if the Veil was the gateway to the afterlife, could the soul in the Horcrux die instantly?

Hi there I have a Harry Potter goblet of fire and order of phoenix first edition It does not have the print number listed below like the other books do have 10 down to 1 or it is missing this part. Is it a first edition first print or first edition later print?

Listening to OotP and just got to the part where they meet at the Hog's Head and sign the list. And then I realized something. What better place to start Dumbledore's Army than in the presence of Dumbledore? Though, not Albus.

It's also kinda neat that this place would be involved yet again when Neville reforms Dumbledore's Army in book 7.

In Order of the Phoenix, the entrance chamber to the Department of Mysteries has twelve doors. One connects it with the rest of the Ministry. Harry and the others visit rooms through it that are dedicated to death, time, space, and thought. (I’m not counting the Hall of Prophecy since it was accessed through the Time Room.) Dumbledore also tells Harry that another one is dedicated to love.

That leaves six other doors and rooms. As near as I can tell, Rowling has never said what’s studied in them. I’d love to hear some speculation and theories about what they might contain.

The explanations that don't work:

1. "Voldemort didn't kill Harry": Draco, Harry, Dumbledore, and Grindelwald all became masters of the Elder Wand without killing its previous master. Also, it's debatable anyway whether Harry died and came back or never actually died, but it doesn't even matter.

2. "Voldemort didn't disarm Harry of the Elder Wand specifically": Harry became master of the Elder Wand by just physically grabbing another wand (not the Elder Wand) out of Draco's hands without even using magic, and not even in the presence of the Elder Wand either. Grindelwald became master of the Elder Wand just by stunning its master at the time while Grindelwald himself held the Elder Wand.

3. "Voldemort didn't disarm Harry": Grindelwald became master of the Elder Wand just by stunning its master, not by disarming him, while Grindelwald himself physically held the Elder Wand. The second master of the Elder Wand just knifed the first owner in his sleep to become its master.

4. "Harry didn't even try to fight Voldemort in that moment, so it doesn't count as a defeat": Dumbledore just willingly let Draco disarm him in the Astronomy Tower for Draco to become master of the Elder Wand.

So, with those explanations excluded, why is it that Voldemort did not become master of the Elder Wand after hitting Harry with the killing curse in the Forbidden Forest?

Does anybody get annoyed at how Harry didn’t try to just touch the Thestrals when he first saw them?? Or make Ron touch them so that he could see that something was there. And I’m guessing the Thestrals make SOME sound as they walk, so how come nobody ever noticed, or even knew, that they were there??

Do you guys think that Snape and Lupin talked to each other/ got along when Lupin was a teacher at Hogwsrts too in Poa?

Agree to disagree...but I think kreacher has the best redemption arc once the trio get to the bottom of his problem. He becomes so willing and polite to them. He even cleans up and cooks. I really hope harry fixed the place and stayed there with his family and didn't abandon kreacher the way the blacks disappeared.

I’m listening to CoS again, and it really has a special place in my little fan heart.

It’s the first time we see the Wizarding world outside Hogwarts (the Burrow) and I love how the Weasleys are the ones who kind of usher Harry (us) through all of it.

Plus the basilisk is very huge jump from Quirrel I’m terms of danger (imo).

Anyways, I just wanted to show it a little love.

I am listening to OOTP again and something just occurred to me. I’m surprised that Charlie didn’t come to see his father. Arthur almost died and he would have had JKR not changed her mind.

I’m not sure how long it would have taken him to get to London from Romania but you’d think he would have come.

Also, why didn’t Mad Eye use an eyepatch to cover his eye? It wouldn’t have mattered - he still could have seen through it.

I OFTEN THINK OF THIS:

Imagine that Voldemort's powerful now. You don't know who his supporters are, you don't know who's working for him and who isn't; you know he can control people so that they do terrible things without being able to stop themselves. You're scared for yourself, and your family, and your friends. Every week, news comes of more deaths, more disappearances, more torturing... The Ministry of Magic's in disarray, they don't know what to do, they're trying to keep everything hidden from the Muggles, but meanwhile, Muggles are dying too. Terror everywhere... panic... confusion... that's how it used to be.

I was really disappointed that Moody was killed off so early in DH. After not having much to do in OOTP and virtually being nonexistent in HBP, I thought we were actually going to see more of him. But in the end, it was like we got to know the fake one better than the real one.

In book 4, we learn that Fleur's wand was made using veela hair. Her grandmother's in fact. Is there a possibility that Fleur's grandmother provides another one of her hairs for Gabrielle's wand before she starts school?

This always bothered me. How vague she was about it.

