Hi, I'm finishing the tv show and think about reading the books.

Is Naomi better in the books ? I really can't watch a second of her anymore on screen, it's a cringefest eveytime she speaks and whines all the time.

I don't think I need to tell you fine folk how amazing the series is. It's been years since I read LW -> NG, and now that I'm about to go into the finale, I find myself seriously considering going again from the top. What would u do if u were in my place, jump into LF or start all over again from LW ?

Had a long silent drive today that was definitely neither amiable or companionable. That got me curious; so which is your preferred silence?

Highway Star was cool. I would imagine more Fear Factory types on Pallas or Eros. Probably a lot of country ass dudes in the Belt so I could also see some Slayer or Pantera like bands in the Belt.

I really want it to be an easter egg secret binary message >!from the underground!<. If the black bars are for 0 and empty pages for 1 you get this pattern:

01110111 01110111 01110111 01110111 01110111 01110111 01110111 01110111 01110111 01110111 01110111 01110111 01110111 01110111 01110111 01110111 01110111 01110111 01110111 01110111 01110111 01111111 01110111 01110111 01110111 01110111 01110111 01111111 01110111 01110111 01111111 01110111 11110111 11110110

Which in ASCII spells out to:

wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww÷ö

However it's late and I might have made a few mistakes. (Yes I just flipped through all of the pages)

I haven't seen it on other books and it doesn't seem like an error in printing... but also in case it's a message I would assume the pattern of black bars might not be the only component of the message (maybe particular content on some of the pages or some other variation).

First of all, did anyone else notice the pattern on the last book in the series? You will see it if you look on the top of the book, it's visible on the top corner of the pages. Almost looks like a bar code.

Tinfoil time, peeps.

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I'm trying to enjoy it but why is there sound in space? It's just an obvious thing to get wrong and it pulls me out out of the story.

When the gate is created, we find out that Martians were trying to get back Roci (aka Tachi) as theirs from the crew. Holden and others were fighting for their rights in the court for their rights to own the ship.

Why wouldn't this be happening with Mormons and OPA? Especially since Fred and Anderson were trying to legitimate OPA as a nation? Wouldn't they be held liable for stealing Nauvoo especially unlike Roci which was given to Holden and team to escape, Fred stole it from the Mormons after using their money to build it. OPA call it theirs but it was built using Mormons' funds and they own the rights. Fred had no right to steal it and then claim salvage on what he stole.

Wouldn't Earth be supportive of Mormons in the case especially when it impacts OPA using Behemoth as their own base of operations inside the gate? We were told Mormons had lots of money. So it's not like they can't file the case.

What on earth happened with the last 3 books?

The pacing seemed to be all over the place and they were just.... Bad! By the middle of book 8 I had resolved to just drudging through and the overall ending was a lame duck.

Honestly it feels like the writers changed from the end of book six. Like they somehow made an intergalactic war with added dark gods boring.

As I said likely to be very unpopular.

‘The Expanse’ Creators to create ‘Captive’s War’ TV Series based off James S. A. Corey novel. This kind of stings a little, considering they didn't finish the Expanse story series in the TV show. I think its a symptom of the current steaming model of new series bringing in more revenue than continuing existing series.

Books 5-8 would cost a fortune to film though. I read books 5-8 after the tv series ended. If any series viewers here have not done that yet, I would very much recommend it. There is a time jump between books 4 and 5, that make 5 a great jumping on point for tv series viewers.

Television I've never witnessed before in my life. But my favorites would be :

SEASON 3 SPOILERS

EVERYTHING about the last 2 episodes, camina drummer absolutely rocking, miller was just crazy, oh the "chemistry" between Amos and the documentary makers and ofcourse lovely Anna - Her speeches would even make me a president.

I finally made the jump on the Roci XL... and 2 others: the Epstein Yacht and the Razorback

It looks like they have a pre-order available for the original, smaller Roci as well.

The Koto is also in stock.

And finally, they also have UN One.

