I'm kind of bothered by some of the discourse around the FL in LBFD because there are male main characters who are just like her, without the feminine presentation, and nobody bats an eye. Bilbo Baggins has also never left his hometown and his house is his happy place. He seems harmless and he's definitely not a fighter (like his dwarven companions) but he is clever and uses guile to accomplish his goals. Yet he's also embarrassed by this, and thinks of himself as a very dignified and proper Hobbit. He feels intense homesickness frequently--the narrative repeatedly comments: "not for the last time!" Bilbo isn't an innocent, but he is rather ignorant of the world outside Hobbiton. He has to level up on the road, acquiring magic objects that assist him in his quest.

Now I'm not suggesting a pastiche here and the characters aren't completely alike. Orchid is very emotionally perceptive and has very strongly held beliefs and values that drive her actions. Whereas Bilbo is being nudged all along by Gandalf, the wise old wizard whom he loves and respects.

One thing I like about LBFD is that the characters are both more mature, but navigating a relationship for the first time. We see them continually have conflicts and work through them, have conflicts and work through them, using as much emotional intelligence as each of them is capable of bringing to bear on the situation. It's notable because often xianxia dramas have characters who are supposed to be hundreds of years old, but act very immature.

I'll admit the first time I watched this drama I wasn't in the best place emotionally and I really watched it in the context of having binged a LOT of trash and thinking this was just more trash that had to hit all the stupid notes and get paid. The show got my grudging respect by the end of it (of course I really did love the visuals and art direction from the beginning; they really took things to a higher level). On rewatch, I can see I was really blind and seeing the show through anger goggles. It's very unusual in a romance drama to see realistic (not concocted) conflicts and very nuanced and realistic (and respectful) communication. Of course the ML is a murderer and can be a bit rude at times, especially when he has no empathy, but this isn't one of those "red flags are sexy wink wink" kind of dramas. I've noticed that when they argue, they give each other the space to express themselves and they don't force answers or conclusions, but let the other person think about it and come back around.

Even the storytelling in other scenes displays a lot of grace and subtlety, for example when Orchid sees the Moon Tribe women wearing a certain flower and tries to imitate them. There's a lot of different ways those scenes could have been written.

I'm glad that we're all on a LBFD rewatch kick. I was going to let it run in the background for listening practice and ended up watching closely. Which is kind of funny because I thought I would NEVER rewatch this drama (plot too thin, don't like the genre, etc), but it is so good on rewatch. Don't be me, don't limit yourself.

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I love Imperial Coroner and been dying to find another historical Forensic investigation type drama like it. Ended up finding Miss Truth, and it did not disappoint! It was soooo good! Everything I wanted that was like IC, I got more of it in MT. Quick breakdown of the similarities and differences between the 2 dramas...

The plot is about the same in both dramas where ML hold high rank position in investigation and FL is smart/genius forensic/coroner investigator. They both work and solve cases together, with mind mapping analysts and forensic methods. They also both have their own personal mysteries to solve.

The difference between the 2 is mostly the main leads.... IC has the sweet innocent leads/couple which is very different from MT. MT has the arrogant, bold leads that likes to argue and bicker all the time. They work well on solving mysteries/cases but they lack that "like minds think the same" like in IC.

For everything else that IC has, MT has it, but a lot more of it. ML in MT can fight, so there's a lot more action scenes. Romance(s)? Yea there's a lot more of that too >!love triangles +1!< There's more conspiracies, schemes, secrets and mysteries... and of course the drama is much thicker and everywhere in this one, keeps you on suspense most of the time. Some of the cases they work on is different from others I've seen so that was also a bonus.

Overall, while I wait for IC2.... this was a really good drama to fill my craving curious mind with more forensic investigations mysteries till then.

This is the discussion for episode 28 of Blossom so expect spoilers for this episode and those before it. If you are an express viewer please mark any spoilers beyond these episodes.

Episode 28

So I was wrong about the imperial exam being a plot point in the coming episodes, it is over by the 10 minute mark. Song Han won both the written and martial exams, using brutal means for the latter, even breaking someone’s leg. Maybe it was a subtitling issue, but Minister Lu seems to be Minister Mu in these episodes. As a prize for winning, he asks to fight a poisoned Song Mo, ending in a draw, and to marry the princess.