"Severus Snape?" Mad-Eye Moody's voice whispered out of the darkness, making all three of them jump back in fright. "We're not Snape!" croaked Harry, before something whooshed over him like cold air and his tongue curled backward on itself, making it impossible to speak. Before he had time to feel inside his mouth, however, his tongue had unraveled again. The other two seemed to have experienced the same unpleasant sensation. Ron was making retching noises; Hermione stammered, "That m-must have b-been the T-Tongue-Tying Curse Mad-Eye set up for Snape!"

Gingerly Harry took another step forward. Something shifted in the shadows at the end of the hall, and before any of them could say another word, a figure had risen up out of the carpet, tall, dust-colored, and terrible; Hermione screamed and so did Mrs. Black, her curtains flying open; the gray figure was gliding toward them, faster and faster, its waist-length hair and beard streaming behind it, its face sunken, fleshless, with empty eye sockets: Horribly familiar, dreadfully altered, it raised a wasted arm, pointing at Harry. "No!" Harry shouted, and though he had raised his wand no spell occurred to him. "No! It wasn't us! We didn't kill you — " On the word kill, the figure exploded in a great cloud of dust: Coughing, his eyes watering, Harry looked around to see Hermione crouched on the floor by the door with her arms over her head, and Ron, who was shaking from head to foot, patting her clumsily on the shoulder and saying, "It's all r-right... It's g-gone..." Dust swirled around Harry like mist, catching the blue gaslight, as Mrs. Black continued to scream. "Mudbloods, filth, stains of dishonor, taint of shame on the house of my fathers — " "SHUT UP!" Harry bellowed, directing his wand at her, and with a bang and a burst of red sparks, the curtains swung shut again, silencing her. "That... that was ..." Hermione whimpered, as Ron helped her to her feet. "Yeah," said Harry, "but it wasn't really him, was it? Just something to scare Snape." Had it worked, Harry wondered, or had Snape already blasted the horror-figure aside as casually as he had killed the real Dumbledore?"

Literally until the last word I had no clue what the hell it was supposed to be. Why the heck couldn't Rowling be more clear? I mean, I appreciate that she's trying to treat readers as intelligent (as opposed to saying Harry was among a group we knew he was part of, in POA), but not all of us our on par with Hermione's level of brilliance. Sometimes we kind of need things to be explained.

There is a moment in the beginning on the Hogwarts Express when Fred and George say to Harry and Ron.-"We’ve been going to Hogwarts for a year now. You’ll have a great time."

However, the twins have been going to Hogwarts for two years at that point.

I tried searching for it but no websites or threads mentioned it. Kinda thought I was going crazy lmao.

Edit: I am really going crazy. Confused between Quidditch and academic years.

“The one we’ve all been waiting for,” said George. “We know Oliver’s speech by heart,” Fred told Harry, “we were on the team last year.”

This is the correct quote. Sorry and Cheers

This is a character I'm surprised we never met in the books (or any Potter media).

On the one hand, based on what we heard in OOTP, it seems he's the one Neville gets his love of herbology for, which is cool. On the other, the thing everyone remembers him for is the story in PS, which paints him as just as bad as Uncle Vernon, if not worse.

I added a personality section for Uncle Algae on the Harry Potter wiki, saying he was a cruel man, but it kept getting removed. Apparently, some people don’t interpret him as cruel or abusive. That, and the fact that Neville doesn't seem particularly traumatized or bothered when relating the aforementioned incident, makes me honestly wonder who he really is.

I was disapointed that Neville apparently didn’t bring his plant from OOTP to school in HBP or DH. It was kind of cool looking when and by the end of OOTP it was making cute crooning noises when touched, meaning Neville had gotten it to stop spraying that stinksap stuff. Like when that girl Romilda came by in HBP they could have had her make fun of him for his plant instead of searching for Trevor (yet again).

I find it kind of sad that no one really seems to like Colin and Dennis. I mean, I’ve seen Colin called the scrappy. Sure, he could have been developed more, in fact I think it would have been really nice if he and Dennis had, considering they could have easily proved to be loyal to Harry. Remember when they were trying to fix those “Potter Stinks” badges?

Also, on TV Tropes they aren’t listed as being “Moe” when they’re clearly designed to be this, yet Neville is.

” Neville himself. Between his wimpy, bullied, but plucky Woobie-ness and ButtMonkey-ness, he's every ounce a "Male Moe"”

I’ll probably get some flack for this but Neville has never been a favorite of mine. Yeah, he’s a well-written character and very likeable but he’s never been a favorite of mine, but that doesn’t stop the official section for him on the site saying “ and goes through a lot of great Character Development to become truly awesome”

Which just sounds like weasel wording and making people think they have to like him to be cool. But I’ve strayed from Colin and Dennis, so yeah.

