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Don't take phenibut before you understand the risks and side effects

/r/phenibut is an off-shoot of /r/nootropics. This subreddit is for discussing functional and responsible phenibut use.

Posts and questions about quitting phenibut now belong in the stickied Quitting Phenibut Support Thread

Usage:

Standard dose: 250-500 mg taken one to three times per day, no more than twice per week.

Incrementally increasing your phenibut use is a surefire way to create serious problems for yourself. You will eventually become dependent, and if you're unlucky you could find yourself in a situation where you're unable to prevent nasty withdrawal symptoms. Enough people have already been down that road. Don't take more than 2 grams in a day, don't take phenibut more than 2 times per week.

If you're using powder, you'll need a milligram scale for accurate measurement.

Scoops are designed to transfer powder to the scale. If you use scoops alone it's easy to take 2X too much or too little, which will make anecdotes useless for yourself and others. And it will be more difficult to avoid dependence and withdrawals.

WARNING:

Not respecting phenibut can land you in phenibut hell. (Severe anxiety, panic, suicidal thoughts, psychotic behavior, seizures, nausea, vomiting, etc)

Phenibut Serious Adverse Events list

Going off phenibut cold turkey from a dependent state can cause severe and potentially life-threatening withdrawal symptoms.

Do not mix phenibut with alcohol. Tolerance fluctuates and what may have been safe one day may not be safe the next.

Unless you are already dependent, do not take more than 1500 mg in a single day and do not take more than 750 mg in a six hour period.

Phenibut has a long onset period, so you need to give it several hours to take effect. Wait at least 6 hours before redosing.

NOOFEN (phenibut) leaflet [pages [1], [2], [3]]

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/r/phenibut

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What's the heaviest dosage you were on??

Not looking for criticism, just wondering what's the max dosage long term users have taken?I have been on phenibut on off for 10 years 2021 to 2023 was on 200grams a week 2 st8 years.Ppl think I'm lying I had a lift mode package every Friday for that long withdrawals lasted about 3 months.

8 Comments
2024/11/01
01:18 UTC

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Extremely confused about the quality of phenibut from different brands

About two months ago, I first learned about phenibut and decided to try it. One of the first things I noticed was the large number of sources available to purchase phenibut, but for nearly every brand, there are at least a few people claiming it doesn't work. With that in mind, I’d like to share my experiences with four different products (all in HCI form) and explain my confusion after comparing them over the past few weeks.

Initially, I bought Revange phenibut from the bodyshock.pro website because it was the most available and affordable option. However, I was surprised to receive Neuro Amps phenibut instead. I'd heard that all products from that site are probably the same thing, so I decided to give it a try anyway. Additionally, when I opened the lid, the seal was slightly torn, which made me even more skeptical about the quality of this phenibut.

The method I used to try this phenibut (and all subsequent ones) was as follows: I took 1g (measured on a scale and put into capsules) on an empty stomach around 9-10 AM, followed by another 250 mg after 45 minutes. Then, I waited about two more hours and drank a Monster energy drink with some food. This method was suggested by another user in an older post. To my surprise, about 4-5 hours after the first 1g dose, I felt slightly euphoric and in a really great mood. Music sounded exceptionally good as well. It was nice, though not so intense that I’d feel instantly addicted to it. I also slept very well that night and experienced the afterglow many people mention the next day. I confirmed with user u/iSliz187, who said Neuro Amps is good, that we had the same expiration date on our container: 12/2026.

After reading about people who described phenibut as almost mind-blowing, I decided to try other brands. I bought Harmony Concept phenibut (from a different source than bodyshock.pro) because I read it was considered the best among the Revange/Hammerlabz/Neuro Amps group. I also bought phenibut from aniracetam.eu. The Harmony Concept arrived first, and I tried it exactly one week after using Neuro Amps. It had a very similar taste and consistency to Neuro Amps, and, interestingly, the seal was also slightly torn. The effects, however, were weaker than Neuro Amps - I didn’t feel the same enjoyment when listening to music and I didn't experience the afterglow the next day.

