So I recently went to the hospital coming off of 10-15g’s per day. It turned on me. They loaded me up with Ativan and Baclofen for 3 days then sent me home with a Rapid 4 day taper of baclofen jumping at 10mgs. I was struggling severely during that time with the baclofen. My last dose of Phenibut was right before I went into the hospital. I went back on about 1.5 grams a day and still feel like shit but somewhat stable. Is it a safe plan to stabilize and taper from here?

The title says it all. I've been using phenibut in doses of roughly 1.5 grams a day for almost 2 weeks as a replacement for my gabapentin. I get my gabapentin tomorrow so I need to stop taking phenibut. I have enough to do a fast taper however I am already having anxiety after dropping my dose down to 1 gram. Should I just stop altogether at once and suffer the rebound anxiety or should I try to taper down. I don't know if I am in for actual withdrawals or not. Any advice or similar situations?

Ok I've been taking 4 500mg capsules fot 5 days daily, then I took 6 capsules on day 6 and 7. Today in the morning I went back to 4 capsules and I'm feeling chilled out. How much less should I go now so I can minimize any withdrawals these coming days? I have some 300mg and 400mg tablets of gabapentin for my nerve pain and some Buspar for my anxiety, I will not take any type of Benzos. I greatly appreciated it.

So I’ve been taking only a very small dose of Phenibut daily (250mg) for over two months now for debilitating major depressive disorder and social anxiety and CPTSD. For the first month it worked wonders for me, and during then I started ketamine nasally for my depression and it helped immensely at first, but now, after each ketamine session I’m finding that it’s not doing absolutely anything except for extreme rage and irritability the following two to three days after it. I put two and two together and found the two times the Ketamine worked best for me was when I had a whole 24 hours off my phenibut taper (I’m on 120mg’s now as I tried cold turkey and became su*cidal). But had to start taking it again as withdrawals set in shortly after on about day three. I’ve tried it again with no luck, not taking phenibut and whilst the K works a lot better the day I don’t have it, the positive effects aren’t there anymore. So I’m frustrated and feeling extremely discouraged and unsure on what to do at this point.

If anybody could offer me some advice I’d greatly appreciate it. I’m extremely sensitive to phenibut, used to be on 500mg a day and got off only with Valiums help, but doing this now without any substitute feels impossible!!!!

I've been taking 3+ grams a day for 3 months I'm also physically dependent on alcohol, I've ran out of phenibut I do have gabapentin what dose of gabapentin can I take to remove me from this hell? I'm also a server and withdraw does not look good when taking peoples food orders

Does anyone know if topamax would help with post acute withdrawal syndrome. From what I’ve read online it’s VGCC blocker and has some gaba effects but isn’t very abuse able.

Well this is my second time down this road and I can happily say I’m 6 days off zaza silver. It’s not been easy, but after day 3 I started to calm down. The rest of these days I’ve just been anxious, cold sweats (I can’t stand them and start as soon as I wake up) and just noooo sleep what so ever. So I guess the hardest part is down…. Now fighting the mental fight and lethargy -_-. But happy to be 6 days off it no the less!! Sending positive vibes to everyone in this chat

I’ve been using phenibut situationally for years. Once every few weeks maybe. I thought it was amazing and incredibly useful. For about 6 months now, due to extreme stress I’ve been using it every second day, about 800-900mg. I managed to taper down to 750mg every second day. I always take it with caffeine as it seems to quicken the onset and potentiate the effects.

The past few weeks, the days I don’t take it have become nightmarish. Extreme anxiety, panic attacks, feelings of dread, complete isolation, disconnectedness and the lowest mood I’ve ever experienced. I realised I couldn’t function like that, my life is literally falling apart around me, my business is all but non existent and my marriage is in a very bad place. The people I care about are distancing themselves from me. I’ve never felt so alone in my life and at this rate I’m going to be completely on my own. I don’t know if that’s avoidable now.

I’ve spoken to my Dr and he said I need to come off of it but he was unwilling to prescribe anything. I was given a phone number for an addiction support service which I have contacted and I’m awaiting an appointment.

I decided to take half a dose every day. But that made it worse. I’ve been building back up and today I’m at 550mg. Not sure how today will go yet. I’ve ordered NAC and agmatine but they haven’t arrived yet.

Can anyone suggest what would be the best regime to be able to function without feeling like death, and be able to continue tapering down? Another issue is that the reasons that started me feeling the need to take it are all still there too. 😔

I was taking phenibut around 1-1.5 grams daily for about 2 weeks. This is the 2nd day since my last dose and i have been feeling super weird.

