When I opened Netflix today is saw that Travelers is in the list of what's currently popular (In Germany at least). 🥳

I didn't expect this. It always seemed to me that this show was too special for a wider audience or not casual enough for the average viewer. However, I'm glad more people discovered this show.

Damn it. I want more from Travelers. It became one of my all time favourite shows.

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!Tell the story from the point of view of the faction trying to stop the soulless computer that runs every facet of their lives.!<

I’m so late to this show and I haven’t finished yet but I just have to say I would die for David and if anything happens to him I’m jumping!!!!

MAJOR SPOILERS BELOW!

In season 3, it is revealed (by the faction) to 001 that he is their leader in a few years from now, which he reluctantly agrees to and tells his men not to kill those faction people who let him click his emergency button on his neck.

Question 1: In my first watch-thru in 2021, I never caught that he's a member (and leader?) of the faction? Is this correct?

Question 2: In season 2 (when faction still had control over the corrupted director), a messenger told 001 to "stand down" and not kill the main traveler team (McClaren et al) -- and iirc McClaren's team also received a messenger telling them not to go after 001. What was the purpose of this? It seemed to me like it was a way to abandon that plotline until the middle of the next season because the writers painted themselves into a corner with no way to resolve it in a non-resolute way? Or was the point of this scene something totally different?

MAJOR SPOILER WARNING

^(last chance to avoid spoilers)

Jenny is the girl who tricked Philip and got him hooked on opioid eyedrops. When they took her in for questioning, here is what she said:

Jenny: When Grace reset the director "we" lost the ability to access the 21st so we had no choice but to shut down the reactor.

... without the director's processing power, consciousness transfer is impossible so before power was cut to the director, in our last moment of control, we sent everyone we could to the 21st.

(I assume Jenny's "we" refers to the faction only, rather than referring to all people living in the future)

Questions:

1. Why did the faction have no choice but to shut down the reactor? I assume the reason is because running the director cost precious electricity that they were in short supply of in the future, and needed to ration it for when the corrupted director could actually send consciousnesses back into the 21st century? (i.e. that the corrupted director was useless at fixing the past and became essentially just a glorified chat-bot that could do nothing else but talk/communicate after Grace reset the corrupted director)

2. How can the faction have "lost access to the 21st century" when they were obviously able to send hundreds of faction consciousnesses into the quantum frame? (and later into innocent people at hotels/night-clubs?) Or does she mean she lost access to 21st century records/archives? Or did Grace's "reset" provide the future faction with a 72-hour countdown before the reset took effect?

Thanks in advance as this is my first re-watch -- and I was afraid to ask questions on my first watch-thru due to fear of spoilers.

Major Spoilers below!

I'm on my 2nd watch-thru and I wanted to ask people who watched it unspoiled what their reaction was like learning that the director wasn't a human but rather a computer or AI machine? Was it an interesting reveal or did you expect it the whole time?

If it were a human, it seems like it would be an all-powerful tyrant since he can basically kill anyone instantly who speaks out against him or goes against his wishes. My 2nd question is regarding why the director doesn't allow killing innocent people before their death-date but is totally cool with assassinating people instead? Does the director only assassinate "guilty people" and if so, what are they guilty of?

At the end of Season 2, 001's henchmen pick Simon up from the streets and Simon finishes building the machine.

Why did Ingram wait for this long? Why didn't he take Simon as soon as the Mental Facility was shut down and finish building the device ASAP?

So I’m watching the Travelers premiere and the first thing that comes to mind is: Why would Quantum Leaping into someone who was about to die save their life? Their physical body hasn’t changed, so whatever was about to kill them is still present after swapping consciousness.

Just finished watching the episode, and I'm trying to wrap my head around how the stuff with the Faction has been working out in the future.

From my understanding, the Travelers already sent back made enough of a change that caused Shelter 41 to survive, and the members of which became the Faction.

Their goal was to control their own destiny ideas of relying on the Director.

I didn't really understand the whole bit about the Faction gaining access to the director, Grace "resetting" it, then the Faction turning the Director off, then our main team having to turn it back on..... So if somebody could give me a better idea, would be much appreciated!

And as a side bar, did the Faction have the ability to send consciousness back at some point as well? Because how did Jenny show up? She wasn't in that batch of Faction members from the Quantum Frame.

I really liked the series, have watched it twice. The characters were very developed in a short time. Storyline too was well imagined and written.

McClaine's watch caught my eye, but I am not a watch collector, unless having four to my name makes me so.

Has anyone found this choker? I know there’s a few websites with the request but not anyone that has actually found it.

Any luck redditors?

Just finished the episode, and was left confused about how the director justified killing all those officers.

