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Biden should now Pardon Trump

Not for January 6 but for any other case just to really confuse the shit out of the MAGA kids. Like why would he do that unless Trump is also on the inside!

5 Comments
2024/12/02
09:21 UTC

53

What should Joe do on his way out?

With broad Presidential immunity, what would you like to see Joe do on his way out the door?

94 Comments
2024/12/02
03:20 UTC

136

Kamala vs. Elon

I just realized the complete and utter irony of the right. For months they talked about how Kamala wasn't chosen to be on the ballot. Welp, neither was Elon, but here he is, driving the clown car.

36 Comments
2024/12/01
23:17 UTC

353

Why do people vote Republican.

Studies and history shows. The economy, employment and standard of living is almost always better under a Democrat administration. So why do people keep voting Republican?

333 Comments
2024/12/01
15:17 UTC

157

What will Trump do.

What will Trump do, when 6 months from now? People are still crossing the border. Fentanyl deaths are still high. And prices on everything are up 25%.

181 Comments
2024/11/30
21:50 UTC

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Serious question about where to go online

Hi. I know we are all devastated and suffering. I am wondering if any of you have any suggestions for places to go online that are safe places? No matter where I go, there are cruel, smug MAGAts shoving their wins in our faces. I need to get away from that, to save my mind. Maybe such a place doesn’t exist, and I should go completely offline?

33 Comments
2024/11/30
21:45 UTC

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“Did that plane crash, or was it hijacked? Forced down… forced down by something less than a man, something bred to sleepwalk through life until activated by a simple phrase spoken by their kindly master.”

With Trump returning to power, it is absolutely frightening how it resembles the themes of fascism in the video-game Bioshock. Like how he convinced almost half of the country to fear immigrants by repeating the lie over and over that they’re criminals. Or how he convinced half of the country that the 2020 election was stolen by repeating that lie over and over. People can be led to do anything if their fear is tapped into.

32 Comments
2024/11/30
21:11 UTC

351

Democrats warned us Trump was a danger to our country and its democracy etc. Why are they so quiet now that Trump won?

I don't hear anymore warnings from them. I don't hear any of them telling us it will be okay or it won't. After 4 years of us being told Trump will destroy everything its crickets now. I feel like they gave up on us and the USA. They are acting now like everything is just going to be normal and we can just play politics and everything will be okay. How? If he is as dangerous as I think and democrats warned why are we just pretending like he is going to be some normal president?

543 Comments
2024/11/30
18:59 UTC

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Why do did so many conservatives vote against their own interests?

Edit: damn auto correct title. It was supposed to be why did.

This confuses me.

If you want healthier food and companies to no longer poison us, then why would you vote to reduce the FDA?

Why would you vote to remove those regulations on companies?

If you are against child exploitation and abuse why would you vote to defund the FBI? The only organization that actually fights it?

If you are complaining about our education being ranked so low, then why would you vote to strip it?

If you voted because Harris isn't pro union enough why the fuck would you vote for the people who want to dismantle unions and worker protections?

If you are a farmer and rely on immigrants then why the hell did you vote for them to be deported?

If you want inflation to come down then why did you vote to increase it with tariffs? Import taxes don't reduce prices, they raise them.

If you are one of those anti woke culture warrior gamer bros who likes anime and complain that video games aren't sexy anymore, wtf did you vote for the people who want to ban porn?

If you want America to lead in science again and beat China , why would you let musk get rid of NASA?

157 Comments
2024/11/29
21:27 UTC

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Is the problem that the Democratic Party isn't democratic enough?

I've been thinking. The mission of the Democratic Party from now on should be to break down the 2-party monopoly- duopoly? I don't know... Anyway, leadership should fight for ranked choice voting at all levels of government.

They should also fight to get rid of: The filibuster, and the Electoral College (Along with gerrymandering). Fight that Supreme Court Judges get elected through other means other than a sheer presidential selection. I mean - the US is ranked 30-36 in the world democracy index and is deemed a "Deficient democracy".

I'm sure they don't want to bite their own tail. But the TRUTH is - You can't be a Democratic Party in a non-Democratic system. I mean, 2 freaking parties in a country of 350 + million people is a complete joke.