Was anyone else a bit let down that we never got to see more of Firenze as a teacher? During his one lesson we see, he seems to be a pretty interesting divination teacher, and definitely better at it than Trelawney. But Harry stops taking divination after book 5, and Firenze is reduced to voiceless cameos in the last two books. Honestly, you could have the other centaurs accept him back much earlier and it wouldn't change a thing. I'm not surprised that he was left out of the movies after PS.

think Harry was too harsh on Moody after he showed Harry the picture of the original order. Not that he was outwardly harsh, but the fact that he thought Moody was wrong for thinking it was interesting to know who was in the order last time. The narration acts like Harry is right about this and Moody is wrong. I don't like that.

Don't get me wrong, it's terrible what happened to those who didn't make it in the previous war. But to me it felt like Harry thought it was wrong for Moody to even enlighten him on who was in it the last time. I personally like Moody---the real one---and have always thought that Rowling did him dirty by not having him in the series enough. And let's be honest, Harry can be a bit of a jerk in OOTP, even if it's a justified case. And of course I feel like the narration also feels too Harry-biased at times. I get that he's our main character, but having him be pretty much our only point of view when the book isn't being narrated by any actual characters just feels like a bit of waste of having more perspectives. And in cases when Harry is acting like his opinion is the right one or the only one that matters, it's a bit frustrating.

I think a better approach would have been to have Harry, surprised at Moody not being emotional about the people he knew, asks if he misses them, and Moody, after perhaps some hesitation, responds by saying he tries not to get too close with anyone. I think it would help show a little more of who Moody is, but have Harry also come across as his generally likeable self.

If there was a spell that gives you a large long nose, I would have Ron and Sirius (in an alternate scenario where he's cleared) give Snape that first and then Snape's nose would grow bigger and then it's hit and starts bleeding.

Snape says "Look what you did!" and gets a snide "I see no difference" from Ron and Sirius says "Me neither".

Was anyone else bothered by the fact that despite all the deaths of good characters in DH, there wasn't one directly from Voldemort himself? Okay, technically there's Snape, but whether he's truly "good" is a whole debate itself.

Considering he's the main antagonist of the whole series which started right after he'd murderer Harry's parents, and that DH is full of characters dropping like flies, it's only logical that Voldemort would directly kill off a major good character in DH. So why didn't this happen, exactly? Did Rowling make some sort of change to the story along the way?

Honestly, the S.P.E.W. storyline still doesn't make sense to me.

Of course Hermione's heart is in the right place through it all, and after seeing (or in Hermione's case, hearing) of how Dobby reacted to being freed, you can completely understand why she'd initially want to help the kitchen elves. But obviously there's problems with this.

The first is that they don't think like Dobby, they're just not in their right minds. Hermione doesn't seem to truly grasp this and thinks she can just instantly make them see sense about how freedom is a good thing. Again, I understand her point of view, but for someone as smart as she is, I would think she'd understand that it's just not that easy.

The second thing is, by trying to tell them that freedom is better, she's trying to basically make the decision for them rather than allowing them to come to the realization on their own. I think that, rather than trying to tell them that what she's saying is right, a better idea would be to talk to them about the benefits of freedom, making them see it as an option rather than a choice she's wanting them to make.

I'd like to point out the fact that Dumbledore tries his best to treat the elves well. He would gladly free them if they wanted, but he respects what they want. He never forces them to work; they choose to do so because he allows them to make the choice. He's also more than happy to give them wages and time off if they want; they choose not to have it, because he allows them to make the choice. Is it sad that they don't want a better life for themselves? Yes, but because Dumbledore is letting them decide for themselves, they're gaining a better understanding of free will, which will, hopefully lead to them gaining a better understanding of freedom in general.

Unfortunately, Hermione, despite continuing to trust Dumbledore's judgement, doesn't seem to see his relationship with the house-elves as an example of how she can help them. Instead, the storyline continues through two whole books as a throwaway sideplot that seems to borderline on being comedic at times. Hermione goes on a hunger strike initially, which obviously proves pointless, and then there's the S.P.E.W. club. Harry and Ron don't take interest in it, but it's not out of dislike for house-elves---Harry was willing to get Dobby freed, and Ron shows kindness to Dobby later in the book when giving him some socks as a present. While they're not as smart as Hermione, they do seem to realize that at the end of the day, her plan just isn't going to work, something Hermione herself can't seem to grasp.

Now, you'd think there'd be some sort of defining moment where Hermione realizes or explains she's realized that for all it's noble intentions, S.P.E.W.---at least as Hermione has made it---is a lost cause. But no, it just vanishes in book 6 without any mention.

And then, in book 7, we get the kiss between Ron and Hermione. Hermione kisses Ron after he shows some simple consideration of the elves safety, as if he'd hated house-elves prior to this. Even worse is J.K. Rowling's own quote about the scene, "Ron finally got S.P.E.W. and earned himself a snog!"

So basically, Hermione was meant to be right about S.P.E.W. the entire time and Ron merely thinking about the house-elves' safety was him agreeing with her whole campaign.