And it's not a grey "circular reasoning" area that Philip mentioned.

Somebody, presumably the director, messaged all the agents to come to the gym and then proceeded to kill them by sending over Travelers.

"Bomb would have killed them anyway" doesn't track because most of them wouldn't have been there if not for the fake texts.

And if the director didn't orchestrate the texts, who did?

Major Spoilers Below!

It's been a couple years since I watched this show. Evidence for branching timelines remaining separate are:

1. When the director can deem a timeline a failure and stop trying to save it
2. The fact that the past affected the future when the faction was no longer crushed in an avalanche in their sleeping quarters.

Evidence in favor of merging:

1. When the historian began taking pills in season 2 or 3 that helped him see "updated timelines" that were evolving in real time.
2. The bomb that went off inside the mountain which gave the director 3 seconds of juice, allowing him to overwrite all the faction members in the present, letting the timeline merge back onto the "correct path" (if there is such a thing)

My reason for asking today is because having watched 12 monkeys, the time-travel mechanics are much more different and time itself is anthropomorphic and will "force" the time travelers to do things the way it wants in order to ensure the future plays out correctly.

Lastly, I have one more major question about the director's overall goal -- is it to save ALL branched timelines? Or simply to save at least one branched timeline? (this question depends on my assumption being true that timeline branches remain separate)

TL;DR: Do alternate timelines branch and remain separate or merge into a "main timeline"?

Just finished the episode.

Why couldn't the Director just send a traveller back into Bishop's body before he boarded the flight?

Instead of all the business with a stasis field, just have a Traveller team intercept him before the flight, take him to a washroom and boom, new Traveller.

I just finished the series and enjoyed it although the first two seasons felt rushed to me and I would have liked to see them working more with the the FBI in season 3. I did have two things that didn't quite make sense to me.

1. When the faction sends people back in time they don't seem to need TELLs. The first time they are in a secret government facility. I find it hard to believe they know where everyone in the room is at what time. Same applies for the random timeshare presentations

2. in the final episode, why doesn't Marcy kill 001 before herself. Seems she had a clear line of sight

When Grace comes back, she uses Ellis's code to "help" Marcy and "Reset" the director, resulting in a 'temporary' power struggle. What does that means exactly? Why would you "reset" an AI to "prevent it from being corrupted?"

And if the Quantum Frame was surely the Directors contingency, then why did it ONLY benefit the faction (who also were the ones to send the message back to destroy it) despite the fact that Ellis got the mission from the Future HE CAME FROM, not a messenger, or a weird box. IN PERSON. He trained and knew what to build, he's seen the tech first hand, and came back to do this specific job.

But the frame NEVER helps the director, and because of it, the Faction gains SUBSTANTIALLY more power than they would have had. Not to mention 001 becoming his own Quantum frame, or overwriting the Director himself, because at the end he definitely uploads himself to Ilsa and then the internet (what, when did someone build those cables, and how? WITHOUT Simon?)

It's just weird. We learn from jenny all mission from s01e11~ to her final Oxy attempted overdose episode, that all missions came from the faction because of Grace's reset. So all I know from this is that the Director was POSSIBLY going to get corrupted, despite being Quantum, and living outside of time, so he sent a frame back (which would have allowed him to do what Mac did, kind of, or something cool anyway) and keep living. Instead this never happens, 001 wins, and Grant reboots the program, because why not?

SO confused about like 30 things....

Trevor infers that the giant was deaf+mute. But he responds to Carly's call/request twice.

Was Trevor just wrong? The dialogue seemed like it was for the audience's benefit, since he switched from his bullshitting persona to somewhat serious.

Hi! So I'm not the only one finishing watching Travelers? I'm now in the 21rst! In this historical year 2024 and glad to find a current discussion about it. Netflix shouldn't have taken it from Show Case if they were only going to scrap it after 10 episodes! This show had a fresh look at time traveling from different perspectives and and was grossly underappreciated... The NOW and the myriads of entanglements caused by the very humanity of the travelers was put forth, while I guess the wider public prefers they sci-fi more FUTURE and " visually showy"... Too bad number rules and the fan base couldn't save it. I DIDN'T THINK I'D LIKE IT because the science as off AND JUST BINGE WATCHED 3 SEASONS (less the 2 episodes I have left)!!! Do you think the show just didn't come out at the right time? I ran across older posts where people were almost apologizing for responding to older posts, indicating a lot of people seem to be discovering the show as we speak... Anyhow, thanks for this thread and enjoy the show!

PS: when I typed this it was in response to another thread, I don't know what happened but hope to hear your opinions anyways!

I'm just on episode 3 right now, but David seems to be a very weird character.

