Hi everyone, it's been a while since I watched Voyager, and I just watched season 1 of Star Trek Prodigy, and a reference to Counterpoint was made so I went and looked it up. In it the Brenari made it through the wormhole. Where did that wormhole go? Did Voyager go through it too? If not, why, if so, how did the Brenari make it to federation space with the distance?

Thanks!

So what rollercoasters around today do you think would still be maintained into the 24th century? Or do you think they would all be brand new ones. Also what other worlds might enjoy a rollercoaster?

I loved his performance in the episode "Prey". Hirogen vs Species 8472 scenes were epic.

Rest in Peace.

This is without a doubt one of the saddest, most nihilistic episodes in Star Trek history. The way the duplicate crew gets done dirty is absolute savagery on the part of the writers. It's a amazing episode. With that said...what the gell was duplicate Janeway thinking? She was like we're going to continue the course to earth...the fuck? You're not from Earth, at this point you know this it's confirmed, and she makes the cartoonishly idiotic decision to keep it pushing towards Earth.

Now I'm a Janeway stan and again, I know it was a duplicate, but this was just incomprehensibly dumb. Keep heading towards earth for what purpose? If the whole crew dies they aren't gunna make it home I can't see the sense in the decision and it doesn't seem like Janeway in the face of cold hard logic that they need to turn around.

Am I trippin?

You said:

was captain janeway wrong for killing tuvix

ChatGPT said:

The question of whether Captain Janeway was wrong for killing Tuvix is one of Star Trek: Voyager's most morally ambiguous and debated issues. Tuvix was created when a transporter accident fused Tuvok and Neelix into one individual, combining their traits and personalities into a single, unique being. Although Janeway ultimately decides to reverse the fusion to restore Tuvok and Neelix, her decision sparks significant ethical concerns.

Here are some major points on both sides of the argument:

Reasons Supporting Janeway’s Decision

1. Restoring Tuvok and Neelix's Lives: Janeway’s choice was largely motivated by loyalty to her crew. Tuvok and Neelix were essential, distinct members, and bringing them back restored the Voyager family to its original form.
2. Duty to Crew and Principles: Janeway sees her duty as captain to make decisions that honor her responsibility to each crew member. In her mind, she owes it to both Tuvok and Neelix to prioritize their existence over the unintended creation of Tuvix, even if it’s painful.
3. Consistency with Starfleet Values: Starfleet’s principles emphasize the importance of life and restoring individuals if possible. In this case, Tuvok and Neelix’s original lives could be restored, so Janeway chose to do so, even though it meant ending Tuvix’s life.

Reasons Opposing Janeway’s Decision

1. Tuvix’s Right to Exist: Tuvix was a fully realized, autonomous individual with his own identity and agency. Killing him to restore Tuvok and Neelix raises significant ethical questions about the value of his life and right to choose.
2. Violation of Starfleet's Principles: Starfleet values emphasize respecting sentient life forms, and Tuvix was very much a sentient being. Janeway’s decision arguably contradicts the very values Starfleet upholds.
3. Emotional Toll and Moral Responsibility: Janeway’s decision is portrayed as deeply burdensome, and some believe she may have overstepped her authority in making a choice with such permanent consequences.

Personal Perspectives

Janeway’s choice ultimately comes down to her interpretation of her role as a protector of her crew and a follower of Starfleet principles. While she prioritizes Tuvok and Neelix, the emotional and moral weight of ending Tuvix’s life continues to resonate with fans as one of Star Trek's most morally complex decisions.

It’s a powerful episode because it’s not a simple “right or wrong” answer; rather, it exposes the complexities of command decisions, personal loyalties, and the ethical dilemmas faced in extraordinary circumstances.

You said:

Do you have a stance on whether it was right or wrong

ChatGPT said:

Personally, I lean towards thinking Janeway was wrong in her decision to kill Tuvix, primarily because Tuvix was a fully autonomous and sentient being with his own right to life. From a moral perspective, it’s hard to justify ending the life of one sentient individual to restore two others, even if they were beloved members of the crew.

