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Anyone else really anxious about the upcoming US election?

I keep seeing things about how trump is favored to win the election, stuff like this. Anyone else worried that Biden is going to lose or just me?

156 Comments
2024/04/14
20:01 UTC

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It’s quite liberal for r/liberal not to allow polls. Therefore, I’ll ask in the old-fashioned way: What do you think about income tax?

If it was a poll, perhaps i would add options such as flat, progressive, theft, symbolic for top %1 etc. But feel free to go liberal with your opinions

48 Comments
2024/04/14
11:35 UTC

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Surprise, it was all just one more grift… no young black person supports this pig unless they are paid

23 Comments
2024/04/13
15:37 UTC

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Republican proof inbreeding is a bad thing

quote: "And they were first cousins... So, back in 1924, they actually came down to Tennessee to get married... But for the existence of the current law, I would not be here."

But wait. There's more....

This same GQP lawmaker is opposed to same-sex marriage and recently introduced a bill to ban LGBTQ Pride flags.

https://www.newsweek.com/tennessee-republicans-fight-ban-cousins-married-1889510

13 Comments
2024/04/13
00:28 UTC

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Supply And Demand

Had a debate with a coworker. He was angry as to why when during high demand seasons hotels increase the prices of rooms and not just keep it at a fixed price all year? Told him that it is to maximize profits which can go into things like bonuses for workers, upkeep and improvements for the hotel. This with the fact that if they were kept low all year the availability for a room would almost never be there as they would be bough almost immediately which would lead to a new problem.

Also he complained why McDonalds had to raise prices since they raised wages. Couldn’t they just absorb the blow? “Instead of 3 yachts why not just 2?” I brought up that the cost of wages went up to balance and with that there’d usually be layoffs or an increase in the price of goods or both.

I’m not a econ wiz, more comp sci but am I off? Are there any better points I could have made?

25 Comments
2024/04/12
20:21 UTC

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Yes, I do agree that Carlson is an anti-semite

“Tucker’s MO is simple: defend America’s enemies and attack America’s allies,” wrote Crenshaw. “There isn’t an objective bone left in that washed up news host’s body.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dan-crenshaw-tucker-carlson\_n\_66178c13e4b00c2fbcbd46d8

2 Comments
2024/04/12
19:55 UTC

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Anti women propaganda and whitewashing the past

TLDR: propagandists are rewriting the past about misogyny - denying it happened.

I'm shell shocked, pretty upset after decades of working so hard for equal rights, I'm seeing them implode in one generation.

I am a het male, but I was defending trans women, and once you post links to facts and studies and people refuse to accept, there's no where to go. I give up.

So I asked the commenter to at least remember, years back when women wanted to be called Ms. ( No one's business if they are single), demanded credit in their own name, demanded equal pay, complained about the glass ceiling, denial of reproductive health care, about not being allowed in certain jobs, etc. people back then seriously rolled their eyes, demeaned women, harassed and assaulted them for demanding equal rights.

There were even women who took the side of men and ranted that feminists should shut up, stay home with the kids, stop destroying men's lives by taking away men's rights ...

They talked about them in the same way people talk about marginalized people today.

As we can all agree now, they were on the wrong side of history.

Except the redditor responded angrily by calling bullshit on my rendition of the past. They said it was third wave feminism ( no clue what that is).

And then the kicker - they said that women not getting paid the same was a MYTH.

WTF. A Myth!

I was there. I was alive then. My sisters were alive then and they lived it. They are still alive and can attest to it, as can many other women. This shit happened.

Misogyny was rampant.

There were actually child raising books that warned parents to not allow their daughter's expectations to get too high, don't give them too much education or their daughters would be upset and depressed when in the end they would just be stay at home moms.

I had friends who screamed with frustration because they wanted to be architects or scientists and they were shuttled to "interior decorating".

And yes, I had sisters who were paid less than their male counterparts.

I remember news show debates where it was explained that men are the breadwinners and women left the workforce to get pregnant anyway, so that was why men were paid more.

These things HAPPENED. They are real. I am not making them up.

This is like serious Holocaust denial type BS. Like Florida under Desantis teaching that there are upsides to slavery for slaves BS.

I googled and found out there is actually a movement to diminish the heinous misogyny that women suffered in the past. This person who denied my take on history says she is a woman in her 30s. She may not be, maybe she is some male who is pining for the good old days. I have no idea.

But I'm disgusted. Something terrible is happening. Brave New World Dystopian Gilead terrible.

Is there some Jordan Peterson for women Tik Tok? No idea. But it didn't take long to revert. Between the denial of history and trump and an 1864 abortion law resurrection, I'm beginning to think like water seeking its own level humans gravitate toward authoritarianism. I wonder if Democracy and the dream of equal rights was just a blip.

I had to let it out somewhere. I had to say something. So I wrote about it here. Hoping folks can tell me it ain't so bad.

18 Comments
2024/04/12
16:47 UTC

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Remember when Trump first declared as a candidate in 2015?

I thought it was funny. I watched the GOP debates mainly to see Trump be an asshole to everyone. I cackled. He had like 5% of the vote, and just roasted all of the fellow GOP candidates. HA! Really livened everything up! What a jokester!
Then he kept rising in the polls. AWESOME! No way he can beat Hillary!
Then he won, and even then I remember saying to my liberal sister "No worries, Trump has no experience, he'll never be able to pass anything!" And for the most part, I was correct. He just fumbled around for a year or two complaining about crowd sizes and stuff.
But man, when Covid hit and then Jan. 6th happened, I was like maybe I was part of the problem. I never took him seriously, and never thought the US presidency alone was powerful enough of an office to be able to destroy our democracy.
I voted for the Democratic candidates, I never did a thing to put him in office other than misunderstand his sway over 45% of my fellow Americans, and underestimate how much damage a bad president can do to this country.
I will never be that dismissive of political power again.