1. A lot of head pressure in my forehead around the eyes and nose area

2. Anxiety, not mental but in my body like a wave of anxiety coming through, with a feeling of being cold and like almost as if you are falling in a deep hole…

3. Depressed wanting to cry but not really being able to..just darkness

4. Not being able to handle people talk, or children laughing like getting angry inside which is weird I am super empathic…

5. Tingling feeling over my face, arms, legs and sometimes just a deep stinging sensation

And the last symptom is not feeling any hunger did not have dinner today no appetite whatsoever.

I think this is phenibut withdrawal, but I also started using a peptide recently for weight loss purposes. Don’t think that can cause these reactions but would be great if someone can give their opinion on these symptoms.

Thank you all 🥰

Edit forgot to mention I also drank on some of the nights while using pheni about 2-3 glasses max of wine or beer

I binged up to about 10gs a day for about a month.

Felt shitty all week. Started tapering by 500mgs a day. Haven’t slept all week.

Constant withdrawal symptoms. Hopelessness, anxiety, fast heart rate, weakness, shortness of breath, feeling sick, nauseous, vomiting, no appetite, thoughts of suicide, reminiscing on my life and missing it, brain zaps, weird muscle spasms, 0 sleep. I can’t tell if it has turned on me or what. It’s like the most unpredictable drug ever

Idk what to do.

2 years ago I successfully tapered from 2gs a day for 6 months with Baclofen. I’m so mad at myself for doing this to myself again but way worse.

This is way worse and I don’t know what to do. I don’t have Baclofen right now and I don’t know what a stable dose is for me right now.

I have agmatine and NAC but I feel like they aren’t helping me at all when they used to. I feel like I’ve permanently fucked myself. Also this is a very bad time in my life right now so it’s making things a lot worse

I have had phenibit for 3 months now and for most of my f-phenibut usage I used it 2 to 3 times per week (~.4g so around 2g norm) but on the tail ended I went daily for awhile due to enjoying lucid dreaming and not knowing the consequences of daily use, maybe two or three weeks and then nearly ran out of phenibut and experienced Glutamate storms. This included insomnia for 2 days and extreme anxiety. I know it’s glutamate because the withdrawal feels sparked by a dose of phenibut and if I get sleep I feel back to normal. So far this is the only real withdrawal I’ve felt from phenibut and was hoping to find something to help with it. I already have NAC and Ambien, nac is no longer very effective and I have no luck with ambien and also don’t like to take do to dependency. I am currently trying to quit through taper because cold turkey was horrible

Short version- using phenibut to help kratom withdrawals, how much can I take for how long before I am in the danger zone for getting withdrawals from the phenibut?

Currently trying to get off kratom. Have gotten off twice, pretty pissed I fell into it again. I am trying to use phenabut to help get over the anxiety of the first few days. I have used phenabut for this purpose in the past, and never felt like I had withdrawals.

I took probably 1-3g a day, staggered throughout the day for about 3 days. Then took 2 days off and the kratom withdrawal were too much so I started taking kratom again for the past 2 days.

I am going to stop the kratom again tomorrow.

I want to use the phenabut again as it’s the only thing that seems to help, but I am worried that I will began to get the rebound withdrawal that is talked about on this sub.

How long until I starting getting these negative effects? I have never had withdrawals from phenibut, but have never taken it longer than 4 days in a row. First time using it was probably 5 years ago.

I’m pretty paranoid about the withdrawal as my current kratom use and kratom withdrawal have already got me in a pretty shitty mental state.

If you can tell me how long / how much -phen I can take until I am in the danger zone I would be grateful. Also any thoughts or experiences using phen to quit kratom are also welcome.

——-another reason I am paranoid is because the night after I stoped taking the phen I was super fog brained, couldn’t remember the names of anybody on the tv show I was watching with my girlfriend that we have been watching for over a year. And I saw a comment about somebody’s experience about not being able to think straight during phen withdrawl. Not sure if I am just being paranoid from reading all these horror story’s on this sub but I am just so fucking over this shitty cycle of withdrawals.

Sorry for rambling on.

Thank you for reading.

My brain is going to dark places. I’m naturally anxious, but never dark or depressed. I am currently depressed trying to get off this crap. I have lived through a 2 year benzo taper (6 yrs on benzos). I have lived through a sudden pregab CT. This is similar yet creepy, dark, with no rhyme or reason. What I mean by that is, I don’t feel like there is much progress as the days pass. Odd sensations come and go and comeback.