Janeway’s loyalty to Tuvok and Neelix, while understandable, feels like it leads her to a kind of moral shortcut. By prioritizing her crew as she knew it, she essentially erased Tuvix, who had developed unique relationships, emotions, and memories, and even begged for his life. Starfleet principles, which stress valuing life and protecting sentience, seem to conflict with her actions here.

However, I also recognize that Janeway’s position as captain meant facing impossible choices. Her decision aligns with her own values of loyalty and duty, and she felt responsible for undoing an accident that deprived Tuvok and Neelix of their lives. She likely saw it as the “right” choice for her crew overall, even if it contradicted the more abstract principles of individual rights.

So, while I think her choice was ultimately wrong from a moral and ethical standpoint, it’s a nuanced decision. The episode is compelling because Janeway’s actions can be both criticized and empathized with, as she operates in the space between duty and morality.

EDIT:

You said:

do you care to elaborate on how it was a moral shortcut?

ChatGPT said:

Certainly! When I say Janeway’s choice to kill Tuvix was a "moral shortcut," I mean that her decision bypassed a more complex ethical examination of Tuvix’s right to life in favor of a simpler, more familiar sense of loyalty to her crew.

Here’s how her decision fits this idea of a moral shortcut:

1. Defaulting to Loyalty Over Individual Rights: Janeway’s decision heavily relied on her loyalty to Tuvok and Neelix, whom she wanted to bring back for the sake of her crew’s original unity and stability. However, she sidesteps the hard question of Tuvix’s right to exist as a unique individual. By defaulting to the notion that restoring Tuvok and Neelix is inherently "right," she avoids fully grappling with what it means to end Tuvix’s life, a life that is just as real and valuable as those of his “parents.”
2. Simplifying Complex Identity and Autonomy: In deciding to un-create Tuvix, Janeway doesn’t truly address the unique identity that he developed. Tuvix wasn’t just a temporary fusion of Tuvok and Neelix but had formed his own consciousness, preferences, and relationships. By seeing him as an obstacle to returning Tuvok and Neelix rather than as an individual, she avoids dealing with the moral implications of ending a distinct life—a shortcut that lets her adhere to her sense of responsibility to her original crew without fully considering Tuvix’s autonomy.
3. Choosing Familiarity Over Uncertainty: Janeway’s choice represents a retreat to what she knows: the familiar crew dynamic and the two crew members she trusted. Acknowledging Tuvix as a permanent member of the crew would require significant adaptation and risk, introducing the uncertainty of a new relationship and potentially causing friction within the crew. By opting to restore Tuvok and Neelix, Janeway takes a path that minimizes disruption. This move avoids the longer, more complicated process of embracing Tuvix as a new entity, instead restoring the status quo, which she perceives as more manageable.
4. Neglecting Starfleet’s Ethical Standards: Starfleet’s core values include protecting life, respecting individuality, and avoiding harm wherever possible. In taking a shortcut to restore her crew’s composition, Janeway arguably prioritizes pragmatism over these values. Tuvix’s pleas for life clearly express his own consciousness and will to survive, yet Janeway’s decision bypasses Starfleet’s ethical emphasis on protecting sentient life—even in difficult situations like this one.

In taking the “shortcut,” Janeway’s decision is understandably human but sacrifices deeper ethical reflection in favor of an outcome that restores her comfort zone. This doesn’t make her decision heartless or easy, but it highlights the tension between her responsibilities as captain and the moral complexity of respecting all sentient life.

Rewatching VOY and just got to “Deadlocked”. I forgot how flipping good this episode is. The ending scene on the bridge always gives me goosebumps.

