I saw an Ahmadi recently argue that the Lekh Ram "prophecy" is one of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's greatest. Let's just assume that these prophecies are actually prophecies and not just random coincidences from a guy who said a lot of stuff, some of which may have actually came true. I still don't see how it's proof of divinity, never mind proof of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's claims to being a messiah. In fact, the present-day analogy, being charitable, would be a guy on Twitter who's otherwise an asshole but somehow managed to predict Brexit, the Trump presidency and Covid in 2010.

Seriously, have you ever actually looked at what the supposed prophecies are? Just read through this one from a Masroor stan* website, predicting the death of Lekh Ram.

For background, Lekh Ram was a Hindu religious leader who got involved in a feud that must have been like the Razi-Adnan feud of its time, possibly with each side issuing regular pamphlets declaring the other one to be exposed, their hatred for each other surpassed only by their love of each other, because they complete each other and make the other relevant. But we're getting off topic.

Lekh Ram will die within six years of 20th February 1893

He will not die from an illness

He will die via a stabbing with a dagger or sword

He will die on the day following Eid

The day or the hour would be 6

His example would be like the Calf of Samri i.e will be destroyed on a Saturday

Just like plague came after the destruction of the Calf, similarly, plague will come after the death of Lekh Ram

First of all, why is it so important to predict the death of an opponent? What does this prophecy, and its centrality to the Ahmadi belief system, tell you about how that belief system regards opposition? As far as I can tell, Lekh Ram didn't do anything that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad didn't do, which is use some harsh language to criticize another religion and then predict the death of his opponent. Why doesn't Mirza Masroor Ahmad today go around predicting the deaths of Youtubers who criticize Islam?

Second, why is the prophecy so shoddily constructed? You can predict that someone will die, but only within the next six years. They will die on the day following Eid and with a sharp object, we're just not sure which one. The number six will be involved, but we're just not sure how. Oh, and for shits and giggles, a plague will follow that will likely kill many innocent people because Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was apparently quite the nihilist edgelord.

Lekh Ram was in fact stabbed to death. I feel like if you are a religious leader who predicts the death of an opponent and go so far as to stake your legitimacy on it, you're probably guilty of inciting violence more than you are cementing your status as a prophet if that opponent then gets mysteriously stabbed to death.

But, whatever, there are tons and tons of prophecies, such as the weird one with the eclipse or where Mirza Ghulam Ahmad told a distant relative that he would marry the relative's 14-year-old daughter because the guy apparently didn't believe in Islam anymore. It's unclear if this scene from Family Guy was actually inspired by the writers reading about the Muhammadi Begum prophecy.

Whoa, what a creep, he just wants to marry a 14-year-old . Who happens to be, uh, his relative. But don't worry, he's just trying to humiliate his opponent in the worst way possible according to this stan* website:

I do not know if you are familiar with the traditions of family customs in India or not. But those who are aware will bear out that to publicly demand the hand of a daughter of an enemy, particularly of feudal stock, is probably the most potent way to chagrin and humiliate an adversary. Hence, God Almighty, in His Infinite wisdom, decided to hit this branch of a traditionally noble family in a manner as would hit the hardest where it hurts.

Also, you definitely can't say that the guy is a bit weird for wanting to marry a 14-year-old while being 53 years old himself. Get your head out of the gutter. He was happily married! To a pious lady! Of noble stock! Noble stock!

Otherwise, it is inconceivable to imagine that Hazrat Ahmad would, on his own accord think of seeking a matrimonial union into a family so far removed from Islam.

At that point in time, Hazrat Ahmad was 53 years of age and happily married to a pious lady of noble stock, Hazrat Nusrat Jahan Begum, descendant of Nawab Mir Dard. It is clear beyond a shadow of a doubt that Hazrat Ahmad was not given to worldly pleasures. 

