, and that really nagged at me. After watching DARK I walked away with a deeper understanding of space and time and how they are connected.

It helped me to not only grasp what to me is a very complex topic, but to also accept the unknown. This show is not only a masterpiece, it also achieved exploring and explaining lifelong mysteries in a comprehensible way despite its insanely complicated plot.

”The distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."

1. The one Hannah killed by Adam with Silja was from which world? Egon or Ulrich?

And what happened to the other version? How things played with her? Who was the kid???

2. In the origin world, how tf did Claudia marry Bernd Doppler when in reality they had an age gap of Father daughter?

3. Who was the actual father of Regina in the two worlds?

Bonus question - What exactly happened with Woller's eye / hand?😂🥲

Hey everyone,

So, I watched Dark about 5 years ago, and I still get super excited whenever I think about it. The twists, the time travel, and the way everything was so intricately connected, it was mind-blowing. It really left an impact on me, and I’ve been craving something similar ever since.

I’m looking for more shows or movies that have that same suspenseful vibe. Think complex stories, time travel, mysteries, and those kinds of mind-bending twists. If you’ve watched anything that gave you that Dark feeling, please let me know! I’m all ears for your recommendations.

P.s:- I've already watched caddo lake, Mirage

Edit: Thank you all for the amazing suggestions! I’ve got plenty to explore now and can’t wait to watch them!.

Dark is a masterpiece and one of my favourite shows ever, i wish it got more hype around it, but there is one thing that I can't stand and really annoys me and is the absolute overuse of characters hyperventilating (especially when waking up), i don't understand why we can't go an episode without 4 or 5 people excessively hyperventilating in situations when it really wouldn't be that dramatic... (and they carried that over to 1899...)

is there anything that you dislike about the show?

I'm not sure if Adam already knows this or not. But wouldn't killing pregnant Martha only destroy the twisted family tree born out of time travel, and not the universes as everyone including him keeps saying? The survival of the split universes don't depend on the existence of the Unknown, they depend on the event in the origin world where Tannhaus activates his machine. It doesn't make sense for Adam to think he's destroying the worlds by killing pregnant Martha, right? Correct me if I'm wrong.

I finished the series a few days ago. The characters talk a lot about the "loops" in this show. There is a lot of talk over this being the final loop, or about how certain moments have happened an infinite number of times, etc.

I can't reconcile any of this, and I see there has been a lot of discussion in this sub so I will just add another one to the pile.

If I were an immortal observer of this universe that never traveled in time, it seems to me like I would only see every event we witnessed a single time. There are loops for the characters in the sense that many of them witness events multiple times. There are loops (bootstrap paradox) for many objects/concepts that have no observable origin, but the way I see it, if I was watching this universe from the beginning everything would just happen a single time.

Otherwise, when does it actually loop back to the beginning? Time never seems to reverse for the entire universe, only individual characters that are traveling. At the very end after Adam kills one version of Martha and if I was still that same observer watching this universe throughout time, time would have continued to flow linearly, wouldn't it? That is until everything is undone and ceases to exist all at once.

This is what makes the most sense to me, but it also seems to go against a lot of what the show/characters tell us. Curious to get the thoughts of others.

Its said both by older Bartosz and Adam himself that Adams disfigurement/burned body is the result of excessive time travelling.

Where/when exactly has he been travelling to? Is it ever explained? As far as I can tell he has just been at the Tannhaus factory for 20+ years. Did I miss something?

Why do lights flicker only at certain times? The cave was being used so many times but they only show it flickering when Jonas uses the cave or when chair is used in 1986. Am I missing something or is there some inconsistency with light flickering in winden?

Edit: for example it didn't flicker when Ulrich used caves or when aged helge used caves. Hell!! Middle aged helge used caves so many times but the lights didn't even flicker once.

Why does alt Martha look so much cuter and prettier than prime Martha ?

Like really why ?

Hey, I've just seen the ending of S3 and I started to wonder - how Claudia figured out that there was a third timeline and what exactly had happened to cause the mess she saw. I felt like it was vital to the plot, but the show didn't spend much time explaining that to us. It was strange for a series where so much attention was put into details. It definitely felt rushed. I wanted to create my own explamation how this universe works, since I believe that was the first thing Claudia had to discover. So let's begin.

1. Each timeline has basically a screenplay - major events that have to happen. Small things can vary. The universe ensures that the differences won't change the outcome though, that's why Jonas could not kill himself. It doesn't matter if he pulled the trigger or not, he would live either way. Since each cycle was allowed to be a little bit different, Claudia could gain more knowledge each time and pass all the information to her younger self. She was allowed to do this as long as no major changes were attempted. That's why she still did everything to perpetuate the cycle.

