The Maw Installation

In TCW: when Maul’s mind is restored, it’s discovered he knew about Sidious’s plans for the Clone Wars, and im curious if Palpatine ever told Vader the extent of his manipulation of events in the Clone Wars.

I know Anakin discovers Palpatine is the Sith Lord in ROTS, but does Anakin/Vader ever learn Palpatine’s causing of the Clone Wars? Or does Anakin/Vader get told the party line by Palpatine that the Jedi caused the war?

TL;DR What does Anakin/Vader know of Palpatine’s larger role in the Clone Wars?

My assessment of Legends was that it was also felt disparate-granted, a symptom of the fact that it was first established when Star Wars was still finding its footing. With canon, however, a lot of it ties into itself, and I think it creates a better sense of a singular, unified setting.

This is my history nerd side showing, but I think it makes the Canon timeline easier to study like history than Legends. For example, you have the Sith and the Rule of Two. In Canon, some Jedi fall, they go off and form the Sith, they fight the Jedi and get their asses handed to them, so Bane decides they need to be more subversive and creates the Rule of Two. Simple and easy to understand. In Legends, though, you’ve got this species that’s also called the Sith, a couple Sith Empires rise and fall, then the Brotherhood of Darkness forms and Bane’s actually the one to bring it down because he thinks being a Sith faction and being a big faction don’t mix, then he makes the Rule of Two. It’s more convoluted and raises some big questions, like, “How did the Sith Empires gain power if having a big Sith Order doesn’t work?”

Ok. So. Hot take.

It's disingenuous to compare the old eu new jedi and luke to the new one because the old eu was very much written in the wild west era of star wars where nothing was codified about the jedi or sith except for the films and when the prequel and prequel content came out, there were incredibly obvious spots were the 2 were spot welded to make work.

Saying one is worse than the other for something other than writing quality and not concept fundamentally assumes they had the same advantages and disadvantages they existed in wildly different moments of star wars history in incredibly different contexts

1. "Evacuate in our moment of triumph? Good call. You can never be too careful." Even if Tarkin did evacuate, that doesn't stop Luke from destroying the Death Star. Tarkin knows Palpatine would punish him cruelly beyond his darkest imagination for losing the Death Star, so Tarkin flees to Eriadu for refuge and to establish a rogue warlord state to defend himself from Palpatine's wrath. Which creates a new front for the Empire to fight, meaning the Galactic Civil War is now a three-way war between the Rebels, Empire, and Tarkin.
2. "Can the excuses, Solo. Boba, go nuts." Since Han just escaped Greedo's attempt on his life, there's no way he's not prepared for Jabba trying to kill at the Falcon's docking bay. In the original ANH novel, Jabba even noted Han entered the docking bay unarmed, which unnerved him more than he cared to admit. If Boba attacked Han, Chewie would defend him. Plus, Han can just hold off Jabba and his thugs long enough for Ben Kenobi to arrive, at which point the Hutt dies, which also means Boba sells Han's carbonite-frozen body to another crime lord. So Episode 6 plays out differently. However, Bib Fortuna steps up as the new crime lord of Jabba's empire sooner as well.
3. "I have you now- WAIT. Is that someone behind me?" If Vader weren't so focused on the mysterious Force-sensitive pilot he was pursuing, he probably would have sensed Han's attack. In the Canon comics, Luke, still suffering from Bespin trauma, imagines a scenario where Vader turns the tables on Han during the Death Star trench run and kills him, so this scenario isn't too far-fetched. But in the time Vader takes to kill Han, Luke probably would have fired the torpedoes already, ensuring Han's sacrifice doesn't go in vain. But Han's death means Leia gets captured on Hoth, Vader finds out she's his daughter and turns her to the dark side, so Yoda and Luke might have to fight Vader and Leia respectively in a 2v2.

It may seem weird to ask but in our history historical revisionism always happens in real life such as lost cause from civil war or the Japanese after World War 2 did that also happened with the imperials

With their use of magic, I think they could've conquered an empire of at least one-hundred planets.