Wanted to bring some positivity to this sub, as things can get quite dark on here regularly. I am making the jump off of phen and onto NAC tomorrow. I’ve been taking about 250mg a day for the past 7 days, and haven’t noticed any withdrawal effects since going from 1.5 to 1 gram per day. I was using agmatine for a while after reading around on this sub, but for some reason agmatine made my already bad insomnia much worse, so I’ve been using the occasional 300mg gabapentin when I need it.

I’m so excited to be done with this ball and chain that is phenibut!! I’ve been on and off (mostly on) for about 5 years, and this sub has been so very helpful in this final taper. I’m glad this stuff is basically disappearing from the internet as I won’t even have the option to relapse after this. Thank you to all the kind people on this sub, here’s to a phenibut-free life!

I am a recovering addict from basically any drug but mostly crack and dope, as well as a recovering alcoholic. It has been so so hard and so many things have happened that I was just so down all the time, trying to get back into the swing of things with working and rebuilding relationships. My ex mentioned phenibut because we used to do it once a month since he read all about it and how it's not good to use daily. Since he reminded me of it, I ordered some about 2 or 3 months ago and began using it once a week, then 3 times a week, and so on. I've been doing it daily for a little over a month. The effects are still wonderful I am a better friend a more enthusiastic worker and I'm able to stay away from and have no interest in all other drugs and alcohol even at events. I've been struggling to see the downsides. I also struggle with bipolar and depression and anxiety and PTSD so when I finally stop, it's going to be bad. Well I have been eyeballing my doses, assuming I've been taking 1 gram-2 grams a day. Considering I am a longtime user of other things, I assumed I could just guess correctly. Well...... I got a scale finally and put my eyeballed dose on it. 5 grams. I have been taking 5 grams a day, at least. And typically a little more at night What do I do, I'm so scared about coming off because I have a difficult time in my head as is. Any guidance, support, suggestions or anything. Or even just someone to say it's gonna be okay because idek if I'm ready to stop but that realization just fucking terrified me..

TLDR; recovering addict turns to phenibut, accidentally began daily use eyeballing 1-2 gs. Got a scale and found out I've been taking >5gs a day.

For the past year or so I have taken Phenibut occasionally for a little boost or social anxiety relief. Maybe a gram or 1.5 gram in a day and then not again for a few weeks or even months. During this time i would somewhat regularly be taking Kratom, about 2-2.5 grams a day with some breaks

A couple weeks ago I found myself in a situation that triggered and activated some previous complex trauma in me. It basically resulted in activating my limbic system and I was in fight/flight state 24 hours a day. If you have ever been there you know what a nightmare this is and how excruciating painful. Looking for some relief I started taking Phenibut daily, usually 750 mg twice a day along with uppping my Kratom to 10-12 grams at the worst times. Its been about two weeks since the absolute worst parts. I have dropped my kratom down to 8 grams currently but still seem to need the daily phenibut as when I try to taper down the anxiety starts to creep in and those fight/flight mode feelings. I am hoping that as I heal it will subside more and this need for it will also subside, but having read so many horror stories about addiction and tolerance I am concerned I will pass a point of no return and be stuck in that cycle.

I don't have a focused question per se just looking for anyones experiences or thoughts etc. What have your experiences been like if you have used it for similar purposes? What was your tipping point for rebound anxiety and tolerance look like for you?

Thanks so much for any comments

So I've been off of pheni for a while now, but my buddy that I helped taper and jump off at 500mg, is having the worst glutimate storm after 4 weeks of being off the shit. Hasn't touched any gabaergic drugs in those 4 weeks

So because all these horrible stories here are for sure giving a lot of people who take phenibut a lot of anxiety when thinking about to quit it (at least it gave me), I want to share how it went for me.

I was taking phenibut as a daily (maybe bit stupid) enhancement for about three quarters of a year. I never upped my dose but from what i read here my dose actually was kinda high. I took 1-2 g, two times a day with at least 12-14 hours in between the doses. ! I dont know the purity of the pheni i took and also i always spilled some so maybe its less! Sometimes i forgot one. I didn't feel anything anymore and actually the last month i was just taking it because i as afraid of the withdraw. Because i didn't want to rely on taking something i decided to at least quit the daily intake (wich of cause means i need to stop it for a while). I wanted to taper off, so I took first 1 dose off and just did 1 g on that day. On the next day when it was almost 24 hours till i last took, i didn't feel any withdrawal, so i decided to just not take it again. And actually i was a bit anxious, not because i got rebound (if never had Anxiety problems) but because i have read all these story's that got me a bit scared for what is to come (really just a bit). So the days passed and i as waiting for a withdrawal to hit. But if i am honest the most i felt was like being on like 80 % the normal well-being. I felt a little bit off and couldn't fall asleep as fast as i normally can. But nothing that i couldn't attribute to placebo or a self fulfilling prophecy. Yesterday (day 5 after stopping it) i felt 100 % normal again (if the effects where withdrawal) and today is even better (I am having a blast of a day).