Gu Yu begs the Emperor to not marry the princess to Song Han, it seems those two are very close and often support each other. The Empress suggests titling another woman to princess and having her marry Song Han and plot logic does the rest of the work. Miao An Su is selected (a woman of trade!) and the rank she is given is Gongzhu!! For those unfamiliar this is the highest ‘princess’ rank and whilst historically commoners were given this rank, it was for marriages into foreign kingdoms, not for domestic marriages to a lovechild with good exam scores.

Song Han seems to change his mind about the marriage but Miao An Su says she’s willing and things go ahead. The wedding is awkward, with me being reminded how much I hate Miao An Su’s family, and Song Han imagining people sneering at him from every corner. His paranoia about being murdered also hasn’t stopped and he imagines Miao An Su trying to kill him twice, ending up strangling her. Their wedding night ends there.

Ji Yong knows a storm is coming and advises Dou Zhao to leave Song Mo, but she refuses. He’s the man she loves, and she’ll follow him to the end. I think that after all that has passed between them, Dou Zhao is much more reconciled to dying with Song Mo again, if it comes to it.

A secret evil meeting confirms that the man who killed Song Mo in the past life is Eunuch Wang and Song Han is officially welcomed into the evildoers club.

The residence is tense with Miao An Su’s new status, not helped by the egging on of the Empress’ official who has been sent to Miao An Su’s side. She also has a maid by her side who appears to be one of the women from the dental clinic. Because of the clash of royalty being above nobility vs. family hierarchy I’m pretty sure it was more common for Gongzhu to live in their own residence with their Fuma, so by what (logical) reason they are all in the Duke Ying residence I don’t know. Miao An Su at least has the back bone to stand up for Dou Zhao though.

Miao An Su and Song Han reconcile after the choking incident, but I’m sure we all noticed he only ate the snacks after she did (did Miao An Su notice though?). And their discussion and hug at the end makes me wonder if Miao An Su could be turned away from Dou Zhao after all.

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So I gave into the hype and started watching Blossoms.

Honestly, I get that rebirth and revenge are new trends. It is one that I enjoy very much, in any form. I will eat it up. So I am already super biased. The acting and production are very good, so it just adds to the experience.

BUT

There are a few things just off when it comes to plot logic. Like, the FL is OP for no reason...she doesn't really need to. Like most of the time he have a 'why' when it comes to the rebirth, but here it seems like a fated meeting...like correcting the course so she could marry ML instead. Even then, she doesn't need a spy network or personal guards. Nothing happened to her in the prev timeline for her to be so cautious. [I am only in ep 8, so maybe I will get clarity later, but man she is OP in an annoying way].

Also, why in the world is there ONE provider for paper in the country, and that coincidently happens to be the same company that collects waste paper from almost all families in the capital AND is owned by the niece of a seedy official?

ALSO, WHY IS THE FORMIDABLE DING ARMY SUBDUED IN A SECOND BY A BUNCH OF 'SECRET' ARMY PEOPLE. Two of them happen to be Song Mo's personal guards...and they are taken down by women half their size and experience. Like...huh?

Also...it's a little weird that the emperess's can nephew get arrested fot beating up an officer (who wasn't even on duty) but has the freedom to come in and out of his cell, intimidate an interrogating authority to back off, untie a 'criminal' under interrogation, and just stay in the same prison until his BFF is released...all because someone he never met and had no reason to trust told him to? Also why are people accused got beating up and officer and those charged with treason in the same prison?

P.S.: Guys, I have watched it at normal speed with reliable subtitles and my Chinese is good enough that I can recognize what is being said to a certain extent. I am not skipping content and nor am I dumb and missing nuances. My points are still valid regardless. I will continue watching simply cuz it is fun.

As a Cdrama fan who's going to China in a few weeks, I plan to visit the locations where most historical dramas were filmed.

Has anyone here been to Hengdian World Studios? If so, do you know if their student discount also applies to foreigners or only to Chinese residences? Also, when buying a ticket, can I buy directly from their website's online booking or through their WeChat account?

After watching the first episode of Blossom, I got really excited and noticed it only had 3 episodes out so I decided to find the novel to read while it finishes so I can binge it. (This was when it first aired) I'm currently in chapter 200 something and I wanted to share that I wish I had just watched the drama itself 🥲 - I'm in too deep to stop now.

The story starts with Dou Zhao at 1-2.5 years old and I am so glad that episode 1 did not start there! The amount of characters that get introduced, the explanation that came with every single character - I'm exhausted! I've never read a novel so slowly. Has anyone seen a character map for this? Additionally, Songmo does not appear in the book until chapter 115! (400 some chapter to go!)