Two weeks later, I tried phenibut from aniracetam.eu. This one had a slightly different consistency, with very fine crystals and a distinct taste. Besides the usual sour and bitter flavor, it had a strange plastic-like aftertaste. I followed the same dosing method, and this time, after about 4-5 hours, I felt a similar good feeling as with Neuro Amps, but it only lasted around 2-3 hours before I became very sleepy and sedated.

Before trying aniracetam.eu phenibut, I had also ordered phenibut from Venogen to test next. Based on many posts in this subreddit, it seemed like Venogen was the best phenibut available nowadays, so I was really excited when it arrived (exactly one week after trying aniracetam.eu). Its taste was similar to Neuro Amps and Harmony Concept but more intense, and it had a similar fine crystal consistency as the aniracetam.eu one. Surprisingly, this phenibut was the most disappointing one I tried. Throughout the day and the next, I barely felt any effects - only my sleep was slightly better, as with the other phenibuts. This left me extremely confused because I’d expected Venogen to be the most potent, yet Neuro Amps, the sketchiest of them all, turned out to be the strongest for me.

I’m left wondering what’s going on. I plan to try Neuro Amps phenibut again in a few days to confirm if this could be a tolerance issue (although I always waited 1-2 weeks between uses) or if there’s something unusual with the other brands or batches. After my experience, I understand why there are so many conflicting reports on this subreddit about different phenibut brands.

1 Comment
2024/10/31
21:16 UTC

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I accidentally bought HCL vs FAA.

Should I cancel and get the other stuff?

18 Comments
2024/10/31
20:10 UTC

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Somatomax Withdrawls

Been taking Somatomax and had no idea about the phenibut till I did some research. Bought it at a local supplement store. Been taking for about 2 months about every day. Half scoop. Been more anxious then I have ever been. How long do withdrawals last? Been a couple of days. Not having trouble sleeping, just anxious.

4 Comments
2024/10/31
17:39 UTC

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I just did a little research and it seems almost everything sold within EU seems bunk...

Anyone who is not a shill had genuinely good quality phenibut from a EU vendor? If so which brand?

I scoured reddit and google. Pretty much all of the stuff is shady and sketchy bunk material.

47 Comments
2024/10/31
13:37 UTC

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BodyShock Pro for the strongest Phenibut I've had

500mg had me drunk like 1.5g

Super recommended

Hopefully none of you buy it so it won't run out

But I still have a duty to help

Nowadays after being treated with Lithium and Zyprexa can't take over 50mg without feeling bad effects. Feel all great with as little as 30mg though, feels like I am peaking on 1g. Thats just me though. Regardless, before the treatment I took 500mg and it was really strong compared to normal Phenibut, I was totally in a trance.

I tried Liftmode, NootopicsDepot, Intellimeds, Rawpowders, Russian Phenibut and Georgian Phenibut and phenibut FAA too forgot from who probably liftmode. None come close to sheer power. I am actually gonna take some now since gg even though I took like 10mg Valium 20mg Phenibut should be good and I sure would enjoy being a bit higher alongside my weed

Its EU only

Can help with shipment if you really want it.

No I am not a company representative, lol. Its just really so strong I can't say shit. And its not bad quality either, shit was the most bliss I've ever had at one moment with just 80-120mg, I realized possibilities are infinite because I never would have imagined that experience is possible with such low amounts of Phenibut. Crazy shit.

My context is the highest Samadhi so experience for you may vary. But even still, if this works on me like this, it should have some noticeable effect on anyone.

33 Comments
2024/10/31
11:26 UTC

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Which brand produced the best euphoric effects for you: Harmony Concept vs. Revange Nutitrion vs. Neuro Amps vs. Smart Brothers ?

Talking about HCL Phenibut here.

9 Comments
2024/10/31
11:04 UTC

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Are low doses 200-500 intoxing

I know it’s definitely a drug but will I beable to drive? Will my family or coworkers think I’m high?

