Apologies if this is the wrong forum for this sort of conjecture/question, as it's more a meta Behind the Scenes theory than an in-universe theory, but I'm wondering if anyone has any thoughts/insights on this...

When a photo-real CGI Zeb showed up for a cameo in season three of the Mandalorian, I assumed this was just setting the stage for a future, more substantial appearance in Ahsoka. After all, why would they go to the trouble and expense of creating such a sophisticated CG model for a never-before-realized species for a throwaway scene in an episode that was already a couple steps removed from the series main storyline? Surely the model had been built for more significant use in the forthcoming series featuring his old buddies Ahsoka, etc. But, no. Zeb has yet to return in live action.

Tonight I read something I had not previously heard,, but which may provide an answer.

Following the dismissal of Lord and Miller from the director's seat for Solo, reports emerged that a character played by the since-deceased (and much missed) Michael K Williams had been recast and would now be played by Paul Bettany. It was further reported that the character had originally been conceived as a CGI (or CGI-augmented) creature, but would now be presented as (mostly) human.

According to Wookieepedia (by way of the "Art of Solo" book, which I don't own and can't reference directly), "for a period of time during the development of Solo: A Star Wars Story, Dryden Vos was intended to be a Lasat."

I'm not sure how far into production this intention made it, but it got me thinking...

Did ILM make it as far as building a full CGI model of the Lasat version of Dryden Voss?

If so, all those 0s and 1s would still be sitting there, whether they used them or not for their intended purpose, and available to repurpose (perhaps slightly modified) for an unnecessary cameo a couple years later. It would certainly make more sense than ILM crafting a Lasat from whole (digital) cloth just for what ultimately amounted to a random "Rebels" easter egg.

So now I'm reviewing that scene from that Mandalorian looking for hints of Michael K Williams under the digital make-up, and I've almost convinced myself he's there.

Is The Mandalorian's Zeb actually... the original Dryden Voss?

Now, I'll confess ahead of time that I haven't really read a lot of the books/comics connected to the Knights of Ren, so this is mostly based on reading Wookiepedia. But this is a theory that's been floating in my head for a few months, and I wanted to put it out there and see if it made sense.

So, when I hear the name "Knights of Ren", it feels like a deliberated homage to Arthurian legend. There's this idea of a dark, twisted version of the knights of the round table wherein they only value strength and martial prowess, not for the sake of protecting others, but only for the sake of itself. The Arthurian Knights are also much more prevalent than the Knights of Ren, as many stories feature over 100 knights within the order. But, we could imagine that the Knights of Ren were once more plentiful, couldn't we?

In Arthurian Legend, the Knights of the Round Table are depicted as noble, fantastical heroes from romantic and chivalric fantasy, often caught between their desires and their duties. For example, Guinevere, the wife of King Arthur, and Sir Lancelot, King Arthur's right-hand-man, are often depicted as being deeply in love with one another. Their passions to one another are at odds with their oaths and loyalties to King Arthur. If we applied this concept to Star Wars, it would perfectly align with the idea that attachment can become the death of duty and honour; the Dark Side winning over the Light.

In Star Wars, the Knights of Ren are led by Kylo Ren, who wields a crossguard lightsaber. Now, its worth pointing out that Kylo seems to only get this crossguard lightsaber after turning to the Dark Side and triumphing over the previous leader of the Ren, and that its only after Kylo becomes the new leader of the Knights that he bleeds his lightsaber crystal, turning it into that iconic red blade. By triumphing over the Dark Side, Kylo's transition to the Dark Side is completed.

Now, to be honest, this connection is flimsy. But, we've only ever seen a few people use crossguard lightsabers in the history of Star Wars, though we're told they were more common. Now, looking back on the first documented users of the saber style, we see the Jedi who fought against the Sith in the Scourge of Malachor sometime before the end of the Last Jedi-Sith War (5000 BBY - 1032 BBY). The Scourge of Malachor supposedly ended in disaster, with almost all of the combatants being petrified by the superweapon on the planet. We also known from the Rise of Skywalker Visual Guide that the Knights of Ren are centuries old by the time we get to TROS. We also know that those who wield crossguard lightsabers tend to be masters of the Makashi form, a form that emphasises lightsaber-to-lightsaber combat, and that the Knights of Ren wielded weapons for close-quarters-combat, and that they thrived in violence and strife (according to the TROS Vis. Guide).

One of the recurring themes in Star Wars is the idea that, in defeating your enemy, you become them. To truly eradicate the Sith via martial combat, you must match their ferocity and rage. In the Original Trilogy, and in The Rise of Skywalker, the eradication of the Sith is only possible through redemption and the breaking of that violent cycle. Luke "disarms" Vader by tapping into his rage and going all out against his father, but he doesn't defeat the Sith by killing Vader, in fact, he does so by leading Anakin to redemption. This is even more explicit in TROS (perhaps too explicit haha) where Palpatine straight up tells Rey that if she kills him, his spirit will possess her and she'll become Palpatine, and the only way that Rey can defeat Palpatine is by redirecting his lightning back at him, with the support of Kylo; the last leader of the Knights of Ren. We also know that there is a recurring theme of grief and rage as a consuming force, which leads us further into darkness.

Now, this is where we officially enter the space of headcanons and speculation. We know that the Knights of Ren are centuries old. This doesn't get us to the pre-Ruusan Republic, but its heading in that direction. We also know that the iconic crossguard lightsaber was only adopted by Kylo after becoming leader of the Knights of Ren, and that said lightsaber style appears first during the Scourge of Malachor. So, what if, the Knights of Ren were originally an order of Jedi knights who fought against the Sith in the Jedi-Sith Wars. They send some of their knights to participate in the battle at Malachor, (or they all participate in the battle and some survive), thus meaning that the devastating calamity in that battle causes many of their brothers-in-arms to be slain. The original Knights of Ren, enraged and heartbroken by the loss of their comrades, become fully devoted to the eradication of the Sith. As they pursue this path, they must tap into that rage and grief in order to defeat their enemy, but in doing so, become Dark Side users themselves. Once the Sith are "destroyed" the Knights are aimless, having completed their vengeance but unsatisfied. Perhaps they don't believe that the Sith are truly dead. And so, they focus their lives on the worship of the lightsaber blade, fixating on ideals of strength and dominance over others, hoping that they will be strong enough to truly eliminate the Sith when they return. They pass that grief and anger to the next generation of Knights. Over time, the original ideals of the Knights are gone, as all that they have is hatred and violence in service of hatred and violence.

