phenibut didn’t work for me for a long time. not too long ago i would take about 14-15 grams and it just wouldn’t do anything. it works a tiny bit now at around 4-5 grams (only twice a week) but i was just curious if priming is necessary and that’s the reason it wasn’t working at first?

Russian instructions for the drug state that you can take up to 1500 mg per day for 2-3 weeks. 250/500 mg 3 times a day. Surely they wouldn't recommend this if it causes severe dependence and withdrawal symptoms?

Has anyone tried taking phenibut this way? Did you have rebound anxiety/withdrawal symptoms after that?

Hey guys I consider myself still a newbie here so please be gentle ha! Anyway a lil bout me been suffering a 20 year painful severe treatment resistant depression At age 19 when it started I was naive trusting and stupid and went on the infamous ssti med go round with each ssti hurting me worse Flas forward many years I finally wise up and not easy am able to end up on the potent maoi parnatr I was in awe after a bagful of crappy poison I actual had a med I can feel relief the first day Unfortunately I experienced the notorious parnatepooput where it not only lost its magic but now did nothing at ALL Knowing the horrid ssris were my only option as well as parnate did WORK I choose to stay loyal to it and went on a augment journey to get it back I tried adding everything EVERYTHING from benzos to clonidine to gabapentin everything except stimulants cause they were "forbidden".then one day out of desperation I did add Adderall and BAM that was it the parnate felt ad if it kicked back in and I felt alive again !

Fast forward to NOE at current age 45 this is where I stand,parnate alone still totally comptly useless thrash.adderall alone is just yucky a speedy speedy effect that only mimics any antidepressant action harsh and yuck.So again parnate alone THRASH addrrall alone THRASH.Howrvet upon awakening i immefiatly take my 40mg of parnate instantly and i mean instantly along with it my 20 mg of Adderall back to back in less then five minutes the effects hit first total relief of pain and misery second a fairly decent mood lift last a calming sense of setinty and peace.What I'm sure is happening is the Adderall is poteniating the parnate not the other way around because the only speed like effect I get is a slight energizing effect similar to nothing more then a single cup of coffee.More so as i tell my girl it kinda feels like a sweet Ativan shot but with some euphoria Main thing is my depression after dosing is non-existent and this effect last most of the day I also add a ting tablet of pure caffeine for a dopamine boost its very very subtle but I believe it's there .This trio combo has been bringing me success and relief well over three years now With the MAOI/stimulant contradiction now highly rebuked in medical journey and instead touring of its combo used now being spoken of in trials I still get heat mostly here if I post about this combo First I've taken Adderall alone and hated hated it and am aware fully of its effect and I'm absolutely certain it's nothing close to what I feel when I take it alongside the parnate.Since again in believe the Adderall is potentiating the parnate I believe it's parnates calming effects that cuts the ugly edge off the Adderall.So again Adderall is something I have no desire to use on its own,parnate by itself is basically useless ineffective thrash I feel truly lucky and blessed for this combo.As stayed it's been working its magic for me well over three years and even with the small very small caffiene amount I've had no I'll effects of these for the entire three years instead three years of relief I desperately needed and have finally found it upsets me I'm still attacked using it like I'm not a 20 year veteran on parnate.

Now getting closer to being on topic with this thread in the midst of augmenting when semi legal I became obsessed with GHB finally making my own powder at home I got damn good at it and man was mine potent and just WOE Because I did my research I used the GHB sparingly and carefully with respect and discipline.Due to this I never had a single problem the entire time using it any problems including withdrawal when stopping I would see users on the ghb Google group not so lucky and describe GHB as a horror substance which I just didn't agree with.For examples I made a solemn rule to myself under no circumstances would I ever even think of using gbl instead I did once and it turned me to a monster far cry from the happy social GHB so when I see hear how the two are the same I just shake my head in shock of such insane thinking there

Ok with my med combo helping me to ustly for over three years I still have a few issues,a backdrop overall feeling of gloom I can't shake as well as slight up and downs through the day .This where phenibut comes in,like GHB I've done and been doing my research constantly with it I'm fully fully aware it's to be used only sparingly and also carefully.i just an hour prior to writing this actualy received my small order of it happy cause a week ago a fraud vendor sent me total thrash that got me sick.Just by the professional Look of the container as well as the site I feel very confident in this batch me and my girl about an hour ago whipped out the scale and with my wright agreed on a first time dose of exactly 1.3 grams

Now my questions and need for help,first in disappointment I read it takes 2-4 hours to take effect,4 hours wtf is this correct can anyone kindly shed some light on A approx how long how many hours will it truly take to notice any form of effect and B at 240 pounds was 1.3 grams a good decision and will it be enough to feel if so what kind of effect at that dose can I expect .I am a little nervous at my wright ot was to low of a dose and I'll be waiting here hours for NOTHING ! Ty ty so much for reading this long thing as well as thanks in advance for any reply and or light you can help shed.Again ty

when i take phenibut my back hurts really bad when i stand or sit too long. the only way to make the pain go away is by laying down. is there any way to fix this?