Eventually he left since in ROTS we see him with the rest of the separatist council on Utapau (and later Mustafar) but I was wondering if he stayed to lead his people and the droids for the rest of his fellow conspirators to escape or if he himslef retreated. For canon it isnt clear to me since in TCW episode Senate Spy (S02E4) he was in Cato Neimodia planning to rebuild the main factory of his homeplanet where he went back to supervise and in AOTC he said to Dooku "Im sending my warriors to hide in the catacombs" (maybe him along with other high caste as well?). So did he stayed on Geonosis until ROTS or was he coming and going to different separatists systems?

Hya, Has anyone an idea how I can get the measurements for the Republic Venator? For specification, I don't mean the broad measurements like Length of 1137m and Wingspan of 548m. I am talking about side Hangar to side Hangar, where proportionally the Tower starts and how far the smaller wing extends

Does anyone have the measurements lying around or knows a Tool to measure the ratios on a picture? Because I am not that good at Math and truly want to circumvent measuring the picture by hand and calculating the view angle

My headcanon for this topic reveals that she was close friends with Jedi Master Tera Sinube from TCW and ended up sensing his death as one of the first casualties of Order 66. What do you guys think?

We know that Luke learned from many jedi from the former order and even though he tried to get the best from them,he knew that they weren't perfect and made many mistakes,plus Luke embraced attachment with Leia,han,R2,C3PO,chewie,Lando,etc.He even defied the jedi orthodox ways when he refused to kill vader while obi wan and Yoda told him to. So in case that Luke would have grown up in the jedi order and was raised in their orthodox ways,what do you think that Luke would be like? What do you think he would have done in the Clone wars?would he join the war or refuse to fight?

I have been writing stories in the Swtor Era and so far they were mostly from the Sith Point of view.

Now im doing some Jedi stories too but it does make me wonder how the Jedi of that Era are compareable to the Prequel Order.

The Jedi Order during the Prequel Time was flawed, way too embedded into the Republic and it's Politics, arrogant and too riggid in their believes and deteached from their Roles as Peacekeepers.

It does seem that the old republic order was a bit more open with it and more deteached from the Republic. Their temple was on coruscant but that was seemingly criticed alot, they took older padawans and more accepting with taking in ex-sith (In the jedi knight story of swtor we even meet one who used to be a dark council member). But at the same time they were at war with the evil space sith Nazis.

How would you think does the old republic order diverse from the prequel era?

I'm reading Dooku:Jedi Lost and younglings supposedly used electroblades instead of training sabers (or at least Dooku used one) in this book/audio drama. Is there a canon reason for why this story used an electroblade? We see younglings using (training) lightsabers both in the High Republic as well as in the Prequels. Dooku:Jedi Lost takes place inbetween these periods, so did something happen/change around this time period? (or is it just another weird canon discrepancy?)

I have seen an argument that comparing ship lengths doesn't give any sense.

I think that it does give some sense. Engines, turbolasers and shields are all powered by reactor. A reactor need some space. Support systems for reactor also need some space. Bigger reactor that gives more power requires more space. So, you won't be able to fit a big reactor into a smaller ship. If a ship isn't build vertically, and is optimized as battleship, size of that ship will roughly say how much power they have on hand.

some exception:

• If a ship is build vertically - like Valor-class cruiser, which has engines under ship, instead of at back.
• If a ship is purposefully bigger. It might be a giant transport, like Acclamator or Lucrehulk, or a carrier like Venator. I think that if all those didn't have "excessive" amount of empty space inside (compared to purpose-build battleship), they would be smaller.
• If a ship uses missiles as main armament. Like I said, power usually splits between weapons, shields and engines. If you don't have to power weapons, you will effectively have power for shields and engines.
• If a ship is from a notably different era - assumption that there is technological progress, and reactors are becoming more powerful, giving more power for same size.

Marking it for AllContinuity, in case there's anything interesting in Legends, but more interested, if this was somehow explained in recent Canon.

If nothing explained, what's the prevalent unofficial theory. Was it Palpatine manipulating the midichlorians somehow? Natural response of the Force to the rise of the Sith? Space Jesus?