The storyline is a mess, I'm glad it didn't make it into the films. I don't agree with a lot of things the films did, but I think removing this was the right choice. I felt the kiss between Ron and Hermione happened the way it should have in the books. (I know lots of people will hate me for saying this, though.) I know the new series is going to include it, though...so hopefully it's done in a way that goes about it better.

Did anyone but me think Kreacher turning out to basically be a good character in DH was a bit forced? I get the point Jo was making about how he'd never known kindness and as a result had never truly had the chance to be good.

But the point is, he indirectly caused Sirius's death. Sure, Sirius wasn't exactly nice to Kreacher, but he sure didn't deserve to be killed as a result, and Kreacher never showed any remorse for it that I can remember.

Basically, I don't feel he was set up to be a redeemable character. It felt forced, simply because Jo needed someone to lead the house-elves in the battle, and knew Dobby wasn't going to be around to do it. While this is a storyline I feel had the potential to work well, Kreacher just wasn't the right character to do it with, imo.

I get that Ron has always suffered from having his brothers' hand-me-downs. But I don't know about you, but I've always thought the timing of thus particular quote was kind of bad, considering a mere three fhapters ago he received an amazing pair of omnioculars. I guess Jo forgot about those pretty quickly, since we never see them again after the QWC. (Unless the tent was ransacked by death eaters who took them, but I kind of doubt that.)

When Moody demonstrates the cruciatus curse, Hermione tells him to stop---but it's pretty heavily implied that she's only concerned about Neville and not the poor little spider.

I get that it's traumatizing for Neville, but that poor spider was being physically tortured. How could Hermione not be concerned about it? The only two possible explanations I can come up with are a) this is a case of "what measure is non-human", which seems out-of-character for Hermione, or b) she feels awkward showing concern for an arachnid around Ron. I like this second explanation---it's the only one that makes plausible sense---but I thought I'd bring it up in case anyone has any other theories.

I've always been curious about this. Was he kept in a pet shop for a time before ending up in Ron's family?

It's a detail from PS that seems a bit like early installment weirdness. It makes more sense that he would have always been Ron's pet. Obviously he had no idea that Ron and Harry would become friends, but given that their parents are all Gryffindors, it's likely he believed that the they'd end up in the same house and be roommates.

My guess is that for a brief time, Pettigrew lived in Diagon Alley before ending up as a pet in a pet store. Shortly afterwards, he was bought as a pet for Percy, but purposefully attached himself to Ron and was eventually handed down as Ron's pet. Just an idea.

Yes, there were replacement bearers in OOTP that actually had names. It's pretty easy to forget.

Either way, I've always thought the beaters in OOTP have gotten an jnfair reputation based solely on how they perform. Really, I feel all of the beaters after the twins all get unfairly compared to the twins.

But I feel Andrew and Jack just get unfairly bad reputations just for being poor beaters. For example, their shmoop page reads:

"[Jack] and [Andrew] replace Fred and George Weasley as Beaters on the Gryffindor Quidditch team. They are both pretty appalling. In fact, during the Gryffindor match against Hufflepuff, [Andrew] manages to shriek and fall backwards off his broom when Zacharias Smith comes flying towards him. It doesn't get much more embarrassing than shrieking in fear during game play."

I want to mention that they were the BEST of the truly appalling group of players that tried out, so I think they're given an unfairly hard time.

This passage in Deathly Hallows is very strange.

"And now everything was cool and dark: The sun was barely visible over the horizon as he glided alongside Snape, up through the grounds toward the lake. "I shall join you in the castle shortly," he said in his high, cold voice. "Leave me now." Snape bowed and set off back up the path, his black cloak billowing behind him. Harry walked slowly, waiting for Snape's figure to disappear. It would not do for Snape, or indeed anyone else, to see where he was going. "

It doesn't make sense that the narration is using Harry's name here. As we see from the next scene where Voldemort breaks into Dumbledore's grave, it's clearly Voldemort.

It's not as confusing as the dust-jinx figure thing, but it's still a very, very bizarre thing that I'm surprised no one seems to have picked up on before.

So we have to assume that Voldemort-Quirrel somehow bumps into Petunia away from privet drive as I don't think they could enter there.

In general I think the protection at private drive is a separate spell by dumbldore built upon Lily's sacrifice. I'm pretty sure voldemort said it was dumbledores work and Moody says it's Harrys mother's charm. It works on where Lily's blood resides but only whilst harry considers it his official residence and only nits 17. Whereas the original counter curse doesn't have those limits.

The protection from Voldemorts touch was due to a blood magic deal for Harry's life for Lily's so I can't see that extending to Petunia. Same with the 'love crux'. So sorry Petunia, I think you are getting cooked in both scenarios!