And what kinds of people are in them, how do they find each other, are they among us now???

Even when he finally gave investigators the locations of some of the bodies, he never really gave a straight answer on the specific way many of the women were killed - and he pretty much completely avoided talking about the sexual element of their deaths. I was surprised he was forthcoming enough to say that Debbie Kent was alive at his apartment for twelve hours before he killed her and kept her there for another twelve. But why did he keep her alive so much longer than his other victims, and what happened during those twelve hours?

Everybody into true crime is familiar with HH Holmes and his murder castle. But of course, it’s generally accepted today that it never really existed, at least not in the way we used to believe. Holmes did have a building, but its strange design came from constantly cycling through contractors so he could get away with not paying them. So no gas rooms and things like that to kill random visitors. But for decades it was reported on as absolute truth. Larson’s Devil in the White City presents the murder castle as factual, as does author Harold Schechter. But if this aspect of HH Holmes’ life was mostly fiction, where did these proper, professional authors get their info from with confidence of its reliability? I assume writers like that would typically look to reliable sources. I know a good amount of the murder castle legend came from yellow journalism and rumor, but wouldn’t there be at least some proper reporting to clue them in it wasn’t actually a real thing? It’s been over 100 years and we’re only just now acknowledging the reality of his crimes. So where did all this come from?

So I looking through all these cases about serial killers having tortured and killed so many innocent people and I never heard of a story(in reality) about a family member or a friend of a victim going out of their way to get revenge.

So I'm new to Bundy and of course I think one of the most fascinating things about serial killers for most people (including me) is the Why. Why are they like this? Naturally environmental factors - being the only ones we can fully observe or control - are highlighted a lot.

The first Bundy book I got was The Only Living Witness. True crime and especially serial killer stuff makes me nervous as there's so much sensationalist and just plain wrong crap out there. But as far as I could find out, this is a very respected and authoritative text on him.

It also says:

He was still a virgin, too, and might have remained so indefinitely if sex had required him to make the first move. However, one night while away from Seattle on campaign business he drank himself into a near stupor at a GOP official’s house in eastern Washington. When Ted drank, he often got drunk. That night, he had to be taken to someone’s home to sleep it off. As he remembers the night, he was installed in a downstairs bedroom, only semi-conscious, when the lady of the house gently crawled into bed beside him, stripped him of his clothes, and relieved him of his virginity. His role in the seduction was entirely passive.

Neither author seems particularly worried about this. It's stated and then the book moves on. Nothing even in the paragraph suggests any judgment about its possible significance, nor is there any condemnation for what this really was - rape. Bundy was raped by that woman. Calling it "seduction" is pretty odd. And if it had nothing to do with what he did later, fine, but still I oject to calling it seduction.

It does seem like I often see comments and analyses to this effect, so I wondered what people think/feel about it. I was thinking possibly both the good self and the serial killer/evil self are genuine, something like a split personality.

Maybe people think the serial killer self is the real self because there are so many hurdles to committing serial murder that to do it it really has to be an important part of your personality.

So i have one question. I am currently watching "Woman of The Hour" and i'm incredibly interested in the opening scene were he strangles his victim then uses mouth-to-mouth resuscitation on her then proceeds to kill her strangle her again. Now this was a shock to me because i actually have never heard of another killer doing this. My question is is this A. did this really happen? B. Do killers really do this?

I’ve watched that peacock documentary so many times and I’m still so confused why exactly Jeff couldn’t testify? I know the prosecutor explained it but I don’t know the full story to that anyone know?

Who are some unidentified serial killers that have been identified in later years.

Example: Long Island Serial Killer or the Original Night Stalker

& who are some you hope to get identified ? For me it’s definitely the zodiac, jack the ripper, highway of tears, the texarkana murders, & axeman (I know Jack is presumed to be Aaron Kosminski but not confirmed & the Zodiac has multiple suspects but none confirmed)

It’s crazy cause these people are either free living normally or died long ago just very eerie how the 1800- early 2000s experienced so much serial killing

Don't attack me but has it been mentioned before about why they didn't connect the murders to ADT security? Were most of the murder victims clients for ADT? Because i could be misremembering this. If I'm right why wouldn't they have noticed the pattern?

As the title says, I've noticed a lot of the cases I've read through and shown interest in have a consistent pattern of negligence in terms of the justice system. Many famous SK's had prior conviction(s) that should have easily lead to incarceration after repeat offenses. However, the amount of times they are released had a significant domino effect of more victims and killings. I don't see this discussed enough and my Google searching didn't provide a lot of information on this. (If you have some articles or forums with this as a point of discussion please share). This deeply upsets me as in my opinion it seems to a big undertone in a lot of cases and goes undetected or unfocused on in terms of causality. The killer always hold the blame but we cannot ignore how often their actions could have been stopped if law enforcement actually did their jobs. A few cases i can think of at this moment are Rodney alcala, Jeffery Dahmer, even Ed Kemper. There are more this is just from the top of my head. (If you have other examples please add, for further discussion!)