Anyway, then it all falls apart and he never actually married the poor girl because supposedly her dad repented or whatever and Ahmadis will argue with you until they're blue in the face white in the minaret about weirdness like what is the right age of consent and how this prophecy actually did come true if you really think about it. I just happen to think it's a pretty fucked up prophecy to begin with and I wouldn't highlight it in the year two thousand twenty-four if I was trying to convince people to join or stay in my New Religious Movement.

With this one, again, imagine the equivalent today. You leave the jamaat, get married, have kids and live your life. Then, a distant relative, perhaps the president of a local jamaat, goes on Tiktok and says that he's going to marry your daughter as a way of humiliating you for becoming an apostate. If you respond to that Tiktok, then Razi releases a video declaring that you're an enemy of Islam and you'll be dead in six years.

And then you do die. I just don't think Ahmadis would get that many converts as a result, because these prophecies are actually repulsive, awful things. They were also repulsive, awful things when Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was doing them, regardless of whether or not they came true.

^(*Since you can no longer claim that any website, event, or correspondence in the jamaat is truly official, I've settled on this term to capture how everything and nothing in the jamaat is official)

Hey all,

I'm a 22 F living in Western Canada and my entire family is trying to find a rishta for me and not gonna lie i'm sick of it already and it's only just started (woohoo).

My parents are trying to find me someone who's like super high up and involved with the jammat. I seriously don't want to end up with someone dedicated to the AMJ because I feel like I would have to tell them about my lack of interest in the Jammat which I fear would ruin a good relationship otherwise (esp if they care for the jammat) I want my future partner and I to be honest with each other.

I also just want to find someone on my own terms and get to know them before sharing a future together.

So yeah, dm me if you're in the same boat LOL

I know this might sound silly to some, but I (F 21 - Canada) need help convincing my parents to let me travel abroad for my masters.

I need help on how to convince them, preferably some islamic and ahmadi topics/discourse which supports it. I recall a video from 2022/2023 from this week with Huzoor, where he said its okay for mature girls to travel, but i cant find the video.

Any help would be amazing! And please don’t with the “you’re an adult, just go.” Because yes i can just go, but i want to go with my parents approval and happiness. Its taking me a long time to have a good relationship with my parents and i don’t wanna ruin it. I want freedom with their support not hostility.

I have noticed jamaat in general has gotten more modern, and many girls are travelling for leisure and academics.

According to Aḥmadiyyah, Mirzā Ghulām Aḥmad is the one to judge the authenticity of aḥādīth because he is the prophesied Hakam-o-Adal, and his divinely-guided judgment on aḥādīth cancels out all the other humanly-judgments of ḥadīth scholars on aḥādīth. But I seem to have identified a flaw in this argument: In order for Mirzā Ghulām Aḥmad to be able to judge the authenticity of aḥādīth, he must already be the prophesied Hakam-o-Adal in the first place, but for him to even be able to be recognized as the prophesied Hakam-o-Adal, the aḥādīth themselves that prophesy the advent of a Hakam-o-Adal must first be proven true, so that the advent of a Hakam-o-Adal could be known to have been truly prophesied. This creates a paradox then: Mirzā Ghulām Aḥmad's status as the prophesied Hakam-o-Adal is needed to judge the authenticity of aḥādīth, but the aḥādīth themselves that prophesy the advent of a Hakam-o-Adal need to be judged as authentic to recognize him as the prophesied Hakam-o-Adal. Essentially, it's a circular argument where he must be the very thing that itself needs proof, making it logically untenable. So, how can any ḥadīth be judged as authentic in any way by anyone under Aḥmadiyyah?

Chanda/ umumi

3 Questions

1: If promised messiah was a non law bearing prophet why did he instill chanda where there's only zakat mentioned in the holy quran and all these quotes they use about giving God a goodly loan but thats something given out of your own free will

2: Did the successors of MGA claim to be non law bearing prophets as well? If not why we're they allowed to add new rules/ new chanda schemes at fixed rates ?