Many seem to be enjoying the drama so I'm very excited to watch it and see what they cut out and how they fix the narrative to pace it better. Wish me luck powering through this!

Now that Blossoms is a hit and Meng Ziyi and Li Yun Rui were given the opportunity to shine, who else should get a chance to be the leads in a drama? For me, I would love to see Wang Zhou Cheng and Liu Hai Kuan play the leads for once and not be stuck in supporting role hell forever.

I don't know, I saw this in Viki. Is it any good?

First thing to note is that I would not recommend watching that trash. Maybe hate watching but even for that, it‘s trash.

Quick summary: There are two women A and B who are best friends since childhood. A and B give birth to daughters on the same day. 18 years later, B abuses her daughter C until she is always covered in wounds and scars while doting on A‘s daughter D. It is implied that A married into a rich family and is cherished by her husband H while B married into a well off family and is now „raising“ her daughter on her own. B likes to abuse C physically and verbally in front of A. It is implied that C is a dropout while D is a prime candidate to enter Tshinghua University. On the day A‘s family is celebrating D acing her entrance exams, B reveals that she is D‘s biological mother and A is C‘s biological mother. Chaos ensues. People say she can‘t just swoop up a Tshinghua student and that A spent a lot of effort to nurture D. A is calm and quiet. D is shaken and H is oddly shocked immediately in protection mode. Because A is calm, C is angry and blames her for watching her get abused for 18 years and not comforting her now and jumps out of the window. She is injured. People blame A for driving her own daughter to suicide. A reveals that she knew about the switch and now people regard her as even more cold blooded. Then she shows video evidence that B actively swapped children at the hospital. Now H enquires if A is being threatened by B. B reveals that she actually hates A because even though they are best friends, A‘s life is way better than hers. H plays the loving husband until A reveals with evidence that H cheated on her with M (his moonlight) while she was recovering from child birth and that C is a test tube daughter between H and M. H used her as a substitute and surrogate without her knowledge. None of the girls are blood related to her. That‘s why she allowed the switch. H tries to stab A since she ruined her reputation and B takes the hit for A because her life isn‘t as good as she thought it was. B dies for A. H is arrested. When C wakes up, she is informed that she will be placed under CPS and thinks A her biological mother has abandoned her. So she ruins D‘s reputation online and says she is a fake daughter.

D is about to become the top new student but rumors have spread so she runs away. C and her friends bully D because „D stoles C‘s life“, A finds out and saves D. C insists she is A‘s daughter so she should abandon D and take her in and A reveals the truth. A also reveals that she was considering financially supporting C before but because of actions she will not do so. The End.

Rant: I don‘t like how A is blamed. She is not innocent but people are exaggerating her villainy.

First of all, A is a victim by H. Forced surrogacy is rape. She held no responsibility towards C whatsoever. Not only that but she is also the child of her husband‘s mistress that she also had to carry to term. A does not have to like C and has no responsibility towards her. She has every right to hate her. Stating that A had any larger responsibility to protect C than any other adult should is wrong. C is neither A‘s daughter nor her responsibility.

Secondly, A was not the only one who witnessed C‘s abuse and neglect. H witnessed it and told A to distance herself from bad influences, teachers and relative witnessed the abuse and nobody did anything. Not a single person reported the abuse or protect C. The entire system failed her. At least (and that‘s the even the bare minimum) A and D would always criticize B‘s treatment toward C. Nobody else was shown to do that. Everybody else turned a complete blind eye. So didn‘t expect A to be a saint.

Lastly C ruined her own chance. I feel less strong about this point but I will still make it. Abuse does not justify abuse. C and D were admittedly collateral damage in A‘s revenge. BUT that did not give C the right to bully D. Even if she was hurt, D was also a victim.

Quite frankly I can understand why A likes D over C although neither are her own blood. D is a product of her environment and so is C. D was raised in a „loving“ family afforded all the opportunities. Therefore could afford to be nice and kind and most importantly not be a brat. Plus without being clouded by many grudges (after all the child B is abusing isn’t hers), A raised D for 18 years. There’s bound to be some affection.

C on the other hand has been abused by her mother all her life and then the person who provided her with a tiniest bit of warmth turned out to be her mother she became obsessed. Not with D‘s family/ life but only A as a mother. When this person rejected her, she snapped at the other only person who had been kind to her D.

