Hi everyone, i made a previous post earlier in the week when i was on day 3 of not taking any more phenibut - i am on day 6 and heading into day 7 in a few hours now!

So day 4 did certainly get a bit more intense for me withdrawal wise again, still relatively mild but definitely noticeable - but things did chill down a bit on day 5 again. It was again mild as i did taper.

Maybe i am still in very mild withdrawal? Either way i am now fully confident that i have been through the peak of it now. I feel i could be going through much fainter withdrawal throughout this week till i am fully normal again.

But - otherwise, i think its safe to say that im independent from phenibut now!

Thanks to everyone who advised, supported and congratulated me on my previous posts! You are an awesome community of people!

Although i made this as a throw away account specifically to tackle my dependence, i will certainly be keeping my account and lurking around this community into the future to advise or if anyone wants a general chat! 😉

This will be definitely be my final post on this now i am pretty much through the withdrawal.

Started using phenibut about 3years, over last year I got that down to one gram but started having trouble sleeping and didn't want to take phenibut at night for sleep, like a dummy at night I began taking rilmazafone at night. Now that I've got that to almost nothing, would there be trouble if I ct the rilmazafone? Or would my phenibut use make it "safer"?

I've gotten down to 1.6gpd from 4.7gpd and really just wanna jump from here or rapid taper or something. I'm wondering what dose everyone else got to before deciding to jump. I don't have baclofen or gabapentin, just nac and agmatine, sub and weed.

I was taking pregabalin to try getting off Phenibut and i went from 2g to like 500mg in a week, now I’m about to run out of pregabalin so I rapidly lowered my dose. This evening I realized I hadn’t taken any pregabalin all day, and I was getting that horrible feeling of thoughts bouncing around between my eyes in my forehead. Im used to it I’ve been getting it for a couple years now. When I took a pregabalin it went away in ten minutes (my sleeping meds, Lamictal, final 250mg of phen, and hydroxyzine probably kicked in too) and those are glutamate related. Magnesium too. What do you think?

I hope I am allowed to ask this. Are there any online places I can order Baclofen without a rx? I'm in the states. I really want/have/need to quit. I have a job and can't go into an inpatient facility. If anyone can help I'd really appreciate it. Honestly, I'm really scared. Thank you all.

Hi guys, as you can tell from the title - i successfully quit phenibut after the equivalent of 2GPD phenibut across 5-6 months(check my previous main post)

The last time i took phenibut was on the 25th this month(early hours). I took 50mg, I was going to play it safe by taking 2 more 25mg doses over Tuesday and Wednesday...but given that I fell asleep on monday night without taking any, i thought i would just roll with any 50mg withdrawal.

Tuesday was mostly alright, but on Wednesday evening I did have a brief glutamate spike which subsided after a few minutes. Today was actually OK again, so i think Wednesday was the worst of it.

I am also sleeping alright and my resting heart rate ranges from 80-90bpm. So I think I did it! If i can fully get through the rest of the week with minimal symptoms then I believe I should be in the clear!

When i got to around 800mg phenibut use a few weeks back, I was forced to speed my taper up due to forming a sensitivity to it. 800mg suddenly felt like way too much phenibut(felt somewhat stimulating actually), so i was forced to slash it in half to around 400mg per day. Taking about 200mg every 12 hours(as opposed to one big dose per 24 hours).

It was a bit rough for a few days, but once i stabalised - i started knocking 50mg-100mg off my day time dose every 2 or so days, till i got to taking 200mg every 24 hours again.

I then managed to slash 100mg off my night time dose, that again was a bit rough - but once i stabalised on that i then started taking 25mg off my night time dose every 2 days. Till i got to 50mg over the weekend, to which I stopped taking it this week.