3: Also why do they have umumi system which basically spies on individuals then write down their vices in the system for everyone to see. I'm sure the holy prophet saw prohibits that

There was a great comment on a recent post about wearing the hijab from u/drobbor that I think bears repeating. I've copied it below:

I want every Ahmadi girl to know one thing I learned after decades of battling on things like this with my parents.. your parents are actually completely powerless.. they cannot control you. They cannot forcibly put the hijab on your head. They cannot forcibly marry you off or do anything else against your will. There is only one tool in their toolbox and it is emotional manipulation. Stand firm on what you want and if you need to do so for larger matters or if they get physical.. remind them that you are legally an adult and have the Canadian legal system behind you. Let their words roll off your back and stand firm on what you want. You will come out on top.

It is both incredibly obvious and powerful to remind people struggling with their parents over religion and how close they are to the jamaat that, if you're over 18 and living in a Western country, all the power actually rests with you. Your parents can't force you to pray, they can't force you to go to a jalsa, they can't force you to marry or not marry somebody and deep down, they know this.

That's why it's common for South Asian parents, especially those in the jamaat, to use emotional manipulation, codependence and a lack of personal boundaries from an early age. Your problems aren't their problems, but their problems are definitely your problems. You must be religious, you must have the right type of job, you must be attractive, but not too attractive, to a potential spouse, and you can't pull out of any of this because that would cause your poor parents' heart to fail. Your relationship is basically the movie Speed, where you move through adolescence at breakneck speed without time to think lest the ticking time bomb of shame explodes.

For everyone reading this who isn't religious and who doesn't want a future in the jamaat of raising observant Ahmadi kids with an observant Ahmadi spouse, it's important to create boundaries between yourself and your parents. It's important to try and defuse the power of emotional manipulation by being able to say that you love your parents but you won't have a relationship with them if every interaction is motivated by, or boils down to, you living your life on their terms. If they want to be religious, they can knock themselves out, but you don't have to do the same and you also don't have to have them in your life.

According to Ahmadi beliefs, Hellfire (Jahanam) will cease to exist and everyone, including non-believers, will be get out of it and end in Paradise (Jannah). What the arguments for that are isn't the point.

Which for me questions the use of Ahmadis preaching their beliefs:

If everyone will get out of Hellfire, even those who didn't believe in Ahmadiyya, why would people take the step to accept Ahmadiyya in the first place? It ain't matter because every super-hard anti-ahmadi critic will be even freed from Hellfire, so why would some random guy take the effort to believe in it? Yeah you gonna suffer a bit but at the end, you end up with the Mahmud and Bashir you were fighting online against in Paradise.

To make things more 'useless', Ahmadis (correct me if I'm wrong) believe that those that didn't heard about Ahmadiyya at all will be excepted from the Judgement of Allah. They will probably end in Paradise because it isn't their fault for not believing in it because they didn't knew it. So which begs the question that if Ahmadis make it their mission to see everyone saved from Hellfire (even if it is temporal), you would think twice before preaching to people whom you at 9/10 would know they wouldn't accept your beliefs nor would you see them ever again anyways, and so giving them the higher chance of them getting ended in Hellfire for not accepting Ahmadiyya.

It's all messed up. I'm open for corrections.

I'm an 18 year old ahmadi from canada for context. For a while, I have started to dislike wearing the hijab, not feeling comfortable in it and just resenting it. One major reason i hate wearing it is the expectations my mom expects me to follow. the most innocent things are seen as disrespectful or inappropriate to my parents because of the fact that i wear a hijab - laughing in public, running, just normal things. I hate wearing it because my mom specifically finds it basically illegal to let people know that i exist as a female. The purdah rules in general in ahmadiyyat are so stupid - what is a coat gonna do? I'm not religious myself at all. I don't feel a connection with god by wearing the hijab, it just makes me hate religion even more. sometimes i wish i was never born muslim because of the fact that i'm forced to wear it. I brought up that i wanted to stop wearing it to my mom and she acted like i said i killed someone.

Is there anything i can do or say to my parents to be able to not wear it anymore?

