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After all, you killed it ethically in self-defense. So it is therefore ethical meat and you ought to eat it and not waste it. because otherwise you have to kill plants that want to live so it's better to eat the already ethically dead mountain lion.

I’m thinking of animals like jellyfish, which lack a brain and don’t experience pain. And if not, why? How is it different from eating say, bread made with yeast (a living organism that lacks intelligence as well)?

EDIT: Again, great job downvoting an honest question.

Hypothetically, if a species were to become invasive and it was appetizing to eat, would it be okay to eat it in your opinion?

Since invasive species need to be culled to protect the natural environment they infect, would they be an exception to the usual rule?

Also, what about culling for overpopulation? I’ve heard of instances where herds of animals like deer needed to be thinned out or else they’d deplete their food supply and then starve. Would eating those animals be considered okay?

EDIT: Great job downvoting a genuine question guys. Lol

lets say that such a cow exists and it really really wants to be eaten. in that scenario, eating it would actually be a good thing and therefore it would be more ethical than eating plants which most likely dont want to be eaten?

As a person who has tried many different diets, I’ve only felt amazing when on a mainly carnivore diet. Im allergic to many fruits and veggies. I also cannot have gluten, so my diet is quit restricting. But for some reason I can have meat and animal products just fine. For me, a vegan diet isn’t sustainable.

Do vegans understand that not everyone can be vegan due to genetics?

Non-vegan here but have been recently interested in learning more about the philosophy and ethics behind it.

It seems a lot of vegans are okay with pet ownership, in which case, how do you feel about euthanasia of a pet who has significant quality of life/pain issues? If the killing of an animal is an absolute moral wrong, is it in the vegan philosophy to let all animals die naturally, even when euthanasia could put a stop to their pain?

Also, what about animals that are a threat to humans/other animals? I’m thinking about dog attacks in particular. If a dog has a long aggression history and has contributed to a human, or other animal, fatality, what do you believe should be done with them? If I understand the concept correctly, wouldn’t putting them down be “speciest”, since your valuing the life of the person/animal they hurt over the dogs life? And if you propose to keep them alive, but contain them, wouldn’t that be similar to imprisoning farm animals?

If in a far future humanity becomes a spacefaring state (lets suposse that at that time veganism is the law among all humanity) and makes kinda peaceful contact with an inteligent species that is carnivore and haves a great carnist industry:

-Case #1. they only can eat meat, so they're not carnist by choice. Theyre open to dialogue an alternative solutions.

-Case #2. They're carnist by choice because they're a warrior nihilistic culture where the act of hunting and killing are important rituals. Plus, they're ruled by a ruthless traditionalist millitaristic state that is open to have diplomacy with the galactic human state but wont tolerate us to interfere in their way of life.

¿What should humanity do?, ¿How would be diplomacy with that civilization?

Hey everyone,
Just sharing a personal story/rant here. So, two weeks ago, I decided to go Vegan . As a working woman with limited time and not particularly fond of cooking, I’m finding it difficult to figuring out what to cook every day and where to find 'reliable' vegan food products online without spending hours researching. 🤔.
If anyone has any resources, tips, or personal experiences to share that could help navigate this situation, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks a bunch in advance 🙏.

Is a low fibre vegan diet possible without resorting to obscure ingredients that you wouldn't usually find in a USA grocery store?

Hi! My wife and me turned to vegan recently and are still figuring stuff out. We have a child of almost 3 years. We did not change his diet so far and would like to find resources on if and how plant based diets are healthy for small children. Can someone recommend thrustworthy resources on A safety of plant based diet for children and B practical advice? (I am quite sure plant based diet for children is possible and safe if done correctly but we want to be sure about what we do)

I know this is probably a question every vegan person has their own answers for but where do you personally decide that something is “conscience” enough to be consumed? Is it just sort of vibe based? or just taxonomical animals vs plants? Or something else entirely? The reason I ask is because Ive been reading up on plant conscientiousness and while of course I understand the need for people to eat food but at the same time just because it doesn’t resemble human ways of intelligence I think it’s kinda weird to say animals in general are less deserving of being eaten than any other form of life is. (Again a good faith question that I just want to hear people’s ideas on)