My supplement cocktail that i had been taking during the roughest periods of this hastened taper was 2g of Agmantine, 1g of n-acetylcysteine, 300mg of emoxypine and 400mg of L-theanine(at night). Turns out this cocktail with the phenibut is super sedating to me which was great at making me sleep. A bit of alcohol (30ml of ethanol) on the odd night also helped. I would not recommend alcohol with moderate-heavy phenibut doses especially, but on my very low doses it also helped do the trick when the suppliments were not quite helping enough.

Nice thing about alcohol is that it mainly acts on GABA A receptors, as opposed to GABA B receptors with lower phenibut doses - so i knew as long as i used the alcohol sparingly, it was not going to cause too many issues nor raise my phenibut dependence. Phenibut can interact with GABA A, but thats typically only on high doses.

I will give it a full week before fully declaring myself independent from phenibut - but given it is day 3 and i feel much better than i did yesterday, I think this is a very promising sign :)

Edit: It is important to note that my symptoms during this rapid tapering session although still rough at times, was nowhere near as bad as my F-phenibut withdrawal.

Hello, first of all. I have been taking Phenibut for 8 years now. (I am very experienced and have actually only used it as a functional aid for my social anxiety). For three years, about daily. Luckily, my grams per day are limited, so I take a maximum of 2 grams per day. Every few months I stop for a few days. At that time I microdose LSD, which helps a lot. The withdrawal symptoms are also limited. Even on the third day. Of course I have problems sleeping, anxiety and so on. I'm sure you all know what I'm saying.

Every year in spring I do a three-week rehab. After that, my motivation is high and I give up the substance for two to three months. I then microdose psilocybin to get a little kick in everyday life and to reflect on myself. My little addiction uncle in my head forces me to start again every time. Yes, you probably know that too.

I want to try my third withdrawal and am already looking at a few clinics. However, I don't want to leave my family. That's such a long time, in Germany that's often three months or more, so I'm still very cautious.

The problem is actually this demotivation, which is long-term. In the months without phenibut, I didn't feel like doing anything. No joy, etc. That's why I'm micro-dosing so that I can somehow remain able to work and be a family man.

So now my questions.

We all talk about tapering, but nobody talks about long-term strategies, about therapies, about relapses and everything that goes with it.

Please tell us your stories.

What did you do to get over it? How long have you been sober? And what helps you not going back? And are you doing therapy? Or maybe self-help groups?

Thanks and best wishes.

Background:

I’ve quit Phenibut before, at that time I used gabapentin to come off, I ended with horrible withdrawal from the combo. I was a daily user at 3gpd plus Kratom.

I’ve stopped Kratom since May.

I don’t know how I made it through that. I was in the clear and feeling good, a dip in mood and libido and I went back.

I was a daily user of roughly 3 gpd. I stupidly went on again, I enjoyed the initial feelings of the substance once again, yet I kept chasing the feeling, leading me here to daily use, again roughly 3gpd.

Everything was great the first week, confidence, libido, music and colors vibrant, amazing outlook on life, my brain felt back on after barely

it’s turned on me. Any dose I take spikes my anxiety, all the positive feelings are gone. I have this terrible electric feeling in my spine and feeling fear and agoraphobia.

My question is: if it turns on you , is it better to CT or taper? Dosing only causes more pain at this point.

I have off until Monday and I’m willing to stay home and rough it out.

I have to try and get myself together to go to a thanksgiving dinner tonight, I just want to lie in bed.

I also have a new girlfriend that has no clue about any of this, she met me when I was off Phenibut and stable.

I’m a mess again.

Any advice would be appreciated.

People talk about pregabalin being the worst of the worst, like even worse than phenibut. Even with 900mg/d of the pregab, I still have this immense urge to kill myself and feel completely and utterly hopeless. I was at least able to lower my dose of phenibut. But now I’m about to run out of pregabalin so I’m lowering my dose of that. It’s been about four days so the worst of the phenibut fallout has passed I think. Im just counting on the Gabapentin to help me coast through the rest of my taper. Am I going to have horrendous withdrawals from the pregabalin? Like I said I’ve done about 900mg/d for the past week just to lower my phenibut dose and even then I still feel awful.

