So I'm rewatching and have just gotten to the scene of Enoch getting ready at the very beginning of the episode. I noticed there's a picture in his fridge that looks like a person with black hair and a bald person on a beach. Is this supposed to foreshadow May and Coulson at the end of the season?

One of the most tragic fate any character has faced. He died as a hero & lived long ago to become a tragic villain.

Shot in the head. Hospitalised. Captured. Tortured. Lost his mind. Lost himself.

The way he apologises to Coulson as he was taken away still makes me emotional. Once distrustful of SHIELD, he become someone that believed Coulson would come for him. And even when no one came, Talbot didnt blamed Coulson upon meeting him again. He just kept apologising for telling Hydra everything.

I think part of the heroic Talbot we knew died that day. What came out of the chamber wasn't him, just Graviton and a corrupted version of his mind.

I can't use any other word to describe his fate except tragic. 😭🥲

Thank you to the show scriptwriters for making me care for a character I used to hate so much.

I'm on Season 4, Episode 1 - Daisy is on the run, they introduce Ghost Rider, Mack and Coulsen are partners and there's a shadowy new SHIELD director. I'm largely having a good time.

There's a bit where Fitz is excited about watching a (in British English) football match with Jemma and Dr Radcliffe and I laughed aloud at the notion of any of them being impassioned football fans! I suppose I shouldn't judge - who am I to say they shouldn't be? And maybe it's only Fitz - it was obviously a minor plot point to get him into Radcliffe's house so he could learn about AIDA and the whole thing could have been a ploy on Radcliffe's part. Jemma doesn't go in the end. But anyway, I found that hard to take seriously from Fitz.

Got any more (inconsequential) character moments that really raised your eyebrows?

I picked 40 because I think it could lead to the most 50/50 split between yes and the no's leading to better discussions.

Because AOS is objectively not in the top 10 best shows of all time, while I think everyone would agree it's in the top 100 for example.

While top 40? Let's see.

Isn't the only reason Skye/Daisy is an 084 the fact the she is an orphan? Doesn't that mean that all orphans are 084s? Then why does Fitz say in 1x13 that he would hate to meet a person who is an 084?

Two days ago another user posted about Deke being there for Mack in the 80s. https://www.reddit.com/r/shield/s/CPhksKGqb6

And today this is third post I see... Look at Deke's smile🥺 and Mack is like "not this shit again"

I just feel so bad for Deke all over again...

Hi my name is Cal and I am a veterinarian

Does anyone else pick up on the fact that every season finale they just kill off all background agents? It’s like they wanna raise the stakes and showcase any of the main characters could die. But like you could easily show that by sending ONLY the main characters to the mission. It also feels like they want to shift the weight onto the main agents. Like it’s only them that can take care of things but once in a while it gets repetitive.

Just what it says on the tin. What is one episode you just don't like?

For me, that episode is season 1 episode 5 "Girl in the Flower Dress".

And apparently that's a controversial opinion and I just never knew? The story is clunky, the dialogue and acting (other than Raina) are just atrocious and it's such a weak episode, especially compared to the next one. I honestly feel like yoy could skip the entire episode and not miss a single thing.

Even the characters feel so out of place to me.

What's your least favourite?

I feel like we don’t talk about what Deke did for Mack in season 7 enough! I mean the entire time Mack was spiraling, Deke never gave up on him. He continually brought Mack groceries and put together a shield team in his absence to take out the cromicons. AND Deke visited Mack and his younger brothers past selfs in the 80s to drop off toys and school supplies to them. Deke knew how much losing his parents meant to Mack, so he kept eye on him as a child and tried to help. I know Deke gets crap for a lot in the show, but he is honestly such an awesome and caring character. He was such a great friend to the team! (still not over how they kept fitz’s death from him either)

I don't know if I'm just having selective memory or something, but do people really think that Ward is, like, comically evil or something and why?

Because, there are only a couple things he does that I can think of that might justify that sort of thinking. There's him dropping Fitz and Simmons, him killing his parents and Christian, him torturing Bobbi, and what Thomas had said about him.