Totally forgot that HK and NW are copies of themselves from a different VOY though. I’m kind of surprised it was never referenced again in the series. Would have been interesting to see Kim’s character process that…

What are some other episodes that give you goosebumps or really emotionally effect you?

So it makes so much sense for Neelix to stay with the Talaxians on the asteroid. That said, the episode should have given more respect and/or assurances that Naomi Wildman would be ok. Her dad is still on earth (or somewhere alive in the alpha quadrant) so voyager had to keep her, but really no moment of closure except Naomi being a pre teen and saying “I’m good”??!!! No “I love you and will always be here etc” and maybe Tom and B’Elanna adopt or the captain till they get back to earth! I mean at least a conversation.

I get they had to wrap it up (bc they knew they were ending) but closure is important. Continuity is important especially in this genre. Just sayin’ thoughts?

OMG she is alive and I messed up but still. Not even a conversation scene. I got confused bc Samantha stopped being represented by any actress for a LONG time, but the point is the same. Naomi IS the most important person on voyager to Neelix. Just saying.

What if they pulled a Kirk era time travel maneuver around a sun in the delta quadrant to go back 75 years, then put the whole crew in suspended animation for the duration of the trip straight back to Earth? Alter the Doctor’s program to have him serve as captain/crew and put holo emitters in the necessary places.

That way the moment voyager gets flung off into the delta quadrant it would arrive back in the Alpha quadrant with its crew waking up from a 75 year long nap.

My wife was out of town on business. She comes home, asks me what I’ve been up to.

I stand up straight, push my shoulders back, and in a slightly condescending tone say,

“I regenerated, studied databases, and contemplated my existence.”

She rolls her eyes and says, “Ok Seven..” 😂😂

THE VOYAGER CONSPIRACY...

Star Trek Voyager - The Captain's Hand

Low tone chime

Captain Janeway, Viceroy of the Delta Quadrant: Come! Oh Lieutenant, how goes your investigation?

Starfleet Security Lieutenant Columbo: Good evening Captain. Hello Doctor. That's actually what I wanted to talk to you about Ma'am. Just one, or two questions have come up about the sabotage on Deck 15.

The Legend, the Doctor: Sabotage? I thought the Briefing said the explosion was an accident.

Columbo: Ah yes Sir, that was the verdict of Ship's Security after their initial investigation. But there can be doubt. The pattern of the explosions targeted very specific segments of the Computer Core. This was deliberate.

Janeway: You're saying that someone, or something took out parts of our Sensor logs?

Columbo: Yes Captain. That is what they tried to do.

The Doctor: Tried? You mean they failed?

Columbo: Yes Doctor. Whoever it was didn't know that Engineering was running a surprise Auxiliary systems drill at the time. Thus initiating a Main Computer boot up in Main Engineering.

Janeway: Meaning?

The Doctor: Meaning the primary systems and code and all operations were running on a separate system in Engineering at the time and would have transferred back to the main Core afterward. Quite simple really, just like reinitialising my Mobile transmitter.

Columbo: Quite so Doctor. You know Miss. Wildman said you're quite the genius. Not just a Doctor, but a real Thinker.

Doctor: Why thank you Lieutenant, you know I've always seen myself as something of a...

Janeway: I believe you had some questions Lieutenant.

Columbo: Ah yes ma'am. Where was I? [Sees a rare gemstone next to a first Edition hardcover book on the desk] Say, is that... well this very valuable isn't it? Gee I've never seen a real antique like that before.

Janeway: A family heirloom. You were saying?

Columbo: Yes Captain. I was saying there are just a couple of things that have popped up. Since whoever it was, was trying to remove data logs from within the specific cores in question. Astrometrics, General Supplies along with the Armoury have confirmed that a considerable proportion of their logs and their logs alone would have been wiped out. So whoever the culprit was, wanted those logs gone.

The Doctor: Very logical.

Columbo: I thought so too sir. So I went through those specific entries and let's just say there's a lot to sort through. Several years worth! I had the whole next few nights booked out just to do it. But you know something funny? Something immediately came up just minutes after I started. Coffee.