49 Comments
2024/04/12
14:47 UTC

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Tuned into the FISA vote on CSPAN, and keep thinking it's a "Warren amendment" they're referencing when they're talking about a "warrant amendment"

I hope it passes without the amendment. It's a fine line between national security and privacy, but I'm convinced this attack campaign against it is primarily motivated by Trump.

21 Comments
2024/04/12
14:32 UTC

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Do you guys think there is any chance trump gets elected and stays in power past his second term?

How high do you guys think the odds are? Obviously he tried to with J6 but could he be successful this time?

Edit: there seems to be a strong thought in this thread that he has a decent chance, thought id weigh in. I dont think there is really any valid thought of him having the ability to do it. Our foundation and government is set up so strongly that theres no tangible chance of him having the ability to. He may try to (which I doubt) but any attempt would not come close to succeeding.

186 Comments
2024/04/12
11:57 UTC

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Family member who follows Trump and QA was ranting and mentioned people coming from other countries as refugees but wearing suits, owning nice phones, etc and how these people are "planning something". What is being referred to and what is family member worrying about?

I'm sorry for the ELI 5 nature of this question. I don't know how to phrase this and I have no idea what is going on, I would like to know what is possibly being referred to.

37 Comments
2024/04/12
10:44 UTC

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Do you support tax hikes so that more benefits and services can be given to folks in society?

Disclaimer that I'm talking in the USA context of liberalism, so forgive me if it's different in other countries.

That's what I support, even though I have more moderate social views in line with social liberalism from 10-20 years ago, as opposed to the extremism it has evolved into now.

It amazes me how many folks call themselves liberal just because they're moderately pro-choice or oppose "Christian Nationalism", and then they still want lower taxes!

Being a liberal is about believing government services are less annoying than private services in many scenarios and believing in the benefit too of regulation. It's not about being a free marketeer type who disagrees with Republicans on social issues.

116 Comments
2024/04/10
21:34 UTC

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I can’t stand the latest housewife/tradwife trend on social media

My issue with them isn’t just the religious ideology, which is actually my biggest issue with it coming from a religious background in Pentecostalism where women are taught to be tiny vessels of virtue.

The other issue I have is that most of them aren’t doing basic domestic chores that “traditional” housewife would do like washing dishes, putting a load of laundry in the washer/dryer and then folding said laundry, or getting the kids ready for school. Instead they’re making “cereal from scratch” which makes no sense at all since most people don’t even have time to make most foods from scratch.

Personally, I don’t care if people want to willingly choose that lifestyle. Where I have an issue with it is when you shove into the faces of young women (men as well) and tell them that being submissive to their husband is their only role in life. That’s limiting to a person’s potential and as a society in the U.S specifically, we should move past the stereotypical nuclear family at this point. Those days are gone and so far removed especially if you’re in a urbanized or even suburbanized area.

43 Comments
2024/04/10
08:05 UTC

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Time to get smart as buyers

I’ve been thinking a lot about how to get the most bang for my buck in terms of social and systemic change for a more fair and just society. My wife and I are regular donors to both scientific research projects as well as public charitable events and organizations. But I’ve come to the escapable conclusion that these acts are a misallocation of capital.

I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s far cheaper and much more cost-effective to just buy the politicians that we need. Now I’m not advocating that we do anything illegal or even follow the footsteps of citizens united by setting up complex SuperPACs, rather, we just go back to basic organizational discipline and organize the party the way it organized in the past - we pick and back candidates to win in races that matter.

What candidates? The ones who commit to taxing billionaires to pay for universal healthcare, a more fair maternity and parental leave system, a more just judiciary, etc. I’d humbly suggest we tell folks who think the order of operations is [Ideology leads to Policy] and not [Policy is based on effectiveness and we derive Ideology from patterns of success] to step aside and we focus on school boards, city councils but most importantly Congressional districts with an effort to put all our energy behind a slate of imperfect candidates all committed to perfecting an evidence and outcome based approach to government.

This also means campaigning on actually solving problems, something that is inherently local. I was once driving in Kentucky where my wife is from and the road we were on was perfectly flat and smooth. I made a comment on how it must have been recently paved and she said, “Oh, yeah, someone’s running for re-election” in a matter of fact tone. I asked her what she meant and she explained, “It doesn’t matter if you are a democrat or a republican around here, they re-elect the guy who fixes the roads and gets jobs to come here.”

So, for once, can we please be an organized party and rally around a slate of candidates early enough to raise cash and campaign on their behalf for once?

1 Comment
2024/04/08
19:43 UTC

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Conservatives Are Assholes

So tonight, I had an interesting encounter with a couple of guys at a restaurant. I flew into Minneapolis and went to the hotel bar to get some food and relax before my meetings in the morning. At the bar was a father and son, and they were a bit gregarious, so I listened in to their conversation with the the person behind the bar.

At some point, the son asked me where I was from. I said California. He laughed and said that he calls it Commifornia. I let it pass. He then asked me on a scale from 1 to 10, whether I would vote for Trump. I said 0.

The dad then looked at me and started shouting, "you are a piece of shit." He repeated it over and over. I tried to de-escalate the situation but he just kept saying it over and over. His son said that he was drunk, but that he was not wrong. I wished them a good evening as the son took his dad away. (still screaming).

Strange evening.

218 Comments
2024/04/08
01:32 UTC

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