How is he going along with Marcy's shenanigans if he is under the impression that she's been an undercover agent all this while?

If we're to believe he's a social worker, one who cares about his patients, don't you think he'd be angry that some government agent manipulated him for a year while pretending to have a mental disability?

Obviously we as the audience have more insight, but David should have kicked Marcy to the curb the second she pulled the "mysterious FBI lady" act.

OK- I've watched up to and finished S3E8. About Trevor>!'s fate, he talks with Grace, maybe in S3E6 or E7, about his many lives, which I took as the many hosts he's occupied over time. There's a flashback of him as an old man with his wife, also old, in a wheelchair, both living in the grim future. The scene shows the dome slowly being covered, blocking the last of the sunlight. He recounts how she died of temporal aphasia. What I don't understand is why are they back there- once a traveler is sent back to the past, do they eventually return to their present (the future)? That flashback would imply they both had been traveling- and his wife contracted temporal asphasia, and were now back in their old bodies, living out the rest of their lives in their present (the future). !< Any idea about how this works?

Almost done. So, so good. I can’t imagine how it wraps up. And sad it’s only 3 seasons. Five woulda been nice.

Just started this series yesterday and loving it, but damn Marcy is annoying. She just gives off "idgaf" vibes 24/7. I'm on EP9 (plane crash) and the way she was running to the crash scene smiling/happy just really pissed me off and ruined the scene.

Just finished season two. I cannot believe this show didn't get more traction in first run. The writing is outstanding. Gets my vote for best new sci-fi. Every one of the actors does a fantastic job. I've gotten so attached to the characters. Every episode I'm begging please don't kill X! He or she is my favorite character. Please Netflix! Give us a season 4.

I just started watching the show (about 4-5 episodes in) and I enjoy it. Before I get fully committed and continue watching it, I want to know if the series has a proper ending or if it was just cancelled before things are resolved

Is probably the most kind hearted character I've ever seen on any show/movie that isn't annoying or "holier than thou". I forgot how much I liked him!! He is such a kind loving funny soul...of course they had to do him dirty in the end lol. He didn't deserve that and I weep like a baby everytime he dies. Anyone else?

I apparently missed an episode at some point, but read that we was overwritten twice. But then, why isn’t he working at the FBI anymore? Where did he go? He doesn’t appear to have died according to wikifandome…

in my own housing search i have considered alternatives, it might be nice to live in a commercial/industrial place for more privacy.

but its always more expensive and lacking in a shower and kitchen so it has to be improvised.

yet this young unemployed drug addict lives in a garage that probably has a monthly lease in the tens of thousands?

and where is the shower and kitchen? there is none.

and how well was it cleaned to be liveable, a garage is no place to live.

That the director has to actually wait for things to happen and then the time to pass all the way to the future for him to do something?

I see threads left and right talking about how hundreds of years have to pass before he can make another iteration like for the 17 minutes episode.

He can absolutely interfere with a timeline in real time from the future, just like 001 can go directly to the future in the same timeline that he left.

Director does not have to wait for information for hundreds of years to rescue the travelers, because if that was the case he would not be able to have a straight conversation with Grace and Mac about Trevor's implant.

The director can absolutely intervene in almost any timeline in which it might or does exist or whatever IN REAL TIME. We do not have to wait hundreds of years after the team dies for him to send back another traveler to try to rescue them, that happens in real time.

Protocol omega happens in real time. 001 leaves his body and in real time goes to the future, and then has the world generals overwritten.

The director interviews in real time many times, and also uses historical data for tons of things. The blood transferred to ancestors is for updates to other timelines that things have not happened in yet, and things that cannot be intervened in real time.

Otherwise the director is quantum, which means he exists in a superposition of time, aka outside of time, and only certain things can "blind" the director.

There is no grandfather paradox when you go back in time to kill your grandfather and it's a different grandfather. That's the purpose of the many timelines theory.

Hope that helps.

It's a very, very minor thing but it's something that bugged me in all TV shows and there's little else in Travellers that does. So I think it sticks out more.

But wouldn't it make more sense to stay inside the house and shoot from the windows? Rather than all cramped onto a balcony behind... a matress?! They also just let everyone get fairly close before firing, and the Factions plan is to... slowly walk towards the house?

Rant over. Still love this show and this episode. Still disappointed it was cancelled :(

Im two episodes from the end of season 3, and I have read 7-5 year old posts here about glimpses/short scenes/ hallucinations of the future, carly's realy self, trevor and his wife in a dome, what people might look like. The only scene i could find was the hotdog looking like a bowl of yeast. If anyone could help me find these that would be awesome. Thank you!