In conclusion don‘t watch this Chinese short Drama it‘s a dumpster fire and doesn‘t make much sense.

So after 2 period dramas, I tried something modern to take a little break, and I saw of clip of this drama somehwere so I just decided to try this out. And it is a good drama. The pacing is great. It does not feel draggy at all. The premise is great as well. The characters are not the best. They are good, don’t get me wrong, but the side characters feel a little bit plain in some scenes. Not a big deal tho. The main characters have depth…..and some stupidity. For those of you have watched this, would know. I am currently on ep 11, and yes the ML has done made some bad decisions by letting his anger take over. But at least the character recognizes it as his fault and is trying to be better. The FL on the other hand has this one “friend” who the ML hates. They have fought multiple times over this friend. And I understand that the ML should be understanding and not trying to control who FL’s friends are, I feel like it would be so much easier for the FL to just end one friendship. I say this only because she is interested in getting back with the ML as well. My only annoyance is that the show recognizes the ML’s problems but never addresses how the FL too could just leave this one slimey friend. And she is so oblivious to his intentions!!! Smh. Anyways, this was my little rant. Thanks for joining!

At first it starts as a typical romance drama and then it gets super dark. There was a scene that even gave me the chills!! The acting of FL is SO GOOD!! This is a good criminal thriller with romance on the side and the typical Doctor FL / Police ML is also a good touch. It deserves more attention.

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\"The Night Banquet\"

Welcome to the episodes discussion post for the currently airing drama "Riverside Code at Qingming Festival"!

Set in the Northern Song Dynasty and in Dongjing city, the lives of a family of five took a dramatic turn when they got accidentally (or was it?) entangled in the Mei Ship case during the Qingming Festival. (Link to MDL)

Premiered: December 16, 2024, Youku & CCTV8
# of Episodes: 26 (First 4 Episodes available for free on YouTube)

Discussion Questions

1. What did you find most surprising?
2. What/who would you like to see more of?
3. What do you think is Qiniang's end goal?
4. Who whispered to the old father at the bath house?

Links: Masterpost | Ep 1 - 5 | 6 - 7 | 8 - 9

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My Impressions/Thoughts

1. Re-introducing: Zhang Qiniang 章七娘

While it's likely not the first time for us to encounter a crazy evil female character with a tragic past, you gotta give it to 张馨予 Zhang Xinyu for capturing the role so well. Her admiration and envy of the love that Wen's found, her struggle between living as a commoner or in luxury, her love for beauty cultivated by the darkest and cruelest methods... She's strong and fearless, because she's got nothing else to lose.

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2. Everything Else
Everything else paled in comparison to Qiniang!! Well except the tragic lives of the commoners that are starting to be revealed more in the drama. From Wu San ("cripple sister") to Chun Xi (wife of the deceased Kang Qian), Xiao-yi and Sun Bo, it seems like there's really no way to escape if the rich and powerful wants to take anything away from you.

Note that in the original novel, the story happened >!about ten years before the fall of the North Song Dynasty (to invasion from the 金 Jin people of the north) and Dongjing (also known as Bianjing) city was ransacked during the process.!<

🍷 Over to you!

I thoroughly enjoyed this drama. It stands out among modern dramas and feels reminiscent of Doctor Who's scarier episodes, where the Doctor and companion explore different times or planets.

I also kept calling it spy-realm in my head and couldn't change that even knowing it stands for spirit.

Strengths

• The different stories behind the doors are mostly creative. While some doors were more compelling than others, they kept the story engaging.
  • Favorite Door: The demon box – it was intriguing and eerie.
  • Least Favorite Door: The high school one – a straightforward, overused bullying story. I tend to prefer stranger, more fantastical plots.
• The doors themselves were so fascinating that I was often less interested in the events outside of them,that I sometimes fast-forwarded through those sections.

Weaknesses

• Ending: I'm not a fan of the >!“it was all a dream” ending. That trope feels overused and unsatisfying. It negates all that happenedin the drama!<
• Acting: LJS’s performance was underwhelming. His portrayal lacked depth, and he felt a bit “meh” compared to others.
• Sound Issues: The dubbing or sound quality seemed off, particularly for LJS’s character. It didn’t feel natural to the environment, which made it distracting at times. Also, the voice acting wasn’t the best.