I dont want this post to encourage anyone to take it or to downplay the seriousness of the danger of this drug but i want to shed some light on a story where withdrawal wasn't a trip out of hell. Again everyone is different and maybe im just lucky. Also i never had serious mental health issues I wanted to treat with phenibut. Also i dont know how legit my stuff was. I dont encourage cold turkey withdrawal!!! As said i wanted to taper too but sometimes it just comes different as planed. Maybe this post can give some hope for people who are more scared then they should be.

As a last reminder: If you take high doses dont COLD TURKEY and try to have some help (medical) when attempting to withdrawal!

Hi all,

I haven’t done phenibut in months and I did phenibut, not fphenibut, for 4 days with 1 day off and another day after that. So nearly 5 days straight. The first phenibut free day I was crying unconditionally and I haven’t slept longer than an hour for the last two days. I am worried as I have a lot going on and this is killing me. Does anyone know if the withdrawal is like day for day or if anyone has been through something like a binge if they could help me out please.

I tried phenibut to see what all the Hullabaloo was about and it honestly wasn’t that great of a feeling and the next day/ meaning today I have experience being nauseous and throwing up and extremely tired and irritable. Yesterday was my first time trying and I did about 1800mg and really didn’t feel all that great just really tired. It’s not worth going through these feelings and being ill. Don’t try this drug it’s pointless and makes you very ill when you stop! I hate this drug!

Hi all,

I’ve been trying to get off a small 250mg daily dose of phenibut now for over a month and I have made progress as I’m down to 120mg, I am growing increasingly agitated and angry especially 4 hours after having my daily dose and this gets much worse if I go two days without dosing to see how my brain reacts. I was taking 250mg in capsule form daily for nearly two months for treatment resistant depression, CPTSD and Anxiety as I had tried 11+ medications which barely made a dent of a difference. I’m now undergoing Ketamine nasal therapy and it has made a good difference but it’s being held back by getting off this bloody drug!

To make matters even worse I’ve recently had a disgustingly selfish and obnoxious upstairs neighbour move in and they LITERALLY don’t stop moving for 13+ hours of the day. Shuffling, stomping, banging and moving crap from one end of their apartment to the other. The noise is driving me up the wall I’ve had it. Yesterday was day 2 of no Phenibut and I was so angry and aggressive, exactly on the 48 hour mark when I’d usually dose that when washing my car, I was getting frustrated at the drying towel and threw it on the ground and stomped on it…. I’m never, ever usually like this especially with the tantrum behaviour! I had 120mg soon after and I was my old self again. So I know it’s the phenibut!

How can I go about this to be as comfortable and sane as possible? I’m sensitive to GABA drugs as I kicked a daily Valium habit three months ago which was utter hell, but with phenibut I find the symptoms of anger and irritability to be far worse!

I have been tapering off of .4 f-phenibut and had tried going cold turkey, which lead to terrible anxiety and multi day insomnia but today I decided to see how long I could go without phenibut and so far have felt no withdrawals, I’ve got my dose down to .2 of f-phenibut and it’s been around 13 hours since I’ve dosed and I’ve threw up 10 hours ago due to Kratom that I took for an injury so there is no phenibut in my system. Did I get really lucky or is there just a delay?

I’m currently in the hospital but they won’t medicate me until I go into withdrawal. I took my last dose around midnight and it’s currently 10am est. When should I expect the withdrawal to hit?

I’ve been experiencing rebound withdrawal due to a rather high (~.4s a day f-phen =~2g normal) dose for consecutive days. I tried cold turkey and expierenced terrible anxiety, panic attacks and chronic insomnia. I’ve since tried tapering but found that if I get sleep, the anxiety is very manageable so I if I can find a way to sleep I can quit cold turkey, any suggestions?

Hello friends! I’m amazed I’m able to say this, but today is 90 days 100% phenibit-free.

I used ~4 GPD for years until November when I started my taper. I made some big cuts and then tapered 50 mg daily until I got down to 400 mg and jumped.

Some things feel back to “normal” and my brain is definitely still recalibrating.

Through the process of quitting the past 6 months, so many truths and symptoms have been revealed and uncovered. What I’m discovering is how much phenibut was covering up and masking around my bipolar disorder, energy, vitamin levels and other deficiencies.

