This is my own attempt to create a space for discussion, information, etc. on the subject of indigenous anarchism. If this is taken as advertising and against the rules please tell me to delete the post. if you are interested, you can come in and give it life. If anyone is interested in being a moderator, let me know

https://www.reddit.com/r/ParaTodosTodo/s/YJSaHwPBus

I think that in this world, if you build something you enslave yourself to keep it in check.

Changing the world from what it is requires work, and world in turn tries to go back to what it is. It's like a spring. We wind it up, but it unwinds on it's own. That is called work.

We should choose how we live, like ants or bees, trying to create a universe inside another and work to sustain it, or are we free as birds in a world that is what it is.

The bigger the work, the harder it is to sustain it, and I think that humanity already reached it's limit.

How should a person fight a thought, that everything he does at work, will someday just decay, and every achievement we reach, will in the end turn to dust. Or how should a person work knowing, that what he does is a Sisyphus stone, that just wont reach it's goal. It's like you hold a stone in a place, while exerting force, but stone stays in place, for the stone you picked is just too big. It's not even an illusion of progress anymore.

But the fact that humanity is on this path, is proof that human's nature is more akin to the hard working ant, or a bee slaving for it's queen, than to a free and proud bird.

Just think about the fact, that some day people will just stop to do it, and everything will go back to what it really is. And good thing for anybody is that, stone age, is the only stable form of the world

I think the reason for modern people being more alone then ever is because lack of common purpose and danger.

In a hunter-gatherer society people have one common purpose which is survival. Without working together nature was impossible to survive in.

In a modern society, we lack the danger and the common purpose(survival) that brought people together. That's why people are mostly alone in this age.

Of course, this is all an generalization. People are still seeking and finding each other in this age as well. Just wanted to share few thoughts.

We're not going back to being primitive hunter-gatherer monkeys just because you don't like your job. Society and humanity will continue to advance. We're going to space.

As far as we know, the control/use of fire was invented by Homo erectus about 1.5 million years ago. The use of fire enabled benefits for Homo erectus (and ultimately other human species like ours), but also negative consequences, such as large-scale and uncontrolled fires and biodiversity loss, ultimately causing ecological imbalances (short-term and maybe also long-term?). For example, studies suggest that ancient humans caused extreme fires that led to the extinction of many large mammals in southern California around 13,000 years ago. Another example is that according to studies, Indigenous peoples (in particular Native Americans) have long used fire for ecosystem management, wildlife habitat maintenance, and reducing the buildup of fuels that can lead to larger, more dangerous fires. Certainly, fire is/was used for natural selection, in a similar way to the use of antibiotics. So, naturally many new forms of plants with higher fire resistance replaced the plants forms that have/had lower fire-resistance over the years in specific territories. The same happened to animals (see the black fire beetle, spotted owl, antechinus, black-backed woodpecker, and frilled lizards). This co-evolution between Homo species (with fire skills) with animals and plants enabled some new adaptations like higher fire resistance in some animals and plants.
I’m wondering whether overall fire makes our ecosystems more fragile and may be involved in the Holocene extinction. Fire is sometimes required in primitive agriculture, in particular it is often required for shifting cultivation. But fire is/was not used in primitive horticulture.

At the past and current states, is/was the use of fire overall ethical for the entire ecosystem and human species? Or is it just a neutral tool as long as it is used for small-scale contexts? Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

Edits: the control/use of fire

‘Our yields are going to be appalling’: one of wettest winters in decades hits England’s farms | Farming | The Guardian

does anyone know of any anarchoprim discords?

There are only two cases where technology use can be truly justified in my eyes:

1. Helping the physically disabled. Replanting a lost arm with surgery, creating a robotic prosthetic arm, helping the blind see again, etc.

2. Reducing or eliminating predation in nature. This is just unnecessary and pointless suffering. Hypothetically, with artificial meat there may be a way to let carnivore animals or bugs like mosquitoes from coexisting peacefully without needing to harm animals or humans.

The first case is rare but can be needed at times. All the other use cases seem more like "nice luxuries" rather than some "noble goal". Of course the road to hell can be paved with good intentions. Polluting the environment in the process and doing shady things would defeat the whole point.