Questions and possible plot holes

Questions:

1. What happens when you die in a door? >!Do you still walk out of it? Or just reappear in the real world?!<
2. Are there multiple worlds behind each door? If not, why is everyone surprised by the worlds? Shouldn’t there only be 12 worlds total?
3. If there are multiple worlds per door, what use are the notes for sale? How do you know the note is relevant to you?

4. !did nobody question the fact that a npc virtual being can exit the game and enter the supposedly real world?!<

Demon Box Confusion:

• !Why did RLZ resign himself to die? He knew they had the scissors and that he had a higher purpose. Why give up?!<

Plot Holes? My memory of the later plots is freshest so I’ll talk about those I remember:

1. River God Story: >!Why were they unsure about whether blowing out the lamp was taboo? Dudes... shouldn’t it have been obvious, given the walls were paper-thin and the lamp's light could clearly be seen?!<
2. Demon Box Story: >!They tested for the informant by spreading they found the comb, but the unboxed eye could already see who had the comb. Wasn’t this redundant?!<

3. !LDY’s Death: How did LDY die? He walked out of the door injured, which previously was shown to allow characters to survive. What happened to him between exiting the door and dying?!<

Stray Observations

• The characters seemed oddly indifferent when people died. It was surprising how casual their reactions were.
• Why were the characters always wearing coats indoors and never taking their shoes off? They even climbed into bed with their dirty shoes on, even when supposedly safe.

Final Thoughts

Despite some unanswered questions, plot holes, and weaker aspects, the drama was a unique and enjoyable experience. Its creativity and intrigue outweighed its flaws, though a more satisfying ending could have elevated it further.

The production is so good! The couple lead are gray characters, the story is very realistic and lastly, the slight FYI before end credits. At least in episode 2, production team utilized almost 300 people to recreate the scene at rainbow bridge. It's also interesting to know that gdp during song dynasty has high.

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Edit: I mean XianXia not Wuxia

It’s was perfect honestly I haven’t really watch any cdramas(or any asian dramas really) in a hot minute bc lately nothing hits the way it used to but the acting,cinematography, chemistry, etc. was amazing Ester Yu acted amazing and so did the male lead(he was so cute too). The story starts off pretty fast and sorta continues at the same pace for the until probably episode 15 I think, there wasn’t really any love triangles (well there sorta was but not really bc it only lasted like 2-3 episodes) but it was a great show that i finished in a day

This show also had a lot of heartwarming moments definitely towards the end

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⚠️WARNING: Please DO NOT DUPLICATE YOUR COMMENTS IN ALL THREADS just to "speed up the approval process". That's considered spamming and will earn you an immediate ban from the sub.

We also have monthly threads and drama discussions. See the sidebar for more information. (See below on how to navigate the sub)

But WHEN can I make my first post?

Unfortunately, we're not going to tell you how many community karma points you'd need to make your first post. This can be abused by spammers/karma farmers who will try to game the system.

Participate for as long as you can and post when you're ready but make sure it's rule compliant. You have read the rules up there right?

We may have to manually approve your first few posts, or it could actually go through because you've met the threshold.

⚠️ Again, please make sure that you comment below this post to ensure we have a record that you've read the guide. Only people who do this are allowed to make self posts in the sub.

Also, if you are not a member of the sub, can't post. So do join the sub.

I know this seems like work, but unlike other subs we don't want to impose a karma threshold that keeps out newbies. We truly want folks to participate.

However, we also believe that it's good practice for newbies to observe and participate in a sub first. This way, you get to know the rules & culture of the sub first (and make friends!) before making a big splash with a post.

This way, you'd have a better experience overall.

If you're up to reading more, here are more resources:

Other resources

Explore the Wiki! It has a wealth of resources but here are some notable pages:

• 2024 dramas - list of masterposts that list all the discussions and info around a drama
• Cdrama glossary - list of terms, platforms, information that you need about Chinese dramaland

How to navigate r/Cdrama

On desktop - the sidebar is on the right.

On mobile, under the header, click "See more" (on iOS, you will see "See community info") and scroll down to see the menu.

If you don't see any of these options, your app may be out of date, so update it or reinstall to get the latest UI.

Sort by "Hot"

You can also find some of these posts pinned when you sort the sub via what's "Hot". However, as things come unpinned all the time, and there's only the option to pin two posts at a time, we'd suggest that you use the sidebar buttons instead to navigate to the posts.