Janeway: Oh I'm terribly sorry Lieutenant, would you care for some?

Columbo: I'm fine ma'am, no I meant Coffee. The Cargo Bay logs showed what Voyager left Spacedock and Deep Space Nine with. And... well it's a little delicate Captain, but your name does show up on the Manifest. I just wondered why when we have ample Replicators aboard, and the mission schedule was for around two months, why you’d bring in so many stocks of Coffee for the Stores. Cargo Bay 5 was full of it. According to Mr. Neelix, er he's been very helpful, he did a thorough inventory of Cargo Bay 4 and 7 and confirmed some of the original stocks are still present and accounted for.

Janeway: Is that all it was? Oh that's easy to answer. Well I grew up with the maxim that you can never have too much Coffee. Besides, Captain’s prerogative and sometimes the Replicator just doesn’t do the aroma justice.

Columbo: Well that would explain that I guess. Makes sense... Stores did show Caviar, Coffee, Ceylon Tea, Italilan Cheese, I can definitely see why those who like their authentic food might keep some stored for special occasions, but the quantities are quite something. Quite a list… and when it comes to the Armoury...Gee that's funny.

Janeway: I beg your pardon?

Columbo: It's just, well.. and I confirmed this with Security Chief Tuvok as well... but Tricobalt devices weren't standard issue. And Crewman Elena mentioned that you personally requested these devices before we left Deep Space Nine.

Janeway: Voyager was one of Starfleet's latest prototypes. We were outfitted with many ground breaking new technologies. I thought that weapons be no exception.

Columbo: But that's just the thing Ma'am. You specifically requested Tricobalt torpedoes, but not Quantum torpedoes. In fact, you* openly declined the latter from Starfleet. Here, I know I wrote it down somewhere...where's that data pad... Gee my wife is always telling me to have a separate pocket for it, I'm always losing it, ah here it is yes.... Security logs, Captain Janeway requests Tricobalt torpedoes. Why not Quantum torpedoes?

Janeway: We were off on a rather routine mission Columbo. Quantum torpedoes are rather serious Starfleet weapons. Lieutenant, I know you're just doing your job. But I do have a ship to run. Is there a point to all this?

Columbo: It's just when People do something different, my mind just asks questions and well to be truthful Captain, it's my boss, Tuvok. He's very thorough. He won't settle for anything missing from a Report and you'd be doing me a tremendous favour if you could just clear one, or two things up.

Janeway: I thought I did.

Columbo: See, Tuvok tells me that when Quantum torpedoes are put onto Federation Starships, there has to be an official log on the Fleet's roster. Advanced intellectual property. But, it's not just the torpedoes Captain. No.. you see Seven of Nine, ah that's Miss. Hansen, you know the lady in your lab who...

Janeway: I know who she is Lieutenant.

Columbo: Ah yes ma'am. Well, she discovered data that the weapons you specifically requested caused a breakdown in... something called a..can't read my own hand writing.. ah yes.. a "subspace rupture" and that quote - a blue beam was detected by the ship's logs carrying away the Caretaker Array - end quote.

Janeway: That could have been anything Lieutenant.

Columbo: That's just the thing Ma'am. See did you also know that she and your Chief Engineer have concluded that the blue beam of that particular frequency could only come from a Starfleet ship. And as I understand it, we are the only Starfleet ship in the quadrant. I've also had the data analysed by our lab, and they've confirmed that.. let me see quote - the blue beam's origin can be in no doubt, originated from USS Voyager... The spectral analysis matches the Deflector dish from this ship. There's no other possible ship in the Galaxy that that beam could come from. So you see my point ma'am and my conundrum. How can the Voyager be detecting a blue beam coming from the Voyager? How could the ship be in two places at once?

Janeway: I'm afraid you have me stumped.

