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If Luke Skywalker's New Jedi Order's lightsaber forms (The three rings of defense) we're developed at an earlier time such as pre clone war or old Republic, how do we feel about the possibility of it then replacing Niman in large part? It's believed that someone could get incredibly good with the three rings in the span of a year for Jaden Korr to battle the disciples of Ragnos, and besides lacking a dedicated dual saber component, it seems to cover bases more effectively than Niman since practitioners don't seem to have difficulty using the force between sequences.
I know everybody says “non Jedi or force users can’t be force ghosts or have there counciounce” but I think that’s all wrong. The Jedi that appear are not force ghosts they are merely appearing from the other realm through new abilities it was only qui gon who learnt to do this briefly before the clone wars only sharing with master yoda sometime before order 66. The “nether realm” which is the version of Star Wars heaven I’m sure is a place where all living beings pass through and this is stated, however many things suggest otherwise but quigons ability to appear and speak as his individual self shows spirits can survive alltboigh yes they becoume one with the force, but I’d still rather believe that people live on as spirits in another place, are all living things not symbionts with medichaloreans and the force. Having a higher force sensitivity wouldn’t change the fact you are all becoming one with the force it just means people who don’t have that ability and control like average people and Padme have no control over this, so think of it as the holy trinity they are all one and yet they are different although padme and other people wouldn’t have ability’s to control there spirit, the spirit which is one with the force would live on so in my own deluded head they are together
!!<Hux being the spy in Rise of Skywalker is one of the worst character shifts in modern movie history.
I've read a theory/joke that Huxx in Rise of Skywalker is a different character entirely, which could make sense if it was written realistically. I would actually like that. The heroes would be overjoyed at first, but after thinking about it they would realize. Huxx ordered the destruction of nearly the entire republic? Why would he betray the Empire like this now?
Then he reveals himself to be a clone, complex droid, force projection by an enemy force user or something. The fact that the information provided by said spy basically brings both Rey and Kylo to Palpatine kinda confirms this theory in my mind. It would preserve OG determined Huxx and make the whole spy thing make some slight sense>!!<
In 1996 Michael P. Kube-McDowell wrote a Star Wars novel called Before the Storm. It was the first in the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy. The series featured a new and radically xenophobic race called the Yevetha who unleashed a genocidal purge on their little corner of the galaxy. Much of the plot was focused on a divided and sectarian New Republic rallying behind Chief of State Leia Organa Solo as she championed the cause of military intervention against the Yevetha. This story closely mirrored the troubling real-world events that had unfolded in both Rwanda and the former Yugoslav republics only 2 years before, and in many ways, were continuing to unfold deep into the next decade. Terrible acts of genocide were carried out on prime time news, yet much of the world, despite calls for action in the United Nations, just sat back and did nothing.
Then, in 1999, a new series of Star Wars books was released. In the New Jedi Order (written by a who's who collection of veteran Star Wars authors) we were once again introduced to a new and fearsome enemy, the Yuuzhan Vong. They were a fanatical and nihilistic race from another galaxy that embraced pain as a purifying and cleansing force and sought to subjugate and annihilate the "infidels". In the first book of the series, the only Star Wars novel ever written by famed fantasy author R.A. Salvatore, we were shocked by the death of Chewbacca. For the next four years, we read on with excitement and terror as the galaxy was nearly brought to its knees by the Yuuzhan Vong invasion and the splintering New Republic was reformed into the Galactic Federation of Free Alliances. And once again, a stark parallel can be drawn to events occurring in the real world. On September 11, 2001, the tides of radical Islamism boiled over when terrorists flew airliners into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. The next 8 years were a whirlwind of war and fear mongering that almost destroyed the democracy we hold so dear.
At the same time, the prequel trilogy was in theaters, and very obvious parallels can be drawn between the fall of the Republic under Palpatine and the shadow wars of George W Bush and Dick Cheney. In 19 BBY, during his State of the Republic Address, Palpatine even referred to the separatist planets of Felucia, Mygeeto, and Saleucami as a "Triad of Evil". This is a clear reference to Bushes labeling of Iran, Iraq, and North Korea as an "Axis of Evil" in his 2002 State of the Union Address.