This all could have been AVOIDED if my doctor just prescribed me BACLOFEN AND GABAPENTIN like EVERYBODY ELSE’S DOCTOR DID, but he didn’t because he “DOESN’T REALLY PRESCRIBE TNAT STUFF”

So I've been using 7 grams of phenibut 2 to 3 times per week for about a month. Recently I've been having some extreme anxiety and shaking which I assume is withdrawl because it goes away when I take more. I want to avoid the more serious withdrawals so how should I taper? I took 3 grams on Monday and it made the symptoms go away

im going to the doctor/psychward tomorrow, what info do i need to tell them, was there today but they needed time to research untill tomorrow, i told them about tapering with baclofen, but how much per gram, how many times a day?

what i found is 10mg baclofen for every gram of phenibut, but is that total 10mg per day or 10mg three times a day/ 30mg per day for each gram? im taking 3-4g a day

also do i need gabapentin or something else or just baclofen? can i jump straight to baclofen if im staying there or do i still need to taper?

Hello, I was wondering if GABA is ok to take during withdrawal or would it extend it?

Side question: Has anyone tried kava to help?

Update: I doubt anyone has an answer to my question now that I think about it. I'm going to take one for the team and test it out to see if it causes any rebound problems. I'll update in 24 hours

Update II: I tried some kava GABA drink blend 600mg of gaba and idk the kava but it didn't do much and I don't think it's had any effect on my withdrawal. Though it could be bad quality so precede with caution

Over the past year or I’ve had a risky habit of taking 2-3g every other day with the occasional break of two weeks or so. I am going out of the country soon and won’t be able to bring my supply, so I’ve reliably cut down to dosing every three or four days without really decreasing the dose. I feel completely fine apart from a slight rebound effect on the night of day 2 or 3 since my last dose.

Is this a good idea/will I be able to jump off relatively painlessly after a month or two of being at a healthy twice a week when I have to travel, or is there some reason I’ll get slammed with all the delayed withdrawal?

I only used phenibut for 2 weeks every day and now I'm in withdrawal hell now, I'm afraid of social interactions, have constant headaches, vision problems, and worst part is the insomnia it's so bad that I'm lucky if i get an hour or 2 in, the night terrors I get cause me to scream in the middle of the night and I wake up 6 times a night drenched in sweat.

I also get weird memory issues along with delusions when i wake such as believing that I'm dying in a sea of rotting corpses.

This is 4th day of my withdrawal, I'm barely getting by, most all other issues are slowly getting better such as motivation and energy it's just the damn night terrors and anxiety destroying me.

Any advice?

The only way I could do it is tapering the phenibut. Have all the helper meds which along with some idk what it was (think faa but says HCL) threw me into I physical sickness worse then any opiate r benzo wd. My dose was 2,5 gpd at lowest. I measured with measuring tsp, and until I got a scale had no idea each tsp was about 2.34 gr. , I’m going to be at .950 tomorrow and I feel so clear. Wish I woulda:

1. buy a scale
2. Start at 2.5 mg taper from there
3. Stabilize at each dose (now I know it’s 3/4 days)
4. Commit to cuts
5. Don’t give into thoughts of “wow your below a gr bet 2 will feel grrrreat”

I know I’m getting better, listening to my body, music, eating well, exercise, wish GL to anyone thinking bad will last forever. Weird thing about this drug is when physical WD stop, they stop and don’t come back.

Doctor Came me Another Gaba in the same class as Baclofen + Gabapentin.

Chlorpromazine: A phenothiazine antiemetic and antipsychotic that can be prescribed by a doctor if there's no obvious cause for the hiccups

The High Phenkbut used to give me back when there was no tolerance was amazing. Everything like in party mode. Sing dancs 1000% confidence.

Oh Man but I promised peple i will not go back go phenibut.

Stay natural guys .

Did you just keep increasing because your regular dose lost effectiveness? Please also state your dose and frequency.

