/r/ExAhmadis
We are Ex-Ahmadis who wish to create a space for anyone who has left Ahmadiyya, is questioning, or simply wishes to learn.
This is a place to share and discuss your findings on the cult.
Together we hope to unveil Ahmadiyya and share what is often unseen by many, hidden from the public.
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Assalaamu Alaikum, and Welcome!
We are Ex-Ahmadis who wish to create a space for anyone who has left Ahmadiyya, is questioning, or simply wishes to learn.
We invite you to join us in sharing, learning, and creating a Resourceful Archive.
This is a place to share and discuss your experiences and findings on the religion.
Together we hope to unveil Ahmadiyya and share what is often unseen by many, hidden from the public
Vulgar language will not be tolerated. Please be civil, kind, and just.
No spreading rumors. Don't make outlandish claims without providing proof (Please cite your sources)!
All content posted should be relevant to this sub!
Remember, we want to educate people, not drive them away.
Please keep in mind this isn't a place to propagate your own beliefs, no matter what your faith (or lack of) may be. Thank You.
Irrelevant content will be removed!
Moderators reserve the right to ban rule breakers!
Resources:
Books by Ex-Ahmadis:
Ahmadiyya Beliefs and Experiences by Hassan Bin Mahmood Odeh
Free preview of Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus, by Nabeel Qureshi
Ex-Ahmadi YouTube channels:
Videos by Ex-Ahmadis:
Ex-Ahmadi Websites
Websites from the Ahmadiyya Sects:
Qadiani Ahmadi:
Lahorie Ahmadi:
Jamaat Al-sahih Al-Islam:
Green Ahmadi:
Jamaat Ahmadiyya Islah Pasand:
Jamaat Ahmadiyya Al-Mouslemeen
Other resources:
Far from the Caliph's Gaze: Being Ahmadi Muslim in the Holy City of Qadian by Nicholas H.A. Evans
[Afzal Upal sharing the first 8 pages of his Book](https://youtu.be/ewPFU5LwUpA
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How to stop Ahmadis in Africa and the MiddleEast
In the Indian subcontinent its very difficult for ahmadiyyah to make progress as they're so gate hated.
They seem to be better at duping Africans and Arabs through a mix of offering worldly benefits (access to western countries, career opportunities, development in poor countries with wells and agriculture and training and food handouts other incentives) and also praying on their ignorance of not understanding the full extent of what ahmadiyyah believe.
How do we educate Arabs and Africans about the dangers of ahmadi beliefs and deter them from converting?
17:01 UTC
Jamaat Ahmadiyya has metaphorical Countries!
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16:05 UTC
Let's get this sub reddit active
Hi everyone. I posted in the other ex ahmadi subreddit and they had a really heavy handed admin who complained that the subreddit is mainly for ahmadis who leave Islam altogether rather than converting to sunni Islam.
This reddit was suggested as a place for ex ahmadis who come to sunni Islam but it seems pretty inactive. Just wondered if we can get this reddit moving again.
The "ex muslim ahmadi" group seems more active but you can't have any decent conversation there with a heavy handed admin who complains about every comment and thread you post as a muslim
09:23 UTC
Next Khalifa ?
Can u mention some names, like who are potential candidates/ or being groomed ?
05:28 UTC
How do you marry?
Hi everyone, as someone who can't fully leave the jamat cause of family reasons, how would you go about marrying another closeted ex ahamdi?
20:33 UTC
History repeats itself
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Would like to speak to an ex ahamdi preferably from the Uk
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13:20 UTC
Anyone from Germany here?
Anyone from Germany here? What is your story?
00:23 UTC
Article on Early Ahmadiyya in the United States
This article details some of the issues surrounding the early Ahmadiyya community in Cleveland (and notable Wali Akram) and their missionary, Muhammad Yusuf Khan. Information has been gathered from the works of Robert Dannin.
14:33 UTC
Jamaat and boycotting
Just curious if anyone has experience with the jamaat expecting them to boycott anything on command and what, if any, consequences there were if you didn't comply.
What and why was the boycott expected?
14:39 UTC
Looking for ExAhmadi/Agnostic Rishta
Update: Still looking.
Hi , This is my second time posting on Reddit. Im 29F from Pakistan , I’m post grad. I belong to Ahmadi family but I do not follow it, i am agnostic. Im looking for someone who belongs to Ahmadi family but shares similar beliefs/values like mine. My preference is someone living in the states because my parents are there. Must be Educated (Atleast bachelors) and financially stable.it’s hard to find someone within the community who is open minded & non religious. Can’t do outside jamat because of family. I am open to chat and will see how it goes.
19:30 UTC
Misleading reliance on Shia Hadith (Bihar ul Anwar)
Using a throwaway account for sanity sake and dislike of reddit.
Ahmadi missionaries have historically tried to grasp at any straws from Shia, Sikh, Buddhist and other traditions in an attempt to validate MGA. Anything that would remotely work in their attempt to shoehorn MGA into the fulfillment of a hadith gets brought front and center however even an elementary level of reading would show their disingenuous "scholarly" work.One such case is there reliance of other faith group texts is their over reliance on the Shia Hadith collection Biharul Anwar (Bihar al-Anwar) compiled by Shia scholar Mohammad-Baqer Majlesi.