I'm 28 years old, born Ahmadi, but over time, I've become more and more confused about my religion. There are a lot of things that my heart just doesn't agree with. When I got divorced, my ex-husband never showed up to the Jamat court, so I went through the Pakistani court system instead. Yet, his father still holds a high position in the community, and his mother has openly said, in a proud and threatening tone, that no one can challenge them. It really bothers me how people who are supposed to be leading and teaching can't even control their own families.

Now, after my divorce, I don't want to get married within the community again. But living in Pakistan, it's hard to convince my parents of this, and I don't have someone in mind that I can say I'll marry outside of the community either. I feel like I'm stuck in the same boat as many others, looking for a way out. Has anyone else gone through something similar? How did you navigate this situation?

Salam

I (currently an Ahmadi) am currently trying my best to research and understand the beliefs of Ahmadiyyat and Islam more thoroughly before deciding where to commit. I'm in my mid 20s and need to find the right path soon, before I get married.

I'd really appreciate some pointers on clear and specific topics to look deeper into. Especially any clear mistakes made by khilafa, any contradictions in Mirza Gulam Ahmad's writings, any claims made by MGA or his khilafa that can easily be proven false. Any clear refutations to these are also deeply appreciated. Please include relevant Hadith or Quran reference if applicable.

(Please be calm, respectful and brief in the comments. We are all, no matter what faith, trying to find the right path and follow it to the best of our abilities)

Jazakallah

For the last few years, I’ve been reflecting deeply on Ahmadiyyat, questioning many of the teachings I grew up with. There are aspects I can genuinely appreciate—like the belief in Khilafat, which I find to be a well-structured system, somewhat akin to a presidency. However, beyond that, there are more aspects that, over time, have led me to question my place within this community.

I’ve made amazing friends along the way, and I’ll always cherish the funny and memorable moments we’ve shared. Those relationships are something I’ll carry with me for the rest of my life. But after a lot of reflection, I’ve come to the conclusion that this path isn’t for me.

I wish nothing but the best for those who remain part of the Ahmadiyya community, but for me, this chapter is closing. I don’t see the end goal aligning with my beliefs anymore. So, I’m stepping away—for good.

Signing Out,

Imran T.I.S

As someone who's not from the US, I’ve always assumed that most American Ahmadis would support the Democratic Party. A prominent example of this is Qasim Rashid, who has run for political office as a Democrat. Given the Democratic Party’s focus on diversity and inclusion, and the fact that Muslims, in general, tend to lean towards Democrats, it seemed like a natural alignment.

However, in the Ahmadiyya Discord server, I was surprised to find quite a few vocal Trump supporters among the community. Some members were very open about their support for conservative values—one even mentioned proudly owning guns, and discussed how a prominent Ahmadi also owns a significant number of firearms. Some expressed concerns about issues such as abortion rights and the LGBTQ+ movement, framing these as reasons for opposing Democrats.

This has made me wonder: Have American Ahmadis always leaned towards conservative politics, or is this a new phenomenon? I understand that religious communities sometimes align with right-wing ideologies, especially on social issues, but I didn’t expect this level of support for Trump, given his track record on issues like immigration, Islamophobia and other personal things.

Are we seeing a broader shift within the Ahmadiyya community, or is this just a few online warriors forced to become more conservative because of debates and discussions with others?

Why does the father of the bride say "qabool hai" on the bride's behalf and why isn't the bride nowhere to be found usually in Ahmadi nikkahs? Also, when the father says "qabool hai," he only says it once and not 3 times like the girl is supposed to. How is this kind of Nikkah accepted because the girl didn't say it. What if the girl never agreed to the marriage but her dad just decided to turn up. And what if the girl never even signed the papers, it was done by someone else? There were never any witnesses so you will never know. I've always found this really strange.

Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama'at Inc. does not have anything going for it. Absolutely nothing. They are no different that any other religious group out there that believes in God and thinks they are special.