As of 10:30am you can get 10% off using the code SAVE10

EDIT: I'd also like to hear from US buyers that have previously used Master Replicas what kind of customs fees I might be expecting?

(Just in case my excitement sounded a bit shill-ish, here's a SS of my receipt)

As a show only member. How different are the books?

Specifically I have the following questions (spoilers allowed)

1. is the story the same? Overall arch’s, are there storylines in the books not mentioned in the show?

2. I’ve heard some characters are combined. Will I get the same fulfillment from book characters.

3. Does the ending line up with the show?

4. is there any more planned writing that goes past the show timeline?

It really seems like Earth could've solved so many issues by employing people to build massive space habitats, especially since the show claims 18 billion people are unemployed.

While I personally found her interpersonal drama a little boring in the later seasons, Cara Gee’s Drummer is my one of my favorites. I feel like she’s such a great amalgamation of Pa, Bull and maybe one other I can’t fully remember now.

Having rewatched the entire show as to prepare for the 3 last mainline books of the series I've accumulated a couple of questions about Holden's vision in episode 10. As I am right now I'm in chapter 17 of TW, if any of the questions below are answered in that book or LF please don't spoil them just let me know that they are explained later on. Any book spoilers from book 1-6 are welcome

During Holden's vision in we see the genocide of the ring builders. Many of the gates are shown to just disappear (some just go "blank" which I will interpret as the gate from the other side going off-line, again if I've misunderstood this let me know). Is this the stations security system kicking in and trying to contain the threat or is it the unknown aggressors firing bullets all over the place and shutting down the wormholes? Also the much bigger question I'm going to ask is how does the destruction of entire stars and their subsequent planets benefit in the "containment" of the entities. To my understanding the ring builders have pretty much uploaded their conciousness into protomolecule based computers and assimilated into their hivemind so for the entities to be shooting protomolecule killing bullets makes sense but the whole "burning solar systems" thing doesn't make sense to me

Other mentions: The big blue "star" is (to my guess) some sort of dyson sphere to collect energy The little bird in the very start of the vision to my knowledge has to do with Julie's ascendancy to the hivemind or sth idk please explain

Again if any of the questions I've mentioned above are answered in the last 2 books just let me know that they are explained later on. If they are explained on any of the previous 7 and I've somehow missed the explenations a small revision would be nice, thank you

For a sci-fi show that's praised for a "realistic" depiction of gravity and acceleration it sure gets it awfully wrong almost all of the time. Like artificial gravity indoors never matching the ship maneuvers shown in exterior shots, two vessels accelerating at the same rate having completely different artificial gravity inside, overexaggerated cgi display of coriolis force or microgravity in one or two shots while completely ignoring them in every other scene and so on. I understand that a realistic display was not within the budget, but in such a case I really prefer to have it explained away by some magical artificial-gravity tech that's not further explained instead of trying to do it realistically but completely failing at it.

In the Mars Introductory scene in season 4, when bobbie is on the subway car arriving at Innis Shallows, the announcement voice repeats the arrival message in a non-english language, is this Belter creole? or is it Hindi spoken in the futuristic Australian/English/American soft artificial accent that is familiar to us in many scifi's including this one. The phonetics are "um te karting Innis Shallows done, we are karting turming"

I know there is some belter diaspora on mars, it's mentioned and in season 1 we see a career center on Ceres with "GOOD JOBS ON MARS. MARINER VALLEY TERRAFORMING PROJECT" written on it.

Trying to find something to do while recovering from Covid, I finally opened the HD (1080p) Blu-ray box set my kids gave me last Christmas. Initially I was just going to check out the picture quality and any bonus features, because I had plenty of other content on streaming services I'd been saving. Gosh darn it if this show didn't suck me back in, for the fourth time. It really feels like a compulsion. At least I'm limiting myself to one disc a day (there's multiple discs in each season box).