And then, at the final battle between Jedi and Sith on Exegol, the twisted remnants of the Knights of Ren battle their leader, who defeats them with a blue lightsaber, representing his return to the light. And then, Ben Solo marches up to Palpatine, the last Sith Lord standing, and defeats him. Not by using a lightsaber, but through his bond and love for Rey, denying the pursuit of power that has governed the Knights of Ren for so long.

Anyway, sorry if this theory sounds too fanfictiony, its just a weird thing I thought of one day, and it felt like it would be very narratively interesting if it were true.

So I noticed Poe was called Black Leader in TFA and looking it up lead me to the Star Wars page where it says his mother was a pilot and father was a commando for the rebellion confirmed as far back as The Battle of Endor.

I know there are probably books and comics feel free to fill me in but honestly I never really consider something canon until it gets spoken about on-screen or is written directly on star wars . com, bear with me I’m not a child and I know this is a stretch, but don’t worry I’m not linking him to a direct character 😂.

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It can be assumed they’re both gone by the time of the sequel trilogy given they’re never given a mention and the alliance whittles down to 12 people as far as we know in TLJ having gotten onto the falcon. Even retired, we know they would’ve shown for their son in TLJ. …

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(Places on tinfoil hat) So — what got me really thinking was on Star Wars’ website (I’m not talking about Wookiepedia) says Poe’s father was a “commando.” That’s specific wording. Obviously the word “commando” in the Star Wars universe is heavily associated with the Clone Commando’s…

Throw Poe’s fathers image next to Dogma, Gregor, pan-handling clone from Obi Wan (just examples) and tbh he looks eerily similar when comparing to the first picture that comes up on Google searching Kes Dameron and pictures of the mentioned clones among others.. I’d add them myself if I could. Am I crazy here on the resemblance?^

I understand that the age logistics of implying Poe’s father was a clone for the Republic but what if his father had been the son of a clone? That explains away his skill set and a lot of his personality if you think about it in my opinion. And we’re well aware it’s possible for Clone’s to have children; In canon I don’t think we’re really aware how the growth acceleration can affect potential offspring growth. In legends, (and specifically a Commando) there was an established clone Commando and jedi romantic relationship that was ‘explored’ where they had a child. I’m not even going to reach that it’s a reference to that and Poe’s any kind of force sensitive. However, what if he were the descendant of a clone? It makes tactical sense and would explain the beyond natural piloting abilities without forcing him in as a force sensitive character, while making a “major” connection to the past.

I guess you could make this argument for a lot of characters with the case I’m building - but I figured it’s worth a thought or at least grabbing some outside fan-feedback. What do you guys think?

I’ll probably headcanon this idea starting from now on regardless, but i’m curious how it aligns with the potential known true written “canon.”

[This theory does not apply to disney canon, but based on the old Original Universe]

(I am just an old Star Wars fan - before the "Disney era" - I got motivation from my favorite sci-fi writer; Isaac Asimov - who was one of the pioneers of science fiction - like Tolkien in the fantasy world - and the SW universe and other science fiction works are largely based on his works. So that's why this theory was born in my head.)

My theory starting with an alternative storyboard;

Windu is about to strike Palpatine with a fatal blow, meanwhile the chancellor begs Anakin to save him and claims that without his help Padmé will die.
Anakin is tormented by doubts, but then he hears Padmé's voice in his head. Padmé senses Anakin's struggle and confirms to Anakin that Palpatine is a lying impostor. That's why when Palpatine pleads for Anakin's help, the Jedi does nothing, as he doesn't even hear Palpatine's voice.
Windu raises his lightsaber and prepares for a fatal blow, but then a red lightsaber pierces his chest from behind. Palpatine was also prepared for the last moment, so he hid his spare lightsaber and used the force to direct it into Windu's chest. Windu collapses as Palpatine laughs mockingly and kicks Windu to the ground. Anakin takes Windu's body in his hands as the dying Jedi Master says: "Forgive me, Anakin, for I did not believing in you."

Anakin then picks up Windu's lightsaber and ignites it along with his own, then points it at Palpatine. Palpatine still mocks Anakin's weakness and tries to convince him that "You are doomed to fall, on the side of the Jedi and without my help Padmé will die”. He offers Anakin that if he joins him on the dark side, in addition to saving Padmé's life, he can gain infinite power and immortality. But Anakin says, "I am the Chosen One. My job is to destroy the Sith, not to join them." Then, with extreme speed and strenght, he pierces the Sith's chest with both lightsabers, then cuts off his head in the next moment. With this act, Anakin "apparently" fulfilled the "prophecy" that he was the Chosen One who would bring peace to the Galaxy.
Anakin then contacts Obi-Wan to come to Coruscant immediately.

Let's say Palpatine dies, just as in the "What if...?" version above. But what happens after with the Galactic Republic?

I guided a theoretical plane, taking into account several aspects, which, among other things, relies on both original galactic history and real human history.
I thought about what political, economic, and social changes could happen if the Galactic Empire did not come into being, but at the same time the CIS remained, with which the Republic would make peace or perhaps continue the war, which would mean significant further losses for both sides (especially the Republic) and in the end there would be no winner on either side, only ruins, destruction and billions of dead. In addition, it had to be taken into account that the whole war itself was actually controlled by none other than one person from the background, through his own servants. The Separatists had their own motives for wanting to secede from the Republic. It is precisely because of political corruption, constant internal dissension and inadequate economic management. There have been many examples of malfunctions in the "republican machinery" that collapses into itself in the absence of sufficiently strong political leadership - because the Galactic Republic is not a functioning state formation without sufficiently strong leadership.
That is why the Separatists looked up to such strong and charismatic leaders as e.g. Count Dooku, General Grievous or Lord Sidious. The possible vision I have outlined is based on exactly these, as well as on the example that has been repeated many times in reality, in human history, and is being repeated to this day (the best example of this is the Roman Empire, which fell not because of the barbarian conquests, but because the system itself was rotten from the inside and collapsed because of this).