Columbo: You're not the only one Ma'am. There's also the Doctor's Emitter.

The Doctor: My emitter?

Columbo: Yes Doctor. A truly marvellous piece of technology. See that spectral analysis I mentioned, well, the lady from the lab also helped me scan for that and well, isn't it funny, but the signature matches the signatures of the material in your Emitter.

The Doctor: What does that mean?

Janeway: That your emitter originates from the same vessel that the Lieutenant's blue beam came from.

Columbo: Exactly right ma'am. I thought you would understand. So you see Captain, the Doctor's emitter definitely is advanced, but it's not from the future. No ma'am it's from this ship. It's been on this ship the whole time. A contingency for the future.

The Doctor: That's incredible. You're saying that someone was planning for the ship to be in the Delta Quadrant.

Columbo: It certainly looks that way Doctor.

[Sickbay to the Doctor. We have two patients who require your Assistance. Both just ate the Dish of the Day from the Mess Hall]

The Doctor: As always, I wish my suggestions to screen our Morale officer's special menu would be taken seriously. Excuse me Captain. Lieutenant. [Exits]

Janeway: You certainly seem to be uncovering many mysteries, or many coincidences Lieutenant, though I can't say quite what they all amount to.

Columbo: Isn't it all something? I tell you, this case is one of the strangest cases I've had in a long time. But don't you worry. I'll get to the bottom of it. You know me, I just keep digging until I find the answers. A bit like computer coding. I understand you were top in your class at the Academy. Anyway, here I am going on about Coffee and Beams, whilst yours is getting cold. I'll let you get back to your Coffee.

[Approaching the exit]

Columbo: Oh there's just one more thing Captain.

Janeway: (Sighs) Be brief, Lieutenant.

Columbo: It's my understanding that Tom Paris was released from StarFleet custody in order to help track down the Maquis ship.

Janeway: You're not suggesting Mr. Paris is responsible for the explosions?

Columbo: Oh no Ma'am. He had no motive. And he was with about 50 or so others in the Observation Deck at the time. Just trying to verify something. It was you who personally requested his transfer, is that correct?

Janeway: That's public knowledge Lieutenant.

Columbo: Yes Captain. It's just... here [showing data pad]. You can see the official transfer order here. Paris was chosen because of his knowledge of the area.

Janeway: That's correct.

Columbo: Well see that's the thing Ma'am. According to the Stardate, you requested his transfer formally 5 months before the Macquis ship even entered the Badlands. I checked with Commander Chakotay ma’am. He was a little reluctant to tell me and said I was barking up the wrong tree. I understand the two of you are very close…but... yes here it is, he confirmed that their ship was nowhere near the Badlands until that Stardate. And Commander Tuvok, who was an undercover operative at the time, confirmed the same thing. So you see how some might question, how did you know you'd need a navigator for the Badlands before you knew where you would be sent?

[Dramatic music]

LATER in the Mess Hall

Janeway: [enters] Mr. Neelix, I could really use some of that Rylothian Blend.

Neelix: Of course Captain. I take it your Coffee is still official evidence until further notice?

Janeway: Hopefully not for too long... I

Crewman Mitchell and another Security officer: Captain, the Senior staff have requested your presence in the Conference room.

Janeway: Excuse me?

Crewman Mitchell: Please, ma'am. I'm just following orders.

Janeway: Then, lead the way.

...

LATER in the Conference Room

Janeway: [Enters] What's going on? [Looking at Columbo]

[Commander Chakotay, Tuvok, the Doctor, Seven of Nine, Kim, Torres, Paris are seated with another 7 Starfleet crew seated at one end of the table. 3 security officers stand at the doorway. Lieutenant Columbo is standing near the Captain's chair]

Columbo: I'm afraid there's some unanswered questions ma'am.

