Before I go into this… I’m not a female… I’m a male so I don’t know how well I’ll be accurate… but I need to vent cuz I’m pissed off… I’m more or less going into the problems I have with males… and what they be doing now… my own fkin gender… we ain’t fucking women… what do THEY have with trying to control WOMEN’S bodies… how dare WE be responsible for women dying cuz of abortion restrictions…. How dare WE even think of controlling women’s bodies… and worst of all how dare WE even think of giving women the death penalty for abortion… (I’m referring to pro life males when I said WE.. don’t worry I’m not referring to yall who read this) I’m disappointed in my own fucking gender… how is this possible…

I’m wondering what are the best arguments for being pro choice. I’ve heard some good arguments from people who are pro life but I want to hear a little more from people who are pro choice, I’m curious .

also i am pro choice,just want to hear other arguments

So what I rarely see discussed in abortion debates is ability to make an informed choice. I firmly believe that forced pregnancy and forced abortion are on the same level of evil and are forms of reproductive torture. So person must be provided truthful and medically correct data on both options without being pressured into each. Example being a teenage girl getting pregnant and strongly not wanting an abortion but her parents pushing for it because "she's not ready" or the exact opposite scenario where she wants an abortion but they push for motherhood and avoid telling her about the risks involved.

But I struggle with an idea of someone unable to really comprehend what's happening getting pregnant. For example a profoundly intellectually disabled or someone in coma whose body is capable of handling pregnancy and birth. So obviously these people shouldn't have been violated in the first place and the rapists should be punished. But in dealing with pregnancy there's literally no good, obvious option.

If you can't know what someone thinks and feels because they can't communicate about it then both abortion and pregnancy are forced on them. Someone who can't consent to pregnancy is also unable to consent to an abortion. If they aren't aware what's going on then it is cruel for someone else to trick the vulnerable person into a decision they would consider wrong if understood.

Or for a sad example a child who doesn't realize how severe are risks of pregnancy in early puberty or even before it. Forcing a little girl to go through pain of childbearing is monstrous. But so is leaving her completely oblivious to what's happening to her own body or lying about something that can have a serious impact on her future in order to make a less dangerous and life-changing choice for her. Or forcing her to have an abortion because her parents think this is better for her. And there's no way to make sure she can make a decision based on unbiased data too since she's not even mature enough to make most basic decisions regarding her life. Basically no good option avialable.

How do you personally think these cases should be handled? Are there any existing medical protocols regarding this? How do you feel about the idea that someone who isn't able to consent to pregnancy is also unable to consent to an abortion?

A lot of pro lifers say that we’re selfish or irresponsible if we get pregnant then have an abortion. But you know what’s selfish? Bringing a child in this world if you’re not financially and emotionally ready. Even if someone says they’re ready to have a kid, but aren’t financially stable, doesn’t mean they’re really ready for that big responsibility. But it’s the pregnant person’s choice if they want to continue the pregnancy and raise it or put it up for adoption, or have an abortion.

If they say “there’s always adoption”

Yes. Yes there is. But there’s also millions of children that don’t have homes and need to be adopted. I have an almost 20 year old sister that’s been adopted her whole life. I’m not sure if she knows about it though. Lol I still remember when she was just a baby. But her foster mom literally told me the last time I visited them in 2019 that I shouldn’t contact my own sister on any social media.

But I also have a youngest (half) sister that was adopted by her grandma because my mom wasn’t ready to have another child (only me and my brother was planned, I have 4 siblings). So she got her tubes cut, tied and burned after having her last kid. So yeah, there’s always adoption, and I don’t have a problem with adoption, but what if there’s a chance that you won’t be able to see your kid again? There’s lots of reasons why I don’t want kids of my own, but that’s kinda one of the reasons why I don’t want kids of my own.

thank you in advance

She will be taking the abortion pill. I just want to make sure I do everything I can for her. Please share your suggestions if you have any. ❤️

Is anybody on here seeing everything that has happened since Roe V Wade was repealed absolutely petrified over what is going to happen in the UK? I hate it. We can’t get complacent.