Hi all, obviously ur supposed to take phenibut on an empty stomach, however if I drink a few beers right after taking phenibut will it still work?

They all gone? Clear web ones I mean.

Since chem exchange bailed I've only found 1 theoretically supplying and distributing out of eu (venogen). Any info on them would also be appreciated.

Has anyone tried evergreen for their phenibut!? Just curious.

So I buyed 10grams F-phenibut but it's in HCL form so what is good dose for strong effects (Not heavy) I hav been using neurontin everyday 1200mg for anxiety. Please help me out with

I’m just curious if it’s something you introduce people to or offer them like people do with certain drugs or is this something you kind of keep to yourself? And in that same vein how did you hear about it? I personally heard of it through Reddit when I was reading about kratom and looking for substitutions for alcohol. I’ve offered it to my boyfriend a handful of times and he’s taken me up on it a few and is kind of take it or leave it… I’ve mentioned it to my coworkers in the restaurant world and they don’t seem too interested.

Is chemical exchange down or did they shut down forever? The site won’t load. I’ve tried there phenibut and it seems very legit and as good as SB. Did they pull an exit scam and take a bunch of money?

Lots of talk recently on the quality of Phenibut from various sources post LiftMode ...

Like many I panic bought like a Kilo when LM announced the discontinuation; about half in LiftMode FAA and half in Science Bio FAA.

I recently tried some of LM after nearing the end of the first SB container I opened.

Dare I say it... but the SB seems stronger. The LM def hit as expected but the SB just seems to have a bit more "oomph".

Now these batches were purchased right as things were were "getting weird"; so I can't speak to more recent purchases but IMO Science Bio is definitely on par if not "better" than LM depending on what you're going for.

Just sharing.

I’ve been asked to speak at a conference coming up, it starts at 8:30am and it goes all the way to 6pm. I’m going to have to give a brief intro and then jump in and speak throughout between speakers. So basically have to be good all day to speak publicly.

If I don’t take anything the standard embarrassing voice shaking nervousness ensues. If I drink I’m the best public speaker you ever met. The thing is I don’t drink anymore and don’t want to go back.

Just got some phenibut today and took 500mg to get a feel for it. Feels alright, makes me feel kinda lethargic but I think it will do. Based on what I’ve read on here I can up my dose but I’m hesitant… like is it going to make me even more tired if I up the dose to 1g? What regimen would you suggest I take and at what time? Also the next day I have to do the same thing, it’s a two day conference.

Any help you guys can give would be much appreciated.

Idk I would love to keep it short and simple but it’s a long story of mental illness and substance abuse and a pretty complex question but I’ll try my best to not yap too much.

So for context I’ve been an almost binge alcoholic for 3-4 years, now almost 2 years sober and quit it cold turkey with no supporting supplements or routines except for meditation and had almost no withdrawal and minimal cravings, esp considering my raging alcoholism in the past and never ending urge to fuck myself up that is still present. I’ve toyed with a bunch of benzos for a while even tho I was scared shitless to even touch them when I first found out about their existence due to addiction potential and me being anxiety-ridden at the time, and my fav ones where pretty much in the exact order of dangerousness - kpin, then diazepam, then lorazepam and then alprazolam, but I’ve pretty quickly grew tired of them once I’ve dropped alcohol as they’re too dry on their own and have almost exclusively hypnotic effect on me and I’m not the biggest fan of passing out on my couch in the midst of some daily activity. Again, don’t remember any withdrawals. I’ve been prescribed gabapentin for anxiety by my psychiatrist and I’ve abused it extensively in the same dosage he recommended, 600-1200mgs, only with some boosters like NAC or aspirin on top, and since I’ve dropped weed it was my go-to high as it would greatly enhance my motivation, music appreciation, sex drive and make me clear-headed and set on achieving my goals, even put me in a manic state during some depression episodes sometimes. Once again, I’ve ran out of my script and went from a habit that recently developed into 2-3 times a week thing altogether and had next to no urges to dose again, almost as if I’ve never used it. I’ve also had Lyrica a couple of times and it is one of my top drugs of abuse and one of the only ones I truly crave sometimes even tho I don’t remember the effects that much and it was a long time ago, just motivation and sense of bliss and well-being it produced really stuck. I’ve had a share of baclofen experiences, from everything I know it’s way more potent and intense than phenibut and it made me horny which I liked quite a lot and really confident, but I had rebound irritability the same day as dosing and dropped it.