19 Comments
2024/10/31
01:43 UTC

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Potency of f-phenibut compared to phenibut

Basically, I want to know the answer to the title - I've seen differing numbers thrown around, ranging from 4 times as much by weight to 7.

Does anyone have a definitive answer, ideally from an authoritative source, like published research, etc.?

If anyone can point me in the correct direction where that's concerned, I'd appreciate it. Thanks much in advance.

7 Comments
2024/10/30
22:45 UTC

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People with social anxiety who use Phenibut 1-2 times a week for months/years: Did it help you get more confident and socially adept over time when sober?

Please only those who stuck to 1-2 times a week, since 3 days per week could have meant you downregulated your GABA receptors by overuse. Also, be wary of counting of days after a Phenibut dose, since Phenibut stays in your system for a damn long time and might influence your experience the next day after a dose.

View Poll

10 Comments
2024/10/30
19:57 UTC

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NAC for Phenibut headache!

I don’t know about you guys, but when I take Phenibut (only on weekends), I dose in the morning, feel the effects after 4 hours, but by end of day I would get this awful headache in my forehead and behind my eyes and nose?

When I asked fellow redditors someone told me it’s because of glutamate. I know that NAC reduces glutamate so the last two weekends I took 2x 1200 mg capsules NAC at the same time I dosed my Phenibut (1-1.5g in capsules) and I did not develop a headache later in the day!

Just wanted to make this post in case anyone else suffers from the “Phenibut headache.”

6 Comments
2024/10/30
19:36 UTC

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Is F-Phenibut 100% cross-tolerant with phenibut? Is 20g actually equivalent to 100g of regular phenibut?

I can get 100g of phenibut for 65£ or 20g of F-Phenibut for 78£. Is it worth trying the f version? I have permanent tolerance even though I always take 4-6 months breaks after running out and I'm wondering if I might get some of the effects I don't get from regular phenibut?

7 Comments
2024/10/30
16:13 UTC

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1.5g once a week - too much?

I had long talks with an experienced friend and he says that 1,5g once a week with longer breaks like 10-14days from time to time is fine when taking phenibut.

For me when taking 1,5h the effect is really good and intense and even has a good afterglow effect the second day with no rebound anxiety the following days.

But still i have the impression 1x a week is too much , what you guys think?

33 Comments
2024/10/30
09:28 UTC

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I can feel I’m getting pulled back in - severe social anxiety

So three weeks ago after taking an 8 month break from having 250-500mg of Phenibut HCL daily to combat my severe social anxiety that has been resistant to over 15+ Pharma medications, Ketamine and therapy, it was the only thing that took the edge off it and enabled me to function in the outside world to a degree. I had shocking withdrawals coming off it, even at that dosage, and decided to have a long break.

After about two weeks off it I was back to normal but my anxiety never in the entire 8 months off it, not even drinking alcohol, taking 0 substances except my antidepressants, was just as bad as before taking Phenibut, depression just as bad, I finally had a gut full of it and tried 500mg three weeks ago and broke down in tears from the immense relief it gave me.

Well, last week, I took it three times. Suffered from a couple of bad rebounds as a result unfortunately, and after last week I told myself I’m only doing it once a week from now on. That failed…. It’s been three days since my last dose and today I took my first dose of F-Phenibut, only 50mg and I’m outside able to function not overthinking 24/7 which has been ruining my life since I was a child. Benzo’s don’t come close to this, they just make me depressed and zombified similar to SSRi’s.

I can tell I’m back on a slippery slope, this is hell because I genuinely don’t want to have to take it, I don’t take doses to get high, I want to take the LEAST amount as possible to keep my effing brain from constantly over analysing everything incessantly. It’s a constant battle, and even when I’m on it now I’m constantly waiting for withdrawal to hit. I just don’t know what to do anymore.

Has anybody noticed less withdrawal effects on f-Phenibut compared to regular Phenibut?