So here is my theory concept (based on the Original, non-disney Universe):
Palpatine, aka. Lord Sidious is dead. But the Separatist Wars not have ended at the push of a button. Since Palpatine controlled both sides and when the Separatist leaders having lost Count Dooku and General Grievous, were at a considerable disadvantage in the absence of a sufficiently strong and effective leadership, so they could only rely directly on the guidance of Sidious, who also died. The separatist leaders, who had previously been sent by Grievous to Mustafar, sat and waited for the next order, in vain.

When Obi-Wan arrived, Anakin told him all about how the Sith Lord had manipulated both sides and how he had fooled the Jedi Council all along. Obi-Wan then sent a message to all Jedi Masters across the Galaxy and called them back for an "emergency council" to analyze the current situation.
The end result; At Anakin's suggestion, Padmé Amidala (both as the official representative of the planet Naboo, Palpatine's home planet, and as Palpatine's "temporary" surrogate successor) is appointed to the vacant chancellor position. Padmé reveals to the Senate and provides evidence that Palpatine was actually a Sith Lord who pulled strings on both the Senate and separatist leaders. At first, the Senate expresses disbelief at the accusations, even in the face of the evidence, since it is not easy to believe that the primary leader of the Galactic Republic was a double-game Sith Lord, but then the Jedi Council, headed by the greatest Jedi Masters, intervenes and effectively corroborates Padmé Amidala's claims, so the Senate finally accepts the facts.
The next step; Chancellor Amidala contacts the Separatist Leadership and initiates negotiations with them regarding ending the war. The negotiations finally end in peace between the Separatist leaders and the representatives of the Republic, thus putting an end to the war. However, this peace is only apparent, as the Republic was extremely damaged by the war, and it also lost several economic and industrial areas, which were now under the control of the Confederation of Independent Systems. As a result, the Republic was economically weakened, which gradually began to have an effect on everyday life as well.

Although there was a peaceful trade relationship between the Republic and the CIS, over time the Republic descended into a serious economic crisis. This meant that everything that had been readily available until then could only be purchased expensively or not at all. As living standards deteriorated, corruption grew, meaning that some individuals (including political leaders) began doing business with the CIS for their own sake, as a result of which they themselves profited well, while the people themselves were increasingly destitute. Of course, the Chancellery worked with the Jedi to stabilize the economy and ease the crisis, but the attempts failed in the long run. As a result of the economic crisis, corruption, and political turmoil, more and more people began to disappoint the leadership of the Republic, especially the Jedi. The Jedi are basically not politicians, but "guardians of the Republic Order" and, if necessary, "mediators" or "diplomats," but they are unable to act appropriately in the event of a major internal political crisis, and because the Chancellery has failed to handle the crisis properly, the trust of many citizens of the Republic in the Jedi has begun to be lost. The process escalated to the point where public opinion began to blame the Jedi specifically for putting the Republic in such a crisis; Higher taxes, worse living conditions, widespread corruption, lack of faith in people's daily security of existence, while the systems unified by the CIS have perfect economic hegemony and seemingly universal welfare.
Because of this, many Republican citizens decided to emigrate instead, but many who wanted to stay urged the Senate to try to resolve the crisis in some way. Failing to do so in the long run, rebellions escalated within the republic, foreshadowing political anarchy and a galactic civil war. By then, Anakin and Padmé's children had grown up. Choosing a political career, Leia tried to do everything possible as a diplomat to create an economically stable point, conducting continuous negotiations with the CIS, of course to no avail or with greater or lesser success. Luke, of course, studied at the Jedi Academy and became a talented Jedi, but unfortunately, the crisis of the Republic and the inertia of the Jedi Order increasingly annoyed him, but he was also disappointed to know that the Jedi could not keep the peace in the Galaxy. As a result, Luke increasingly turned away from the Jedi Order and, of course, from his parents. He eventually decided to join the CIS, where he quickly had a successful political career, to the point of becoming the official leader of the CIS (with a pseudonym and identity, of course, because he did not dare to risk revealing his Jedi past to those who already had trouble with "Force users" in the past). Of course, he himself eventually became a "Dark Jedi" - as he lost trust and loyalty to the Jedi Order. Luke eventually planned to organize an army to attack the Republic, eliminate corruption and economic inequality, eliminate the "unviable" Jedi Order, replace it with a new order based on his own philosophies and ideals (i.e., neither Sith nor Jedi), and eventually become the "Leader" or "Emperor" and bring "unity, stability, and peace" to the entire galaxy.

Luke originally studied history and archaeology at the Jedi Academy but wanted to learn more about Sith religion and culture, but for Jedi, learning about this knowledge was strictly taboo and forbidden. Luke was also annoyed that the Jedi were so strict about their refusal to learn this knowledge. He argued that "you can't fight an enemy you don't know, and that's why Palpatine has managed to lead the Jedi Council by the nose in the past." So when Luke broke up with the Jedi, he decided to go his own way and get to know the Sith better. His research eventually came to fruition, as he first conducted research on Korriban and later found the ancient holocron of the Sith Order on Telos IV, which provided the universal repository of Sith cult, along with the wisdom and knowledge of ancient Sith Lords. The most recent Sith to retain his own knowledge and who was also the current gatekeeper of the Sith Holocron was Palpatine. In addition to his immersion in Sith science, Luke also obtained important and valuable information from Palpatine, which included a "blueprint to unify the Galaxy" and a "secret command" that could spell the "end of the Jedi order", paving the way for unlimited absolutist control. Luke, though not a Sith, set out to combine knowledge from the light and dark sides to create a "New Order" that would usher the Galaxy into a new, prosperous era, at least in Luke's mind.