The picture quality looks pretty nice on my lower-end UHD projector, especially more contrast in space scenes compared to streaming especially from Syfy. FWIW, I'm using a PS5 to play the discs, which is upscaling them to 2160p. Also, one of the few benefits of getting old is forgetting a lot of details over the past couple of years and enjoying them again.

I assume I'm not the only one to feel compelled to watch the series again and again.

I waited 3 whole books for Filip and Naomi to be reunited. And I just read the synopsis for Sins of Our Fathers and he's trapped in another system. So what was the point of him still being alive? I feel like they let Chekhov's gun rust on the shelf. I kept waiting for him to save the day when they least expected it. I was so sure that he would have joined the underground, and eventually he would have seen Naomi again. Even until the last moment, I thought the epilogue would end with Naomi getting a message from her son. This was literally the only thing I wanted to happen in this book and I just feel so let down.

Overall the ending just bothers me and I can't quite figure out why, besides this one specific thing. I think I might just pretend like the last 3 books don't exist. I will probably still read the novellas, I haven't read any of them yet. But maybe that will give me some closure at least.

Not sure if title is the correct way to ask.

So what im looking for specifically is any scifi series that includes a tech jump. Similar to how protomolecule got integrated into various technologies and jumped the tech level. Or like stargate with the gradual increase in tech sophistication with alien tech.

Any medium is fine, books games shows.

I’m reading Calibans war and I’m only one chapter 5. I’m not liking Avasarala. She’s kind of winding me up her character and how full of herself she comes across as.

I know that this is a real issue that will need to be addressed as we start landing on the Moon and Mars, but I’m curious as to whether they have ever addressed how they measure time across the Sol system? Was this ever addressed in the books. I know that one of the interesting aspects of the show is that you really do not have a good sense of how much time has passed between the Canterbury incident and the end of the Free Navy conflict. I’ve always assumed that that is one reason why no specific date is given.

No actual spoilers except the name of a specific cargo ship and the size of the hold - nevertheless, this info comes from Book 9 so I've hidden it.

!In Leviathan Falls, there's a ship - The Forgiven - that's described as being a former colony ship with a cargo hold of "almost two billion square meters".!<

Let's set aside the fact that this is listed in SQUARE meters instead of CUBIC - which would make more sense for a ship's hold. I don't understand how that works, so I guess that's question one but not my main question.

That's, uh... 772 square MILES.

That's roughly 27 miles per side. If we assume a typo and it was cubic meters, then that's still 9 miles on three sides.

How the fuck do you build a ship that large? Even the Behemoth was only a mile long, right? We're talking NINE TIMES AS LONG.

!Is this remotely within the realm of possibility? Mind you, this was a ship built at Pallas/Tycho, so before the advent of protomolecule ships. !<

Hello ! I'm currently reading the books and I just finished chapter 20 of TW. Can someone help me understand where is the Falcon and where is Medina ? (No spoilers for anything after chapter 20 please)

From what I understand, before the star collapsed, the Falcon was waiting inside the Teccoma system, near the gate, to get through ? But the star collapsed and I don't understand where the ship is now. Did they get through the gate inside the slow zone ? Did they stay in the Teccoma system but avoided the gamma rays somehow ? Did they get through Teccoma's gate and then another one after to get out of the slow zone ?

I'm listening to the audiobook and it's a bit hard to understand where everyone is... Thanks for the help !

What was Naomi doing and why did it work? I just can’t grasp it. Just finished the series and don’t even remember it well enough.

Found this article on another sub and thought I’d share it here.

https://www.jhuapl.edu/news/news-releases/241126-shapeshifting-antenna

Nemesis Games Discussion:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheExpanse/comments/1gqpm1z/finished_book_5_nemesis_games/

Season 6 wasn’t my least favorite but being one of the shortest seasons I definitely wanted a little more coming out of it so I’m definitely happy that the book had a little more breathing room (Especially with 17 different POV’s not including prologue/epilogue)

1. Holden

Holden character progression while slower than the show finally reached its peak and it’s so good! His conversations with Fred will be sorely missed. (side note while writing this Fred Johnsons actor showed up in the show I was watching lol the odds are crazy) Holden reuniting with his family made me tear up a bit even with his slightly racist dad making it awkward. Which led to the most James Holden thing ever, making those videos of regular belters on ceres. I loved his reaction to Chrisjen trying to throw him under the bus with the Transport Union.