I am only just realizing it, but Star Wars may be the most historically/socially reflective and impacting literature of our time.
so I'm watching clone wars and then the mortis plot came and etc and now I have many questions.
so did anakin became the god of mortis right after the father, daughter and son died? or did he only became this force-ghost-god when he died and became one with the force? if so, is there a daughter and son figure or is it just him? and last question: is it canon?
please halp
If you could enter the Star Wars universe at any given time as a Jedi with the same power level/skillset as Prime Dooku, what species would you be and who/what would you pick as your Wife/Husband/Saber/Apprentice/Ship/Pet/Home world, mine would be:
Species: Human/Zabrak Hybrid. Residence: Camp on Naboo next to Lake Paonga. Saber: Single Blue Blade. Job: Independent Jedi. Spouse: Master Orla Jareni. Apprentice: Bariss Offee. Pet: Tusk Cat Ship: Halo (SS-54 Assault ship).
The show says it's Grogu, but I have my doubts - let's wear our thinking caps together, r/StarWarsTheories.
We are first introduced to the character's "name" by Ahsoka in chapter 13 of The Mandalorian (titled The Jedi). However, I have reason to believe that her memory is not as quite as the Star Wars community believes. I don't quite trust the word of someone that hasn't seen Baby Yoda since her teen years. She has gone through multiple traumatic events (see Rebels, obviously) between Order 66 and her appearance in The Mandalorian, which would have an effect on memory. According to a slew of sources, PTSD has an adverse effect on your overall memory. Healthline states that it may lead to an overall decrease in memory and increase in forgetfulness, which would obviously exacerbate the already forgetful mind of a child. Therefore, we cannot assume the fact that Ahsoka would just remember Baby Yoda's name. Not to mention that Aurebesh is really hard to read! There are a lot of characters that are exceedingly similar to one another, making reading comprehension more challenging. It is very possible that she mixed up some letters when she read the name. For example, the U and G are quite similar, so his name may actually be "Grugg."
Exhibit B: Take a look at Yoda and Yaddle. These are the only two officially confirmed members of Yoda's species (other than a few canon-questionable characters). Methinks there's a naming scheme at play! It does not take a sleuth or detective to see that both of these names start with Y. Why would LucasFilm suddenly take such an extreme departure from the preexisting naming conventions? It would not make any sense for the canon, and they would have been just as successful naming the character something like "Yogu." It may not be a particularly large sample size but, as Star Wars fans, we are simply forced to work with the information at our disposal.
Finally, we can safely set aside a large part of the Disney canon as being largely incorrect. There are CONSTANT contradictions in the Disney timeline, so we can't simply take what they say at face value. Take the recent example in The Acolyte with the kyber crystals. Therefore, we can't just see that they named him "Grogu" and assume that's his actual name.
None of this is a 100% confirmation that his name is not in fact Grogu, but we can't just assume it is. There is REASONABLE DOUBT that his name is in fact Grogu, and there is more than enough room in the Star Wars canon for his name to be different. The final point I have to make is that "Grogu" is simply a ridiculous name. It sounds like a poor imitation of what a Star Wars name would have been in the original trilogy, and it breaks my heart to see that so much of the Star Wars canon has been reduced to such a state.
In conclusion, I have loved Star Wars my entire life, and I love that we have places like this to discuss different ideas about the Star Wars canon. We may not see eye-to-eye on this opinion or any others, but I look forward to productive discussion about Baby Yoda's name and what it truly may be. Thanks for reading. See you in the comments!
I get that in Clone Wars Palpatine puts the plot rumor to bed saying to move past it but I feel like there’s no way not one Jedi in the order thought it would be a good idea to further look into the situation and dig a little deeper to uncover what 5’s found. Or even just second guess that the chips weren’t there to let someone(Palpatine)control them. What do you think?
In the clone wars we see the Jedi constantly calling themselves “keepers of the peace” but doesn’t them joining the republic contradict that core value? There are many episodes in clone wars where we see the senate holding open debates on the war, and almost all of the senators of the republic push on for more clones and more war. The main exceptions to those senators are Senators Amidala and Organa. These few were the only senators who actually supported not pushing on the war and negotiating for compromise. Now obviously that would’ve never worked because of palpatine controlling the whole war but none of the senators knew that. So that being said why would the Jedi essentially support the aggressors in the clone wars? Only to be deceived by Palpatine by clouding their vision of seeing a Sith lord ruling the republic.
Another thing that bothers me is how Obi-wan was so loyal to the republic through it all. We see alot of characters start to question the republic and if they really are the right side to be fighting for but never Obi-wan. Does anyone have a good answer to why he never questioned the republic and stood by the republic even after it was revealed that Palpatine (the ruler of the republic) was a Sith lord? I say that because of him telling Anakin “his allegiance is to the republic” on Mustafar. Like surely after a plot that huge ends up being true you don’t support the government with a leader like that right? Idk….just some thoughts I wanted to share and maybe get other viewpoints on.
