If a person is forced to donate organs, then they should be compensated millions through law suits.

A mother in Texas was also forced to go through extra vaginal wand ultrasounds and carry her dead fetus for weeks. A rape victim was put through child birth and morning sickness. Women and girls will no longer have access to abortion or contraception, this is a HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION declared by the UN.

Sue them all.

I have a libertarian friend who has this view. He believes abortion to be murder, but that banning it is unconstitutional and unethical due to being impossible to regulate. He also shares this view about banning guns and banning drugs: in a perfect world they could be banned, but realistically it would just lead to higher crime rates and more danger. Thoughts on this view?

My mother is pro-life and I am pro-choice. We were talking recently, but then she started talking about how she's against abortion because the fetus has a heartbeat. Therefore it's a life and equally is important as the mother. I obviously don't agree.

But then she talked about her experience having an early-term miscarriage and she got emotional of course. But she said that the baby was "sucked out of her violently" and that abortions are the same. And I didn't want to say anything because I didn't want to be insensitive to her experience... but at the same time, I disagree about the "violent" nature.

She then brought up that he friend had an abortion when she was younger because she didn't want a child and that she apparently now regrets it because she wonders what the child could have been. She talked about this as if it's some reason why other people shouldn't have abortions. It's the whole argument that the fetus will eventually become a baby thing. And I never know how to argue this point in the right way.

I'm just so unsure how to even talk to people like this who are so sure that abortion is murder and that it's killing a living being that, in their eyes is equally important as the living, breathing mother. It feels so irrational.

People debate all the time whether a fetus should have human rights.

Go ahead and grant them full human rights.

Someone who has already been born also doesn't have the right to use my organs against my will. Pro lifers are pro organ harvesting.

What are your thoughts on this? I was curious to ask if you all believe the pro lifers were wrongfully arrested? Or do you think they should have stayed in prison? They were arrested under some thing Biden put together called the face act. But now they are free to go. If I remember correctly I think these are the same ones I saw that were blocking people from going into the clinic. I remember seeing a video on youtube that pro lifers were arrested under the face act because they were blocking people from going into the clinics. If thats what they were doing then I see why they were arrested. I mean blocking people from going into a building should be illegal.

But I dont know if these pro lifers are the same people that did that. I think they are. The news is claiming they were peacefully protesting. But if they were blocking people from going in the clinic then they were not peaceful. I remember on the video there was a man infront of the door and the clinic lady asked him to move and he said "No mam" And if they were doing that then in my opinion I see why they got arrested. That should be considered harrassment if they are blocking you from going in the building. Then they all were praying infront of the door blocking people from going in. What do you all think about this? I would search for links but for some reason when I send links on subreddit it gets taken off. But I am sure you all have heard about this already.

Just got done arguing with a family member about abortion.

Honestly? What I gather from most of these pro-lifers is that they don't actually care about the fetus. Why is it that many people go on and on about how abortion is "murder" but then suddenly they say, "Oh but it's okay if it's in cases of rape or incest."

So... you don't actually care about the embryo/fetus. If they honestly think the fetus is just as important and equal as the person who is pregnant, then why would they not just want to force the rape victim to have the baby? Obviously they don't seem to care about the woman's quality of life, but just about saving another life.

You know what this tells me? They don't actually care about the fetus. They care about how the fetus was conceived. If it was forced upon a person, then they are okay with "murdering" it. But if it was an accident or if it's just a person who electively wants to abort... then they need to live with the "consequences" of their actions.

It's all about hating women who have sex for something other than procreation, shaming them and then having zero empathy for them. Because suddenly if someone accidentally gets pregnant, then I guess their rights to their own body and healthcare are no longer important. Whereas if someone willingly does something stupid out in the world and gets hurt... you can guarantee that person will still get treated at the hospital no questions asked. Because people are still allowed to get treatment even if they "caused the problem."

It's ridiculous to think that these people actually think a fetus is equivalent in importance to a living, breathing person. If there was a building on fire with 10 fertilized and viable embryos and also a screaming 1 year old baby... you're telling me these people would choose the embryos? I bet not. Because we all know, even if just at a subconscious level, that an embryo/fetus isn't the same as a living person.

Yesterday I engaged in a discussion with a 15 year old that clearly was strongly influenced by some far right Christian believes. I’m not American so I guess I cannot comprehend his views. But since religion is partly on the ground of philosophy, I decided to test out in how far epistemic violence can be seen as a form of violence from a pro choice perspective.

First of all, what is epistemic violence? Epistemic violence refers to the ways in which dominant groups (f.e. during the colonization colonizers) suppress, distort, or erase knowledge, particularly knowledge from the marginalized groups (f.e. The indigenous population).

In the abortion debate you can apply this concept by arguing that pro-life activism relies on epistemic violence in multiple ways, such as:

1. Silencing the experiences of people that had abortions.

Many people have come forward and shared their experiences. But the pro life movement usually only focuses on the cases where people regret having gone through with their decision, therefore silencing the people that can argue that this decision has been a good one for their personal life’s.

2. Misinformation (Sadly in some cases, but not all)

The pro life companies rely often on so called “pseudoscience”, which is often old news or propaganda, like for example falsely claiming that abortion causes infertility or depression. Don’t get me wrong, this can happen, but I could not find any numbers that proof what they say is true. So maybe you can also give some of your information to it and educate me as well.

3. Legal and Institionalized suppression of knowledge

Under this category can fall any restriction of sex education, limit access to contraceptives, and even criminalize doctors for providing abortion care. This actively erased knowledge that actually could help people make informed reproductive choices, reinforcing systemic control over bodies, especially those of women and marginalized genders.