I also read a theory recently, that Rey is able to time travel in her visions, so could we end up in future movies in a Terminator situation, when she somehow initiates Anakin's inception (I know, sounds super weird)

Hi guys,

I'm doing a Star Wars fanfic project and I've been looking for a place to post about it. It's honestly mostly worldbuilding and not much plot so far. r/worldbuilding is mostly focused on unique fantasies and sci-fis rather than fanfics, r/FanficWorldbuilding seems to be dominated by superhero franchises, and none of the Star Wars subreddits seem to really do much fanfiction. I was wondering if any of you knew a subreddit or something else where Star Wars fanfic worldbuilding wouldn't be out of place?

What if Anakin Purchased fast food and disguised it as his own cooking?

I've always thought lightsaber forms were strange retcon that everyone just unquestioningly accepted.

From the OT it always seemed to be that lightsaber combat was guided purely by the Force. The first thing we see Obi Wan teach Luke is to allow the force to guide his motions with a lightsaber. It also doesnt seem to be the case that Yoda trained Luke in lightsaber combat, he seemed more focused on teaching him how to be in tune with his emotions and the Force.

Obviously the expanded universe media that came after this retcon and acknowledged integrated it into their stories but that's just how retcons work. My point is that it doesn't seem to fit well with the PT and OT.

I would bet my middle testicle that George wasn't thinking about Vaapad when he was writing Mace vs Sidious. Mace beat Sidious because he's stronger or Sidious threw the fight to push Anakin down the dark side.

I personally prefer the idea that the Force guides most of the actions within a lightsaber duel, purely because lightsaber duels in the films and most star wars media more represent a spiritual battle of ideals rather than the actual physical battle taking place.

Not too long ago, I saw a post on here asking, "What if Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Palpatine didn't survive the crash of the Invisible Hand?" I think this question is a very interesting one, given that Anakin and Palpatine are arguably two of, if not, the two most important characters in the Skywalker Saga, going by their impact on galactic history, so removing them might just change everything. So, here's my idea for what such a scenario would look like.

This is based on the canon continuity, as I don't even know how many moving parts are in Legends, so it's just simpler. Also, all years will be noted as years ABC, or after the Battle of Coruscant. This will be a mix of what I think might plausibly happen, and what I think makes for interesting storytelling. Finally, this will mainly be focused on what happens with the Republic. With all that out of the way, let's begin.

During the Battle of Coruscant, General Grievous's flagship Invisible Hand crashes onto the planet below. Search and rescue teams sent to the warship's carcass discover, in the ship's bridge, Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker, and Supreme Chancellor Sheev Palpatine. While the Jedi and the Republic mourn the losses of Skywalker and Kenobi, Mas Amedda is sworn in as the Supreme Chancellor, inheriting Palpatine's emergency powers, albeit vowing to step down when the war ends.

Off on Mandalore, Gar Saxon receives a transmission from one of his soldiers in Maul's throne room and, soon after, surrenders to the Republic and the Mandalorian resistance, claiming that he would rather surrender to warriors than fight for a coward. In the throne room, Ahsoka Tano finds Maul dead by his own hand. One of the guards claims that he broke down mentally, going on about "Kenobi" and some "master" over and over before finally taking his lightsaber to his abdomen and ending himself. Soon after, Ahsoka learns what happened on Coruscant. The 332nd Division is redeployed off-world to reintegrate with the 501st Legion, while Ahsoka stays behind to help the people of Mandalore rebuild.

Meanwhile, Grievous, now effectively the acting leader of the Confederacy of Independent Systems, is located on Utapau. Mace Windu takes command of the 501st for an assault. Though the leaders of the CIS's executive council escape, Grievous is killed in the battle. With both Dooku and Grievous dead, the Separatist Senate elects Avi Singh as the CIS's new Head of State, who immediately begins reaching out to the Republic in hopes of reaching a peace settlement, offering a conditional surrender. This leads to a fatal error by Nute Gunray, already worried about the potential loss of power in the Confederacy for the Separatist Council-in particular, the Trade Federation-to the Senate and fearing that, if the war ends too soon, the Trade Federation won't have enough time to pull out of the Separatist Alliance, hopefully sparing it from reprisal by the Republic. He attempts to assert the Council's authority via a blockade of Raxus, demanding that the peace efforts cease. This leads to the Senate's discovery that their cause has largely been backed by megacorporations, not seeking freedom from the Republic, but from their regulations. Control of those droid forces which are not under the direct command of the corporations is seized by the Senate and civil war breaks out.