A way we could live as. Living along the coast or a big river, setting up fishing weirs and tidal fish traps, using nets and trotlines, we could move from site to site, staying long enough to forage and repair kit, empty the traps and smoke them. Maybe we have a winter camp that we store food in and can overwinter but otherwise stay on the move. Your thoughts?

Hello fellow redditors,

Recently, I came across the fascinating concept of anarcho-primitivism, which got me thinking about our relationship with food and fournituren and technology. Their idea of living the old-fashioned way appeals to meThat's why I'm looking for a organizations in Limburg that offer food Some o and member states nostalgic non-industrial way is sold, and produced. Additionally, I'm also interested in local artisanal furniture makers who craft traditional handmade furniture. If anyone has tips or is familiar with such initiatives, please share your knowledge! I'm eager to hear your suggestions.

Thank you! [

"Of course you have to work, food doesn't grow by itself on trees!"

"Oh wait..."

This is what happens when the average person doesn't care about the mass deforestation of fruit trees to be replaced with concrete and parking lots. We then end up with fruit-tree less areas.

When some people try to restore this polluted and destroyed soil by planting vegetation, pro-civilization neckbeards like to say: "SeE? nAtUrAl LiFe Is HaRsH aNd A lOt Of WoRk".

Where did the fruit trees go [in cities]? Did they magically vanish? Or did they grow legs and went on vacation? I find it strange that the lack of fruit trees in cities doesn't surprise anyone...

Maybe it's where I live but have you ever encountered these sorts of people? They bitch and moan if they have to spend any sort of time outdoors, prefer spending their days indoors in air conditioned buildings, vastly prefer the built environment to anything vaguely natural, completely averse to any sort of physical exertion or manual work. The center of the universe, for them, is the world of Man, in their narrow and closed minds, it is all that matters, the pinnacle of reality.

Likewise, Nature to them is merely a utility, something that has no value in and of itself. It is valuable only inasmuch as it serves human needs, their own amusement, entertainment, pleasure. They are so self absorbed, they have no interest in natural things in and of themselves, in the inner life of the natural world and the intimate relationships within that make life possible. Nature is to be trifled with for man's benefit, not for its own sake. Nature as Nature cannot teach them anything. They consider themselves and the human endeavour as being above Nature as if they themselves were not also made from dust and will not return there one day.

They might even have a pet cat but the cat only holds their fascination and attention in so much as it participates in their domestic life. But they have no interest in their cat as a cat, of seeing things from its perspective, of trying to "assume its skin".

I just cannot understand these people. It’s funny because I am a weak effeminate city dwelling urbanite soy boy. I live in a city state and we've torn down much of the forest that covered the island. There is only 3% primary rainforest remaining on the island. I try to train bushcraft skills as much as is possible in the remaining forests but there's really no wilderness for me to go to to escape civilization. I am estranged from Nature and no longer have the skills and knowledge to survive there.

And yet my idea of a restful place is not anything man made. A vacation in Dubai, for instance, sounds like the very definition of Hell.

My idea of rest is wilderness or at least a green place, far from the idolatrous cities of Man. To me, there is nothing more beautiful than the natural world. Nothing man made can come close to the natural wonders of the world. To my eyes, even the tallest skyscraper and the most sophisticated cathedral pales in comparison to a green meadow or a mighty tree or a blade of grass crowned with beads of silver dew. Even the mundane things of Nature make me want to fall on my knees in praise and reverence. The built environment bores me but I have so many questions racing through my head even when I see a tall grass, what species? What type of inflorescence? How does it fit in the ecocsystem? Native or invasive? Edible or not? And so on and so forth.

​

Midas turned everything into gold but later regretted his wish. He couldn’t touch food because it would become gold, he couldn’t touch his drink or it would become gold, he couldn’t even touch other people or they would turn into gold.

We turn everything into technology but will we regret it one day? We can’t touch food because it is owned by corporations, we can’t have free water because it is owned by corporations, we can’t even have real authentic relationships with other people anymore because technology has separated us from each other. Technology and corporations are the “gold” we uphold in society and worship. We are so obsessed with technology and corporations and industrialization that we turn everything in nature into them… and now that’s biting us in the ass… now we can’t touch food or water, we’ve lost touch with other people. We have wars and famines… all because we love our technology and weapons, we clutch them like pearls and we can’t live without them and we let it all consume ourselves like how midas let the gold consume him. We took everything in nature for granted and we abused it and now we can’t have that same intimate relationship with nature anymore. Now all the technology we created… is all we have. It’s all we want. That’s why we are doomed. Because we can’t live without it. Because everything we touch becomes a fucking bomb or a gun or a sweatshop or… you name it… we just want more and more and more. You are what you eat. All we eat is an endless conveyor belt of technology and now we have become that and we will lose all food, water and fellow human beings. This planet will become a dead walnut because we’ll have destroyed it.