Just a little about myself, I’m 38 yrs old and have struggled with substance abuse in the past. I’m not sure why I thought I could use phenibut responsibly but addicts like myself get stuck in this kind of obsessive thinking where we think we can control our usage of a substance that we particularly like.

I found phenibut back in February of this year 2024 and was like wow 🤩. This does everything alcohol does but I’m coherent and less sloppy. The obsession started immediately. I researched it up and down and was just infatuated with what I was feeling.

I knew I was playing with fire but continued to dabble while ignoring that little voice in my head telling me this could go sideways. I had read all of the horror stories and was prepared to heed all of the warnings. I never became a daily user per se but I would binge for several days at first and nurse my wounds for several days after. So I would basically binge for 3-4 days then take a week or two off.

I noticed my rebounds started to get worse and worse feeling more like withdrawal but I kept messing with it.

First real withdrawal was after a 10 day binge leading up to my annual family vacation in Destin Florida. I thought I could taper but it was already turning on me. Phenibut seems to turn on me pretty quickly I’m not sure why but once it does I start having dizzying panic attacks even on high doses. At that point I have to cold turkey and bear down for at least 6 days of pure panic filled hell. No amount of agmatine, NAC or whatever OTC meds will touch it. The ice pick migraines and hallucinations at night have to be the most terrifying part.

The second withdrawal I went through was after a seven day bender. This particular bender landed me in the ER. I was prescribed Librium, which saved my sanity through this one.

Since I had this, Librium laying around and realized that it helped so much with withdrawal I figured I could dabble some more leading up to now since I had comfort meds to see me through. I told myself I would quit after the comfort meds ran out.

Well, I had to get one more good withdrawal in before I finally quit of course. Here I am on day six still having nasty anxiety attacks, but I’m starting to see some light at the end of the tunnel.

I’m sharing this just to maybe get through to anybody that’s thinking they might be able to responsibly use. Everybody is different and maybe some have worked out a routine but if this story sounds familiar to anyone else just put it down. Enhanced music increased libido, and being the big shot at the party is not worth the downside even a little bit.

Thanks for hearing me out guys. I’m officially off the wagon. It’s time for me to learn to be OK with just being OK

300g over the course of 3 months. My doses were... much larger than 3g at a time. Won't say how much so i don't get banned. Longest i ever went without it during this period was 5 days, so right now. Ending day 5 cold turkey here and somehow i'm actually fine, with the help of an extra daily dose each of my clonidine and seroquel. I'm not expecting things to get any worse from here lol. Waking up a lot/kinda shitty sleep past couple nights. Night of day 3, had a weird headache, muscle aches & was hallucinating like an acid trip after taking a weed gummy (i take one every night and that does not happen) but did not have a seizure, and again a little seroquel took care of it, plus a hot bath, i wasn't even feeling anxious. Did not need to call a telehealth for baclofen or anything. I had a very traumatizing past with rc benzos & other gaba drugs, and i know how this stuff is so i feel very blessed and grateful to not be stroking out in a detox center from this right now. I'm sure the meds i'm on are helping it tremendously but i was expecting so, so much worse. I'm not gonna mess with this stuff like that anymore, it's really playing with fire

As awful as it is I'm gonna start taking it every other day. I WAS considering everyday but the second day glow feels amazing in its own way. Why do daily users decide to do it daily and miss this part of the process?? Plus it's healthier (compared to daily use)

I'm taking it once a week half dose in morning and half dose 6 hours later. I've been doing this for a month and it's been effective but now its doing very little at that doee. If I do the second dose 4 hours later instead of 6 and decrease the time between my first and second dose will it increase effectiveness or would I have to increase the dose??