Paul Ogorzow, known as the S-Bahn Murderer, was a notorious German serial killer and rapist active during the Nazi era in Berlin from 1939 to 1941. His crimes occurred against the backdrop of World War II, a time when the city was under blackout conditions due to Allied bombing raids, which he exploited to target vulnerable women.

Paul Ogorzow was born on September 29, 1912, in Muntowen, East Prussia (now Muntowo, Poland). He was the illegitimate child of Marie Saga and was later adopted by Johann Ogorzow, a farmer. After his adoption, he took on his adoptive father's surname. Ogorzow's early life was marked by modest employment, including work as a laborer and later in a steel foundry, before he settled in Berlin where he worked for the Deutsche Reichsbahn, the national railway company, as a platelayer and assistant signalman.

Ogorzow's criminal activities began in earnest around 1939. He primarily targeted women traveling alone on the S-Bahn, Berlin's commuter rail system. The wartime blackouts provided him with cover, allowing him to commit his crimes without immediate detection. His modus operandi involved stalking women, attacking them, and often sexually assaulting them before murdering them. He escalated his violence over time, culminating in the horrific act of disposing of some victims' bodies by throwing them from moving trains.

Between 1939 and 1941, Ogorzow was responsible for the murders of at least eight women and was also linked to numerous assaults. His victims were often solitary housewives or women returning home from work, making them particularly vulnerable during the darkened streets of wartime Berlin.

Ogorzow was apprehended on July 12, 1941, after a thorough investigation led by Wilhelm Lüdtke, head of the Berlin police's serious crimes division. The police had been under pressure to solve the string of murders, which had instilled fear in the community. Following his arrest, Ogorzow confessed to the murders and was subsequently tried and convicted on multiple counts of murder, attempted murder, and assault.

He was sentenced to death and executed by guillotine on July 26, 1941, at Plötzensee Prison in Berlin. His case highlighted the challenges faced by law enforcement in Nazi Germany, where political pressures often complicated criminal investigations.

who are the most extreme torture killers in history?

I just realised many infamous serial killers all went to san Quentin around the same time (Manson, Ramirez, Bittaker etc). Have any of them meet each other/said something about each other? All I’ve seen was about Bundy being a “poopbutt”, I wonder if there’s more drama or even friendship.

I can't help but think it's somewhat wishful thinking because it's not like all therapy throughout history resembles modern therapy. Not to mention that the patient needs to put in the effort to change and reflect on themselves, going to therapy likely wouldn't be helpful to someone who thinks they don't need to change.

Helen Patricia Moore is a notorious figure in Australian criminal history, known for her involvement in a series of child murders in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Born in 1961, she became infamous as a babysitter who killed multiple children under her care, leading to her being labeled a serial killer.

Moore's criminal activities began in May 1979 when she was just 17 years old. During this time, she was babysitting her 16-month-old cousin, Suzanne Louise McIntosh, whom she suffocated. Initially, the death was attributed to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), but suspicions arose following subsequent incidents.

In January 1980, she attempted to suffocate another child, 12-month-old Nicholas Vaughan, but he survived, leading to further scrutiny of her actions. On February 1, 1980, she suffocated two-year-old Aaron William Crocker, who also survived but was left severely disabled. Tragically, on February 24, 1980, two-year-old Rachel Ann Hay died while in Moore's care, and in March of the same year, her seven-year-old brother, Peter John Moore, was found dead at the bottom of the stairs, prompting an investigation that would uncover the extent of her crimes.

Following the discovery of her brother's death, Helen Moore confessed to the murders of Peter and the other children. She was charged with multiple counts of murder and attempted murder. During her trial, it was revealed that she had expressed a desire to kill children, stating that after witnessing her brother's death, she saw no reason why other children should live.

In December 1980, Moore was sentenced to life in prison. However, her sentence was controversially reduced in 1992 to just under 14 years, and she was released on parole in 1993. This leniency sparked significant public outrage, particularly given the nature of her crimes and the young ages of her victims.

After her release, Helen Patricia Moore's life remained under scrutiny. Reports indicated that she had a child while on parole, which further fueled public concern about her ability to parent given her past. Her parole period ended in 2005, and since then, little has been publicly documented about her life.

Marie de Jesús González Valenzuela, born in 1924, is one of the infamous "Las Poquianchis," a group of four sisters who became notorious for their involvement in a large-scale prostitution ring and a series of brutal murders in Mexico. The González sisters, which included María Delfina, María del Carmen, and María Luisa, operated primarily in the 1950s and 1960s, and their criminal activities have left a dark mark on Mexican history.