At some point, while fighting Rey, Kylo notices she is strong in the force but kinda awkward with it. So he lets her think that he lost, with hopes to abduct her later. He does, as in Ep7, but he doesn't actually leave here alone in the room, he gives her a vision of events as he wants them to happen, hoping she'd trust him to give away the location of the rebels, as he suspects that she's in training with Luke. When she escapes, he controls her experience by letting a clone escape with her, and a captured pilot. Are these actual people, or her creativity? He creates a way for her to discover Luke's location, hoping she'd say "no need, I know where he is" but then watches her creatively figure out how Luke hid himself. He's, of course, not on the planet in real life. He introduces Han Solo to her, hoping that is the person she interacted with. Still, no go. He kills Han in a vision. Is he really dead, or was he even alive during this time? So, not to make it to long (and not to show my forgetfulness of specific plot points), all these events we saw in the movies happened in Rey's mind. Force healing. Leia's space walk. Palpatine somehow returning. A planet shrouded by a space storm where no technology was brought (and no people seem to live) but where a massive fleet was built. How much is Kylo, and how much is Rey contributing to this lie? The force talk (yeah, here's my ignorance lol) is also just Kylo actually speaking to her, as he is controlling what she experiences, and not a rare force phenomenon.
Episode X: Resurrections, then, deals with a very alive Kylo, as Rey is surprised to find from her home on Tatooine. Her stories, she realizes eventually, were deceptive, prompting her to seek a mentor to defeat the monster who controlled her for who knows how long. She will meet heroes long dead, but will she be able to destroy Kylo's reign of terror in the end?
Edit to add disclaimer: I haven't watched some more recent shows, so I don't know if this no longer works out. Feel free to let me know as much. I love the stories, but I know I have knowledge gaps of the universe.
I've been doing some fiction writing, and recently stumbled across some notes I apparently wrote while high awhile back, and wanted to know just how dumb this might sound:
Somehow palatine survived possible explanation
Poe: "He had apparently fallen just below the major shaft explosion right as it hit. But the major upwind created from the shaft exhaust system directed it away from Palpatine’s fall. And apparently, braced it somewhat."
Other: "Are we sure of that? And What do we know of these Sith rumors?"
That's all I wrote. Please be harsh lol.
Galen Marek is alive at the end of The Force Unleashed (the 1st game). In the light-sided finale, we see Galen deflect emperor's force lightning using the force, resulting in an explosion, much like when Yoda fought the emperor in Revenge of the Sith. In the aftermath, we see Galen laying on the floor and emperor with Vader standing over him, with the only evidence of his death being that Vader says it just by looking at him, he could've just as much be alive and knocked out for all we know, just as Yoda was alive after so similar explosion.
Moving on to the 2nd game, we're now following supposed clone of Galen, Starkiller, but, what if he is the real Galen. There are few pieces of evidence to suggest that. First, his presence in Kamino's cloning facility doesn't necessarily mean he's a clone, he could've been a genetic template, like Jango Fett was.
Next, his memories of Galen's life and specifically Juno Eclipse. I just don't believe for a clone to be able to inherit memories. I see more likely the possibility that his memory was erased and he was gaslit to believe he is a clone by Vader, then an imperfection in the memory wipe process could make it possible for his old memories to resurface after some time.
He appears to be more advanced than other clones of him, with the exception of the one that kills him in the dark-side ending.
When rescued, Rahm Kota believed him to be the real Marek, like sensed the truth with the force, I believe he would've sensed if Starkiller wasn't the original Galen.
I believe what actually happened is that, Galen fought Vander and the Emperor on the Death Star when rescuing the rebels and when he was deflecting lightning, the explosion knocked him out, Vader claimed he was dead and put him in stasis chamber to use him to use him as genetic sample for cloning, clones didn't work out well, he put him out of stasis chamber and erased his memories, tried training him again but he regained his memories as the proces was imperfect.
In the beginning of Episode V, Han, Lea, C3P0 and Chewy escape the rebel base on Hoth in the Millenium Falcon just as Darth Vader enters the hangar and watches them leave. In Obi-Wan’s series we see him easily hold a much larger ship from flying off with ease. This would mean Vader had the option to stop The Falcon but chooses not to. Wonder why he would do that?
Basically I'm looking back at the Original Trilogy, where Vader is essentially the head of the military arm of the Empire. He leads the Empire in their quest to destroy the rebellion and whatnot. But Vader has this presence throughout that seems almost aloof and really above what's going on with the rebellion. He's not its leader; he doesnt really have much of a stake in the organization besides the existance of his master.