In essence, Ahmadis are banking on WWIII to happen so they can prove to the world that their Khulafa have been right all along. Mind you, a prophecy that their Khulafa keep pushing forward and its date keeps getting adjusted. According to Mirza Tahir Ahmad, WWIII was supposed to either happen in the last 10 years of the 20th century, or in the first 10 years of the 21st century.

It was based on this prophecy that Ahmadis were pushing so hard the idea that a nuclear war was inevitable in the early days of Mirza Masroor Ahmad. They were hoping for disaster to happen up until about 2012, when their dreams were shattered that they world did not burn down. But these shameless people did not pause to reflect on how wrong they were. They continued business as usual, as if nothing happened.

Now, again, according to the present Khalifa of the Jama'at, WWIII has already begun. But, it is business as usual in the world..just the Middle East burning down. Ahmadis will ignore this blunder too and make it a memory hole, and continue to peddle their hopes of seeing the world burn down so they can take over. Unbelievably psychopathic.

Ahmadis are hoping that post-WWIII events would see them as the leaders of the world. There is nothing else to keep them driven. How depressing.

If WWIII does not catapult them to claim the world, the other element that Ahmadis are banking on is to see them as leading the world is their grand 300-year prophecy. A prophecy so vague that it does not necessary mean that it will be Ahmadis themselves who will rule the world. But, of course, Ahmadis are the masters of the Texas Sharp Shooter fallacy. They will manage to do some damage control when the time is right.

Aside for the above two hopes, there is nothing special about the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama'at. Their leader is just a lame duck and nothing more - a person who just keeps peddling world destruction (while trying to "save" it...how ironic!) in order to have bragging rights that they prophesied the destruction of the world. There is nothing else that they can offer the world - just to warn the world that Muslims are the boogeyman, and to stay away from them.

Even if, a big if - let's say that a third world war does break out, how will Ahmadis show the world they were any different than the people, who, since the end of WWII, have been talking about a nuclear disaster. This is the whole idea behind the Doomsday Clock. Or, others who have voiced similar concerns and who have been working tirelessly to trying to preventing a world disaster.

Neither world war three will happen nor will Ahmadis rule the world. But, that will not deter them to push the agenda and keep raking in billions of dollars in chanda money for a cause that is meant to enrich the Mirza Family only.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeQmUvbDhg3RZabgejBc6vCxMDYYjA-4xHuRDWoQTRbcOmmOQ/viewform?usp=sf_link

I want to gain a deeper insight on how Islamic prayer affects our mind (it's my research project) so by doing this quick survey, it would help a lot. I promise it's not a scam or anything lol. BTW yall dont gotta use yall real names

• The group is focused on a living leader to whom members seem to display excessively zealous, unquestioning commitment.

• The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.

• The group is preoccupied with making money.

• Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.

• Mind-numbing techniques (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, debilitating work routines) are used to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).

• The leadership dictates sometimes in great detail how members should think, act, and feel (for example: members must get permission from leaders to date, change jobs, get married; leaders may prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, how to discipline children, and so forth).

• The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s), and members (for example: the leader is considered the Messiah or an avatar; the group and/or the leader has a special mission to save humanity).

• The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which causes conflict with the wider society.

• The group’s leader is not accountable to any authorities (as are, for example, military commanders and ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream denominations).

• The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify means that members would have considered unethical before joining the group (for example: collecting money for bogus charities).

• The leadership induces guilt feelings in members in order to control them.

• Members’ subservience to the group causes them to cut ties with family and friends, and to give up personal goals and activities that were of interest before joining the group.

• Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.

Source

A few months ago, I came across information about Nida ul Naseer. As someone who has been a devoted Ahmadi since birth, I was deeply shaken after hearing her call recordings with Hazoor Anwar and Naseer Shah.

The actions of these high-ranking officials, as revealed in these recordings, were shocking disgusting, had total loss of integrity.

especially considering their responsibilities within a religious organization and in the context of Islam. I’m feeling heartbroken, disturbed, and disappointed by this. Tried discussing it with a jimat official and he refused to talk on this issue.