Meanwhile, a serious tragedy struck the Skywalker family. Palpatine's prophecy came true—that Padmé Amidala is died. Although she did not die for the same reasons Anakin initially thought, but her death is closely related to Palpatine's death.
Because the Republic had been economically unstable for a long time, despite economic concessions with the Confederacy of Independent Systems, which provided the Republic with some capital flow and maintained mutually beneficial and peaceful trade relations, the Republic was on the brink of crisis. Most blamed this on none other than the person who directly took Palpatine's place as chancellor and made peace with the separatists on the basis of an overly hasty decision – thereby digging the grave of the Republic. That person was none other than Padmé Amidala. In addition to rebellions within the Republic, acts of terrorism against the state have also become common. Many of the rebels blamed Amidala and therefore committed an assassination attempt against her, which unfortunately ended in success on the part of the rebel terrorists, i.e. Padmé died as a result of the assassination. In this way, the rebels wanted to convey the message to the leadership of the republic that "they will no longer want for inappropriate leaders and the wrong decisions they make."
Of course, Anakin and his daughter Leia Skywalker were also very badly affected by Padmé's tragic death, but the news of Padmé's death and its circumstances reached Luke's ears as well. Luke, although he had long ago turned his back on his parents, still vowed to avenge his mother's death.
As the Jedi also reacted with further helplessness to the tragic event, Palpatine's second prediction seemed to come true: "You are doomed to fall on the side of the Jedi."

Civil war was on the verge of breaking out within the Republic.

This also motivated Luke regarding his later goals.
While Luke was preparing his war plans, now as the CIS's chief politician, the Galactic Council appointed a talented, thoughtful, but powerful politician to deal with the crisis (at the suggestion of Jedi Master Anakin Skywalker, of course, who had known him from the past and considered him a trusted man), Wilhuff Tarkin. Tarkin, in addition to being a talented politician, worked hard to restore order within the Republic by imposing a military dictatorship (invoked a state of emergency) to prevent civil war and stabilize order within the Republic — something the Jedi reluctantly but "temporarily" approved, since the dictatorship's primary goal was not repression, but a state-centralized and controlled economy. Furthermore, the most important official positions designated by the state were placed under the direction and supervision of military government leaders, i.e. moffs, in specific sectors of the Republic. All this is secured by military force. Tarkin also built up his own network of intelligence services, which immediately notified him of "civil war incitement" or "acts of terrorism against the state." (Due to the state of emergency, the Senate was also forced to accept the coercive measures.)
Tarkin, on the other hand, knew how to gain a strong ally to stabilize his political power and restore the Republic to major power in the galaxy, and prepare to wage war with the CIS, which was rumored to have a new and powerful "leader" or "warlord" whose intentions included annexing the Republic, among other things and this warlord using war propaganda to incite the CIS leadership and its citizens against the Republic — which was later confirmed to Tarkin by military intelligence. This future "ally"—whom Tarkin knew—originally lived on a sentient self-conscious planet called Zomana Sekot, which changed its location through hyperspace at will. Tarkin was in contact with the inhabitants of the planet and asked for their help. However, a large number of representatives of this race were already on their way to the Galaxy with the intention of subjugating and conquering the whole Galaxy. Name of species: Yuuzhan Vong.
This is the end of my theory of the alternative future of Galaxy, without Palpatine and his Galactic Empire.
(I even thought of a scenario where Luke - as the future new Emperor, leader of the CIS - would attack the republic and at some point he himself would face his own father. Of course, Luke would be in typical traditional Sith armor with a mask (e.g. Darth Revan or Kylo Ren in the new canon), because of this, Anakin would not recognize him at the moment, but then in a dramatic moment, right at the climax of the fight between the two, Luke would reveal himself in front of his father, in something similar dramatic scene, as in The Empire Strikes Back; "Anakin, I am your son." In any case, I think it would be an interesting role exchange.)
I would be genuinely interested to know how anyone sees things or what their opinion is on this theory?

So I’m sure we all know about the anakin being the chosen one prophecy. But what if this was the Jedi councils way of hiding from obi wan that he was really the chosen one? And they could sense the cloudedness in anakins future- and didn’t want obi wan to potentially turn to the dark side?

Let’s talk facts real quick. Obi wan beat Darth maul twice ( one time in which he killed him- the other crippled). Darth maul was the apprentice to the most powerful sith of that era- palpatine- and this would surely mean that he’s the next most powerful sith in the galaxy? OBI WAN BEAT HIM TWICE. Then we move onto general grevious, a talented warrior and somewhat master in saber dueling. We all know what happened there, Kenobi absolutely demolished him, not only in saber combat- when he was “outgunned” 4 lightsabers to one- but also outwitted him when he put those blaster shots deep into his torso.

Then we move onto the fact that HE BEAT THE LITERAL CHOSEN ONE TWICE!!!! One time in revenge of the sith- and again in the kenobi series. And I know you may argue that “anakin/vader killed obi wan so surely he was better”. OBI WAN SACRIFICED HIMSELF AND CHOSE TO DIE!

NOT TO MENTION HE WAS ONE OF THE ONLY JEDI TO SURVIVE ORDER 66!

So just try and tell me that obi wan wasn’t the chosen one.

Everyone expects for the Bad Batch to have an absolutely heart wrenching ending, and I think this week's episode gave us some insight into how exactly they'll break our hearts. My theory goes like this:

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• Crosshair regains strength in his hand all thanks to Omega who helps him over the next several episodes. They grow incredibly close and Hunter continues to grow bothered by it, but accepts it as long as Omega is happy. As Omega continues to practice meditation with Crosshair, she notices her force-sensitivity, but isn’t quite sure what it is and keeps it secret.

• Also in the coming episodes, Bad Batch learns what M-Count is and realizes Omega's importance to Sidious' cloning operation.

• For their final mission, the Bad Batch unites with Rex, Wolfe, Gregor and Cody to free the clones from Tantiss and destroy the base in totality in addition to Sidious' cloning operation.

• Early into their takeover of Tanitss, Hunter, Omega, Wrecker and Crosshair begin searching for the cloning chamber while Rex, Wolfe, Gregor, Cody and Echo go to free their clone brothers before prepping Tantiss for detonation.