I get the sense that if some other story had happened, where the Empire was defeated but Vader had no idea his son or daughter was behind it, and didn't turn good and was still alive after the regime fell, he more or less wouldn't care. I feel like he would still be about the galaxy, eventually becoming some urban legend or something but only being a little more aimless without his master ordering him about.
I guess it also provides a little bit of contrast with Kylo Ren, who is very much a part of the First Order and seems to only really see himself in terms of leading that particular regime. It's really emphasized how different he is from Vader throughout the trilogy, and especially in Rise of Skywalker where he feels absolutely useless once he is taken to the Final Order where he has almost no power or authority.
I also really feel like this isn't much of a hot take, like Sith aren't supposed to care about the backs their administrations run on, but it's something I never really thought about until earlier today. Especially in the OT as well it's next to impossible to really get a reading of Vader's character, since he wasn't really intended to have much of one back in 1977 and I'm not sure it really even matters in the context of that trilogy. It's just one of those ideas that I find myself thinking about instead of doing my homework.
Anakin was not balanced well, and he had too much pain and emotion and he used the force for bad things. Yoda on the other hand was calm and did not want to fight by any means, he was wise, and was real strong in the force even stronger than Vader, he did doubt Anakin to be the chosen one at least him and Windu.
I think yoda would have destroyed the Sith and bring balance to the force easily.
Say a battle on the frontlines goes badly wrong. The 501st manages to extract Anakin, but he is horribly injured in the same was as in canon. What are the consequences? Without taking the role as Vader, I imagine he’d need months of recovery at the temple. Who takes over Ashoka’s training, leadership of the 501st? Does Palpatine still hold interest or would he view him as a failure? How does his relationship with Padme change? And what would happen once Anakin is recovered enough to return to the front in a life support suit similar to Vader?
What if Padme cheated on Anakin with Jar Jar? Who knows what he can do with that tongue, and Padme wanted to find out. Jar Jar is still a strong force user, to remain as an undetected sith, he would have to rival Anakin and Palpatine's power, so it makes sense Luke is also very strong with the force.
Watch out for any indications that Luke and Leia have some gungan tendencies... I have to rewatch the series. Maybe thats why Jaba the Hut found Leia attractive? It all makes sense now.
Grogu became a mandalorian but I think after din djarin died if he did grogu would likely reach out through the force and find what he should become. He would have became a jedi is the most likely because he has one of the strongest connections to the force and one the last jedi is what he would be and i think he would be led to ahsoka after reach out through the force and she would teach him how to use a shota lightsaber and if he came to ahsoka he would be taught form V by ahsoka and and eventually adopt form IV(ataru) because he can jump and flip alot because that's what Yoda could do. I think even if din djarin didn't die in this theory we would still reach out to the force. Ahsoka and Luke is the only jedi who knows his species and before you say it I know ahsoka technically is not a jedi.
Grogu would be taught form 5 and then teach himself form 4 and for years and years grogu would work on his skill and connection to the force . And once he became older he would have fought people like the first order but I don't think KYLO REN would have the skill to beat grougu at this stage because KYLO would be 30 and grogu would be almost fifty but I think grogu would be wise to not try and fight the first order and let the force decide what to do and tell him when he should battle.
Due to the life span of his species he could have trained for a few hundred years and at this point then a new sith order would have been made he would be the most powerful being in the galaxy most likely die of old age because Rey could have started a new order of jedi and he could be a teacher for the new order and be the grandmaster but eventually die of old age so he would have a similar fate as his grandfather Yoda if their even related
So we know there are vergences in the Force, right? And that Mae and Osha were created by one. So if that's the case, then based on their looks, they must have had at least a little bit from Mother Anasea as well as the other witch. So in that case, the person who creates the vergence, by the looks of things, puts a bit of themselves in the being that they've created using the vergence, which to me suggests that Palpatine, (as I assume he is going to create the vergence for Anakin) puts a bit of himself in Anakin through that vergence, if that's how vergences are going to work. That looks to be the case to me. It's probably a bit of a reach, but we'll see. Thanks for reading any feed back would be appreciated :).
just now I finished watching Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith for the third, fourth time. I believe it is one of the most important episodes of the entire saga given the various events known to us. The event I would like to talk to you about is the battle between Yoda and Palp. I always thought Yoda was one of the strongest characters and most capable of using the force. My question lies in why Yoda couldn't defeat Palp, or at least hurt him or something. Maybe Palp should be considered more powerful than Yoda and therefore any other being (regarding the first trilogy)?