Hi everyone,I am the co-founder of Ganddee, a sustainable lifestyle app. Think of it as the Google Maps for sustainable places. While other platforms promote new green products, we believe that sustainable consumption should also include vegan shops, second-hand shops, charity shops, rental places, etc., in addition to sustainable new products. We feature around 2,000 physical stores and hundreds of online businesses in UK, some offering special discounts. We have a special discount from vegan stores like MuLondon, Wild Cosmetics and many more.
I would love to receive feedback on the app and would be grateful if you could suggest any vegan stores online/physical in the UK. We have been relying on our community to suggest new places and inspire each other. All the suggestions can be done through app.
If you are a owner of a vegan store, I would love to connect and explore how I can help you reach a wider audience.
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I've been looking for ways to use money to directly reduce the number of farmed animals more than individually abstaining from eating them.

Groups like Animal Charity Evaluators only recommend charities that do indirect help like advocacy, outreach, and research. Or they recommend charities that support cage-free farming (which is worse for chickens*).

Are there any groups that do something directly for farmed animals like pay people to eat fewer animals or pay salespeople to convince individuals to become vegan or something else?

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*The chickens start pecking each other and get other health hazards.

I’ve been vegan for 12 years, recently diagnosed with ulcerative colitis after a year with crazy changes in my bowel movements..

I noticed a lot of what I loved eating (rice beans potatoes and oats) was causing me incredibly bloating and inconsistencies in my bowel movements.

After some research it seems that a plant based diet may exacerbate IBD symptoms and I’m just mind blown. Here I thought all this fiber was good for me

Any vegans here with UC or IBD and have any tips?

I’ve really had to start restricting my diet and I feel like I’m running out of ideas. With everything I’m learning, I’ve started considering it’s time to make some changes and have considered switching to some sort of mostly plant based pescatarian diet im just worried introducing any sort of meat would only burden my digestive system because I haven’t had any meat in years.

Cashews for example. The ingredients are CASHEWS, EXPELLER PRESSED CANOLA OIL, SEA SALT. What gives? Does Whole Foods know something I don't know that makes these cashews not vegan?

I'm so serious, im not trying to troll. just truly interested. if you are a vegan for ethical reasons, and a woman willing produces milk to be consumed. Would you consume breast milk?

When we look at all fruits and vegetables, none of them contain any cholesterol.

There are a lot of arguments that prove why eating animal products is unhealthy. One of them is that eating the cholesterol contained in them is bad.

However, breastmilk contains a significant amount of cholesterol. If cholesterol was so bad to consume, wouldn't it cause all kinds of problems to newborns, yet it seems that it doesn't? Is it a different kind of cholesterol?

Granted that babies don't have the same diets or needs as adults, but I struggle to believe that something can go from being a poison to adults that we should never eat to suddenly good for babies.

What am I missing, what's going on?

Been finding it hard to cook healthy meals recently. I've been eating mostly junk food. Lots of sugar, bread, and sweets. I don't need to eat meat. Some ideas I have

• Green/Red/Yellow Thai curry
• Nopal burrito
• Grilled mushrooms
• Chile relleno with vegan cheese
• Curry rice
• Black bean burger
• Tofu Pad Thai

What are some of your favorites?

I'll preface this by stating I've always been under the impression that veganism is a set of dietary rules (which I now know is myopic and inaccurate), but is unqualified sentience the benchmark for valuing a life? If the whole world suddenly became vegan, would people owe a duty of care to former livestock animals or would they have no obligations to those animals under vegan ethics, allowing them to cull or abandon those animals? I'm curious because I don't know how to justify keeping livestock alive once they lose economic value. Is there an ethical justification I can use?

I recently happened to stumble upon some arguments for veganism made by the atheist Youtuber Alex O'Connor. After watching a few interviews he has done and finding many of the arguments for veganism to be quite compelling, I decided to read Ed Winters' book This Is Vegan Propaganda. I found it to be a fascinating book, and felt myself getting pulled more and more towards veganism as I read it. It really felt like it was reprogramming my brain as I read it, and I already feel like I can't look at animal products quite the same way anymore.

However, while I feel like I'm standing right on the edge, there are some things that I am unsure about that prevent me from taking the leap.