So much of anti-abortion rhetoric is really just entitlement to women's bodies. It's this belief that anybody else is entitled to a woman's body before she is. Husbands are entitled to sex from their wives. Fetuses are entitled to resources from their mother's body. It's the idea that women are never allowed to be selfish or do anything in their own interest before everyone else is happy, and I've been seeing it more and more. People saying that women (or mothers, because women are mothers before they are anything else, especially human beings, yikes) owe shelter and food to their kids and that pregnancy is just sheltering and feeding your kid. People saying that men should have a say in abortion because it's their baby too. People saying that you should never have sex ever unless you're ok with being pregnant, but also if you refuse to have sex with your boyfriend or husband you're abusive.

Women don't own their bodies when they have a partner, and they don't own their bodies when they have kids. If you exercised your bodily autonomy to have sex, you lose all of it afterward because you unintentionally conceived. Your child owns your body more than you do. Fetuses are entitled to mooching and receiving resources and shelter straight from women's bodies no matter the damage it will cause to the woman or girl, whether that be physically, mentally or socio-economically. But it's all good, because you did this to yourself, right? Nobody wants to include male responsibility in unwanted pregnancies, but they do want to whinge about how men should get to force whoever they knocked up to risk literally everything for a baby he wants you to have. By virtue of having had an orgasm.

People will scream that the baby's body is not your body, that you have no right to remove it, while happily skimming over the fact that the baby needs resources directly from your body to survive, that it's presence alters your body and mind and can irreparably damage you or kill you. I need to feel bad for every man who lost his baby because it was aborted, men who probably couldn't be bothered to change a single diaper. I need to feel bad for all the non-sentient babies-in-progress who were 'murdered' by their moms.

But all the girls and women who got pregnant from consensual sex, or coercion and rape that they can't prove, they all had it coming. We're so focused on not dehumanizing the unborn that we fail to see we've dehumanized pregnant women and girls in the process. Which is nothing new, let's face it, but I really hoped that we got past this issue. Life begins at conception, and at the same time women's entitlement to their own bodies ends, and I'm fucking sick of this shit.

Anyway if you read all that thanks for listening :)

https://youtu.be/3-ACDhvL2j0?si=ghoynAGWPkZpRcmp

Jubilee just posted a video where Lila Rose is debating 25 pro choice activists. Lila is one of the worst I’ve ever heard of, she’s one of those who believe even when a woman is raped, she shouldn’t be able to have an abortion. Her first claim is that “abortion scars women” as if forced birth doesn’t scar them way more… I want to scream at her to leave women’s bodies alone.

Pro lifers will say that abortion is infanticide, but infants are the second stage of child development. First is newborns (0-1 month old) then there’s infants who are 1 month old to 1 year old. No one is aborting children that are already born.

Anyone know if an online chat group available to talk and vent to other people that are going through the same thing about your post abortion feelings?

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Forced pregnancy lasts longer than a separate act of rape, carries significantly more risks, is extremely painful and terrifying experience that can left a woman physically and mentally disabled for life. And is rooted in the same thing — loss of one's body autonomy for the benefit of another.

Forced birthers think that forced pregnancy is a good thing because it saves an unborn life. But rape is able to conceive this life and according to many of them who are religious, no life can come into this world without God planning it. So all rape pregnancies are planned, beautiful and important. Rape is therefore a tool of God's plan.

Why would rape be in any way wrong then? If it leads to pregnancy then it must be a good thing. PL don't consider pregnancy as a traumatic experience because it involves creating a life, why would rape, that is not much different from forced pregnancy, be a bad thing? Pro lifers who are comfortable with the thought of forcing pregnancy on someone must also endorse rape as a part of creating it because in the great scheme of making babies, woman's feelings and pain are irrelevant. It makes no sense for someone to consider one severe body violation good and the other one bad.