And now we come to the main topic, all of this intro was to explain how my relations with different GABA agonists had gone and so you could tell me if I’m maybe overthinking and attributing connections where there’s none. I’m originally from Russia so phenibut for me always was a kind of bullshit drug, it’s being prescribed to infants at like 750mgs 3times/day, it has reputation similar to glycine or homeopathy in terms of effectiveness and as teens we would devour grams on grams chasing it with vodka with no obvious additional effect from it, so I never thought much of it and would occasionally take 2-5grams to boost my weed and not even get that boost, but when I became sober from both weed and alcohol and relied solely on pharma to cover my demand for escapism and I’ve discovered that stacking on top of other compounds adds this brand inebriation and carelessness that I got from alcohol so I started adding it here and there even tho it wouldn’t always work and I would sense some impending doom on a subconscious level, but once again all the other drugs had immensely greater effect on me than it and since I’m more interested in psychedelic effect I wasn’t concerned..

but recently I found myself dosing it every other day, taking more and more while inebriated and idk… beside that I’m experimenting with healthy supplements, implementing more and more healthy routines like journaling and gratitude diary, and overall going out of my deepest depressive episode and finally trying to accomplish my goals and finish my projects, and last few weeks I was feeling on top of the world in all senses: confident as almost never, composed and focused with stable self-image, not ruminating and obsessing over bullshit, at last having an awesome libido again and being confident and immersed in the act as I forgot I could be with both me and my partners pleased to a surprising extent, writing some of my best songs and being confident about my future. Then I realise that those past weeks I’ve been dosing phenibut almost daily. Now I stopped and have severe rebound anxiety (not too severe but with all my practices I virtually forgot how any amount of anxiety feels), and now I started diggin deeper into phenibut lore and see all the comments about it blowing all the other GABA drugs I’ve used and to some extent loved out of the water, it’s addiction being hell on earth worse than benzos and habituation quicker than H, it being an extreme entactogen etc and I’m like wtf? How could I miss all that? Am I battling the most dangerous drug I’ve encountered? Will life ever be the same? And all of that is seducing me into falling into that pit even more, like without any research I would probably still think this drug is child’s play. Btw those past weeks I simultaneously introduced cordiceps into my routine and maybe at least partly my state is explained by it? I’ve heard it’s one of the best for motivation and sex drive. Phenibut I took was just otc pharmaceutical one.

TLDR: Am I overthinking phenibut and undermining my own path or is it really cure-all entactogen-stim-downer that made me superhuman for a bit and now will drag me into a pit of despair? It can’t be done in moderation and really downregulates GABA worse than benzos? Edit: I’ve stated that this story involves mental illness but failed to elaborate, I have bipolar, pretty hardcore ADHD and borderline

Looking to take this Saturday and then go out with friends or go do something, good or bad idea?

Posting for awareness for new users. I have made two purchases with Eden Grows one for $118.19 and another for $44.62. They process my order, take the money out of my account, send me a confirmation code, and next thing I know I receive another email explaining that my payment was not processed. So I give them a call in hope for an explanation. I was told I would receive a refund the next business day, it’s been a week now and nothing. I proceed to try and contact Edengrows but no response via email or call. Shipping policy is sketchy, no customer service their phone number is a google number, and now with this experience I had I can surely say EdenGrows is a scam, most reviews here on Reddit from EdenGrows are literally paid promotion. Be aware buy trafa, venogen or science.bio they take longer in shipping but definitely more trustworthy than Eden grows.

So I was hearing and reading bad things about chemical exchange. About three weeks ago since they are in the East Coast and every time I order from the West Coast takes ages to get to me. I decided to bite the bullet order. It didn’t go bad, but the reviews were mixed.. but anyways seems they pulled the website.

Phenibut is legal and wondered if there's any other stuff similar to it out there that's legal to get. I've got Kratom which defo one of the best had. Thanks

The purchasing process seems sketchy at first (third party gift cards) but my order was delivered promptly and packaged well. I don't have any from a different vendor/don't have much explicit experience with this stuff to compare it to anything else quality-wise, but the stuff definitely works! 9/10 (one point taken off entirely due to the sketchiness of the gift card/cash app situation lol) will likely buy again

is this stuff working great for anyone out there? daily. sleep on point, diet is clean, mental clarity and use is not spiralling out of control. you maintain a same dose schedule and are just living life.

For the past year or so I have taken Phenibut occasionally for a little boost or social anxiety relief. Maybe a gram or 1.5 gram in a day and then not again for a few weeks or even months. During this time i would somewhat regularly be taking Kratom, about 2-2.5 grams a day with some breaks

A couple weeks ago I found myself in a situation that triggered and activated some previous complex trauma in me. It basically resulted in activating my limbic system and I was in fight/flight state 24 hours a day. If you have ever been there you know what a nightmare this is and how excruciating painful. Looking for some relief I started taking Phenibut daily, usually 750 mg twice a day along with uppping my Kratom to 10-12 grams at the worst times. Its been about two weeks since the absolute worst parts. I have dropped my kratom down to 8 grams currently but still seem to need the daily phenibut as when I try to taper down the anxiety starts to creep in and those fight/flight mode feelings. I am hoping that as I heal it will subside more and this need for it will also subside, but having read so many horror stories about addiction and tolerance I am concerned I will pass a point of no return and be stuck in that cycle.