Marie de Jesús was born in El Salto, Jalisco, Mexico, into a family marked by strict discipline and poverty. Her father, Isidro Torres, was a policeman known for his authoritarian demeanor. He imposed severe restrictions on his daughters, forbidding them from wearing makeup or socializing with boys. If they disobeyed, he would punish them by locking them in a cell at the police station. Following a violent incident where he killed a man during an argument, the family relocated to San Francisco del Rincón, where the sisters sought to escape their oppressive upbringing.

In an attempt to gain independence, the sisters opened a bar, but it failed to attract customers. Faced with financial difficulties, they turned to prostitution, which quickly became a lucrative business. They began operating out of the bar, and as their clientele grew, they expanded their operations throughout Jalisco, Guanajuato, and Querétaro, establishing a network that would become notorious for its brutality and exploitation.

The González sisters were not just involved in prostitution; they were also responsible for the systematic abuse and murder of many women. They recruited young women through deceptive advertisements promising jobs as maids, only to force them into prostitution. Many of these women were subjected to drug addiction, often being force-fed heroin or cocaine to keep them compliant and dependent.

As their business flourished, so did their ruthlessness. The sisters murdered women who became too ill, lost their attractiveness, or failed to satisfy their clients. They also killed customers who posed a financial threat, particularly those who arrived with large sums of cash. The bodies of their victims were buried on their property, and investigations later revealed that they had disposed of at least 91 bodies, although estimates suggest the total could be over 200. This led Guinness World Records to label them as the "most prolific murder partnership" in history.

The downfall of the González sisters began in January 1964 when a woman named Catalina Ortega reported their activities to the police. She described the sisters' establishment as a "concentration camp" for women, prompting an investigation. Police raided their property and uncovered the horrific evidence of their crimes, including the remains of numerous victims.

In 1964, the sisters were arrested and subsequently tried for their crimes. Each sister was sentenced to 40 years in prison. During their incarceration, María Delfina died in an accident, while María de Jesús and her other sisters faced various fates. María del Carmen died of cancer in prison, and María Luisa reportedly went mad, fearing retribution from angry citizens.

Marie de Jesús González Valenzuela passed away in 1990, but her life and crimes continue to be a point of fascination and horror in discussions about female serial killers and the broader implications of organized crime in Mexico. The González sisters' story serves as a stark illustration of how desperation and a quest for power can lead to unimaginable brutality.

Michael Swango, a notorious American serial killer and former physician, captivated the public with his unfathomable fascination with death and gore. Swango's descent into darkness and his disturbing obsession with violence manifested in his heinous crimes, leaving a trail of devastation and despair in his wake. His twisted desires and morbid curiosities painted a chilling portrait of a man consumed by the macabre and driven to commit unspeakable crimes against vernable individuals internationally.

While under the lense of scrutiny Swango fleed to Africa as a Missonary Doctor. While there it is believed Swango began experimenting with non medicinal chemicals. Caustic, and harmful bases. Swangos mind knew no bounds in what he might try to gratify his own sadism. He was never known to have a bedside manor like his personable colleges. In fact he was known to be more cold, and even sadistic. Confessing to his counterparts about how he relished in telling patients loved ones they were dead. So, this gave some insight into the level of his sadism, and where he was already at by the time he left for Africa.

It was never confirmed but people belive he has been killing patients since his internship. If this is true that means by the time he fleed from scrutiny here in the U.S his tolerance for what it took to gratify himself was pretty high. He began injecting these patients with these unidentified chemicals leaving them screaming, and writhing in pain. Saying dark cryptic things to them whilst injecting them .

This was his downfall in Africa. He was too brazen, and sloppy, so the nuns at the missionary found evidence, a syringe cap. Swango then hired an attorney, and before trial he fleed from Justice once again. This time back to the united states. He was later charged of 3 murders, though it was belived he killed as many as 60+. He was found guilty, and currently resides in Colorado ADX.

https://newsinfo.iu.edu/web/page/normal/7225.html

So I ran into this wondering why we hear less about serial killers now than we used to. It makes sense that the problem is still here but we don’t know because their victims are never found or their links are unknown because the deaths are not recorded as potential victims of serial killers or a single serial killer.

Westley Allan Dodd was an American serial killer and sex offender whose heinous crimes shocked the nation in the late 1980s. Born on July 3, 1961, in Toppenish, Washington, Dodd's early life was marked by emotional neglect and a troubled family environment. He was the eldest of three children, and while he claimed he was not abused, he later described his upbringing as lacking affection and filled with emotional turmoil, including witnessing violent fights between his parents.