Some Roman Anarchist recommended this critique in a discussion earlier, and when I read it I was absolutely flabbergasted. It completely misses the arguments of the primal anarchist critique, and compares the movement as a whole to reactionary groups like Individuals Tending Towards Savagery. Is it just me, or is this one of the most asinine and misdirected attempts to refute our position?

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/william-gillis-a-quick-and-dirty-critique-of-primitivist-anti-civ-thought

At over 8,000 members, this sub is a decent size. But I feel like it should have millions. And in real life, it is so hard to find people who see the world how I do. Every single day, I dream of the version of life that we deserve to live instead of... this. I explain an-prim concepts to my friends when the time comes (I don't want to be that guy who is always preaching), and they seem to agree with a lot of what I say. But they're able to move on. To me, a day doesn't go by where I think about the lives of my distant ancestors: Foraging wild fruits, hunting wildlife with deep gratitude, and viewing nature as a living being to be cherished, part of "us", rather than a commodity to exploit. My friends joke that I am an alien sent from another planet, and I often feel that way. I explained that agriculture was where we went wrong, and my friends kind of chuckle. It seems obvious to me, but it was an obscure concept to them, I guess. I was not made for this version of Earth. It feels like everyone else received a patch in their firmware that makes them adjusted to society. But to me, and the rest of you in here, something different is desired.

There are 10,000 different arguments that can be made for why society was a mistake. But to the average person, these concepts seem radical and far-fetched. Or they joke, "I can't live without Walmart!" Why don't more people get it? The most intuitive argument I propose is that we evolved under certain conditions, and we now live in conditions completely separate from that environment. All these bright lights, mechanical noises, and fancy technologies are impacting our brains in ways that they are not equipped for. It makes me laugh when I see articles that say something like, "People report feeling a heightened sense of well-being when they go on walks in woods they haven't been before." Is this really revolutionary information? No shit, we enjoy exploring the woods! Our brains still long for us to be wandering nomads. And this doesn't even get into the argument of industrialized society completely ruining Gaia for the rest of the species we share the space with. No matter how much someone agrees with me, they always have something to say about "But culture! But technology! And comfort, too!" Really? Is it worth it?

I'm a college student, and it's hard to find meaning in life when I'm constantly thinking about the simple version of life that has been robbed from us. I often feel lonely and lost. I go to therapy, which helps. And I plan on visiting an intentional community this summer. But it's hard when I know that we all deserve a better reality, and I don't have any peers that really get me. I often envision industrial collapse, not because it'll be a nice experience but because it is a necessary part of dismantling the status quo of hate, greed, and oppression. "Civilization is a hopeless race to discover remedies for the evils it produces." - Rousseau. How do you all cope with these feelings of isolation? How do I find value in this circus of mass-produced "technology" and meaningless jobs? And once again, why don't more people get it? I could go on this forever; maybe I'll write a book at some point, but I'll stop rambling for now. Thanks in advance.

As I've learned more about primal anarchism I've noticed that occasionally the conditioning of civilization still kicks in from time to time. In these moments it's like I'm ignorant again, just bumbling about the world with no true sense to my name. Have any of you had this experience, and if so, what can I do about it?

Looking for works with an intersectional feminist works that work through a specifically primitivist lens. Getting tired of all the reactionary white boys dominating the conversation surrounding this movement.

Let's say that almost everyone was onboard with the idea that what we are doing with tech currently is unacceptable.

What should we do with the tech that we have already produced, throw it away?

Green anarchism focuses on halting production, and focusing more on reusing, repurposing, and buying or trading locally used goods.

The strongest argument against using used tech would be pollution. Using a private jet you bought used to fly alone in it won't be good for the environment for example. If the pollution to third parties is minimal, what's the deal with using used tech? What's the deal with using a used wood notebook? You are not creating more demand towards production and it seems to be ethical.