But, for Fitz and Simmons, we had a Ward who was still heavily under the influence of John Garrett and being told to kill them. Obviously what he did wasn't okay, but we could literally see the conflict he was having, him admitting to caring about them and then saying it was a weakness, something Garrett groomed him into thinking. His later explanation about it being the only thing he could think of, while not justifying it or making it right or anything like that, does admittably make sense. He wasn't willing to force his way in or wait them out to shoot them or anything, so by dropping them he was kind of leaving their fate up to, well, fate. So maybe they would end up living. You can see the logic.

Him killing his parents, to me, is the most tame of his actions. They were abusive pieces of shit, so I don't really feel bad for them in the slightest. Not to mention they were well off despite the shit they did, so honestly I don't see how Ward can be given that much shit for this. Yes, they were his parents, but only by blood. A family is supposed to, among other things, protect you, not hurt you. So in every way that mattered, they weren't his parents, they were just piece of shit. Christian is more complex, because Christian was as much of a victim of mommy and daddy Ward as Grant was. In that case, it's not really justifiable or excusable or anything, but I think how emotionally connected to the situation made it pretty much impossible for Ward to recognize or care about Christian being a victim like him.

Then there's Bobbi's torture. Now, this entire sequence of events annoyed tf out of me tbh. I mean, the whole thing was such an obvious plot device, and it wasn't even well written. The thing with Bobbi's toture to me is that it's really nuanced. It wasn't justified or right or excusable or anything, but I think it made no sense. As much as Ward and Agent 33 are to blame, Bobbi is to. Because it wasn't like they were asking her for intel on SHIELD or anything like that. It was literally just them asking her to admit to something she literally did. Like the entire sequence was Bobbi being in denial about selling out Agent 33 for no reason at all. Obviously she wasn't completely at fault, but she was why Agent 33 got sold out. All she had to do was admit to her actions being why Agent 33 ended up with HYDRA and that's that. But instead, for some reason, she let herself get tortured and then watched as a trap for the man she's supposed to love was set to kill him rather than just say "my bad, it was my fault." Or even just lie about it, if she didn't believe it herself. Part of her job is to lie on a regular basis. Like the whole thing was just so fucking dumb.

And then there's the thing with Thomas. Idk wtf this guy was on, but he was making no sense the entire time he was talking to Coulson and the others. So, to sum up what he said, he knew his parents were abusive assholes, he knew Christian tormented him and Ward, and he knew that Ward protected him and Ward was his best friend. Then Ward pushed him down the Well and he suddenly "changed." Now, I'm going to assume that when he said Ward wouldn't "admit" to what he did (which, at that point in time, seems to be the only issue Thomas had with Ward's behaviour), Thomas meant Ward kept blaming Christian for what happened. Of course, to Thomas, this looked like Ward making excuses because, ultimately in Thomas's eyes, it was Ward who pushed him. And seeing as it was probably a truamtic even for him, I doubt he exactly remebers it all with perfect objective clarity. We also know from the Beserker staff that Christian was the ony behind the well incident, and that Grant fished Thomas out despite being told not to be Christian, and that it haunted Ward and he felt extremely guilty for it. This is Thomas's reasoning for why he thinks what Ward has "always done" is hurt people and lie to himself about it. I'm gonna be honest, that's a load of bullshit. At least with Thomas's reasoning. Then Thomas talks to Ward directly, and this seems to be more or less a repeat for a moment of the whole "you hurt me so I wanted to get away from you." Again, justified from Thomas's perspective, but he's a biased source. Then it goes on to Ward killing their parents again, which is sort of just Thomas saying that 1. their parents couldn't hurt anyone so it wasn't Ward protecting anyone (to be fair, inflicting psychological damage after absure is a thing, regardless of the abuser's physical state, and 2. they were Thomas's parents to so he couldn't just brush it off. Overall, the entire interaction does little to nothing to actually make Ward some horrible dude. Thomas's reasoning for why Ward is bad is flawed af and more than likely biased.

As for the basic stuff, there was helping John, except he was groomed by John from 17. Being HYDRA, except he wasn't HYDRA, he was with John who was allied with HYDRA in hopes they could help keep him alive. Allying with Whitehall, except that was for Skye and her father. And reforming HYDRA and helping Malik, except he was being driven by the exact same need for revenge that Coulson was (which made Coulson crush Ward's chest, something very un-Coulson-like of him).