11 Comments
2024/10/30
04:53 UTC

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No effect after 3g

Yesterday me and my friend each took 3g of phenibut (pills) from next valley, before the club, aswell as some shots vodka (not alot cuz I thought the phenibut was gonna amplify it). We both took it on an empty stomach, with some energy drinks. After some time we both noticed a slightly euphoric feeling, but that was really it, no change of confidence whatsoever. Next morning I was still feeling a light buzz, but nothing unpleasant. Im honestly kinda disappointed, as I thought phenibut would be a healthier alternative to alcohol, but maybe we both just have a naturally high tolerance.

Should i increase the dose to 4-5 g the next time i go out, or could that potentially be dangerous?

22 Comments
2024/10/29
21:21 UTC

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Can I do phenibut twice in one week if I felt nothing the first time?

So I tried phenibut yesterday for the first time ever, started with 500mg, did 250 more a few hours later then did 500 more an hour after that. So 1,25mg in total. Absolutely no clear effect, if there was an effect it was nothing that I noticed. I had really high hopes so this was really disappointing, i had hoped it would mute my anxiety and maybe provide some Euphoria.

What I will do now is try again but this do it on an empty stomach and do all the 1g at once then maybe top off as needed. I heard its not a good idea to do it more than twice a week so I am a bit hesitant, but does this apply to me? Since i did not feel any effect?

29 Comments
2024/10/29
18:59 UTC

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Does anyone know if the Phenibut by Spectre Labs is legit?

14 Comments
2024/10/29
08:08 UTC

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Phenibut alternatives for work

It was good while it lasted, but the days of phenibut helping me function in my corporate job, are alas, no more.

Shipments are no longer getting through customs in New Zealand.

Would really appreciate any suggestions for nootropic alternatives that help anxiety but also don't sedate, so I can function at work.

My doctor doesn't seem willing to prescribe any of the traditional PRNs.

I am prescribed pregablin, one 25mg tablet at night. But I can't focus while on that, so can only take it at night.

Looking for options that will help me stay relatively calm during the workday, let me do my job and use my brain & not have panicky fear, nerves and moments of stuttering and shit in front of my stakeholders during meetings.

NB. I do practice healthy lifestyle habits as well. Exercise, good sleep, lots of water, intermittent fasting etc. But the social anxiety at work remains and phenibut is the only thing that has worked for me thus far.

42 Comments
2024/10/29
05:05 UTC

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Who's recently imported into Canada and how much and did customs give you any grief?

As far as I know, both domestic suppliers are out of stock or AFK, so I'm thinking of ordering from UK or Russia or some shit, but i don't know what a 90 day supply is. I had a phone call with Health Canada that said it would be defined by what is on the label, so capsules that say take 1 a day would be 90 capsules. (maybe someone should start making 1g caps that say take 1-5 a day lol) He said powders are a different story. The officer would have to do some internet research to find out what a 90 day supply of the powder would be and that sounds very subjective and I don't want to take any chances with CBSA. I also think this is why people have had a harder time bringing capsules in than powder - there's less certainty to what a 90 day supply would be. So what can I get away with? I'm thinking 100g tub should be fine but 200 would be nicer. or 100 500mg caps? There's a Russian supplier that has small quantities but they look pharmaceutical. Any advice?

Also, to get this info, I was told by health canada to call CBSA, then the opposite, then again, again, finally got through to someone with a brain.

8 Comments
2024/10/28
22:28 UTC

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aniracetam.eu phenibut

i took 600mg of aniracetam.eu phenibut on a full stomach and after about 2 hours a was feeling it in about 5 it peaked made me sleepy and overconfident said some really dumb shit but it works i think

32 Comments
2024/10/28
21:40 UTC

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What is the difference in the Venogen Phenibut

Between the Phenibut HCL large crystals vs small crystals? And the F Phenibut HCL and F Phenibut FAA? I want to make a purchase of one of each but I just notice price differences without knowing what the differences are. Thank you

8 Comments
2024/10/28
21:13 UTC

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Nausea

tolerance built up fast; now need 1.5 to feel anything. mixed with alcohol and now nausea. be careful

3 Comments
2024/10/27
16:26 UTC

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I'm prescribed pregabalin and have tried phenibut in the past, are there any other legal substances/supplements/nootropics or spices that produce similar effects that aren't alcohol? Just out of curiosity because it helps a ton with anxiety and depression.