4. Religious believes and cultural erasure

Pro lifers often say that “life begins at conception”, which is a subjective opinion. Differnt cultured and religions have (most likely) other believes and perspectives. So enforcing this well Christian-centered view, actively promotes erasing other world views and not accepting any other view at all.

5. Gender and Racial suppression as well as classicism

From observing some debates online, the pro-life movement often ignores how forced birth disproportionately harms marginalized communities, especially Black, Indigenous, and poor women who already face systemic barriers in healthcare. By pretending abortion bans affect everyone equally, they erase the knowledge and experiences of these groups of people and try (again) to reinforce their own believes

So now I know since it’s philosophy, this can be probably easily debunked, but I still wanted to share this take to hear some other opinions and maybe other takes.

Thank you for reading all that and have a nice day :)

A pro lifer used this site to promote the whole belief behind; abortions are forced and are roots of patriarchy. I know that these pro suffering have a strong way of playing and making you believe their ideas but what do you think of this site?

https://preview.redd.it/pna8zmy4bcge1.jpg?width=255&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f440c187c324f88a0658e8497ec9add1f0c2d9d

I've seen this image floating around by anti-choicers. Do they not realize how stupid an argument this is? First off all, Loggerhead sea turtles don't "choose" to abort their eggs the way people do. A human will get arrested for stepping on the eggs because you are disturbing the wildlife. Stepping on a loggerhead sea turtle egg is not comparable to a woman getting an abortion by her own choice, it is comparable to a tiger eating a fetus out of a woman's womb, which i am very obviously against. If a sea turtle could make a decision to abort its own eggs, i would let it. But it can't, because its a fucking animal. These are the same type of people who try to put morality on alligators for eating puppies. Its a fucking animal.

Also, humans aren't endangered.

Sorry for shit quality image lol

Oh god…

I dreamt that I got pregnant somehow, and I was trying desperately to come up with the money for the abortion before I hit 6 weeks. If I didn’t find anyone by 6 weeks, I’d be stuck with the child. I also couldn’t find a planned parenthood and it was this nightmarish countdown…

Obviously I’ve been having these kinds of nightmares due to the chaos that’s been happening in our country. I’m terrified of losing this option if I ever fall pregnant…

I’ve been going back and forth since the election. My husband and I were originally going to try the beginning of this year but with all of these bans, it makes me very hesitant.

Every decision I’ve made since starting college was to build up and become a mother. I have a great career with amazing benefits and paid maternity leave, my husband has a great job also with paternity leave. We bought a house, our bills are manageable, and were fortunate enough to be able to build savings.

Now, I have PCOS and chronic inflammation; which just makes miscarriages much higher. And now that my state requires your information to be public if you need any abortions. This is horrifying to me.

But this is what we want, but on the other hand is it even safe to bring a child in this mess? I also think the ones having kids are the mindless MAGAts and maybe we need to pop out like one so there’s at least one good human in the future. I just had an appointment with my provider and she said please don’t worry about not receiving life saving care, that the network will 10000% back me up if things go south.

What do I do? I’m so crossed.

When laws made by men with no medical education contradict the evaluations and perspectives of doctors who possess a wealth of knowledge and expertise, we are dangerously back-pedaling as a society. It should concern everyone that no medical professionals, such as those participating in the American Medical Association, are advocating for anti-abortion laws. Our law-makers have about as much medical experience as a stone, and have no place for making decisions that so adversely affect women’s health.

I love how he gives the definition for sex discrimination which based on his segue is guilt of.

If the federal abortion ban occurs, women are no longer safe in this country. If they become victims of sexual assault, they will be forced to have babies against their will. Some will unfortunately die because their bodies can’t carry to term among other health issues. Is this really what we want for our future?

sorry if this doesn’t belong here/allowed here.

I am thinking about getting this. Do you hide your identity when buying this ie vpn, safe emails, and visa gift card for payment. Or not. It is still legal.

My boyfriend and I are both super liberal, but he’s scared to talk to his kids about abortion. They’re 8 and 10. He doesn’t even want me to wear my pro-roe or abortion shirts because he’s afraid they’ll ask about it. I’m like… it’s a medical procedure. You don’t have to get into it! But he thinks that because they’re kids they’ll think I like killing babies. 🙄

We live in Louisiana so it’s quite taboo here and his family is super conservative so of course he is also trying to protect me from their judgement and he doesn’t want me to cause a sticky situation for myself. But we’ve been together for over 2 years and it’s a potential deal breaker for me moving forward.

This is a big issue for me because if they were my children, they would know. Obviously they aren’t so it’s not up to me, but I feel a social responsibility to educate in order to prevent stigma. Am I the crazy one? Are they just too young? How do I navigate this?

I keep seeing people, pro life or just pro choice who keep saying it's at the end the father's choice to abortion or keeping the baby. What kind of nonsense is this, it makes me enraged.

Does any of you think that this anyway and anyhow applies, I certainly don't. I do think it's better to ask or have a small discussion but it should always be the woman's choice at the end. Genuinely going to start praying for such men to get pregnant with triplets in the US this year.

My state has a total abortion ban, with no exceptions. I chose to get sterilized to protect my life, as well as to support my child-free lifestyle.

I am a military veteran, and asked the VA if they will do it for me. I got ZERO pushback from the VA doctor. The doctor even encouraged my choices! After the initial consultation with the surgeon, my surgery date was set for Feb 4, only a week away (which is so quick considering how long it takes to get a normal appointment for lost vet)

I was actually really surprised, especially since the VA has been pro life for a very long time, refusing to help veterans get access to abortion services even before the over turn of roe v wade.

So, if any of my brothers, sisters, and LGBTQIA+ siblings in arms need to hear it, the VA supports your decision!