Between the Confederate Civil War and Singh's peace overtures to the Republic, the general mood of the public turns against the war and towards a peace settlement, even if it means independence for the Confederacy. Amedda, however, maintains a hardline stance, rejecting Singh's peace proposals and declaring that the Republic will only accept an unconditional surrender. The final straw which breaks the camel's back and spells the end of Mas Amedda's short-lived chancellery is a declaration by the Jedi that the Republic's continued war against the Confederacy now violates their mission of keeping the peace in the galaxy, citing Amedda's stubborn insistence on unconditional surrender, and the Jedi Order declares neutrality in the conflict, with all Jedi being recalled effective immediately. For the second time in her political career, Padme Amidala proposes a vote of no confidence against the Supreme Chancellor, and once more, it succeeds. Though the Senate attempts to elect her to replace him, due to her pregnancy, she declines, instead endorsing Bail Organa, who becomes Chancellor, with Mon Mothma as Vice Chair. The next day, after Padme gives birth to twins, C-3PO delivers her letter of resignation to Organa.

Almost immediately, Organa retracts Amedda's demands for unconditional surrender and proposes a peace summit on Mothma's homeworld of Chandrila. Avi Singh agrees and, after a few days of negotiation, the Treaty of Chandrila is signed just days before the anniversary of the First Battle of Geonosis, and the Clone Wars come to an end. The Republic recognizes the independence of Confederacy, with its legally recognized member worlds being any planets which voluntarily swore allegiance to the Confederacy prior to the war. Shortly after, Bo-Katan Kryze and Ahsoka Tano arrive on Coruscant to propose sending a Republic expeditionary force to aid the forces loyal to the Confederate Senate in defeating the corporations, with Kryze pledging her forces' allegiance while Ahsoka requests command over the 501st Legion and 212th Attack Battalion for the mission. With the consent of the Confederacy, the mission is approved. By the end of 1 ABC, the Confederate Civil War has concluded.

The first term of Bail Organa's chancellery from 0-4 ABC is largely spent undoing the damage Palpatine caused to the democratic institutions of the Republic, as well as implementing reforms to prevent such a thing from occurring again. One such reform is the de jure abolition of the emergency powers of the Supreme Chancellor, albeit they are de facto simply reduced to being more limited in when the Supreme Chancellor gains them, what powers the Chancellor gains, and introducing a time limit of six standard months.

All the way up until 3 ABC, it seems practically guaranteed that Organa will secure a second term. That year, however, Bail introduces what many now call the most divisive act in the history of the Galactic Republic: The Demobilization Act, a sweeping act which, among other things, provides all currently serving clone soldiers the ability to retire, offering a G.I. Bill (it's not actually called that, but it's the same idea) and calling for the construction of condominiums on planets like Coruscant, Naboo, and Alderaan to act as housing for the clones, introduces the recruitment of volunteers into the Grand Army of the Republic and the Republic Navy, and calls for renegotiations of deals made with defense contractors like BlasTech Industries, Rothana Heavy Engineering, and Kuat Drive Yards. Passing by a majority just barely large enough for the Act to pass, though noble in intentions, it is an absolute drain on the Republic's economy.

In 4 ABC, Organa nevertheless runs for re-election. His primary opponent is former Admiral Wilhuff Tarkin. His campaign primarily draws support via questioning the actions Organa has undertaken during his time as chancellor, in particular allowing the CIS to obtain independence in spite of their effective military defeat, the vast downsizing of the Republic's military, and the funding allocated to Organa's projects, especially those outlined by the Demobilization Act. By contrast, he promises to strengthen the Republic military and economically and bring political unity. These factors, combined with his acumen as a commander of Republic forces during the war, ultimately win him the chancellery.