I don't know why I have never made this connection. The temple on Lothal is very possibly a cannon incarnation of the Star Temples that were built by the Kwa, at the direction of the Celestials (ie. the Ones; the Father, the Daughter, and the Son).
The Kwa were among many of the Celestials client races as they went about shaping the galaxy and its races at a whim.
The cannon Lothal Jedi Temple: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/0/04/Jedi_Temple_on_Lothal.png
The 'Prime' Star Temple on Dathomir: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/6/6a/StarTemple-SWREP23.jpg
Each Kwa Star Temple housed an 'Infinity Gate' within; every gateway was connected, allowing instantaneous travel across the stars. These powerful technological constructs used the power of the Force to achieve this.
So I posit that Ahsoka Season 2 will definitely involve Abeloth, the Mother, and possibly the Kwa/Rakata.
The Rakata were a powerful client race that rebelled against the Celestials (likely at the directive of Abeloth) and conquered first the Kwa, and then the rest of the client races and the entire Galaxy, using powerful dark side technology, until a mysterious plague killed many of them and cut off their connection to the force. This triggered a series of violet slave revolts that saw the galaxy throw off its chains, and in a number of generations, the Corellians and Duros were reverse-engineering the Rakata Force-powered Hyperdrive into something that could enable faster than light travel from anywhere in the Galaxy.
Tasi Lowa is the Padawan of Yord. I can't help but wonder if she was a one off character or if she will return for some reason.
If she is a one off character why not have her go with them to Kofar and die. Why would you even make her Yord's Padawan and not another Jedi Knight if she is a one off character.
Will she seek vengeance in a later season? I doubt she is the sith lord but that would be a poorly written twist so it's possibly Disney could do it.
Anyone else wondering what her future holds?
I think Qimir is a Red herring who gets killed by Sol. Sol becomes Darth Plagieus. Sol seems to be very vulnerable to the darkside and his strongest motivation for joining could be driven by wishing he could have prevented the Jedi he cares about from dying. I see him more as a Dooku than a Palpatine.
Quirmir said it was a long time since he was an Jedi, he even repeats it. It made me question how old he really is and how it comes that he looks so young.
Do we have any speculations here in that regard ?. The show itself doesn't seem to give us answers here.
If two Jedi padawans left the order with a clone marshal commander and a clone trooper corp of 222,000, to go liberate the galaxy from corruption tyranny and slavery, specifically starting on Tatooine and going for Jabba the Hutt, what republic warships would they need and exactly how many would they need?
PS I know the hutts have been allies of the Republic since the start of the clone wars but this is just a question
As I've been watching the newer series I've been trying to connect pieces to each other where I can. One has been all of the witches and their history and locations. The other had been the poem of the twins, Osha and Mae, that binds them together:
"You’re with me, I’m with you, always one, but born as two. As above sit the stars and below lies the seas, I give you, you, and you give me, me.”
Could they be talking about Seatos, the reflex point used in Ahsoka to travel to Peridea? It's position is pivotal as the stars are the only guide to journey home. The sea is clearly of importance as it's how Ahsoka reaches the World Between Worlds. And the witches involvement/history with Seatos is obvious.
Maybe I'm behind everyone else, grasping at straws, or possibly providing insight. Either way, I'd be interested in your comments
Hi all, this is my first reddit post, but I figured this was the best place to go to pose this theory:
So I do actually have a theory about the identity of Qimir. Based on the scar on his back, him referencing a previous Jedi master, and him pretty much stating that he's super old, it came to me that maybe this could possibly be Imri, Vernestra's first padawan from when they were both very young. He had unknowingly graced the dark side in an attempt to remove negative emotions from others. I always liked that interpretation and was curious to see if they went further with it.
Then, I remembered I read somewhere that Imri died in the fall of Starlight Beacon... and I definitely thought he was described as looking different.
I am NOT fully caught up on the High Republic.
But, however, it got me thinking. It definitely clicked in my head that we saw Qimir's scar and Vern's Lightwhip in the same episode and now I can't unsee it.
Can anyone more caught up with High Republic stuff provide insight? Maybe confirm Imri's death or know of any other padawan's she took up? I don't really think it IS him, but there's a very small few dots connecting pointing to Vern maybe having a habit of churning out padawans who touch the dark, some more than others, and it would be fun to see them to there.
What if Anakin (Darth Vader) was in so much pain and misery from the suit that after some point the suit had completely taken over his mind, let’s say Venom for example, The suit (venom) needs Anakin (Eddie) as a living host to survive, Venom needs brains to survive while the suit runs of pure anger, rage, and hatred.. Anakin is simply there for the ride.