2. The universe wants to maintain its own existence. Timelines can't have any paradoxes and contradictions.

3. The basic, default state of the universe should be the least complicated timeline, with minimum number of time travels, causal loops and improbable coincidences. Hence, the best is the world without any time travel, with no interventions of the universe itself.

Now, knowing the rules, we can treat the whole plot as a riddle. The timeline in Dark is extremely complex, so a world without time travel couldn't exist. It somehow led to a paradox, but how? The only answer is - someone tried to breach the time itself. Making the timeline absurdly complicated (two intertwining timelines) was the universe's attempt to fix it, getting rid of the paradox. So there was one event which was prevented, the rest of those crazy events was planned around it to keep the timeline consistent. Also, the universe doesn't like to change to much, hence many things from the original timeline remained, like Tannhaus's book and possibly plans for time machines we saw in the series.

So what's the origin of the knot? The event which happens due to time shenanigans, but doesn't cause other important things to happen? The dangling end of the rope. Appearing unnecessary from Claudia's point of view. Bringing little Charlotte to Tannhaus! The body of his actual granddaughter was never found, and not long after the accident he is given a baby with the same name, for some reason the universe itself wanted him to raise "his granddaughter". It's strange! Charlotte had to be raised to fulfill her role, but everyone could do it, it did not have to be Tannhaus. He also was a super smart guy, the author of the book about time travel, which had to have to have originated from the original timeline. Connect it with the date of 21 June 1986, when the portal opened, which again, could have been a remnant of something that happened in the original timeline.

I'm about halfway through season 1 of this show and I keep being reminded of Dark. The story doesn't involve the complexity that Dark had, but character development is strong. It's been good to discover a new show that made me want to rewatch this show. Maybe I'm out to lunch on this take though.

I am in the middle of a rewatch, currently two more episodes to finale but have a few questions that I didn’t seem to be able to answer:

1. in S1 Noah was cleaning the floor of the bunker and then wrote two dates on the bunker wall. We saw that young Helge saw those dates on the wall before he was attacked by Ulrich so Noah definitely wrote them before 1953, but were we told which year Noah wrote the dates ?
2. When Agnes first met the Tiederman family, she said her grandma was from Winden and her grandma was gushing about the town. While both her grandmas (Regina and Hannah) are from Winden, Agnes was probably lying about the “gushing about Winden” part since she probably have never talked to either of them ? Or maybe there was a deleted scene where Agnes supposedly handed Claudia the news about her death, and maybe that was in the 80s and Agnes also met Hannah during that time ?
3. The more fleshed out time travelers in the show all have something deeply emotional to drive them to do what they do in order to untangle the mess, Jonas because of dead Martha , Alt-Martha because of dead family, Claudia because of dead daughter, Older Noah because of lost daughter. But what was driving Younger Noah ? He wouldn’t know his future daughter wouldn’t taken and hasn’t lost anyone other than his mom from child birth (which while tragic, cannot be blamed on time travel like the other deaths), so what’s driving him to the extreme of killing his own father?

Questions aside. Love love love the show. Every rewatch I found something new. This time I was paying attention to all the (lacking better words) “deja vu” moments , like old Egon asking young Jonas if he knows Satanist, Jonas laughed and said no VS young Egon asking Hannah if she knows the white devil, Hannah laughed and said no. Completely in awe of the geniuses that wrote the show.

I'm looking for someone who just started watching the show or have watched S1 since I've just finished S1 and I'm confused, got lots of questions and all that. So I want to discuss it with someone and make theories and all.

So is there anyone who just started watching it or just finished watching the first season?

In Season 3 episode 4 Angnes and Silija hug eachother. I just now understand why. They are mother and daughter. just how many things become clear from a rewatch. how many little details are there.

watching Dark right now and I wonder why Martha is an error in the matrix? I guess I didn't pay enough attention so l'm a bit lost right now

I'm talking about Michael's suicide.

"Noo dad don't kill yourself "

"Jonas what the fuck are you talking about"

*Claudia appears*

"You must kill yourself because these things need to happen blah blah blah.. Besides you already killed yourself so you have no choice anyway, okay thanks bye"

"Ok"

Hey all! So I’ve been rewatching for the 4th time recently and I noticed something that bothered me. It could never ruin the show for me but I thought I’d found a plot hole. Now I think I have an explanation, and I know others have asked about this before on here so I thought I’d provide my theory.

In season 3, we learn that Adam’s plan is to kill pregnant Martha and thus destroy the knot. He knows about Eva’s world, he knows about the family tree and he knows that a version of him goes to Eva’s world and conceives the origin with Martha.

But wait: he knows about there being another version of him who travels to Eva’s world? Then he knows about the Quantum Entanglement?

Well yes… kinda.

In 1888, Stranger Jonas meets Martha from Eva’s world, suspects she is sent by Adam, and learns from her about her world, the fact he isn’t born there, and the fact his younger self travels there. He believes she is wrong or lying because he of course never did this. Later he asks her why he doesn’t remember being in her world, and she replies that she doesn’t know.