One is that I'm not sure that an individual boycott is actually an effective way to reduce animal suffering. I feel like the money I spend on animal products is a rounding error, and won't actually reduce the amount of animal suffering in the world one iota. It seems like it might be a shame to deprive myself of life experiences around food that negatively impact my own subjective experience and don't have a positive impact that counteracts it. To some degree, this is a less significant problem, because there are good reasons to be vegan even if it doesn't reduce suffering. In addition, I find that I am less and less inclined to want to eat meat as I learn more about the impacts of animal farming on the world, even if abstaining from it doesn't lessen that.

The real that I struggle with is the overall ethical question. To me, the biggest ethical concern about veganism is one that I actually don't see many vegans talking about, including Ed Winters. It seems like people take it as a given that eliminating the farming of animals lessens animal suffering, and is therefore a morally good thing to do. I think it's more complicated than that, though. I certainly agree that there is a huge amount of suffering as a result of factory farming, and we should strive to reduce unnecessary suffering. However, I also think it's important to carefully consider the fact that eliminating the consumption of animals means that those animals would never experience life in the first place.

I often see statements made by vegans like "It's wrong to kill animals for food, because they have a preference to live". And this is true. But if we didn't kill them for food, they wouldn't live at all. The only chance they have to experience existence at all is because they were born to be killed for food. How can we be sure that we have the right to make the decision for them that it's better that they were never born, so that they wouldn't be killed prematurely to become someone's meal?

Now, I am sure most people would simply respond that the existence of animals in a factory farm is hardly an existence worth having, due to the horrible conditions involved, but I don't think that's something that can be asserted without serious consideration. Is it really the case that non-existence is more ethical than one filled with suffering?

If that's the case, we should apply that same thinking to other areas. Animals suffer in the wild. Most of their lives are filled with fear of being eaten by predators. They waste away from disease and starvation, or become crippled due to injury with no hope of healing and having to endure chronic pain (which in turn makes them more likely to be eaten). Surely this existence is also quite horrible. If we can decide that farmed animals shouldn't exist because of the poor conditions they would live in, shouldn't we have a moral obligation to eliminate all life that would be predominantly filled with suffering? What is the distinction here?

I would really appreciate hearing your thoughts, as this is really the last thing that is giving me pause from becoming a vegan. If you know of any good videos or essays on the topic, I would be interested in reading them. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Hello lovely people, I hope this is the right place to post (I will delete if not).

I am looking for a vegan alternative to Chinese sausage (lap xuong) used in sticky rice. In the sticky rice, it’s chopped into small pieces and pan fried.

I found a recipe replacing it with mushrooms and a seasoning blend. I believe the author also suggested replacing it with vegan hot dogs or vegan ham in place of mushrooms. I’m not a fan of the light life ones (they are the most common in stores near me).

My plan is to use the seasoning blend in the linked recipe but replace the mushrooms with a premade vegan sausage, but the sausages I can find are usually Italian sausage style or breakfast sausage style, which isn’t really what I’m looking for. It’s more like a sweet salami sort of sausage.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

I'm in a pickle. 🥒

I'm going on a camping trip with an Omni friend's family. They are planning on doing a dinner rotation. Friends parents are cooking for everyone on the first night, friend and his girlfriend are cooking for everyone night two, and I am cooking for everyone on night three. Night four is fend-for-yourself.

I've been to this family's house for dinner a handful of times and am usually pretty well taken care of. They think veganism is silly but nonetheless always provide me with a decent meal, usually something completely different to what everyone else is eating meaning they've really made an effort to accommodate me.

I am a terrible cook at the best of times, let alone while camping on a beach.

Restrictions:

• I don't have a fridge in my 4x4, and will be relying on an ice-filled yeti cooler/Esky which also has to carry my beers. This pretty much rules out tofu (which is usually the base of all my meals) or anything else which may go bad in those conditions.

• I will be cooking on a twin-burner gas stove.

• Campfires are banned since some idiots burnt down half the island we're camping on

• I am not a good cook by any measure and it is routinely the hardest part of my day.

• I will be cooking for a total of 6 people, 5 of which are usually meat eaters

I was originally planning on eating like shit and living off of 2-minute noodles, cous-cous instant meals and Vegemite sandwiches so this has really thrown a stressful spanner in the works.