Now, a true democratic system is going to be harder to implement because the 2-party paradigm is well baked into the American psyche. But it's absolutely necessary. MAGA should have been its own extreme/fringe movement. But because it has to be 2 and only 2 competing parties, it has swallowed up the Republican Party. And now, the political Overton window has stretched out way further, and they have so much more power than if MAGA were just a third party - and we are all paying for it.

The Right and the Left don't agree on much. But they sure have both fought like hell to keep that duopoly going.

78 Comments
2024/11/29
16:20 UTC

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A horrifying reality of Trump's 2nd term. NO ONE is safe from p2025. Am I the only one seeing this?

Can we start to assume that no one this time in the white house will ever be liable for anything anymore so long as their lips are aligned with Trump's asshole and suck whatever comes out?

No one on his Legion of Doom will ever have consequences for their actions until they devour themselves for power over whatever is left standing when they are done using anyone that goes against them for slave labor.

I've been calling this game MAGAtes and p2025 have laid out for years.. but I need to run it by other liberals that can be objective and tell me I'm not right. I hope I'm not.

If you can follow this logic and have any decent memory of events in the past 3 Republican terms, you might feel like this is an actually real scenario... If I'm way off on something please call me out. I'm not saying this will be exact, but that the end result will be the same regardless of the how's and when's.

We won't have mass deportation like he's saying but there will be laws that ramp up justice arm's power to get rid of and imprison people here slowly over time .. which eventually through p2025 can fall on ANYONE they decide they wish to detain or get rid of.. even US born citizens. They will have the power to decide unilaterally and disregard civil rights and due process.

It will start with the undocumented immigrants they locate.. then find people who are expendable or have criminal records, people with addictions or that have had govt assistance, down to people that just aren't "American" enough, dangers or non-patriots.. they will be rounded up to be "reformed." They'll use camps for these people and work their way down the list until you have his side, and those suffering doing Chinese/gulag/gestapo-style govt labor to achieve forever power and control over us. You can change the terms and methods but let's assume they can do what they want, because they have everything they need now to do so.

Think it's crazy? Conspiracy? Yeah I get it but sometimes we see things before they happen and never listen to the ones who warned us. But it's all in the 2025 playbook and we've been here before. This time only the people can stop it, but that won't happen when we're scared and shut in our homes asking for help, saying yeah but not MY family right?

All they need to do is what I've been saying for years, declare another seemingly needed, but ultimately bullshit "war.."

I think this time it will be the "war on immigration" or something so they can make up emergency war time acts/laws.. just like the war on terror. Which was how we got the patriot act.. remember that? Civil liberties trampled on, privacy violated. We were scared, so they were allowed to quell our fears, but what they were really doing was not targeted at terror and our enemies, but at Americans themselves.

People are scared again, and just like COVID you get rich by causing a problem and selling the solution. This time I truly feel like they're going to take everything from us.. and what I fear more is that they know we can't sustain our population anymore, and they intend to close ranks, save themselves, and watch the rest of us slowly fade into genocidal memory.

But I'm crazy of course to say this so fuck me right?

274 Comments
2024/11/28
20:40 UTC

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Imagine Trump fighting Ukraine, with Russia?

If the direction the trend line is pointing continues, the US might be at war, of some form or another, against Europe. In his case, it isn’t hard to imagine, sadly.

(In which case I’ll simply go to Europe, to fight autocracy.)

49 Comments
2024/11/27
17:37 UTC

114

What is the tariff end goal?

The proposed tariffs seem like an awful idea all around, and everyone who thinks about it or knows anything about tariffs and trade seems to oppose them. So, what are they trying to do?

Is it just arrogance and stupidity? Is it a threat meant to get some sort of concessions? Is there some underlying benefit to Trump and his cronies that I don't see?

Is it just a way to shift the tax burden to consumers to pay for the next round of tax cuts for wealthy individuals and corporations?

185 Comments
2024/11/27
08:27 UTC

148

Democrats that said they don't vote because they live in an area that's always red, and their vote doesn't matter.

About 86 million eligible voters didn’t vote in the last election.

If you're one of them that didn’t vote because you feel like your voice doesn’t matter, I’m not here to blame or attack you. It’s easy to feel powerless in a system that often feels stacked against us. My point is simple: you matter more than you might think. Even if your candidate doesn’t win, when you show up, others in your community will see they’re not alone. Maybe your vote could inspire them to show up next time.