2. Michio

Speaking of the Transport Union (or it’s current president)

The bombshell that Michio and Sam were a thing back in Abaddon’s Gate was crazy! It’s also (including the show) my only experience with a polygamous relationship, so I don’t really know how to approach it. But I was surprised the killed off two of her spouses off chapter too. The message of support from Chrisjen was really nice as well. Can’t believe it took her this long to realize that her problem with fallowing bad leaders was that she needed to be the leader.

3. Filip

I don’t know if he ever comes back but I really hope so. Every time he started to notice the cracks in Marco’s plans and even called him out I got so proud of him! That final chapter where Marco is saying “we’ll be remembered forever” over killing the Roci and Filip just stops throws his gun and terminal away was the cherry on Top!

4. Dawes

Anderson Dawes being named after Anderson station is almost as crazy as him working with The Butcher Of Anderson Station. I felt so bad for him when Marco said to strip Ceres. So when Jim walked into the OPA and didn’t recognize someone I just knew it had to be him. Given enough time Marco would’ve lost everyone, to bad he got eaten lol. It was also interesting watching him go around and convince his fellow OPA leaders to hear Holden out.

5. Naomi

Naomi’s character development from the last book was so great and I feel twice as invested in her and Jim’s relationship. Also bringing back the phrase “Once is never twice is always” to describe failure to save Filip was rough. I really hope she finds out he left eventually

6. Rocinante Crew

Clarissa’s action packed chapter was great but I really liked hearing what she was like from everyone else, like when she got really happy to hear she was staying on the crew from Jim’s answer to what they’d be doing with the transport union from Naomi’s POV

Amos being Amos what else could you ask for

Alex having a fling was interesting

Bobbie as usual has some of the best written action sequences in the whole series The assault on the ring station was awesome! Really glad that even Holden agrees just she has a spot among them

7. Medina

The crew of Salis, Jakulski, Vandercaust and Roberts unfortunately didn’t add as much as I hoped like exposition the the Laconian Rail Guns and how the free navy took insubordination. But the peak at Laconia with their first ship from their very own shipyard which is crazy efficient and the Reaction of Medina to the the distraction by the Roci was really enjoyable

8. Prax

Still the best parent is the series! And I’m so happy he found a spouse that probably won’t call him PDiddy for money lol. So funny how he admitted to sending the plant info to help earth and the Free Navy goons just didn’t get it lol

9. Marco

Just the worst leader ever Bro gets a 30 minutes message about “we need to build our infrastructure yesterday if we want to survive without earth” and he just goes “It’s all part of the plan” STFU!!!!! Dude only wanted to go to Tycho because as soon as a real belter shows up they’d throw Holden out an airlock… Like What!?

Delusional AF

10. Chrisjen

Literally the definitional opposite of Marco. The mouth of a sailor is stronger than ever!

“Your an Asshole and nobody loves you”

“If the free navy wanted to meet justice faster they shouldn’t leveled so many courthouses”

“Holden can’t find his cock with his own two hands so he needs someone to point it out for him”

Nobody makes me laugh as much as her

11. closing thoughts

Overall this is easily one of finest books of the series and I can’t wait to listen to the other three

The prologue and epilogue with Anna and Her wife were a great way to show how much better things are looking with the Free Navy out of the picture

I just realized I didn’t mention that FRED DIES??? All I knew is that he didn’t die in Nemesis Games, definitely wasn’t expecting his death when it happened.

Anyways I’ve already listened the the prologue of Persepolis Rising and it’s insane So I’m gonna get back into it See you Inyalowda’s when I finish it Yam Seng! 🥃