11 Comments
2024/10/27
15:58 UTC

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600 mg no effect, but a pretty bad rebound

I tried 600-ish mg on thursday empty stomach. I didn’t feel any noticable effect that day. I kinda expected to feel a bit of something, but nope. However on saturday afternoon I started feeling a bit like a zombie and I feel the same today. I’m tired a bit of a bad mood, not really feeling like doing anything. Kinda bad for the first try to feel zero positive effects and eat up all the negative ones.

23 Comments
2024/10/27
15:31 UTC

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Phenibut with caffeine

Caffeine definitely increases the effects of phenibut. Makes it more euphoric. But, i noticed that if i take it with caffeine, effects hit faster, however last much shorter and rebound also feels way worse. Does it happen to you as well?

3 Comments
2024/10/27
15:14 UTC

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rawpowders.de

Has anyone from Germany ever ordered 4-fluorophenibut there? I would be interested to know what the legal situation is as far as importing is concerned. With Phenibut it is quite risky to order abroad as far as I know... (all related to Germany) Thank you in advance 😉

9 Comments
2024/10/27
13:50 UTC

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Do you have exp with that ?

Hey, im from germany. I have tried Phenibut HCL and FAA often. Now i ordered F-Phenibut (first time).

How it feels like ?

15 Comments
2024/10/27
11:52 UTC

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My mom loves phenibut.

She struggles with sleep, I've given her up to 1.2g in the past and she loved it. This time, it's the highest dose she's ever taken (1.7g).

I hope she'll sleep well and enjoy the phenibut magic :)

20 Comments
2024/10/27
11:28 UTC

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Just tried Phenibut FAA first time & Trip report with 3 other substances combined.

So I wanted to add something to my collection of medicinal and recreational substances and have herd phenibut mentioned a few times. Me be being a fan of the quoted affects decided to pull the plug and grab a 50ct of 300mg capsules.

So I took my first cap 300mg, around 3pm? I'd say maybe an hour or so later I started to feel relaxed, not like sedated but enough to give out a yawn, yet I wasn't tired. It felt very warm and glowy for the next few hours and felt a little more sociable, I'am already generally a happy, non-anxious person I just have a hobby in using variety of substances occasionally. I took another cap around 6pm and by 8pm I felt beyond relaxed but slightly stimulated at the same time but not like a stimulation of persay caffeine or any upper so Im guessing this oart of the nootropic side of it. Overall it felt like being on a very clean non anxious adderal but like very light dose of a benzo?

Soon after I decided hell why not try to mix some tiletamine (ketamine analogue) This turned out to be not a very synergistic combo and definitely destroyed alot of the magic that ketamine offers, it felt like the phenibut negated much of what I usually experience of ketamine, but it wasn't by any means unpleasant, just strange and detached. Decided I was done with expirementing and wanted to sleep wich i've been taking 2mg bromazolam a night for sleep and took my dose watched a movie and felt a heavy drowsiness , hypnotic state kick in that I couldn't resist then to go to sleep.

Conclusion. Phenibut is actually pretty awesome, I highly suggest not mixing it with ketamine and its 100% not necessary or advised to mix phenibut with benzos but im sure that combo alone is very Synergistic with their combined and similar affects on the CNS but also possibly dangerous for OD and prone to blackouts.

I'am going to expirement today starting with my coffee with 300mg phenibut alone, maybe another later depending on the feeling and will report back. That will be my last usage for another week or so.

7 Comments
2024/10/27
10:36 UTC

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Has anyone here ever combined phenibut with ashwagandha?

I know ashwagandha lowers cortisol. But in my experience I get very boring after taking ashwagandha. I’m wondering if phenibut can balance it out.

5 Comments
2024/10/27
08:11 UTC

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