Does anyone else in this group share these sentiments?

The following was sent in a local jamat GC

"Alternative Lifestyles❓

Assalam Aalikum. Jamat Canada has launched a website to educate youth and parents on how to tackle un-Islamic lifestyles. The website contains numerous resources how to tackle these challenges in the light of the guidance provided by Islam.

Please visit this website and take maximum benefit from it.

https://alternativelifestyles.ca"

I make fun of Evangelicals for crying about these kinds of "agendas"🤦

Without a doubt she was and is still a victim.

The gaslighting mastery and legally savvy community of the Ahmadis swept her whole identity and existence under the carpet under the guise that Nida did not have a legal case. Thus, painting her as the liar. Hook, line, sinker, Ahmadis gulped that Kool-Aid without thinking twice. Even when the legal system did punish Murabbi Muhammad Luqman Rana, Ahmadis found creative ways of distancing him from the Ahmadi community, even going as far as saying he was an imposter...even when it was proven he was born Ahmadi.

Unless it is convenient to them, Ahmadis only promote that physical violence is bad. Thus, giving themselves a blank cheque to freely use any emotional violence...because is it legal...since it leaves no visible scars.

Maintaining their status quo as the only representatives of Islam, one that rejects physical jihad and champions "absolute justice," so that they could remain the West's think-tank when it comes to Islam; and, to continue to appeal to the popular culture of "human rights" and to make themselves out to be as the only victim of history is a matter of life and death for the community - there is no room for Nida in the department of Ahmadi sympathy. There can only be one victim in history. Ahmadis have to appear docile and pacific. How can a lamb ever show anger? That is why Ahmadis have an abundant supply of fall guys. Hence, why the community appears so blemishless. Those who know know.

The mythical legend of the god-controlled Ahmadi caliphate came to a screeching halt because of the courage of Nida. The act of the Ahmadi khalifa was at last up the moment we all finally heard what an Ahmadi caliph actually sounds like when no one is watching and when no one is listening and when walls can't talk. Hint: they are no different than you and I. They are angry, they are violent, they are jealous. This time the caliphate was caught with its pants down.

When Nida Ul Nasser and her mother were excommunicated by the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama'at Inc., that is when it was clear that the whole community was nothing but a facade for god knows what.

A true champion of human rights and a sincere voice for absolute justice would have left no stone unturned and made sure that those who abused an innocent child - only to gaslight her when she was finally of age and conscious and realized what had been happening to her all along - were given double the punishment (one for having abused her and another for concealing the abuse itself). But, of course, their caliph - who himself is at the mercy of those who have given him asylum - could never "punish" in front of a Western public audience: it would go against their hollow principles of being a "peaceful community" and "love for all, hatred for none." Ahmadis only emotionally belt their own behind closed doors who dare to exhibit what Ahmadiyyat really is.

Alas, how can charlatans who only sell snake oil mete out justice? And, these simpleton Ahmadis who defend the religion of their fathers think they are going to rule the whole world one day.

https://www.nidaulnasser.co.uk/book

"I was a bird that was caged

Behind bars I was entrapped

I was an innocent that was enslaved

Into constraints I was strapped

But now this bird has spread her wings

I was confined, but now I have escaped

I have found my voice and an ode I sing

No longer in darkness am I draped"

I'm a Sunni Muslim. I've read into Ahmadi literature not because I was interested in the religon, but because I wanted to understand my friends belief system.

Ahmadis like to get upset with Muslims - whether Sunni, Shia or Sufi - about us not considering them Muslim. However, according to Ahmadi literature, it is fard upon Ahmadis to consider non-Ahmadis as non-Muslims and not pray behind them.

I'm just so tired of this reeking hypocrisy. Your murabbis will say one thing, 'love for all hatred for none' 'hum kisi ko kaffir nahi kehte' but in reality, your literature speaks otherwise.

This whole thing about being against Jihad and whatever weird ways Ahmadis portrays Sunnis, but in the Jalsa Salana Canada 2024, there was literally chants for "Mirza Ghulam ka jai".