So, overall, I don't really get why some people seem him as comically evil or unworthy of redemption or anyhting like that. All of his actions were either justifiable or had an excuse behind them that wasn't just a load of bullshit. IMO he's sort of like the Snape of AoS character wise. He's not a good person by any means; he hurts and kills and doesn't always fight for the good guys, but at the same time he's not really a bad person. He does bad things, but most of the time it's not out of malicious intent or selfish desire or anything like that. And when it is, even that's fairly justified.

My friend and I love the show. I just started season 2, but she's having a hard time adjusting to some sudden changes in characters. For instance, she feels like Skye's character has suddenly become more like May, and it's throwing her off. She doesn't mind character development, but since it mostly seems to happen off-screen without any buildup. Worried that I might lose her in watching. I have seen all of sheild but don't quite remember if the characters build up slowly or go back to a little lightheartness. So my question is, do they show flashbacks or build up the characters slowly and go back to the lighthearted character wise?

Sorry to make this another post but it's a different focus.

One small detail I caught, was how Jemma is talking about making a stronger dendrotoxin for the ICER. Skye is in the room as she's mentioning this and her being okay with it possibly being fatal at that level.

Is the assumption that the ICER she uses on herself later has this stronger dendrotoxin, making her shoot herself more dangerous? When Sif says she harmed herself, I always thought "well not REALLY" but I didn't notice this detail before and may put more weight into it.

But maybe it's not one? I forget if Jemma said they were just working on it. If so, there probably wouldn't be much chance of it not only finishing development and ending up in the ICER that May has on her person during the episode, right?

Just watched Omn1's reaction and am wondering, what if Skye did go with Sif to Asgard?

They probably don't have the technology to reverse her, as it's in her DNA. They'd obviously see that she has the capability to do good. Would she end up being trained by them? If Odin can take in a Frost Giant and raise him as one of his own, I don't see why an Inhuman would be any different.

That'd be a What If... I'd like to see.

And along side that, I thought Sif letting them off the hook was kind of irresponsible in the Grand scheme of things. She herself said she could tear continents apart. Just because Skye ICEd herself once doesn't mean she would be able to in the future, or if it would even have any effect. That's a huge gamble from an Asgardian tasked with protecting the Nine Realms.

How did Coulson give Cal the TAHITI treatment while the Guest House is destroyed? Is there another facility with the TAHITI machine? How in the world did that happen?

I know they’re not perfect but they’re mine & I still love them. Please keep negative comments to yourself thanks! :)

Hey, I'm watching Agents of SHIELD with my friends and we're about to start season 3. The problem is, it looks like there's some really tough scenes coming up and I wondered if anyone could help with preparing us for episodes where it comes up.

I've basically been spoiling myself for all of season 2 to make sure we have pre-warning so we can watch it comfortably and support each other!

We're mostly concerned with:

• suicide + suicidal ideation (which I know Lincoln deals with towards the beginning?)

• self-harm

• bloody medical scenes or terminal illnesses

Thanks for any help, if you can say what episode they're in that would be amazing, but just being able to know for sure that they're coming up can really help us.

So in season 3 when Daisy kills Malick she uses her powers. How is it that no one in the base feels it? They show many times whenever she uses her powers they feel it throughout the base.

Just got my first tattoo and made the design myself based off of S2's Kree City map carvings. I am so pleased with how it turned out. I hope you all enjoy!

And what a last episode, so many emotions and I can't believe that some of the agents didn't make it into MCU..Fitzsimmons so iconic. Also Enoch.. how underrated, he saved them at least 3 times!

Rewatching S5, and damn, she’s cold. Mack spends hours debating with Tess about killing the ugly fella on the ship, and he refuses, and YoYo plants a gun on him, condemning him to death without a sniff of hesitation.

Leading into Hale later, and her willingness to give up Coulson, she’s the only one on that team with the ability to make that hard calls and get them constantly correct.

i'm rewatching the show (for like the billionth time) and while rewatching, i'm going over the old post-episode discussions from this subreddit one by one. i'm at the start of season 3 and there's already tons of hate for lincoln and i don't know why because he isn't that bad a character to me. a little boring at first but honestly i find him compelling once his past is revealed. so why was there such a hate boner for him?

p.s. highly recommend going through post-episode discussions while rewatching this show, or any show that aired after reddit, it's neat seeing the community at the time and having flashbacks to tons of cool stuff like all the SWORD theories and when we had hope that these guys would show up in the MCU.