Guys the Bell riots happen this year

I just want to say, I am so thankful DS9 and its community exists. It gives me strength in a time in my life where I need it, it inspires me to create, and it’s definitely changed something in me. Thankfully, for the better.

I normally struggle to watch TV. Lately, I struggle to enjoy anything at all. Writing is daunting, even though it’s my favorite thing to do. I am at one of the lowest points of my life, and yet…

DS9 and its awesome community keep me going. I love all the memories around the show my fiancé and I have created, I love the fact that unbeknownst to me one of my best friends is (aaaaalmost!) equally obsessed! I love the people here, the memes, the insights, the dialogue.

You all give me hope that I can improve, and even in darkness there is light. I can’t give up yet. Thank you all for being you!

Please, someone, tell me what one of your favorite aspects of the show is. Anything at all. I would LOVE to hear what you have to say!

They all got up from behind the couch looking exactly like three people that had gotten down the night before.

I'm on my 4th or 5th re-watch of DS9, and I just have to say that this is such an underrated episode.

For one thing, it comes right after 'Duet', which is not only S1's best episode overall, but one of the Top 10 best episodes in the series IMHO.

Aside from that, though, it's also a S1 episode, and for better or worse most of S1 seems to be ignored, or at best assumed to be very average compared to the rest of the show.

Yet watching this episode again, I have to say that it is remarkably well done. The mystery does not feel contrived, and all of the performances (yes, even Keiko) are so well done. As someone who grew up in the American South in a very religious home, but now identifies as agnostic, I was particularly moved by the story.

And while the side of 'Science' is certainly presented as the good guys here, DS9 once again does an excellent job not totally minimizing or deriding faith or people of faith, but instead pointing out that it's people who take advantage of faith to justify their own ends or advance themselves that are to blame. As frustrated as I can sometimes be with Kira (mainly because I know and love so many people just like her*), I also think the episode really presents her faith three-dimmensionally.

I had also forgotten that this was Winn's first ever appearance, but it might be her best. She is somehow so menacing despite never actually saying or doing anything 'wrong' that we see. I wonder if she was always planned to be a long-term character, or if this performance earned her more screen-time. She certainly deserved it.

Overall, this is an incredible way to end S1 and bookend what began with 'Emissary'. Don't sleep on Season 1!

*People who share a similar level of faith, not people who are former terrorists

In episode 4x26, “Broken Link”, Odo gets turned into a human by the founders as a punishment for being the first Changeling to ever harm another. When he is washed up onto the shore, Bashir quickly scans him with his tricorder and finds that he is now human, with Bashir detecting “a heart, lungs, and digestive system.” However, it has been a major plot point throughout the entire series that Changelings CAN’T be distinguished from humans with a routine scan. It always requires a blood test, or later a special particle field that harms Changelings. Am I missing something here or was this an oversight?

I'm sure this conversation has been had a million times. So, for the million and 1st time:

I was just sitting around thinking, they remastered TOS wayyyyyy after DS9 ended. So they could have inserted the DS9 characters into the background of the original episode. The ultimate ret-con!

Barring that, they could have made two versions of the episode, the original remastered and then as a special feature on the disc, the time travel compliant version. It wouldn't be very much more work to make two versions since we're just talking about digitally inserted extras into the background.

That would have been neat. When the DS9 remaster finally drops, we might be able to DIY it ourselves in iMovie.

I have always thought, "THIS is extra large? This is 3 deciliters at best..."

Or is it just me, who thinks "EXTRA large" should be more than half a liter? But really, if 3dl is the extra large, how big is the medium? Or the small size? A half-a-dl? :D

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Prune juice, extra medium.

My 15 yo son loves nothing more than DS9, I would like to get him some of the comic books.

I've seen Star Trek: Defiant and another just called Star Trek. Does anyone know if they two titles are related? IsDefiant before the other?

TIA--I've been trying to google it, but have been flummoxed.

I'm watching S5E14 In Purgatory's Shadow, and Garak makes a speech to Worf arguing for why they should risk going through a nebula and potentially encountering Jem Hadar warships that is more persuasive than any closing argument to the jury that I've ever heard. He shouldn't be a simple tailor, he should be a Saul Goodman sort of lawyer on DS9. He could be on retainer for Quark.

I mean, he's a consummate liar, and that's the primary qualification to be an attorney.