Many, MANY more examples. I have people I love who are Ahmadi but when I try to point this out to them, it's like they can't see clear proof.

Hey so i have a friend whos exremely jealous of my , abt grades n such and her mom is even worse and thus been since like we met (8th or 9th grade)and now we in our senior year, n recently i been having a decline, im getting marks i never got before and i been crying almost daily abt the marks, so what do u think guys?

Assalamu alykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu

I'm a Muslim college student currently doing a project on the 'compatibility of Islam and evolution'

I would like to gleam some general attitudes of evolution from the Ahmadiyya community. From what I understand the Ahmadiyya community are more accepting of evolution.

I welcome all perspectives and views.

For inspiration consider the following questions:

How do you interpret the story of Adam and Hawa?

How do you reconcile your beliefs with science?

What do you think the relationship of Islam and evolution will be in the next 50-100 years?

By replying to this post you consent to me quoting or referencing your post under the title of anonymous.

I would really appreciate replies since I'm not having any luck on any other Muslim subreddits

JazakAllah Khyran

Been doing light reading about Khilafat on the Internet - nothing major, but a few questions come to mind:

1. There is nowhere in the Qur'an where it talks about the divinity or even the 'right guidance' of a Khalifa. It does talk about how humans are stewards of the earth, but no this direct reference to the institution of Khilafat. So why is it that members of the jamaat (including very senior people) say that Huzoor was divinely appointed by God influencing the voters? There is very much a vibe that people think he's divinely appointed.

2. Based on the above, why do people write to huzoor to ask for prayers? Surely you'd be better off asking your nearest and dearest who will actually pray for you?

3. Given how the world is today I.e. different sects of Islam, each with its own nuances, and each country with its own political systems, how can the Ahmadi's seriously believe they will take over the world and establish their khilafat?

4. If the Holy Prophets Khilafat failed after 4, what makes Ahmadi's believe they can last longer? How far are they willing to push to maintain their image? We already know some very shady stuff goes on at the top of the jamaat.

Just some thoughts really - would be interesting to get others thoughts on this.

Does anyone know if Rishtacorner is any good? I’ve seen it mentioned here before but idk anyone who’s personally used it.

Would people recommend it? Does it have a lot of users in UK?

How open can you be on it? What’s the sign up process like? How much info do you have to give them for them to be able to verify you before you go on the app.

And once ur on the app how much info is available for others to see?

Hello! To preface: I am not part of this community. Was told my previous post came off as a little conspiracy minded so I’ll include what inspired me to make this post!

Keep in mind: When I look into things I, first but not only, tend to look into what people are saying on social media as opposed to specific articles because I believe social media gives more insight into people’s mindset as opposed to articles that can be more polished.

The below is a sentiment that I’ve come across more than I’d like to admit. It’s very reminiscent of genocidal rhetoric and pretty scary. It’s very concerning to me. I know the persecution has been getting worse but it seems to me that this could very quickly spiral into even more genocidal action similar to Nazi Germany.

So I thought I would pose a question/discussion here: Why do you think that mainstream Muslims, especially in Pakistan, seem to believe this theory about Ahmadiyya Muslims? Or do you know anything about the origins of this misguided belief?

Below are just a few examples I’ve combed together!

https://x.com/afrenebege/status/1261940628553961473?s=46

https://x.com/ahmadiyyafacts/status/1808672267985170546?s=46

https://x.com/brigade111_/status/1673522209409703937?s=46

https://x.com/anashaykh/status/1826625987192500408?s=46

https://x.com/khalid390465965/status/1694592793300074551?s=46

https://x.com/khalid390465965/status/1694593357119459828?s=46

We know that there is Magnificent clarity in the Quran , so much so that God said:

This is a perfect Book; there is no doubt in it; it is a guidance for the righteous, [2:3] (link)

and

In plain and clear Arabic tongue. [26:196] (link)

Obviously instructions and prophecies can be interpreted a million ways to suite the believers, but one imagines stories considered historically true would be described in an easy, simple manner. Lets read the story of 38:45 in the Quran

And We said to him, ‘Take in thy hand a handful of dry twigs and strike therewith, and break not thy oath.’ Indeed, We found him steadfast. An excellent servant was he. Surely, he was always turning to God. [38:45](link)

It is largely agreed in Ahmadi texts that this is a story of Prophet Job/Ayub, but that's where the agreement ends. Let's see what Mirza Tahir Ahmed (KM4) had to say about it.