Tarkin promised strength, and indeed, strength, he would provide, but as the Republic would ultimately discovered, strength does not come without consequences...

Now hear me out. Dooku was said to have been incredibly strong in legend, able to scale near towards Mace Windu/Yoda levels. He helped Sidious tip the scales against Mother Talzin and Maul, while he was in a near death state, half controlled by Mother Talzin and essentially was drained of most of his energy. And he is renowned as one the greatest duelists, keep both Anakin and Obi-Wan at bay, and toying with them, through his knowledge of their fighting styles. He was a Padawan of Yoda.

But Maul on the other hand, has been stated to have been one of the greatest assassin the Sith ever had. His skills were recognised by Darth Plagus, and Sidious even stated that Maul, aside from himself, had the deadliest skills in lightsaber combat. He survived being cut in half, and managed to gained more strength than his past self before his injury despite holding back in most of his fights (with Savage on his side).

I just want to clarify who has the upper hand here? Dooku has a lot of advantages in the force and lightsaber abilities, but then Maul is allegedly considered far deadlier/greater in skill?

What do y’all think. We are considering BOTH Cannon and Legends.

Among the many problems I had with season 3 of The Mandalorian was the introduction of Imperial Praetorian Guards. The problem is that they didn’t seem to fit into any existing area of the Imperial military. I call this “elite unit creep.” This is when a new design is introduced for a new piece of media, but because no one wants to buy a toy of some basic nobody trooper the new design is hyped up as “elite.” Problem is soon you have 10-12 “elite” units running around with seemingly overlapping profiles, and the open question of “if these guys are so useful and effective, where were they in the previous movie/show/videogame/comic?”

The Praetorian guards are described as “elite bodyguards for the most important of imperial personnel.” Problem - we’ve seen lots of very important imperial personnel, and none have praetorian guards. The super elite (Vader and Palpatine) have RoyalGuards (the guys from ROTJ), most everyone else (including Tarkin) uses regular stormtroopers, and some with relations to Imperial Intelligence use Death Troopers (Krennic and Dedra Meero). So where did these Praetorian Guards come from, looking suspiciously like Royal Guards with obvious progression towards Snoke’s guards?

My theory: these actually are Royal Guards. Except after Endor and Jakuu they no longer had any royalty to protect and shattered with the rest of the empire into various remnants. They got renamed Praetorians because “royal” didn’t make sense anymore, and got upgraded armor from wherever Gideon and Pellaeon are getting their supplies. This is why the warlords scoff at Gideon’s request - praetorians are in very low supply because most of the royal guard got blown up on the Death Star.

Images for reference:

Imperial Praetorian Guard https://static1.colliderimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/the-mandalorian-praetorian-guards.jpg

Imperial Royal Guard http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131014220242/disney/images/2/20/Royal_Guard.jpg

Royal Guard with no robes https://i.pinimg.com/originals/27/6a/42/276a4269e8f562961171340ff796d677.jpg

Snoke’s guards https://images.saymedia-content.com/.image/t_share/MTc0NDYxMjAwNTg1OTI2Mjc4/the-emperors-royal-guard-a-guide.png

Aside from the obvious inclusion of Vader in ESB, is there any other jedi / sith who made use of a single handed Djem So technique? I always saw it as more in keeping with the Shien, and with it's premise of being more on power blows than Shein's counter strike focus.

Personally, I'd feel Darth Bane would be a stronger candidate because not only did he create the Rule of Two, but his legacy and actions pretty much contributed to the entire saga if you think about it.

Plaguies training Palpatine, the Clone Wars, Order 66, Anakin becoming Vader, the rise of the Empire, the birth of the Rebellion, the imperial remnants becoming the First Order; All of these events can be contributed to Bane's actions in some way or another.

What do you guys think?

I think maybe if the Republic hadn’t outsourced their peacekeeping to the Jedi as much as they did, maybe it would’ve been easier to prevent the rise of the Empire? Because once the Jedi were gone, there really wasn’t anyone left to protect the common people. If the Jedi hadn’t been the people’s only line of defense, for those who opposed the Empire, perhaps resistance would be easier.