• After battling through waves of stormtroopers, Rex, Echo and the boys face off against a team of Death Troopers, or some other form of special Stormtroopers. During their face-off, Cody sacrifices himself so that Echo can tap into the base's system to finish freeing the enslaved clones from their cells. Cody's death leaves Echo exposed and the Death Troopers kill him just after he frees the enslaved clones. Nala Se is also freed during this time. The freed clones help Rex, Wolfe and Gregor take down the Death Troopers and they rush to freedom as Rex and the boys move forward with preparing the base for detonation even amid the death of Echo and Cody.

• Meanwhile in a completely different part of the base, Bad Batch locates the cloning chamber and heads that way to destroy it, but before they can get there, Hemlock and his Clone Commandos meet Hunter, Omega, Wrecker and Crosshair just outside the chamber.

• In fighting the Clone Commandos, Wrecker is killed while saving Omega from being captured. Hunter and Crosshair are able to finish off the remaining Commandos, but Hemlock is able to secure Omega during the fighting.

• Knowing only Hunter and Crosshair stand in his way of attaining more samples of Omega’s blood for Sidious, Hemlock reveals that the Empire never actually removed Crosshair's inhibitor chip. Instead they just turned it off and made it accessible via Hemlock's data-pad knowing they could use Crosshair against the Bad Batch when the time came.

• Hemlock maxes out the energy on Crosshair's inhibitor chip and it becomes clear to Hunter that he'll have to kill Crosshair. Hemlock, with Omega in his grasp, looks on as Hunter takes on Crosshair. Hunter is no match for what Crosshair has become and towards the end of the fight, Crosshair shoots Hunter's knife out of his hand. Severely injured from battle, Hunter seems helpless as Crosshair takes one last aim. All of a sudden, something calls out to Omega and she uses the force to return Hunter's knife to him. It is then confirmed that Omega's defect was being a force sensitive clone which closes the loop on her M-Counts and her importance to Hemlock and more-so Sidious' cloning plan.

• With the knife in hand, Hunter throws the knife and hits the exact spot where Crosshair's inhibitor chip is. This finally frees Crosshair of the chip's manipulation for a brief second before he falls and dies.

• Hunter dies shortly after, unable to even go after Hemlock as Omega looks on. Hemlock now seeing that Omega is confirmed to be force sensitive rushes to his lab. On his way out, Hemlock grabs a gun from one of the fallen Commandos. Distraught by the deaths of her brothers, Omega tries to use the force to free herself from Hemlock, but ultimately she isn't quite strong enough in the force to do so.

• Since being freed from her cell meanwhile, Nala Se makes her way to Hemlock's lab knowing that if he did get his hands on Omega, that is where he would take her. Unknown to her, Emerie, Omega's sister, had come across Nala Se as she made way for the lab amongst the chaos of the freed clones. Emerie begins following Nala Se and secretly enters Hemlock's base behind her. Emerie is partially motivated to follow Nala Se out of her loyalty to Hemlock and partially out of her soft-spot for Omega.

• Upon entering the lab, Hemlock finds Nala Se waiting for them. Nala Se pleads with Hemlock to give Omega back while Emerie comes out of hiding appearing to side with Hemlock just as she’s programmed to. After a weak physical attempt to take back Omega, Nala Se is knocked to the ground and Hemlock looks as if he's going to shoot and kill Nala Se. Emerie, now seeing how much Omega fears for Nala Se’s death, quickly steps and knocks the gun out of Hemlock's hand. Omega uses the force to slide the gun across the ground and into her hands and kills Hemlock.

• Throughout this period, Rex, Wolfe and Gregor have prepared the base for detonation, but they only have a limited time to escape. Eventually Nala Se, Omega and Emerie find Rex and the boys, and they all rush to escape together.

• During their escape, there comes a point when Omega realizes how important she is to the Empire after reflecting on the death of her brothers and ultimately blaming herself for their demise. She decides the best choice for her is to sacrifice herself for the greater good. Nala Se begrudgingly agrees with Omega and decides to sacrifice herself as well out of her love for Omega. Nala Se feels similarly to Omega feeling guilty for her part in the Clone Wars and realizing her own importance to the Empire. Emerie and her newfound conscience decides to sacrifice herself along with Omega and Nala Se in an attempt to die loyal to her only family rather than loyal to Hemlock and the Empire.

• Rex pushes back and tries to convince them to escape with the rest of the Clones, even if he has to do it by force. As the exit doors to the base slowly close behind them, Rex makes once last attempt to save Omega, Nala Se and Emerie, but Omega uses the force to push Rex, Wolfe and Gregor through the closing doors. Rex continues to bang on the door until Wolfe and Gregor help him realize they're out of time.

• Rex, Gregor and Wolfe escape Tantiss as it completely blows up. In one of the final scenes, we see the bodies of Wrecker, Crosshair, Hunter, and Echo/Cody being consumed by the flames one by one. Finally we see Omega, Nala Se and Emerie embracing each other. As the flames from the final explosion surround them, Omega forms a force bubble around them to give them all a bit more time with each other before Omega lets go and they are all disintegrated by the flames.

• Conflicted between the joy of freeing their clone brothers and the devastation of losing the Bad Batch and Cody, Rex, Gregor and Wolfe view this as their final mission and decide to "retire" off-grid in Seelos.

• In the final scene, we see Sidious accompanied by Mas Amedda visiting what remains of Tantiss. In talking to Mas Amedda, Sidious suggests that he took extra precaution to ensure that his cloning chamber could survive an attack like the one Tantiss experienced. As they walk throughout the chamber, we're shown that almost all of Sidious’ clones look rather deformed. These deformed clones are a product of failed experiments in which Hemlock attempted to use normal clone troopers to produce abled-body Sidious clones. As Sidious goes from clone to clone, we see Snoak as well as Rey's dad which finally closes that loop for us. Finally, we see Sidious smile underneath his cloak. He begins to laugh devilishly as he stands before an identical clone of himself which he created using the only sample of Omega's blood Hemlock was able to attain.

I don’t think they directly turned her on purpose—but she worked with Mobile Surgical Unit 5 and most likely worked with other Mobile Surgical units throughout the war.