Janeway: You're reaching at straws Lieutenant. When I assigned you to this investigation, you were meant to investigate the explosions, not go on a wild goose chase to goodness knows where. And how could you go along with this madness? [Looking at Chakotay and Tuvok]

Tuvok: Captain, this is an Independent Board of Inquiry. I too shared your doubts as to the logic of the Lieutenant's enquiries. However, the various pieces of evidence alongside Seven's discoveries in our own Logs... logs which were targeted in the sabotage. Ship's security and Logic dictates we must look into it.

[Janeway sits at the Captain's chair]

Commander Chakotay: Kathryn, I told the Lieutenant that there has to be an explanation. I didn't want to go along with this, but when we started out here we promised we'd stick to the principles of the Federation. Starfleet protocols have to be followed. And there are things that just don't make sense. I can't explain them! Help me believe that there isn't some sort of conspiracy going on here!

Janeway: Stocks of Coffee?

Columbo: The Tricobalt torpedoes.

Seven of Nine: And the blue beam.

Ensign Kim: Are we really suggesting that there was a conspiracy to bring us all here, to the Delta Quadrant, that the Captain knew about this, and it was us who stole the Caretaker's reactor? And we have no knowledge of any of this?

Seven: We may not have stolen it yet Ensign.

Paris: You're saying we're going to? In the future? But how can that be, the Logs are from the past!!

Janeway: You don't know what you're doing Lieutenant. See what you've done. You've got my crew fighting each other! All of you. I can't tell you what's going on, nor why I can't tell you right now, but one day you will understand. This enquiry is over. [Gets up]

Crewmen: Captain, this is an independent Board. You have no jurisdiction here.

Janeway: This is a witch hunt. And I will not have it aboard my ship.

[Chakotay and Tuvok exchange glances]

Tuvok: Sergeant of the Guard, restrain the Captain and return her to the Witness chair.

[Security officers step into her path]

Janeway: Your orders are to escort Lieutenant Columbo to his quarters and confine him there until further notice.

Columbo: Before you do that Captain, there's just one more thing Ma'am. See I checked the Pathfinder Voyager communication logs. The communication correspondence with former Admiral Pressman's office was verified.

Janeway: Former?

Columbo: Yes Ma'am. I know you were just following orders. The Admiral was removed from command by Captain Picard following an incident on the Enterprise. After the discovery of an off the books Phased Cloaking device. He was taken into custody by the Judicial Department.

Torres: A phased cloak?

Seven: The blue beam...

Inktober is a drawing challenge where people create an ink drawing every day in October, using a suggested prompt for that day. One of the words this year was Trek so, of course, I had to draw Voyager

Just watching S01E04 - Phage.

Motura says that the Phage has ravaged their race for two millennia. Then he says that he was a sculptor of note on his world.

How? How is it possible the Vidiians can even contemplate pursuits like sculpting. For two thousand years they're all constantly battling with the Phage.

Unless the Phage has only just conquered the entire race in his lifetime and they held it at bay before that.

I dunno. Random Voyager thing that always bugged me.

I am relatively late to the Star Trek "party". I loved TOS (it used to play on repeat here in the UK in the early 00s when I was growing up), and recently watched the whole of TNG. I started watching DS9 on the recommendation of my friends as they saw it as being the "best" of the Star Trek shows. Debatable, but it's certainly a good watch.

I started watching Voyager recently, and struggled to get into it. That was until I was off sick for a while and picked up a copy of The Escape by Dean Wesley Smith & Kristine Kathryn Rusch on a whim. I read it cover to cover in just a couple of days and - while it's hardly Shakespeare - I really enjoyed it. I'm now 6 books into the Voyager novel series - and have the rest of them sat on my bookshelf, ready for some quiet reading over winter.

The books I've read so far have made me really appreciate Voyager as a show, and I'm now rattling through episodes on Netflix. I'm enjoying it far more than I used to and - dare I say it - about as much as I enjoyed TNG.