In Legends, the old Sith Empires, imperial warlords such as Zsinj, the Imperial Remnant, and the Fel Empire are situated in the north. Bastion was the capital of the Remnant and Fel Empire and Orinda was the capital of the Empire from 6-9 ABY.

In Canon, many First Order hubs such as Entralla and Yaga Minor are northerly planets as well. The territory of the First Order is also apparently is around the location of the Legends remnant as shown in this map.

Is it just a coincidence or am I missing something?

Obviously at some point he abandons it to take on traditional Jedi robes. I've read theories the back outfit was his attempt at making robes, but that doesn't really hold up in retrospect

Here are the typical sizes and lengths of new built frontline warships during WW2

• Battleship 30,000-72,000 t / 210-270 m

• Aircraft Carrier 20,000-40,000 t / 220-270 m

• Cruiser 5,000-18,000 t / 150-210 m

• Destroyer 1,500-4,000 t / 100-140 m

The largest length difference is 270/100 =2.7, and the largest size difference is 72,000/1,500 =48.

This is for new built ships in the modern day,

• Aircraft Carrier 20,000-100,000 t / 180-350 m

• Destroyer 7,000-15,000 t / 140-200 m

• Frigate 4,000-7,000 t / 120-160 m

The largest length difference is 350/120 =2.9, and the largest size difference is 100,000/4,000 =25.

Now here is the size of Imperial Navy warships. We know the lengths, and since they are roughly of similar shape (i.e. a triangle), we can assume that their masses scale similarly (i.e. cubed with respect to the length)

• Imperial Star Destroyer 1,600 m / 1,213x t

• Victory Star Destroyer 900 m / 216x t

• Vindicator Cruiser 600 m / 64x t

• Arquitens Command Cruiser 230 m / 3.6x t

• Raider Corvette 150 m / x t

Here is for Rebel Alliance ships, with their shape roughly like a long cylinder, so we can also assume the same length cubed relation

• MC75/MC80 Cruiser 1,200 m / 512y t

• MC40A Light Cruiser 600 m / 64y t

• Nebulon B Frigate 300 m / 8y t

• CR90 Corvette 150 m / y t

This means that the Imperial Star Destroyer is roughly 1,200 times bigger than a Raider Class Corvette, and a MC80 Cruiser is roughly 500 times bigger than a CR90 Corvette. These size proportions are far larger than the real life figures of around 25-50 times difference.

Can anyone explain or speculate as to why???

Was rewatching Phantom Menace and was just thinking... Watto's betting heavily on Sebulba, which I understand, the guy always wins... even if he cheats, but not like the Hutts truly care on referees, this isn't the FIA and Formula One! XD

But anyways, I did kinda think about that... what exactly was Sebulba's odds? I can't imagine you'd win so much there since A) he's the favorite and B) plenty of other folks would be betting on him. I'm thinking Triple Crown horseracing odds like Sebulba's got a 1/5 odds meaning the buy in is stiff and the payout isn't as much as say the 100/1 Anakin winning. (Man, wonder if anyone picked him, that would've funny to see.)

And look, obviously there are reasons why the bet happens and all, Anakin's freedom but his mother's continual enslavement because George is handcuffed to the OT. Man, good fanfic material to think about if Qui-Gon convinced Watto to bet on Anakin. The Toydarian would be swiming in cash like Scrooge McDuck and probably could've gotten both Anakin and Shmi freed.

I was having a debate with some of my friends about how powerful the CIS was during the last moments of the war along with who actually controlled the CIS after Dooku and Grievous its stated that it’s a council of sorts but who controlled the council?

What notable events happened in this 10 year period? What happened in Anakin’s life as an initiate?

Clone Wars fills in the gap between AOTC and ROTS, but I’ve found almost no content for this important stretch of time.

Also curious about the Legends stories that take place during this time period.

i recently listened to the dark lord audiobook and then read the wookiepedia articles of some characters out of interest. then i noticed roan shryne is supposed to appear in AOTC through a retcon. but i couldnt find a picture from him in the movie. does anyone know in which scene he appears in?