Despite what might be posited about why Anakin and ObiWan couldn’t heal their master or mother, there may be a very simple answer as to why they didn’t or couldn’t do it.

Force healing is a painful process. An extremely painful process for the force user when they use it. They don’t lose any their M count by doing it—but they take in the suffering of the other person they are trying to heal into them.

This also may be why it is or was impossible for Dath Plagues to heal himself. It would have created a loop. You take in the pain of yourself which must be healed by yourself which is done by taking in the suffering of yourself.

Barriss being part of a surgical unit was taking in all of the suffering that other Jedi were causing to the clones and the civilians that served under the Jedi battles. She was feeling all of the pain, hurt, trauma, and suffering that was being experienced by the Jedi.

This leads to what she did in the Temple. She knew the suffering that was being inflicted on the clones first hand. She saw the aftermath every day. She felt the suffering every day and brought it into herself. She wanted to end the suffering being caused. Some of the clones most likely spoke of Ahsoka and the critical injuries she and Analkn were causing to both clones and civilians. She most likely even had to heal Jedi along the way.

When she said boldly, “The only thing the Jedi Council believes in is Violence” it was because she had seen the results of the war every day. She most likely saw the clones she healed more than once. She saw the suffering of the same bold stratagem of the Jedi in physical and emotional wounds more than once.

She had had enough… and had to do something. The Jedi had become the purveyor of suffering that led to the Dark Side in the war and she wanted the darkness to end.

I have a theory about what project necromancer and what m-count is. I believe that project necromancer is the emperors cloning project and allows him to live for the sequels but I also think that m-count stands for medichlorian (is that how you spell it? Yk the thing Qui-Gon talks about in Ep.1) as it would make sense for the Emperor wanting a donor with a high m-count to only perform the most powerful of force abilities, and since omega passed the count it probably means she is force sensitive

Is it just me, or are they 2 completely different people. Like, what, a week max in hyperspace? Days perhaps? And he goes from.being who he was to a gloating person who cares about power? It just makes so little sense. This has been bugging me, I get I've over analyzed the character, but its just... it doesn't seem to add up to me, and finally I needed outside opinions

With Baylon skoll finding a statue of the father pointing towards something and Anakins force ghost managing to appear a literal galaxy away it’s very likely a force nexus exists on Peridia (personally I think it’s Abeloth). Could this be why Sabine who showed no aptitude to the force previously was able to use it? Take for instance Dathomir, it is closely linked with the force and allows the nightsisters many of whom aren’t force sensitive to draw on the Force and use Magic. Many nightsisters can’t even use said magic off world so it’s obviously boosted by the planet itself.

Could be Sabine just got it naturally, I mean Kanan did say that all beings have the force you just have to open yourself to it. I didn’t see a theory on this already though so I figured I’d take a guess

(btw sorry for the caps but at first I wrote that on paper and then copied It with Google Lens) 1ST SCENARIO: PADME DIES AND BECOMES ONE WITH THE COSMIC FORCE, LIKE EVERY SOUL WOULD. ANAKIN DIES AND BECOMES ONE WITH THE FORCE TOO, BUT THANKS TO OBI-WAN'S TEACHINGS, HE BECOMES A FORCE GHOST, WITH THE CONSCIENCE AND MEMORIES OF ANAKIN SKYWALKER. RESULT= THEY DO NOT MEET IN THE AFTER LIFE

2ND SCENARIO: PADME DIES AND BECOMES ONE WITH THE FORCE. I GOT THEORY ON HOW PEOME WOULD STILL HAVE HER CONSCIENCE: THE FACT THAT PADME WAS IN THE PATH OF THE CHOSEN ONE WAS NOT AN ACCIDENT. AS QUI GON SAID THEIR MEETING WAS NOT A CASUAL FACT , BUT IT WAS WANTED BY THE FORCE ITSELF, ALSO, PADME WAS THE CLOSEST PERSON TO ANAKIN, THEIR SOULS WERE ABSOLUTELY CONNECTED, A CONNECTION STRENGHTENED BY THE FORCE WILL. THAT WOULD SUGGEST A CHANGE IN THE NORMAL STATE OF THINGS. PADME WAS THE ABSOLUTE GAME CHANGER FOR ANAKIN, SHE ALSO LOOKS KINDA ENLIGHTENED BY THE FORCE, AS SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE BESIDES LUKE THAT KNEW THERE WAS STILL GOOD IN ANAKIN, LUKE KNEW IT THANKS TO THE FORCE, MAYBE IT'S THE SAME FOR PADME, KINDA LIKE IF THE FORCE WHISPERED INTO HER HEART. SO THEY MET IN THE AFTER LIFE. Idk guys maybe I'm just making excuses because I like the idea of them getting back together. Tell me what do you think.

I think the operative in The Bad Batch season 3 episodes 6&7 is Tech. Some of the speech patterns are the same (pauses, etc), and giving blunt answers the same way. Also, not following orders and following the team down the tunnel, etc is something a defective clove would do.

Also, I think they "stole" the sharpshooter ability from crosshair (since he betrayed the Empire) and "gave" it to the operative.

This is a theory I have had for awhile. I will be the first to admit that it is not the original intent of George Lucas but it is how my ADHD brain has compiled the movies(mostly 1-6), a lot of the old school video games and the original legends universe. I would love to hear some constructive feedback but I also understand this could probably tick a lot of people off so just know that is not my intent.

As many people know the force is more than just a power source but has a will of its own that impacts all life forms. While the phrase light side is not used in the movies I will use it for the sake of simplicity. Lucas wanted the Jedi to be the truest form of balance but as can be seen through the movies, they are constantly evolving, dying and resurrecting. The Sith are supposed to be the evil path of desires that corrupts the force. Sadly the force never truly reaches a point of balance. The Jedi rise, the Sith fall. The Sith Rise the Jedi Fall. If the Jedi are the truest point of balance then they should never have been crushed by the empire due to the guidance of the force. If you look at the force as good and evil then both sides should be equal. From Revan to Bane, Anakin to Luke, the only balance is one side controlling 100% countless deaths and then the other side controlling 100%.