If you haven't read the novels already, I really recommend giving them a go - you can pick them up very cheaply second-hand on ebay and elsewhere.

For the folks out there who've read the novels - which ones stand out to you as particularly good (or bad!) ?

Please note - Spoilers ahead.

Firstly, I really love Star Trek Voyager. A wonderful show. The pilot, many episodes throughout the seasons, the brilliant cast, some fantastic episodes not just of Voyager, but Star Trek in general (e.g. Blink of an Eye), great special effects, beautiful musical soundtrack and super characters along with an interesting premise of a ship and her crew trying to get back home whilst keeping their Federation morality.

I just felt a little confused as to why the series finale just suddenly ended abruptly as if it was just a regular episode, rather than a more rounded wholesome story to show us them reuniting with family, or TNG's zooming out of the ship on a happy note. And/or showing us the majestic shot of the Voyager flying in the skies of Earth at the beginning of the finale.

I also personally would have preferred if Janeway had ended up with Chakotay (given the build up) and Seven had ended up with Ensign Kim. Given you had a happy ending for characters like Torres and Paris. I'd also love to have seen the Doctor meeting Data and playing a round of golf, or a bemused Janeway and Picard observing the two having endless "small talk" (similar to Data with a Starfleet Captain in an episode of TNG).

Just a suggestion which I thought might have been a good idea for the Finale. Taking a concept/story point from the episode The Voyager Conspiracy into the Finale itself to get them home and provide a reason for what the ship's sensors did detect (and which the crew could not explain).

The Finale could have had the Borg use the same type of time travel attempt we see in the film "First Contact" to seize (and assimilate) the Caretaker technology and devise some new form of space travel that could take an entire Borg fleet within minutes directly to Earth to overwhelm Starfleet. Rather than any future Janeway coming back in time, you keep the story as a self fulfilled time travel story (similar to The Voyage Home, or First Contact) where events always happened. The Borg are trying to replicate how the USS Voyager got to the Delta quadrant in the first place.

Voyager could have come across this Borg hub after detecting similar technology to the Caretaker Array (minus the Reactor). Detected the Borg opening up a vortex back to the point before the destruction of the Array. And ultimately Voyager makes the decision to stop them, at the potential cost of having to travel all the way back to the start of their journey and in time (it is unknown at this point if they can travel back to the present day). Defeat the Borg, make it back to the present day to the Borg Hub and then have saved the critical element of the Caretaker Array (the Reactor) with Voyager THEMSELVES grabbing the Caretaker reactor (cloaking Voyager using the Borg's own technology or plan and grabbing the reactor). They could then destroy the Borg Hub after the Borg steal it from them again (create a trap that both sides spring on each other like in similar stories in the series) and destroy the entire Hub at the same time as travelling back home to within sighting of Earth thus maintaining the timeline, and having a happy ending on Earth. Add in Janeway saving a Seven who tries to sacrifice herself for the crew.

You can utiise the blue beam detected by Voyager's Sensor logs in The Voyager Conspiracy at the original Caretaker array. That always happened. It's Clearly in the Sensor logs, though there was insufficient data to ascertain what, or who it was. No one in the Conspiracy episode could explain it. The explanation can be that it is Voyager itself (after future Voyager acquires the Reactor by stopping the Borg and using Borg technology to conceal herself from the past Voyager or Kazon from the past) tractoring the Reactor away from the explosion and back into the Time vortex to the present day.

You could utilise the same opening scene for the Finale of Voyager returning and the Celebration party, except everyone lives (shouldn't have any main character dying, nor change the timeline). This time show them meeting/celebrating with loved ones and the whole 30 years later angle.

Voyager uses a Caretaker wave to make it home

Maybe end with Admiral Janeway touring the bridge of the new USS Voyager B at the space dock above Earth which does a celebratory swing by Jupiter, and fade to credits with the music as Janeway says "Set a course. For home."