Please help 😂😂😂

I put the flair, no downvoting me today, it makes me feels sad...

Anyways, I would think it's not...you are helping in generating profits for a company that will use those profits for animal products. But...if you're incredibly poor and need the money and have limited job opportunities: I think it's fine. Because if dying on the streets is not 'practical' for you, then get that bag.

Of course, what else would this apply too? For example: groceries stores or shopping centers. Technically you could apply the same logic to some degree...as, you are aiding in profits that will go directly to animal farming in some likely way.

Was vegan for 5+ years. Went back to eating animal products a couple of months ago.

I hate eating animal products and want to go back to being vegan, but I'm afraid of developing nutritional deficiencies. When I was vegan, I didn't eat a well-planned diet. The last two or three years I just ate bananas, orange juice, mock meat, bread, and pasta. Sometimes I would have other foods, but overall, my diet mainly consisted of what I listed above. I don't know how to cook beans/lentils, and even if I did, I don't know if I would get tired of eating them everyday.

There's so many doctors who promote a plant based diet and say you can get everything you need, but upon further examination I don't know how true that is because there are a lot of doctors who are against veganism and say we need to eat animal products. Also, the sheer amount of exvegans scares me because if they couldn't make veganism work for them, what makes you think it will work for you?

I've always had anxiety, but this year in particular, my anxiety has gotten so bad it's debilitating. I need help badly. I don't know what to do. My heart wants veganism but I have so much doubt.

I was reading this book (CyberStorm by Matthew Mather) where a bunch of people get trapped in new york during a big snowstorm that takes out electricity, roads, and communications. In the book, some vegan side characters drink donated human blood to survive while still staying vegan. I was curious if this would actually be "technically vegan" or not. (also, i'm not vegan, but i am genuinely curious and not trying to troll)

What is the vegan opinion on eating wild caught invasive species? Many invasive species like lionfish, nutria, wild hogs, or bullfrogs do an incredible amount of damage to the environment and will kill native species. In many states you're supposed to kill them upon sight, and if they are going to be killed anyways, what is your opinion on eating them?

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Also for personal context, my mom is vegetarian and I try to avoid meat when I can and have stomach issues so I end up eating a lot of vegan food anyways.

I’ve been vegan for 5 years and today I was ordering in a cafe. There was one vegan option on the menu (falafel salad) but also a sandwich which contained all the stuff that the salad had just without the falafel. The sandwich was listed as containing dairy and eggs, which I assumed was due to the type of bread used (in Ireland so most places serve soda bread which is made using buttermilk) and maybe some mayo on the slaw.

I asked the server if they could make it with different bread and/or omit the things in the sandwich which contained the dairy and eggs (the sandwich was cheaper than the salad and also I love bread. Didn’t seem like a big thing because the sandwich and salad descriptions listed pretty much the exact same components). He said the only other bread they had would be sourdough, to which I queried what that would contain that wasn’t vegan. He replied ‘yeast’. And then went onto say how it is a living organism. I didn’t know what to say so I just had the salad. I’m not disputing the fact that yeast is a living organism, but I am interested to know how many vegans avoid it or have concerns that yeast suffers when we cook it and eat it/ during the process by which it is produced?

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What do people think about genetic breeding? I.e. how they're trying to wipe out both pugs and the big dogs with the big dog ban?

I'm (flexitarian) personally against cause I think those dogs can still have good lives and disabled people/dogs exist and it feels very eugenics,, but I know people who are fully vegan who are pro, so I'm a little confused?

Humans have bred sheep to be dependent on us shearing them, professional shearers rarely nick them with the shavers they use and it’s never any worse than a light scrape while shaving. I think an important ethical question is in your vegan opinion should we let them die out or act as their guardians and continue using their wool so they don’t all die. I am partial to wool as well bc it doesn’t harm the animal when it’s harvested, it lacks microplastics like synthetics have and it stays warm when it’s a bit at unlike cotton and it also has a lower environmental impact bc it’s practically impossible to factory farm wool.

Slight edit: I feel like this may read a little bit critical of veganism. That’s not the energy I’m trying to bring here, I am genuinely curious what ppl think about sheep and wool as a thing ppl do in the world

Update: thank yall for all the input, I feel like I learned a lot about your beliefs. I have lots of new things to think about.