In the October 1987 edition of Review of Religions, they spent a great deal of time praising and highlighting Shia Hadith under the "IRAN AWAITS IMAM MAHDI" subsection in the edition. Therein lies the problem as they try to appeal to Shia hadith tradition by manipulating and omitting hadiths to drive their aims.
| Blunder Counter | Ahmadi Reference | Biharul Anwar Reference | Commentary |
|---|---|---|---|
| # 1 | The Mahdi will remain alive for 19 years after his claim to be the Mahdi. (Review of Religions, October 1987 Pg 35-36) | "I heard Abu Ja'far Baqir (a.s.) say: "By Allah, a man from us, Ahlul Bayt, will rule for three hundred and thirteen years and then for other nine years." I asked him: "When will that be?" He said: "After the death of the Qaim (a.s.)-" I said: "How long will the Qaim rule until he dies?" He said: "It will be nineteen years since his rising until the day of his death. (Biharul Anwar Part 2 Pg 192) | The Ahmadis say this time started in 1889, when MGA founded the movement in an attempt to get to 19 years. The hadith however, clearly states that the timer starts when the initial claim happened. MGA claimed to be Mahdi around 1891/1892 which would mean he only remained alive for 16-17 years. |
| # 2 | The Mahdi will have a double name. One will be Ghulam and the other Ahmad and still another Mahmud and he will also be called Isa (Jesus) Masih. (Review of Religions, October 1987 Pg 35) | “Allah has named the Mahdi, al-Mansur as He has named Ahmad, Muhammad, and Mahmud, and as He has named Isa Masih.” (Biharul Anwar Part 1 Pg 54) | Clear cut manipulation by changing the names of Ahmad, Muhammad and al-Mansur to fit their narrative. |
| # 3 | Hazrat Imam Mahdi will be labelled as an apostate and most of the people will say: "We do not recognize you because you are not from among the progeny of Hazrat Fatima just as the idolators opposed the Holy Prophet". (Review of Religions, October 1987 Pg 33) | “This refers to his falsification of the Qaim from Aale Muhammad (a.s.) when he will say to him, ‘We do not know you and you are not from the progeny of Fatima’, as the polytheists said to Muhammad (a.s.).” (Biharul Anwar Part 1 Pg 99) | Nowhere in the hadith does it mention that the Imam Mahdi would be labelled an apostate, it simply states that the Mahdi will be from the descendants of Fatima, otherwise the ummah will not recognize him. |
| # 4 | Prior to the appearance of the Mahdi a meteor will rise. (Review of Religions, October 1987 Pg 33) | “The Mahdi is from my sons; his name is my name and his patronymic is my patronymic. He is, of all people, the most similar one to me in his appearance and his character. There will be an occultation and a wonder about him, so much so that people will go astray from their religion. At that time, he will come like a meteor of piercing brightness, and fill it with justice and equity as it will be full of oppression and tyranny.”(Biharul Anwar Part 1 Pg 114) “Behold, by Allah, your Mahdi will disappear from you until your ignorant individuals would say, ‘Allah does not have any need in Aale Muhammad (a.s.).’ Then he will come like a blazing meteor. He will fill the earth with justice and equity as it will be full of injustice and oppression.” (Biharul Anwar Part 1 Pg 178) | The Ahmadi's say this refers to an actual meteor that appeared in 1881. The Biharul Anwar does not mention a literal meteor appearing to signify the appearance of the Mahdi, only that he would come like a meteor and then fill the world with justice and equity. How has the Ahmadi Mahdi achieved this when only 6 years after his death, we had WW1 and 31 years later we had WW2? |
| # 5 | The essence of the Hadith is that our Mahdi will proclaim that whosoever wishes to see Adam, Shaith, Nuh, Ibrahim, Ismaiel, Musa, Isa and Mohammad Mustapha should see me because I am Adam, Shaith, Nuh, Ibrahim, Ismaiel, Musa, Isa and Mohammad Mustapha (peace be on them). (Review of Religions, October 1987 Pg 31) | And our master, Imam Qaim (a.s.) would be standing, resting his back to the Kaaba. And he will say: O people, whoever wants to see Adam and Sheeth, should know that I am Adam and Sheeth. And whoever wants to see Nuh and his son, Saam, should know that I am that same Nuh and Saam. And whoever wants to see Ibrahim and Ismail, should know that I am that same Ibrahim and Ismail. And whoever wants to see Musa and Yusha, should know that I am that same Musa and Yusha. And whoever wants to see Isa and Shamoun, should know that I am that same Isa and Shamoun. And whoever wants to see Muhammad (s.a.w.s.) and Amirul Momineen, should know that I am that same Muhammad and Amirul Momineen. And whoever wants to see Hasan and Husain, should know that I am that same Hasan and Husain. And whoever wants to see the Imams from the progeny of Husain, should know that I am those same purified Imams. Accept my call and gather near me as I would inform you about all that has been said and all that has not been said."Those of you who has read the heavenly books and divine scriptures should hear this: After that he would begin reciting those scriptures that were revealed on Prophet Adam and Prophet Sheeth and the community of Prophet Adam and Prophet Sheeth would listen to it and say: By Allah, these are the complete scriptures that he has shown us, which even we were unaware of and whatever had been concealed from or whatever that had been cancelled from them and that which had been interpolated and changed in them. After that he will he will recite the scriptures of Prophet Nuh and