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Stevie Wonder's Hidden Pentatonics?

Jazz piano noob here. I just watched this video and couldn't get what's the hidden music theory about the pentatonic scale. Does he mean "the hidden pentatonics" are just playing the pentatonic scale over the chords which the root note is different but sounds good in some parts? Any music theory to layer the pentatonic scale?

https://youtu.be/ADW7zVSHIbM?si=vqkG-sHyn5D3q4IG

0 Comments
2024/07/25
02:59 UTC

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What chord am I going for here?

I’m doing a little reharmonizing exercise of Amazing grace. Right at the yellow line, I really like how F Bb G E sound, but I can’t really tell what chord it is. Hopefully someone here knows?

6 Comments
2024/07/25
02:14 UTC

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Is there a way you can find songs that use the same musical devices as another song (same melody, chord progression etc)

I was thinking a website or AI where you would put in a song and it would make a playlist of other songs that use a similar sound that spans across genres. This would help people ear train and give them music recommendations.

2 Comments
2024/07/25
01:56 UTC

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What's your process for exploring new sounds?

I've been messing around more with and without thinking about theory, and am curious as to what some of your processes are.

Something theory wise I always like doing it just picking a chord to throw the secondary dominant in, and seeing how it sounds. Or just a secondary chord of a random chord in a progression, not necessarily the dominant.

Other than that, and just messing around with different variants of the chords, I don't have many other ways I explore from a theory perspective.

2 Comments
2024/07/25
01:01 UTC

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looking for youtube series/podcast that could be used while working

Hey all,

I work a repetitive job where we're allowed to use headphones, and I decided I want to try to dust off what little music theory I know while continuing to learn more

Can anyone recommend a good "learn music theory" podcast or youtube series that is mostly audio-based (can't look at the screen much while working)?

Thank you!

2 Comments
2024/07/25
00:54 UTC

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Thundercat's Them Changes: How could one interpret this progression in terms of functional harmony?

Bmaj7 | Gm7 | G#m7 | F7sus4 | D#7sus4

I have no clue. Any help is appreciated!

21 Comments
2024/07/24
21:50 UTC

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rests in compound time??

i was doing some theory and came across one of the "fill in the missing beats with rests" questions. it was in compound time, (specifically 9/8) and i'm relatively new to the concept so i've been wondering: if beats 2 and 3 cannot be combined, can pulses 2 and 3 of a single beat be combined??

1 Comment
2024/07/24
20:32 UTC

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Struggling to convert my music to sheet

I'm making little riffs on my guitar and trying to figure out what time and what notes they would be using guitar pro software but I'm struggling as I'm not really educated to much on theory. I know a small amount. Any tips to develop this skill?

3 Comments
2024/07/24
18:59 UTC

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Microtonal Bass Line

For fun, I was doing a midi remake of Valerie by Mark Ronson. I like transition notes/chords, but how am I supposed to transition from G to G#... with G half-sharp of course! I've never used microtones before and I was sceptical that it would sound good, but it actually does to my ear. Here's just the bass, and everything together.

I'm just wondering if anyone else has come across anything like this? Do any popular songs use anything like this? How does it work in the context of a song that is otherwise entirely 12-tone equal temperament?

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2024/07/24
18:58 UTC

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Most commonly used keys in modern Greek music, as well as their music from 20th century?

Hi guys, can someone please tell me at least some of their most used keys for writing? I'm also wondering which key would a bouzuki be in? And if these keys aren't any of usual ones, is there any very similar to them?

3 Comments
2024/07/24
18:34 UTC

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How do music Schools and Universites in England work?

My sister and I are working on one comic project, where main characters are in a kind of music school/university in Edinburg. I am a musician myself, but I didn't go to music school, so I have no idea what usually happens there. Do people have only an Audition there, or do they also write an exam? What lessons do they usually have? How often do concerts happen? How do scholarships work there? Do they have strict uniforms? How do groups/classes work?

We want to make the comic as realistic as possible.

5 Comments
2024/07/24
17:26 UTC

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What is the relationship between literature and (classical) music?

today I was talking to my Portuguese teacher about my desire to go to music college. So she said I should start reading more because there is a connection between music and (classical) literature, and it was important because at the beginning of the course, according to her, we analyzed songs more than composing them. is this right?

31 Comments
2024/07/24
15:58 UTC

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How to think of this progression?