Even going back to the original force users, the force is always in a constant state of change which results in not only the deaths of force users but entire planets. If the force has a will then it’s logic is either circular or a lie. The Jedi follow the force and yet somehow are blinded by the dark side, so is the light side weaker? The Sith contain more destructive power and try to chain the force to their will and yet they somehow keep falling down shafts and not dying. Could it be that their really is no light side or dark side but just the force. I don’t mean to go to religious but the only way the will of the force makes any moral sense is if their is restoration in some kind of after life, but besides force ghosts, I don’t know of any force heaven/hell. What I am leading to is that the force is one being and it really has no value of sentient life even though it is connected to all life.

Thankfully the force is not completely unstoppable as shown by Jedi killing assassins like Boba Fett. The problem is not choosing the right side or trying to balance the force as the grey Jedi. The only way to beat the force is to not play its game at all. Even if you reach true balance like Revan, you will be shunned and abandoned by the force and force users. The Jedi and Sith will continue to fight but if enough people gathered in skill, they could resist both Jedi and Sith. The Jedi could be forced to stop taking children and manipulating them like a cult and the Sith could be kept out of the government power. The final problem is what to do about the force. As a man with depression I know what it feels like to have a malevolent presence that only wants my destruction. Just like mental disabilities, the force could never truly be destroyed but it could be managed. As some of you can see I have a talent for ticking people off so I would probably find a force nexus sit down and try to emotionally torment it just like it tormented the universe. Would it be effective? Probably not but as I told a group larpers I faced pretending to be Gods,” I have never killed a God!”

This is the first time I have ever written this theory down so honestly I still have a lot of work before I call it finished. Hopefully It’s not completely stupid but I have had fun sharing it. If there are other sources the prove or disprove my idea I would love to hear or chat about them

May the force reside in you but never control you.

The Bad Batch team is very similar to Halo's Noble Team with its members, who they're protecting, and (I believe) their demise. Both teams have the commander, the sniper, the muscle, the technician, and the new member. The only one who doesn't perfectly cross over to Bad Batch would be Emile. Both teams are made up of biologically-enhanced soldiers. Both teams are protecting an artificially created female with unique mental abilities (in Halo Reach, this was Cortana and in Bad Batch it's obviously Omega).

In Halo Reach, members of Noble Team got killed off one by one as the campaign's story progressed. Tech is already (presumed) dead, so the same process may already have started for the Bad Batch. The initial deaths of both teams were also purely sacrificial ones (Tech's death and Jorge's death).

The only surviving member of Noble Team was its sniper, Jun. I think we could see that happen here where the whole team sacrifices themselves for Omega, but Crosshair somehow stays alive (possibly because of his redemption arc).

I've always thought that this show's team could end like Halo Reach's team did because of these similarities. They introduced a whole team of new elite soldiers that I think would be hard to keep around after the show in the post-Clone Wars era lore. Unless they're all just gonna go live happily ever after on Pabu.

I have recently been looking into different planets surrounding environments for a project. However, I could not find any information on Mortis. I understand its more of a dimension than a planet, but I was curious if it had a Sun, twin Suns, a moon etc. With the weather and atmosphere being (seemingly) linked with the Ones, I also wonder what degree of control they have over celestial objects around them. Unfortunately I cant rewatch CW to look myself for another week so any factual feedback about the environment, or any theories about the environment are all welcomed. Thanks in advance!

Theory about Palpatines motives (bad batch spoilers)

So I am loving the new season of bad batch so far and I feel like they are really flushing out Palpatine. But after seeing episode 3 it gave me a new idea

So in Episode 3 we see Palpatine is i eased with the ability to create clones that have as high or higher M counts than their template. This makes sense for him long term, because he can move his mind and essence into different bodies in order to preserve his life, he needs a body that can handle his power

And in Rise of the Skywalker, we see Palpatine is heavily trying to get Rey to stoke him down with her hatred. I believe if he could have freely possessed her body he would have, so he probably needed her to be connected to the dark side in order from him take her body

With these two points my theory is Palpatine never intended for Anakin to be is long term apprentice. Think about it, if Palpatines goal was immortality, why keep around Anakin, the one person who could eventually become more powerful than him and destroy him? Unless, Palpatines entire goal was to steal convert Anakin to the dark side, and use essence transfer to destroy Anakins mind and posses his body. The cruel genius of Palpatines mind with Anakins insane M count, he would have been the most powerful sith to ever live

Would appreciate if you guys checked it out <3

https://youtu.be/tNZSEyhF-YU

Also happy to talk about my theories, and I did even have three different options to choose from!

Of course, I'm forcing the last option quite obviously but would like to hear what you guys think about it...

^(Also, don't go hard on my editing trying to learn :D)

I mean most imperial units such as stormtroopers had extremly hard and challenging training in academies and standards so high many people were not able to pass the training. Eventually TIE pilots or NCOs were even more tough. So where did the rest serve?

My question is if there was some unit/branch in the galactic empire where pretty much anyone even incompetent guys were able to make it with minimal requirements. Basically what is the imperial unit for weaker individuals. If I had to guess myself I think imperial army (the ones seen in solo). Also I thought about imperial crewmen (the guys with grey jumpsuits aboard star destroyers and other ships/bases) but I would really love to hear someone else's opinion.

All throughout the prequels it is expressed that Anakin is the chosen one who will bring balance to the force. I don’t really understand this as his “mission” as the chosen one is to destroy the sith, but wouldn’t it make more sense to have both “good” and “evil” parties as this creates true balance? You can’t have light without darkness and The Force is a balance of both, not inhalation of one. Thoughts?

Here is video describing the Star Wars "Mirror Universe". Star Trek had a Mirror Universe, this is where the oppressive Terran Empire takes the place of the United Federation of Planets, the Mirror Universe of Star Wars is somewhat different, the main departure point from the main timeline is where Anakin doesn't turn to the dark side, this is described in this video: https://youtu.be/gxVDYxB\_uKE?si=pUzTQFwMuGzDYfVR

It still blows my mind that Star Wars Republic Commando never received its well deserved sequel, especially in todays market of first person shooters. I think it would be something else if we were to all stop reminiscing about it and actually brought it to Disney's attention, who knows. I think a sequel for Republic Commando would be cool!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svmnXRZFyns&t=114s

The creators and stewards of The Republic organized millions of star systems spanning geographies so large that the human mind can’t begin to comprehend them, into a single, unified government. This government remained for over 20,000 years and helped bring security and prosperity to trillions of beings across the galaxy—this feat alone is beyond commendable.