View 1: In his Urdu Tarjumatul Quran class he describes this as a punishment Prophet Job/Ayub gave to his wife (link, from 40:27 in the video).

View 2: In his written translation of the Quran, he stated that view 1 is "strange" and "fabricated". Instead he proposed that here Allah told Ayub to strike his horse (or whatever other ride) with sticks to make it run faster. (link)

Besides the obvious weirdness about why God would advise to beat up horses or beat up wives, clearly one of the stories has to be wrong? But the matter doesn't end there. We find that KM1 (link) and KM2 (link) supported View 2, whereas MGA supported View 1 (link)[Malfoozat, vol 9, page 108, Shara me heela]. Such simple Quran.

A key question that pops up after this little journey through texts is:

• Who's word is more important on Quran? Three Khalifas or the person they all called Prophet and claimed to follow?

Interestingly, View 1 is nowhere in the English commentaries and translations on Alislam.org and Ahmadi exegeses on openquran.com . It is all about View 2 in English. A bunch of question follow from this:

• Why would Jamaat try to suppress a view held by MGA?
• How far will Jamaat go in hiding the views of MGA from English readers?
• Are the views of MGA supposed to be propagated by Jamaat or the views of the latest Khalifa?

So I recently heard about some tabbarukat items being exhibited at the Khuddam Ijtema in Canada. A friend of mine sent me pictures of things like the hair of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and even a dirty used handkerchief of one of the Khalifas, from a PIA flight. What really threw me off, though, was the display of clothes belonging to the current Khalifa—while he's still alive. Like, how do people even get access to his clothes (do people just swap his clothes, does the KM5 know of this, is he ok with people revering his worn clothes)? And seriously, where do we draw the line?

I understand the concept of tabbarukat—items that hold some significance because they’re connected to holy figures. But when we start talking about random pieces of clothing or cut-up bits of a pagri (turban), it just seems to go way too far. What’s next, an undergarment or some other personal item? This kind of reverence feels more like fetishizing objects than actually honoring the person.

Is anyone else as weirded out by this as I am? Where do we set the boundary on what qualifies as tabbaruk? At what point does this cross over from respect into something much more questionable?

Unexpectedly, I have been strongly criticized for my conversion to Islam, and accused of having extremist views. Hence, it inspired me to make another post on this subject.

I have seen that there are still some Jammat elements within the criticisms, culturally speaking (note I am not criticizing all cultural Ahmadis contrary to the title of this thread).

These Jammat elements are:

1. Bigotry against Islam/Muslims; All X is Y in essence.

2. Gaslighting tactics

This is something the critics of my views should consider and could be a reason why ex-Ahmadis turned Muslims are a bit hesitant to come on here and hence, I shall speak on their behalf.

You may be ex-Ahmadi and saw the lies of Jammat, but I must humbly point out, you still have some of the tactics your former religion taught you in your upbringing. You may not have liked being gaslit when you began to question but you proceed to gaslight when another ex-Ahmadi doesn't identify with you. That makes one naturally conclude you're very much culturally Jammatish as the religious Jammat people we commonly criticize, and I make no distinction between the two in this aspect.

I'm not here to start a fight. Only that the truth needs to be said about some flaws in your approaches. Don't like this criticism? All X is Y? That's the point. Not all X is Y. Not all Muslims are extremists and not all cultural Ahmadis use gaslighting tactics. That's the point.

Let's stay within the rules of the subreddit.