So basically I can think of this in 2 ways but I'm not sure whether or not the way Im thinking of it is appropriate

So the piece is in C major and for the first bar in the picture, I hear it as such. But after the Bb, I start hearing and thinking of the music in F. The 2nd bar has this progression, G half dim 7 - C7 - F. So I'm thinking and seeing that as ii half dim 7 - V7 - I in F. Then when the B natural appear in the next bar, I start thinking of it in C again.

So basically I see it as in C, then the flat 7 pulls me to the 4th, to F and then later, the sharp 4 (relative to F) takes me to the 5th which is C again. So I'm basically thinking of the modulations here primarily in relation to what appeared to be the previous tonic.

Basically, sometimes I get confused and struggle to keep track of where I feel the tonic. Sometimes, a single applied chord appears but it feels transient and does not feel as if it has really shifted the tonic to the chord it resolves to but sometimes it does. Sometimes it feels like it has for a moment but the next chord no longer sounds that way. In this particular case it does feel as if it is in F for the bar and a half.

Can anyone tell me whether or not this is normal and I should just go with whatever it feels like to me or should I follow some theoretical determinants on whether or not to look at it as if I have temporarily modulated or what

9 Comments
2024/07/24
14:40 UTC

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What is the relationship and function between these chords?

I’ve been analysing some of Miles Davis songs and Flamenco Sketches has this progression:

C Ionian Ab Mixolydian Bb Ionian D Phrygian Gm Dorian

Would it be a modulation? And if so, do you still see it as:

C Tonic Ab Dominant Bb Tonic D Mediant Gm Sub dominant

Thanks

6 Comments
2024/07/24
14:09 UTC

44

What chord is this? Functionally

30 Comments
2024/07/24
13:27 UTC

0

What do you call a song with lyrics AND instrumentals?

I’m looking for a specific type of song but I keep getting instrumental songs, so I think I need to specify with lyrics AND instrumentals, but I don’t know what it’s called. Does anyone know?

21 Comments
2024/07/24
12:21 UTC

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Alto and treble clef

Does anyone know any good website or have any PDFs with examples of chorales or melodies written in any of 5 C clefs (soprano, mezzosoprano, alto, tenor, baritone), I am preparing for solfeggio competition and I need to sing in those clefs. I know how they funcition, I just need something for practicing reading melodies in those clefs. Thank you!

7 Comments
2024/07/24
11:31 UTC

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PhD Experiences?.... - Starting 2025 - Work Life Balance, any thoughts, greatly appreciated, cheers!!!!

Hey legends, will be starting my PhD next year in Australia (if all goes to plan with admission/scholarship and such) after getting the marks I needed in the Honours Program.

I'm also an active performer touring quite often with various bands, projects, workshops, teaching etc.

I guess as the attempted wearer of many hats, I'm wondering if there are any heavily prac based research/PhD humans on here who could discuss their experience with juggling creative projects, PhD workload and the like.

For context, I'm a drummer/composer/teacher/arts administrator primarily and will be looking at The Art of Conduction (Butch Morris) and how this can be used as a tool to facilitate new creative practice and artistic discovery. I guess looking at the cross-section of improvised-non improvised music and how these two realms can work together for fruitful creative expeditions.... Thanks for your time and would love to hear your thoughts....

3 Comments
2024/07/24
11:09 UTC

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How can you know what notes do mixo lydian include?

for example, like A mixo lydian scale

14 Comments
2024/07/24
09:53 UTC

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Microtonal Ear Trainer (again!)

I'm writing this post to bother you once more with my microtonal ear trainer which sits at https://www.chord-book.com/ear\_training/main.html...

I would like to send thanks in the air, to the person who used the tuning suggestion box to warn me of a bug that made all instrument choices turn to Clarinet... I had recently turned all JavaScript variable declarations to code automatically spit out via PHP and the following line :

trainer_vars['{$tuning}']['sounds'][{$timber_array_rank}]['name'] = '{$timbers[$timber_array_rank]}';";

was like this :trainer_vars['{$tuning}']['sounds'][{$timber_array_rank}]['name'] = 'clarinet';";

...resulting in the bug that probably bothered more than one person judging by the amount of results gathered in the last few weeks (3k guesses a day on July 13th and 14th; Thanks of all my visitors :)

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2024/07/24
09:48 UTC

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Please, tell me how chords work on guitar so I can play them without memorizing

Hello guys, last month I bought an spanish guitar and it works wonderfully. I learned how to play melodies and now I'm getting into chords.