Yet, despite its role as a (largely) unifying and stabilizing force among intergalactic states, members of The Republic remained marred by extreme inequality and injustice. Speciesism, classism, corruption— all of these plagued Republic society and created chasms among different groups which frequently led to large-scale military conflicts.

My question is this: in a galaxy where the average citizen has access to technology, information, medicine, etc. that we Earthlings can’t begin to fathom, how can it be that its inhabitants can’t find a way to solve seemingly basic collective action problems? I know that George and other SW writers obviously intentionally made this a feature of the universe so that human beings would be able to relate to it, but were they getting at a deeper, more fundamental truth? Do you think George would agree that his films essentially make the argument that pure egalitarianism, pure democracy, is an abject impossibility in this world or any other?

Things that hinted about darth vader not being a sith: he never used the force lightning, indicating that he didn’t want to use the dark side of the force but he was heartbroken and didn’t know what to do so he did what he was told by palpatine

I got another therory

You know how In the second movie Anakin says tat he hasn’t seen padme in 10 years but LATER obi wan says that it was ALMOST 10 years since the death of syfo dyas so just to be clear let’s say it’s 9 years ago. Anyway that means that syfo dyas was alive during the testing of Anakin and he was a leading member and of the Jedi council witch would to me means that he should have been able to see Anakins future and prevent everything bad that happened.

Full explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H-RL0I9tVQ

I believe Count Dooku is the most underrated character in Star Wars. After his recent episodes in Tales of the Jedi I feel it highlights that his opinions were completely justified even though his actions were very questionable to say the least. I wish he had more screentime throughout the prequels but its safe to say whenever he did he completely stole the show. What do you think?

Idk if this belongs her pls direst me to some place better if so

This is has themes and ideas from other shows

The context: This is set in an alternate reality to the sequels and was an idea I came up with out of boredom. So this is set about 10 - 15 years after the fall of the empire, this part is set months after palpatines death. as a part of emperor palatines plans he sent a small colony fleet to the far reaches of space outside the galaxy to a collection of ancient sith planets that have been long speculated if they even exist. as a part of palpatines death plans he wanted to bring seed to a new sith apprentice to avenge his death. the small colony fleet arrives above several of the planets and scans for natural resources to not only refuel but to also build a new sith order, the colony fleet had hauled along materials to build a orbiting station (similar to what we see in the mandolorian on the heist episode) over a course of 15 years this small colony makes massive strides in population and has made entire fleets of imperial ships ready to take back the galaxy by force, inside the starwars galaxy the new republic is slowly losing a grip on its populus as it isnt equipped to run/rule the galaxy, they have lost their grip on the outer rim and the core worlds are in turmoil. The empire send a reconnaissance fleet to survey the galaxy and to find planets that they can stage their hq on. Murmurs of a new order that promise peace and security echo throughout the galaxy.

If you want me to post more I can and in better depth.

Tell me your thoughts so far

(i don’t think this would ever happen but it’s been on my my and i can’t shake it)

What if before Anakin/Vader killed the younglings the bowed and promised allegiance to him?

Would he kill them anyway?

Would he accept them and train them to be his inquisitors?

If Anakin/Vader did accept the younglings loyalty would Sidious have left him to die on Mustafar?

Or would Sidious still save Anakin/Vader and making him do his dirty work for the empire till the younglings were fully trained the kill Anakin/Vader?

Or when the younglings were fully trained would Anakin/Vader use them to help over throw Sidious and take his place as the emperor?

like i said i don’t think this would actually happen but i always have these crazy what ifs? rolling around in my head and i thought i would share one :D let me know your thoughts!!

So recently it seems we've seen tons of unusual content popping up with Mickey Mouse entering public domain. With more popular characters slowly entering the public domain, it just begs for the question of what will eventually happen with Star Wars (which will be public in 2072).

Personally, I think Star Wars will have come long evolved from Disney at this point, maybe even being no longer apart of the company. Additionally, I feel there would likely already be remakes for at least the original trilogy considering how old they would be and to help tie the lore together better. As for public domain, I feel that freedom to use the property would likely mean more bigger fan projects being put out constanly. Additionally, I could see Star Wars fans come together to craft their own Star Wars lore timeline, perhaps in motivation to fix the mistakes of the sequel, prequel, and smaller issues in the original trilogy along with other projects in Star Wars while also making way for entirely new and unique stories.

Overall, these are just my thoughts but I'd be interested to see what others think.

Anakin's complicated feelings about the Jedi Order lead him to create a tulpa (essentially an imaginary friend that diverges from your consciousness and out of your control) which holds his criticisms and negative experiences with the order. Due to his immense force power, this tulpa merges with the consciousness of Count Dooku before the events of Attack of the Clones and leads to Dooku turning to the dark. When Anakin kills Dooku in ROTS, the tulpa reunites with his main consciousness leading to his ultimate fall happening so quickly.

After defeating Dooku, Grievous captures Anakin alongisde Palpatine, Obi-Wan and R2, if somehow Anakin managed to avoid Grievous escaping and defeats him (with or without Obi-Wan's help), therefore, basically ending the Clone Wars, now would he be then granted the rank of master? I mean, he rescues the chancellor of the galactic republic, he eliminates a Sith Lord (Dooku) and also defeats General Grievous, commander of the droid armies, ending the Clone Wars.

Everyone talks about Padme being basically a sex offender for going after young Anakin.

What if Anakin… the kid that grows up to be basically pure evil incarnate, gradually and subtly Jedi mind tricked Padme during his puberty years to twist their platonic thing into something else. What if there was an unholy grooming that results in a faux/pseudo “love”. Seems like something a budding, hormonal Pre-Vader who was robbed of a maternal figure might do