Dodd's criminal behavior began in his teenage years when he started exposing himself to children in his neighborhood. By the age of 28, he escalated to more severe offenses, ultimately leading to the sexual assault and murder of three young boys in Vancouver, Washington, between September and November 1989. His victims included 10-year-old Lee Iseli, 11-year-old Johnny McGowan, and 11-year-old Cole McCarty. Dodd was apprehended after a failed attempt to abduct a six-year-old boy at a movie theater, which led police to investigate his background and connect him to the murders.

Dodd's crimes were characterized by their brutality and premeditation. He meticulously documented his actions in a diary, providing chilling insights into his psyche and motivations. After pleading guilty to multiple charges, including aggravated first-degree murder and child molestation, he was sentenced to death.

Dodd's execution on January 5, 1993, was notable for being the first legal hanging in the United States since 1965. His choice of execution method sparked significant controversy and legal challenges, including a lawsuit from the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) arguing that hanging constituted cruel and unusual punishment. However, the Washington Supreme Court upheld the execution, largely because Dodd himself opted for hanging over other methods.

On the day of his execution, a mix of supporters and protesters gathered outside the prison, reflecting the public's divided opinion on capital punishment and Dodd's crimes. His final moments were marked by media attention, with many outlets covering the historical context of hanging as a method of execution.

Dodd's case has been the subject of various media portrayals and analyses. His profile was featured in the PBS series "Frontline," and he was the inspiration for a character in the film "Insomnia." Several true crime books have been written about him, exploring the psychological aspects of his crimes and the societal implications of his actions.

Overall, Westley Allan Dodd's story is a grim reminder of the complexities of criminal behavior and the impact of childhood experiences on adult actions. His heinous acts and the subsequent legal proceedings surrounding his execution continue to resonate in discussions about crime, punishment, and the justice system in the United States.

I just watched "Woman of the Hour" on netflix. Wasn't as familiar with this serial killer as other American and European serial killers. Which I'm surprised by given how many victims this guy had and how twisted he was.

But I noticed in the film that he had photos of men he got to model for him and that he seemed interested in the character Mario in the film that he worked with, who was clearly meant to be a nervous young gay man in 1970s society. It's almost hinted he's into Mario. Complimenting his looks. There also appears to be a semi nude photo of Mario in the album.

Was there any photos of missing men in his collection? I know he was only convicted over a few women but is linked to 100+ possible disappearances. Is there any link to him and possible male victims?

Maybe a bi killer who also targeted men but it wasn't taken into account fully in the 70s/80s when society was still very homophobic.

So was that just a plot device for the film or what?

I've seen so many people argue back and forth on whether or not it would be accurate to call Dahmer a "charming and charismatic person" and I personally think it isn't and people who are saying that it is are driving me crazy. I think people confuse "charismatic" with being "friendly" and while Dahmer was perfectly capable of acting like a friendly, nice person, I don't think it would be apt to call him charismatic.

Because at the risk of sounding mean (who am I kidding, it's Dahmer, I don't have to be polite talking about him), I think a charismatic person would have . . . friends. Or at least a social circle that he regularly hung out with in public. But the thing is, I think the only people who knew him well (or at least thought they did) by the time he was arrested was his family. Yeah, maybe Dahmer had a couple of pleasant interactions with apartment neighbors and maybe he bought drinks for guys at bars but were that many people in Milwaukee personally devastated when they heard the news Dahmer was a serial killer?

If I were to define a charismatic person, I'd say someone like John Wayne Gacy. Someone who would actively put himself in the spotlight and in people's good graces, someone who tried to make himself memorable to his community. He was the guy who was throwing all the parties. I can't picture Dahmer being that kind of guy.

It wouldn't be super accurate to say that Gacy had a bunch of genuine friends either, since I think the only people who really cared about his execution by the end of it all was his family but at the very least, Gacy had a reputation and image that was perfectly crafted and there were people who enjoyed being seen with him in public (even if it was for self-serving reasons). Meanwhile, I'm not sure Dahmer had many non-family members who would actively seek out his presence prior to his arrest. I think it's perfectly fine to say that Dahmer was capable of acting like a harmless, nice guy but I don't think it's accurate to say he had a magnetic personality. At best, he's able to make himself super pitiful.

I just get kind of annoyed when people say that Dahmer's "good luck and charms" were vital to him luring in his victims. If that were the case, I don't think he would've needed to pay so many of them.

I think the lowest of the low I've ever seen are comments on YouTube from Jeffrey Dahmer fangirls "shipping" him with his defense attorney, Wendy Patrickus. Even saying that her leaning over his shoulder to whisper in his ear looks like her "giving him a quickie" from a certain angle. It was so gross and it made me feel so bad for Patrickus because this is a woman just trying to do her job and she's being sexualized like this.