Ibrahim (a.s.); and the Taurat, Injeel and Zabur. The people of Taurat, Injeel and Zabur will say: Indeed, these are the scriptures of Prophet Nuh and Ibrahim and from which omissions and interpolations are made. By Allah, this is the complete Taurat, Injeel and Zabur, and it is better than whatever we used to recite so far. Then he will recite the Holy Quran and the Muslims will exclaim: By Allah, this is in fact is the Quran that the Almighty Allah revealed on Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s.) and some verses had been cancelled from it and interpolations had been done in this. (Biharul Anwar Part 2, Pg 299-300) | If Ahmadi's must use this hadith, they should take the full text which states that the Quran had verses cancelled in it that the Mahdi will reveal. The Mahdi will apparently also reveal missing parts of other scriptures aside from the Torah & Gospels. Finally the Mahdi will reveal hidden or missing verses from the Torah and Gospels. The Ahmadi's must accept that the Quran has missing verses, that there are other scriptures revealed that are not mentioned in the Quran and that MGA in fact achieved all this. Ahmadi's must also accept that MGA claimed to be Hussain, Hasan and the Imam's that are the progeny of Husain. I am sure we have all seen MGA downplaying the sacrifice and struggle of Hussain in Karbala. |
| # 6 | The Promised Mahdi will break the Cross i.e. he will refute and annihilate the creed of crucifixion by arguments against it.(Review of Religions, October 1987 Pg 35) | "By the one in whose control my life is, very soon Ibne Maryam would descend among you with command and justice, he would break the cross and kill the swine, he will abrogate Jizya and would be so generous that no one would remain needful.After that in the explanation of the above tradition, he writes: Breaking of the cross means that he would abrogate Christianity and 'command' implies that he would decide cases according to Islamic law.Killing of the swine means that he would declare its use in food and clothing as unlawful, because it is impure in essence and Isa (a.s.) would kill it in accordance with the command of religion as it is not allowed to waste something which is pure for use.His saying that he would abrogate Jizya means that he would convert all of them to Islam.Thus Abu Huraira has narrated from the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.s.) with regard to the descent of Isa (a.s.) that he said: During his time, except for Islam, all the religious groups would become extinct. Dajjal would be killed, and then Isa (a.s.) would remain alive for forty years. When he passes away, the Muslims would offer his funeral prayers.The statement of the Prophet that Imam Qaim would abrogate Jizya means that there would be excess of wealth at that time and it would be impossible to find any way for spending Jizya money. He will offer money, but no one would accept it.(Biharul Anwar Part 2, Pg 277) | While the explanations provided in the Shia text align to the general Ahmadi understanding of the text, it leaves a lot to be desired. Where did MGA convert everyone to Islam or Ahmadiyya? Where did he abbrogate Christianity? The Ahmadi's believe that MGA "carried out the campaign against the Cross and Christianity with such unprecedented zeal and enthusiasm that his contemporary scholars and people of renown confessed it loudly and publicly. " Instead of breaking the cross, the Ahmadi's are taking part in Christmas festivities in the UK, delivering presents and sending well wishes of the holiday season to their Christian counterparts. |
Sources:
Review of Religions, October 1987
https://www.reviewofreligions.org/wp-content/uploads/pdf/RR198710.pdf
Biharul Anwar Part 1 https://archive.org/details/62899227BiharAlAnwarVol515253ThePromisedMahdiEnglishTranslationPart1/mode/2up
Biharul Anwar Part 2 https://archive.org/details/BiharAlAnwarVol515253ThePromisedMahdiEnglishTranslationPart2/mode/2up
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Why did Mufi Muhammad Sadiq pretend like he wasn't a bigamist?
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Mufti Muhammad Sadiq wanted by police for Stealing a Man's wife in America
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Family of Caliph leave jamat
Assalam alaykum.
Saw this video. Looks like even the family of the caliph are leaving the jamat?
Are we seeing big numbers leaving the jamat?
I'm trying to figure out how big Ahmadiyya community is worldwide, and if its growing or shrinking.
Still not exactly sure. But if even the caliphs family are leaving and I see all these people on reddit leaving then it appears like it's crumbling
21:45 UTC
Sadat Anwar on "Love for All, Hatred for None" slogan
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Missionaries caught lying blatantly
It Ahmadiyya Subreddit doesn’t allow any videos, and now I see why! Why have we been told that lying is Shirk which is an unforgivable sin, when Ahmadi Missionaries lie without a second though about trivial matters while regular members get excommunicated over Aloo Ghosht?!
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Ahmadis need permission to debate
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Mirza Masroor's Brother-in-Law Exposesed
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Ahmadi poorly represents his jamaat at speakers corner
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Eid Mubarak
Eid Mubarak everyone! I hope you all have fun plans.
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