In 1921, Adam meets his teenage self, and tells him he has a ‘counterpart’ who’s future he doesn’t know because he hasn’t seen it.

In 2053, Adam recruits pregnant Martha using Magnus and Franziska and sends her to rescue his younger self from the apocalypse, and send him to her world. He then sends her to meet his (less) younger self in 1888. Finally, he explains the origin to her and kills her.

So, Adam knows he has no natural born counterpart in Eva’s world. He knows it’s his younger self who travels there. However, he knows it wasn’t HIM because he can’t remember doing it. He knows he survived the apocalypse in his own basement; in sending Martha to save himself he knows there must be two versions of himself from this point onwards, and he knows this is all part of the loop because this is how the origin is created.

I hypothesise that Adam knows about quantum entanglement in theory, probably from Tannhaus’ book, so he understands that the loop always involves there being two versions of him, one who goes to Eva’s world and one who doesn’t. What he doesn’t realise is that Martha is also split by this event, hence she and the origin survive. He thinks the Martha he kills is the only Martha, the one that will become Eva.

Eva even says to her younger self, after explaining the quantum entanglement, ‘Adam has tried to sever this entanglement for the last 33 years’, and that he never will because he doesn’t understand how it’s all connected: he doesn’t know (until Claudia explains it to him) that the moment of the apocalypse is the source of the quantum entanglement, and that it can be used intentionally by someone to make a change, or overlapping reality, within the loop. He thinks it’s a naturally occurring part of the loop that only affects him, not a vital part of Eva’s plan that creates two Marthas so that one can live and continue the loop.

That’s why after Claudia tells him how Eva uses it he replies ‘one can, change things?’ He’s never understood it as an opportunity or a moment to be utilised, only as an independent scientific phenomenon. This I think explains why, in every loop, he still clings to his plan with the knowledge he has, yet is still surprised by Claudia’s revelation.

Of course, in all the other loops, he realises he failed and travels to Eva’s world and kills her as a final act of vengeance, probably realising his mistake. Thanks to Claudia, the version of events we see plays out rather differently.

Please let me know what you guys think!

I’m about two episodes in and I’m already annoyed by the overly generous use of the sinister music, does it get better/ less frequent?

I can’t seem to wrap my mind around Jonas and Martha seeing each other as kids. If this truly was the first time Claudia solved everything, i can’t really make sense of it and i’m looking for clarity.

Since Jonas and Martha saw each other in the doorway (when they were really young), I thought the really young versions of them would have vanished a couple of minutes after the tunnel (from their perspective) since a couple minutes after the tunnel (from teenage perspective) Jonas and Martha stop the deaths and therefore remove themselves from existence.

Does time not apply since this tunnel was essentially out of time and space? I’m just struggling with that because after the tunnel Jonas/Martha tell each other how they remember seeing each other as kids, which i assume means the tunnel had just happened in their perspective.

Four years after the show has ended, it still bothers me how they really didn't explain how Claudia knew about the origin world and how to destroy the knot, and how things are now different, shouldn't her knowing about the origin world and her telling Jonas/Adam about it should also be repeated and endless amount of times? What makes things different now?

I heard a theory once on YouTube that the characters in Adam and Eva's worlds don't really have free will, and all what happened is because of Tannhaus's time machine searching for a solution to untie the knot it created, and that when things finally started to happen differently (like we saw in season 3), is the machine finally finding a solution to the matrix it created. This is the only possible explanation I heard that I somewhat like, but it's still not very clear in the show, which kinda takes from the experience of watching season 3, it's like the show that always made you ask questions wants you now to just watch the show without asking too much about this specific detail, which the biggest question we had ever since the show started and to have it not explained is such a bummer.

Hi all, I'm a first time watcher and just finished season 1.

I have a few questions I wanted to ask just to be sure I didn't completely miss something in the 1st season. If the answer is "this will be addressed later on" that's totally fine. My goal is to just see if I completely missed something prior to going into S2. I'm asking here because I'm afraid of googling and being spoiled. I apologize in advance if any of these have obvious answers!

1. How did Mikkel/the dog (Gretchen) actually time travel? Did they go through the door? I guess it would slightly make sense for Mikkel to find the door and go through it, but it doesn't make sense that the dog would unless it was left open?

2. Along the same lines as above, the night Mikkel went missing, there were a bunch of flashing lights/noises coming out of the caves which caused them all to scatter. Did I miss the explanation for this?

3. At the end of S1, Helge seems to be transported from 1953->1986, but his age in 2019 means he must have eventually gone back to 1953 and grown up there, right? Did I also miss this explanation for him going back to 1953?

This is all I can think of right now. Thanks in advance!