The fact is I'm not new to music theory and I know I can build chords knowing the 1st, 3rd and 5th, 7th... of the scale or by looking at the distances on semitones depending if it's major or minor (at least that's the way I see it, if I'm wrong please correct me), without having to memorize thousands of them. But when I look at guitar chords, they're mostly not triads. They sometimes even include the whole 6 strings of the guitar, maybe repeating the same notes of the original triad in different octaves? e.g C Major it's C, E and G. But in guitar it's C3, E3, G3, C4 and E4.

Basically what I see is that chords in guitar are more "harmonised" than in piano by the use of more of the same notes of the triad in different octaves, but I don't know if this is a general rule or if I'm missing something out. Please, explain to me how chords work on guitar.

21 Comments
2024/07/24
08:52 UTC

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Tremolo Picked Triplets in Sheet Music (Guitar Pro, MuseScore, etc.)

If you're like me, you like writing ferocious tremolo rhythms but also don't like notes crammed into a bar on the page, especially with triplets. It's taken some time, but I've recently found the method to notate tremolo picking with triplets.

Figure 1: A 16th note run can be easily converted into larger note value with the use of the double hash mark, indicating tremolo picking; 1 dash for 8th, 2 dashes for 16th, 3 dashes for 32nd. Figure 2: In the case of 16th note triplets, the use of dotted note values can maintain the triplet feel while tremolo picking. Figure 3: If the piece calls for 16th note triplets for a dotted quarter note duration, the use of a half note tied to a 16th note triplet can represent the timing.

Hope this helps whoever struggles to keep their tabs/sheet music tidy while indicating the use of tremolo picking, even in odd situations.

2 Comments
2024/07/24
06:28 UTC

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Why does this progression works so good? 6min7 (without a 5th) 4 -5 -1

for all the pros out there. im really curious why this chord progression sounds good. basically its a 6451 chord progression, but im curious for this scenario. There is this song im trying to study called fifteen by goldroom (oxford remix) its in D with a 6451 chord progression but somehow the 6 is a minor7 but without the 5th (f#) so its just D A and B. which sounds good when the 1 as the 4th chord loops back again to the 6min7 without a 5th as the first chord. I'd appreciate any help. this song is such an ear candy for me. Thank you

here is the youtube link of the song: https://youtu.be/Yq5t_TBZq1I

5 Comments
2024/07/24
08:28 UTC

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What harmony use modern classical composers?

I mean very modern, ~21 century and those who is writing in a usual style (tonal, old music piece forms).
Any books on that?

it seems there is very little information available, as well ad they are mostly not known

7 Comments
2024/07/24
07:40 UTC

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Identifying an unusual time signature

Hi all, I'm struggling to identify the time signature of this particular song:

Sweet Trip - Walkers Beware, We Drive Into The Sun https://youtu.be/yLzPAsdwyto?si=JH-NYvMHh5SjfYA8

So I've counted 6 beats for the first three bars, but on the fourth bar there are 8 beats, before returning to a pattern of 6.

Would you call this 6/8? It doesn't really sound like other examples of 6/8. Does the time signature change on the fourth bar?

Thank you guys so much!

5 Comments
2024/07/24
06:59 UTC

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Can anyone recommend a good theory book for learning Romantic Period style chromatic harmony?

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5 Comments
2024/07/24
06:15 UTC

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Learning music theory for making music

Hi, Im sorry this is probably an easy question to answer. I think i might just be overthinking things. But recently ive been trying to make music on a daw because i want to start making my own music. I think i might be stuck because i cant memorize what key i im in. Its probably because ive only ever played guitar.

Im alright at making melodies even though they might be terrible amd then with chords and just figure what im hearing in my head and slide around since everything kinda just has a shape and after that just figure out the root note and youre good. After that i can just try to figure out what key i might be in by seeing all the notes i played afterwards.

Now everything is in a keyboard format. Melodies are fine but chords feel like hell because i dont know what key im trying to write in so i cant be like "oh im looking for this chord". I try playing whats in my head and and just make a jumble of a chord. Its hard because i could try to restrict my self to a key so i can know that only these notes will make the chords i might be looking for but then maybe its not what im actually trying to do.

Right now im trying to kind of force keys into my head. Im trying to recreate a song that i like and then make my own little piece of music with the same key.

Maybe its just that i need to to figure out how to make chords for each note since everything is so linear now. But either way i just i want to know some things that could be useful when trying to make something

7 Comments
2024/07/24
03:03 UTC

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F minor scale with Gb??

Hi y'all!
Just thought this community would be the perfect place to ask this!
Is there a name or a specific pattern that has Gb note included in the F minor scale instead of the usual G? Everything else is exactly the same as natural minor scale.

Thank you in advance for your help! :D

16 Comments
2024/07/24
02:46 UTC

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