Does it really matter whether I take my dose all at once or not? The halflife is so long

A doctor can prescribe medications to treat persistent hiccups, including: Chlorpromazine: A phenothiazine antiemetic and antipsychotic that's often the first choice Baclofen: A skeletal muscle relaxant Gabapentin: A dopamine-blocking agent

Hiccups 7 days 24/7 painful chest neck digestives muscles gon when when I'm on it

Hi,

I take phenibut twice per week and feel great on the days I’m on but generally an anxious person in general. I don’t really drink alcohol cos I go to the gym a lot and workout so I don’t really wanna get hangovers that will disrupt that, but I have access to pregabalin and benzos.

Would I be ok to alternate, say pregabalin Monday, benzos Tuesday, phenibut Wednesday, pregabalin Thursday, benzos friday, phenibut Saturday, day off Sunday. Etc so im not taking anything more than twice per week. I know you can alternate between benzos and phenibut / pregabalin because they hit different gaba receptors but just wondering about the danger of physical depency from taking phenibut and pregabalin in this manner?

I know there is an argument that phenibut and pregabalin hit the same receptor however so does booze and to my knowledge booze doesn’t contribute to neither phenibut or pregabalin dependency. It might impact tolerance but that’s not what I’m asking I’m asking about risk of dependency.

I’ve been using phenibut for 2 years, doses ranging from 4-8gpd.

I’ve been noticing a pain and discomfort in my upper right abdomen and just an awareness of something enlarged in that area.

I saw my GP who did a physical exam and said she could feel my liver where she shouldn’t be able to.

I’ve now been told I have fatty and inflamed liver. Blood tests came out ok only minor elevation but she said that if I carried on it could get worse .

I don’t drink very often and am apart from 15gpd of Kratom that’s all I take.

I’m almost certain it’s not the Kratom as I’ve been on that for many years and before the phenibut I never had any complaints.

Just wanted to give a warning.

The problem is I can’t stop CT, but I have baclofen coming this week so am going to have to swap directly as I can’t afford to damage mg liver further.

I know this may be a rare reaction as we have many people taking 10-15 even 20 gpd plus, but it does happen!

My condition is reversible if I stop now.

Well done guys I'm in hospital

Dry Kidneys probs from Long term Phenibut 2.5g a day 1 week Kratom 2 to 6g

Kidney was chucking black acid back through the pipe which can be dangerous as damages organs if not dealt with

Mental state healthy due to SSRI

7 DAYS HICCUP 24/7 Got sweats in sleep

Low electrolytes due to vomit and heat.

You all mocked me yesterday for taking 1500mg 2 days ago.

Last dose was around 30 hours ago and this awful feeling in my head - like the worst migraine I've ever experienced, electrical feeling concentrated above my eyes - began. I decided I needed to quit.

This is after one month of first time use, 1-3g per day, some days off, no consistent pattern.

Based on various posts I could "jump" using baclofen and/or gabapentin. *Any amount of both of these substances significantly increases the intensity of the feeling in my head, which might be what is called a glutamate storm?

My question: Do I power through this, or is it dangerous? Some posts say that when you have the "glutamate storms" of this intensity, anything taken will make it more dangerous. Others say it's best to taper in all scenarios. Please share your best advice, thank you!

• My muscles some how recovered Alot faster on Phenibut cuz of the growth hormone release. Don't worry I'm only gonna take 1000mg 3 to 4 times week so it's safe and it's tolerant why hit the top like before I had it everyday 2gs a day.

Background: I have used (almost) 2oz over the course of one month. Usually 1-2g per day, sometimes 3g. I've gone 1-2 days on, 1-2 days off, on average, but no consistent pattern.

Current situation: I took 3g yesterday after one day off. 2g today. I've had the absolute worst migraine last night into today and decided I should call it quits. I only have ~5g left but have no desire to consume it at this point.

Question: Am I fucked if I go cold turkey? Or should I use the remaining 5g for some kind of taper? I have Gabapentin, Baclofen, and NAC on hand. If I go cold turkey and utilize these, how much of each and at what frequency?

I would hugely appreciate the time and energy of anyone experienced who can respond here. Already feel like a dufus and have no plans to resume use of this stuff, so judgements not needed.

Thank you!