I don't have a focused question per se just looking for anyones experiences or thoughts etc. What have your experiences been like if you have used it for similar purposes? What was your tipping point for rebound anxiety and tolerance look like for you?

Thanks so much for any comnets

I have been alternating between these three for about 2 weeks. For instance I did 1 mg of Xanax on a Monday 600mg of F Phenibut on a Tuesday 3g of Phenibut on a Wednesday and kinda repeated that cycle for about 2 weeks. I know it’s really dumb. It was my bday and several other work related things came up and I’ve been just riding this out. Now I’m scared to jump off and don’t really even know how I should taper. How bad should I expect my withdrawals to be? Did I really fry up my receptors? Any help would be appreciated. For a bit of history I’ve been dosing around 2-3g twice a week for about 1.5 years. Started getting bad insomnia when I would take a break so have been trying to cut that down even more. I’m a bigger guy at 6ft 270lbs as well. Again any insight would be appreciated.

So I used to get all my Phenibut from Lift Mode, like many here. I've never posted before, but I've noticed a lot of posters here saying that the Venogen stuff just isn't the same, or worse, that's it's pixie dust. So, I wanted to share my experience:

First off, the customer care has been excellent. The company seems to care about customer feedback, and want to produce a good name for themselves.

More importantly, they claim that the Phenibut is the exact same product that Lift Mode was providing. I believe this to be true. I've gone through two batches w Venogen, and I am about to order some more. Shipping took about 2 weeks to get to me in Canada, and the product works well for me and my wife.

So, if you've been hesitant to order from them, I'd say there's nothing to be concerned about.

I have no affiliation with Venogen, just sharing my experience in light of some other feedback I've seen.

I’m not dumb, I know most compounds, especially phenibut, produce different effects situationally. But after much research on different vendors Post-lift mode era, I gambled on getting some Venogen Hcl since I was not about to pay 40 CAD shipping with Trafa.

For anyone considering buying take all the conflicting info on effects to heart because this stuff doesn’t do SHIT to me and it’s really sad. I experimented some times with it and most I got was a slightly more than negligible bit of excitement out of my day, no music enhancement, no sexual enhancement, no hypnotic flow state that makes life feel simpler. And all this with a significantly worse comedown.

I’m just saying all this to express that it really is a luck of the draw on how these substances affect you. Lift mode was unique and now I’m feeling like I probably won’t experience that same feeling ever again. Such is life

So I've recently tried Phenibut a few times and quickly worked out that I love the effects with alcohol and I especially love the effects on the enjoyability and immersiveness of music. (The combo is not too far behind GBL in this regard imo.)

Trouble is after only doing this combo a couple of times, at a rate of once a fortnight, it hits me with a bad case of Anhedonia that lasts for a week or more. All the little things I normally enjoy, like watching my favourite TV shows, relaxing of an evening after a days work, seeing the trees come into leaf in spring, and seeing more rare wildlife when out and about, seeing houses with nice gardens etc (yes I'm getting old and boring) but none of these things give me any pleasure for a week after dosing phenibut.

The lack of enjoyment sometimes crossed the line into straight up bad days, which has led to an escalation of my use of other drugs to compensate for the period.. Complulsive drug use on days I'd planned nor to use anything and a feeling of not being in control. All round bad news imo.

I'm glad to say that the pleasure in all these things has now returned after a week and a bit off Phenibut.

While this Anhedonia is nowhere near as severe as the depression and anxiety I'd get after dosing various stims, I still feel the trade off isn't worth it. Plust I'm starting a new job right now, and so the spotlight will be on me, to a certain extent, so it's obviously a bad time to be fucking with my mood.

Phenibut I loved you. But regrettaby I think my love affair with you will be a very short one.

Plus all these posts I'm reading about rebounds getting progressively worse really do concern me.

Anyone else had similar issues or come to similar conclusion?

Would anybody suggest dosing Phenibut a 3-5 hours before taking mushrooms to keep me calm during the trip or is it just not worth it (or kratom)

Please share your experience and dosing regimen if you do.

ANOTHER QUESTION: what about adult signature required? Their notes say that if the shipment is sent back to them they will not refund.

I've reached out to their customer support with no answer.

Their business address is in MA (Massachussetts) but I feel like I've seen others say that it took 2-3 weeks to receive a shipment as if they shipped from China.

Curious to hear if anyone has ordered there before and knows how long it takes to receive from them?

Thanks!