Let’s take a closer look at why every vote matters, even in areas perceived as overwhelmingly red.

Example 1: Glascock County, Georgia

  • Registered voters: 2,073
  • Turnout: 81% (1,682 ballots cast)
  • Didn’t vote: 391
    • Trump: 1,534 (91.86%)
    • Kamala Harris: 133 (7.96%)

Even if all 391 non-voters had shown up and voted for Kamala, giving her 524 votes, Trump still would have won. In counties like these, it’s easy to feel like voting is futile.

Example 2: Baker County, Georgia

  • Registered voters: 2,066
  • Turnout: 72% (1,486 ballots cast)
  • Didn’t vote: 580
    • Trump: 883 (59.82%)
    • Kamala Harris: 590 (39.97%)

If just 444 of the 580 non-voters had shown up and voted for Kamala, she would have won. It’s not impossible to imagine enough of those remaining voters choosing Kamala to secure the win.

Even if your candidate doesn’t win, increasing turnout changes perceptions. For example, in Glascock County, 1534 vs. 524 sends a stronger message than 1534 vs. 133. It shows Democrats have local support, making progressive voices less isolated. This visibility can energize communities, spark deeper discussions, and even sway centrists or independents in future elections.

It’s not lost on me that counties are part of larger congressional districts, where votes across multiple counties determine outcomes for House seats and electoral votes. For example, there’s an entire section of Georgia that voted blue in the last election but turned red in this one. If just one county in that area turns blue again, it could create a ripple effect, shifting the district’s votes back to blue in future elections.

Every vote contributes to a bigger picture—it’s not just about winning today, but about shaping tomorrow’s outcomes.

The one thing I want you to take from this: You matter.

Disclaimer: This 86 million estimate only includes those who were eligible to vote. People unable to vote due to Administration Barrier Roles, incarceration, felony convictions, mental incapacitation, homelessness, or living in U.S. territories, were already subtracted as best as possible from the 262,083,034 voting-age population estimated by the U.S. Census Bureau in 2023. This is why I say "about 86 million"—the real number could be slightly higher or lower. I did the best I could.

43 Comments
2024/11/26
22:32 UTC

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Thoughts on Mark Kelly in 2028?

What do people think of Mark Kelly running in 2028? Likable guy. Veteran, Astronaut, Senator. I think he can get liberals independent and some republicans to vote.

90 Comments
2024/11/26
22:20 UTC

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Where Should I Go to Find Other Veiwpoints.

I find myself getting railed with new information and persepectives I never had time to think about talking with my conservative uncle. I also want to get out of the echo chamber and not just prescribe to an ideology but be an idependent thinker, or so I can better apperciate the vaules that I have. That being said I find alot of alternative media to be very cringy and focused more on sensationalism. What would you people recomend?

64 Comments
2024/11/26
17:44 UTC

380

I cannot believe they just voted for things w/o research

All of the things going on like tariff, cut on benefits, block OT pay, Palestine destruction... are all things he promised he'll do, but they became flabbergasted when he says thats on his agenda. Like bros, you are regretting them now, why didn;t you bother to look things up before voting & putting him in? Now your lives and ours will be upended with these Tariffs on Canada and Mexico

149 Comments
2024/11/26
17:30 UTC

189

2026 is coming

I know everything feels hopeless but we have to keep fighting and keep going. Midterms are coming. We can turn seats blue. WE CAN DO IT.

Get ready. The fight isn't over and it's more important than ever!

112 Comments
2024/11/26
03:18 UTC

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Feeling Misrepresented as a Blue Voter in a Red State

I live in a red state but live in a blue city and voted blue and I feel like I am getting misrepresented for my state. Every time I'm online I see, "Oh this is what this state voted for FAFO" or "That's what they get for voting red". Not everyone voted for this and wanted the outcome, but tried anyways. Every time I ask what about the people who did not vote for this outcome, I do not get a clear response or "welL tHAt'S WHAt THE mAJOrity Of yoUR STate VoTed fOR." Not to mention my state is very gerrymandered too, so it's impossible to change it over time and there is some time where my state was close to flipping, but just didn't. Idk just sad to see how people see my state only seen as Republican when there are so many people I know in my state who don't vote Republican. I love my state and city, but just hate how the government is running. Anyone else having this problem or can explain why they bash a red state so much without acknowledging the people who did vote blue?