I (M/45) am re-watching DS9 and I’m absolutely LOVING how my feelings towards certain aspects of the show have changed as I’ve matured. Namely:

1. Quark used really annoy me but now he’s one of my favourite characters
2. The interplay between Garek and Bashir is sublime
3. The Defiant is visually really shit (I get it was supposed to be a bare bones ship, but still)
4. I’m much more aware of the parallels between some of the storylines then and the far-right movements, genocide and occupation seen today.
5. I always thought Bashir was cute hot but now realised bald Sisko is HOT HOT.

I personally think DS9’s absolute focus on plot and character development is why it has aged the best of all the Treks. It’s such a pleasure to watch.

Such a great episode! It deals with the themes of parenthood, children’s resentments towards their parents, loss and redemption with both pathos and humor. The episode’s ending is equally sad and joyful. Rene Echevarria really wrote a great script, I think he’s underrated as a Star Trek writer.

Couple of thoughts

Quark sells the baby changeling to Odo for only a few strips of latinum though he would have surely realized its value would be far higher. It’s a subtle clue to his decidedly unFerengi-like tendency to show kindness to his friends where money is involved.

I thought the way Odo’s desire to raise the Changeling child in a more loving way than he experienced got turned on its head when he came to realize that his own “father”, Dr. Mora, was only doing what was ultimately best for him was brilliant and thought provoking.

I love the comedic scenes with O’Brien and Shakaar, Miles banging his symbol to show his displeasure at Shakaar’s tardiness, how they tug-a-war over Kira when it’s time to give birth and then them both jockeying for position between her legs is hilarious!

And the ending. It’s still an emotional watch for me. The forgiveness of Mora by Odo and of Odo by the Great Link via the Changeling child is really moving. Just a brilliant episode in one of the best seasons in all of trek.

One last interesting thing I noticed was, this episode seems to confront the idea first explored back in the TNG episode “The Offspring”: does Star Fleet own the children of its officers? Sisko approaches Odo and informs him that, unless he begins to make significant progress with the baby Changeling, Star Fleet will have to “take over”. Now, that Next Generation episode dealt with Data, but Data had already been declared legally sentient. This time it’s Odo, who is undoubtedly sentient. But, not only that, Odo isn’t even a Star Fleet officer. And, even if he were, does the Federation government own everything and the individual nothing? Or even if the baby Changeling were considered a “thing” rather than a sentient being, Odo bought it. So it’s his property. Now, I think Rene Echevarria knew what he was doing because he has Sisko tell Odo about Star Fleet’s ultimatum right after Dr. Mora explains how he himself was under immense pressure from the Cardassians to show results vis a vis Odo. That can’t be a coincidence.

I’m newish to this sub, so I’m going to assume it’s been talked about before, but does anyone else get the chills in this episode? From the cold open to the exquisite, piercing beautiful ending, it’s just a masterpiece in my mind. There are so many great episodes that have the same effect, like “The Visitor”, too. Just wanted to share my love of this with others who love this series.

Watched Duet this morning for the first time. Best Star Trek I've seen, period. Harris Yulin's file clerk was a great character and the man absolutely owned that role. His performance was magnificent. It was very, very good. Almost too good for Star Trek, if I'm being honest. I mean the episode was good overall, but that man's acting was the cherry on top. Great stuff.

Then after dinner I put on Harrison Ford's Clear and Present Danger and what do you know, there's Harris Yulin again. Small world. Relatively small role this time though.

That's it. That's the post. You can get on with your day now thanks for watching.

e: jfc I did fuck up that title didn't I

I hope to god that it’s worth it

But the first season is not that great

Raktajino mug from Highwave in Deep Space Purple! Super stoked about these LOL

Wondering why there was the Maquis storyline? It didn't do much for the overall story and it makes the Federation look kind of bad. Thoughts?

Given that DS9 was analogous to shows like The Rifleman and Gunsmoke featuring a town or trading post on the edge of the frontier, I wish they had done a fun western episode. They could have gone the route of a main character’s dream, similar to Far Beyond the Stars, or a classic holodeck malfunction of one of Miles and Julian’s role-playing programs.

Quark of course plays the town’s saloon owner, Odo the town Sheriff, Bashir the town doc, perhaps Sisko as the town’s newly elected Mayor? Who else would have played what and what’s the episode’s plot?

I bought the episodes for the original Battlestar Galactica and was watching when to my surprise I recognized a voice.

I'm Season 1 (the only season) Episode 21 "Experiment In Terra" DeLanice appears helmeted so you can't see him but his voice is woke me out of almost falling asleep while watching asking "Is that Q?"

Have been rewatching, and out of all the characters I love to hate, Louise Fletcher did such a good job embodying the most punchable face in Star Trek.