Phenibut acted as a stimulant for me, the way I used it, most of the time. So removing that stimulation has left my brain in the lurch. Now it’s time to figure out why and how to fix it.

The gift of this quit has been reassessing the use of all intoxicants in my life, as well as my prescribed medications. I’m working with both my primary care physician and my psychiatric doctor to reassess my needs.

I want to be clean to experience life without some fake chemical haze. Phenibut amped me up and made me a bull in a china shop socially, even if I felt great at the time.

The desire to be free of drugs like this has continued for me as I also quit a huge kratom habit 30 days into my phenibit quit.

Now I am assessing the role of all the substances in my life. I feel excited and inspired to keep forging ahead and making healthy choices. I’ve become super focused on HEALING. My body and mind are desperate to be healed after years of abuse.

I’m building up my iron and my vitamin D. I’m quitting caffeine and taking a break from cannabis.

I’m so so excited to see what more is revealed. None of it is fun or comfortable but I’m amazed at the strength I possess to make these changes. Being successful at my phenibut quit has really made me feel powerful and capable - maybe that’s the greatest gift of all.

Best of luck to everyone quitting today. It’s so hard and so worth it. Stick with it and do whatever you have to in order to break free. You deserve it. You deserve to feel free and happy on the other side!

We can do this!

So I’ve been taking 10-15 grams of Phenibut a day for about a month and I believe it has turned on me. I’m shaking sweating and feel like I’m in withdrawal even though I’ve taken more than my normal dose. What do I do now??

I had been using phenibut for back to back for 3 total weeks, 2 weeks have been a taper, I went from .4g down to .2 with no withdrawal under a week, went most the day without until evening when I’d developed very mild anxiety, but once I got into the .1 I got rebound from only 1 drink, I was wide awake while exhausted and had mild anxiety that got worst due to me provoking it with stressors. I don’t want to give up alcohol competently and I’ve only had phenibut relatively short term so I assume I should recover faster than most, but how long should I wait, 1 month, 2month? And what can I or do to speed up the process?

I've been off phenibut for about 10 days. I'm taking small doses of gabapentin, about 75 mg of baclofen a day, and pretty much every supplement that has ever been suggested on this subreddit. Most side effects have not been all that bad with the exception of insomnia due to restless arms. During the night, I'm feeling pins and needles on my arms that make it impossible sleep. I only slept three hours last night and it sucks. From experience, I know kratom will fix this, but I'm trying to stay off kratom as well. My wife and I are trying for a baby, and I feel like more kratom will harm my testosterone levels and therefore my sperm count. Also, I know I have an addictive personality and will have trouble to sticking to just enough kratom to help me sleep at night.

Does anyone have any reassurances that the pins and needles feeling on my arms at night will go away sometime soon?

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I’m absolutely tired of my boyfriend. I have supported his tapering off for months and at this point I’m fed up I could use support as to how to not feel this way because I do love him. He’s down to half a gram and going down everyday and feels like shit he used to do up to 20gpd but more recently came down from 5-6 daily.

I’m sick today and he wants to spend our money on kratom to feel better when we haven’t even paid our electric bills and or WiFi. I’ve taken care of him for months tapering and he offered me some lousy soup as an excuse to leave the house to go get kratom to help with his withdrawals. A person can only take so much until they don’t feel sorry for you anymore. He keeps saying I’m almost there but I’m not a rehabilitation center. Sometimes I feel like Enough is enough. Like I’m sick of coddling this grown ass man through his addiction. I myself have never been addicted to drugs like this and will never put him through this shit so the unfairness is through the roof. At this point I’m holding on to what love I have left for him hoping this feeling of fed up passes.

Any tips for how to not feel this way towards my partner would be great. I am proud of him for quitting but I didn’t ask him to get back on in the first place. Addiction sucks for the people who have to deal with it.

Anyone else out there?? It's been 9 days. I ended up in the hospital for about 3 days. My dr put me on lorazapam for now. I take it as sparingly as I can considering it is a benzo and I just wanna feel normal and not have to withdrawl off something else as well. I was taking about a bottle or so a day for 3/4 months. Is anyone in the same boat with advice? My main issue has been the crippling anxiety, racing heart, burning chest, numbness in arms, pain in my legs and shortness of breath. They also put me on a cholesterol medicine and an adult chewable asprin. I added magnesium , vitamin b complex and vitamin D. How long until I'm ME again! I'm trying to keep my job but I have to stop and sit constantly and have zero strength.