Might be cheesy, but I felt it would have felt more complete and a cohesive story that utilised the whole blue tractor beam. And you'd still have the Borg element that the writers wanted as well. Without the "breaking/changing events" of having future characters coming back in time and destroying their own timeline.

So have an actual Time travel story where events always happened this way. Like in First Contact. Not changing history, but being part of established events. The original Caretake array gets Voyager home to complete the whole story. And show us the arrival and reunion with families.

Janeway ending up with Chakotay. Seven ending up with Harry. B'elanna with Paris. One of the next generation (like the latter's child, or Icheb) perhaps getting assigned to the next Voyager when they grow up. 

At the celebration at end, have Barclay part of the Voyager family. Cameo of Data appearing to duet with the Doctor and them talking small talk non stop.

Just an idea anyhow.

Borg message: "We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. We will take your distinctiveness and make it our own. We will take away your Coffee..."

Janeway: "I don't think so. Prepare for ramming speed!"

As promised, here's the technical guide I mentioned in another post.

I'll try to get around to the other booklet this week.

Link

Share as you wish, there are a few versions out there already - not sure if this one has been shared or not.

Spotted our good doctor in a John Hamm flick. “Confess, Fletch”

I was rewatching and got confused.

So i this epsiode sevens mind is being overwhelmed and taken over by the people she assimilated.

Largely these alternate personalities have no idea there nit even in the wrong body and aren't aware of the others.

Except one, right before tuvok started the meld, one (I'm guessing vulcan) told him he was one mind confronting thousands.

So basically my question is why only this mind was aware of what was going on?

I just started my rewatch and for whatever reeason I am wondering if anyone knows how many actual crew members we see on the ship going by the extras and guest stars. I know they mention up to 150 on the ship give or take over the years but I just was wondering how many distinct characters we actually see over the course of the show.

TL;DR: What are accurate or fun terms for the surviving version of duplicates which die, such as Harry Kim and Naomi Wildman?

Besides a fine human being and "an ensign so good we can't possibly promote him" what do we call Harry Kim after Deadlock? Naomi Wildman, for that matter, obviously, she's just not human or ensign, so that ruined the bit.

On the surface, they would be identical after the split until things start changing. If not for level 5 sh*tstorm caused by two objects occupying the same point in space, they would essentially have been the same character and person. Except now, one Harry Kim is a floating frozen in the Delta Quadrant... truly forever an ensign.

Do you think others see him as the other Harry? #Not my Harry Kim? 🤔
Does he feel different; like he's not their original Harry? Or is he the Original?
Is he different? and aren't we all?
Does he think this Voyager is the copy?
Deep thoughts, I wanna hear them!

We have terms like "transporter clone" or "alternate version" or boring old "copy." Is there a word I'm missing for this kind of situation?

Duplicate? Replacement? 🤔
Haven't thought of one that feels this specific. Surviving Duplicate, is technically correct, but boring.

Farscape had a similar concept at some point and it was handled well there too. I like the equal copy concept quite a bit.

Anyway. Leaving this here. 🫡🖖

context of episode, if needed:

In Deadlock (episode), one Harry Kim dies on their version of Voyager after it is split into two, equal, and initially parallel copies. Sci-fi ensues and on ship is damaged severely, losing lives, and the other Voyager, otherwise unharmed, must sacrifice itself to save their wounded copy.

So.. the surviving Kim nopes out and yeets Naomi Wildman over to what is now his "McDonalds at Home" version of Voyager. His friends and new crew heroically sacrifice themselves. Survivors are demoralized, and the wreck of Voyager begins to limp back home... never to speak of this tragedy again.
(right? was this brought up again?)

https://youtu.be/IlpMNtAPxUo?si=S97nY0m3bIWa3uLT

It has my mom's favorite episode and we lost the disk years ago. I cant seem to find it on ebay or anywhere. Is there a place I can contact about replacement disks or should I just rebuy the whole season?