8 Comments
2024/11/25
04:24 UTC

73

Uncomfortable neighbor

My neighbor makes my skin crawl. He had Trump yard signs and said he was a "Trump fan." He talked to me a couple of times and I don't want anything to do with him. I keep the conversation short. But I feel like a collaborator for not telling him what I really think of him.

144 Comments
2024/11/25
01:51 UTC

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Why do we always have to pretend as though we win every time we start to lose?

These past few years I can't stand watching liberal and left-wing news or news content creators. By no means have I come anywhere close to giving up or falling for right-wing conspiratorial to outright false talking points, but I can't stand it anymore. I watch MSNBC and the reactions are always the same. Either shock that Trump or his supporters said something, smugness over right wing hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance, or stern scolding to people who aren't watching. And then we act and treat this as a win when Trump supporters don't care. They never will because they already believe that every negative thing about him is fake, if he does do anything he said he wouldn't do it's the right choice or a ploy, and that if what he said doesn't work-out he was misled or sabotage. We act like we haven't been dealing with these people for years. Trump and his supports will never accept a loss even as they are eating the rotten discarded remains.

Even when we do win it's not like they care anyways. I just saw a video about how Trump said the egg prices would go down before he even took office (because of course he is the darn tootenist gosh golly thing to touch the economy since overspeculation, buying on margin, and high variable interest rates) and while I care that eggs are still expensive, I stopped listening to Trumps boasting a long time ago. Trump supporters are still blaming Biden, and they'll continue blame him and other democrats as long as they possibly can. We act like people aren't treating us as villains for cutting out trump supporting family members and friends even though they'll pretend that their crowd has never done that. I can't be brought to care if you cut trump supporters out, by all means it might make your life better, but we act like it's only been a good thing for liberals and democrats.

I talk to Trump supporters, both in my family and workplace. They haven't "fallen besides themselves" since Matt Gaetz withdrew, they see it as either an operation to remove democratic/rhino opposition to Trump's next appointee or as Gaetz willingly and nobly stepping to the side so that the "Democrat psy-op" and "Forged accusations" won't distract from Trump's next term. We know that handing them the receipts won't convince them because they will have forgotten to read. When they do happen to get a win, we default to talking about our wins that they don't care about, and it just comes across as though we're living in a fantasy land. It's like we're trying to emulate them but somehow missed the point of why they behave like they do.

I don't want us to give up and admit defeat. I just want us to stop pretending as though every little thing that happens is a win.

23 Comments
2024/11/24
16:48 UTC

168

What is the most outlandish fake news that conservatives whole heartedly believe in?

I havent kept up with everything and wondering what crazy stuff they have come up with. Something within the past 8 years.

230 Comments
2024/11/24
08:09 UTC

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I am BEYOND TIRED of the fucking double standards.

I'm fucking tired of it, guys. I just am.

I'm tired of people acting like it was the rhetoric of the Democrats that caused Trump to win. No, it was the perceived rhetoric from morons that caused Trump to win. People keep telling me how Democrats ran on identity politics. NO THEY FUCKING DIDN'T. Trump ran on identity politics and made his moronic constituents believe the Democrats were doing just that.

I'm just... exhausted. I'm tired of fighting the lies. The outright ignorance. The excuses... If any Democrat in office did what Trump did they'd be out of a job. Harris didn't even ask for a recount... which by the way... I think she should've.

But I suppose Americans want white supremacists and Nazis in control. Because that's what they voted for in this election. Morons in swing states were mad the price of eggs were higher than four years ago so they voted with their wallets instead of their brains.

Yet somehow... Democrats keep getting blamed for their rhetoric. For acting like they were above everyone else or calling everyone garbage. They never did or said any of that. Trump did though, for sure.

It's just insane to me the direction this country is heading. And they're doing it because they're mad that inflation is a thing and refuse to understand it's not something the president even controls.

Ya know what? Fuck them. I hope they get exactly what they wanted, knowing full well they won't.

275 Comments
2024/11/24
03:44 UTC

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