The Maw Installation

Leia asks Han if she should “get out and push”. Obviously, at its surface and intentional meaning, at the time at least, is that it’s supposed to be a joke to relate to the audience, but is there anything in canon that’d require getting out and pushing if it’s not going? Isn’t everything powered by repulsorlifts and thrusters that’d be pointless to push if the engine isn’t working?

During the Clone Wars, were there any moments where Palpatine's plan almost failed? I can't exactly remember if there was many, but I imagine that, despite being a master manipulator, things just doesn't go his way exactly and almost jeopardizes his plan. Canon and Legends answers, as I'm curious to see if there's different ways Palpatine had almost fallen!
*Sorry if it's not written too well, this is me having a late night question

The Columi existed over a million years before the main events of the saga, did they not? The Sharu and Celestials were around for quite awhile as well but do we have any specific dates or hints?

Assume at one day prior to battle of Yavin. Is it TIE pilot? AT-AT driver? Is it some type of stormtrooper? Is it Imperial Navy command track? What do most cadets want to be? Please exclude Emperor's royal guard.

What are the known kinds of alien music that are played and listened to in the Star Wars galaxy ?

We know that the Bith are famous for their musical abilities and talents, with it being shown in the cantina in A New Hope, we know Max Rebo Band that played songs and music for Jabba the Hutt in his court and sand barge, we know that there is opera with Palpatine being a fan of mon calamari opera as shown in ROTS.

What other examples of music do we know in Star Wars and its expended universes ?

Do ships like the Executor Do they make sense? It seems very impractical to me, it is probably better to invest in the construction of more Ships. What are your opinions about this ship and could the rebellion defeat it if it didn't have support?

I'm well aware that a few individual Hutts have defied their species' dubious reputation, but I'm not asking about the outliers. I'm asking if Hutts, as a whole, have a single positive trait that other species would admire or appreciate. Do the Hutts have a sense of "noblesse oblige" towards the beings they rule? Do they invest anything into improving/uplifting the planets they own? At the very least, do the Hutts usually negotiate in good faith & follow through on their agreements?

For crying out loud, these guys have a thousand-year lifespan, and they waste all ten centuries sitting around, thinking about thinking while hot-boxing a hookah. The median Hutt can't possiblt be any more than 95% evil.

A common criticism of Rey's character is that she's absurdly powerful and knowledgeable for no particular reason. If you want my thoughts on this, I assume that Kylo Ren's skills and knowledge got subconsciously passed onto her somehow due to the force dyad or whatever, and they all came to her during adrenaline-filled moments (stealing the millennium falcon, using a mind trick on the stormtrooper, fighting Kylo Ren on Starkiller Base, etc.), so unless there's something that explicitly contradicts this that I don't know about, that could be a good lore reason.

Regardless of what the lore says, this results in Rey becoming an overall uninteresting and uncompelling character due to her lack of struggles or hardship compared to Luke. With the upcoming New Jedi Order movie featuring Rey, I'd like to share my thoughts about the premise, and how I think it could work.

I think this movie could actually salvage Rey's character. Let me explain.

During this film, she encounters her first ever obstacle, and, while relatively minor, it crushes her, as she has never gone through a significant hardship like this since she first picked up a lightsaber. She's naturally gifted to have incredible force powers, and thinks nothing can stop her, but this results in her giving herself incredibly high standards and beating herself up when she inevitably fails.

This could be a great allegory to "gifted" kids, who effortlessly ace through school before getting crushed in adulthood and becoming anxiety ridden hermits. I'm one of them. I don't know what Rey's epiphany would be, as I suffer from this myself and therefore don't have the answers, but overall I think this idea could work.

There was this interesting video I watched a while back that does explain the psychology of "gifted" kids, and I think this could apply to Rey in some ways.

Anyway, that's all I have to share right now. Discuss in the comments below. I'll join the discussion when I can.

We know the well-known force lighting from the dark lords of the Sith,so I wondered if in star wars other elements like fire,water,air,light,darkness,etc could be created by force users through their bodies to fight their opponents in battles Like imagine how epic would be to see a Sith Lord Using fire by the force and then the jedi used the water by the force to extinguish it I know it sounds very avatar but it is something very interesting to see I think

A metaphor. But if there's a shroud then there's a person, right?

And then you remember Shmi wrapped in a shroud. A person. A mother.

And then you go back to Yoda's line. Is the dark side a mother?

No, not literally. But in the next film we have Palpatine's idea of what's 'natural'. We say Mother Nature, not Father Nature.

And Mother Nature here would be The Jungle. Kill or be killed. Becoming a beast.

That seems to be the idea. Shmi's death, with a shroud falling on her, vs the dark side-as-mother's imminent resurrection, a shroud falling from 'her'.

This 'mother' would be rising in Palpatine, possessing him. The idea maybe goes back to 1978-80. Originally, Palpatine was played by a 78 year old woman, and Ian McDiarmid told once how he came up with Palpatine's voice in an interview: he was inspired by a japanese male actor voicing Medea...a witch (He described the voice as vomit sound or something like that)

Started a playthrough of Kotor 2 recently and it got me thinking how much would need to be changed about both games to fit canon if anything at all

I saw many people asking about their favorite Star Wars Legends female Character but now I would like to ask:What is your least favorite Star Wars Legends female character, that legends female character you feel you didn't connect with or even didn't like?

This is from the official novelization of ROTS:

A flash of metal through the sky, and Obi-Wan felt the darkness closing in around them both. He knew that ship: the Chancellor’s shuttle. Now, he supposed, the Emperor’s shuttle.

Yoda had failed. He might have died.

He might have left Obi-Wan alone: the last Jedi.

Below his feet, Darth Vader burst into flame.

“I hate you,” he screamed.

Obi-Wan looked down. It would be a mercy to kill him.

He was not feeling merciful.

He was feeling calm, and clear, and he knew that to climb down to that black beach might cost him more time than he had.

Another Sith Lord approached.

In the end, there was only one choice. It was a choice he had made many years before, when he had passed his trials of Jedi Knighthood, and sworn himself to the Jedi forever. In the end, he was still Obi-Wan Kenobi, and he was still a Jedi, and he would not murder a helpless man.

He would leave it to the will of the Force.

He turned and walked away. After a moment, he began to run.

Obi-Wan's logic here makes zero sense to me. He can see that Anakin clearly isn't dead, and he can also see that Palaptine's ship has arrived on Mustafar. That means that unless he kills Anakin immediately, Palpatine will come and rescue him. Obi-Wan knows Palpatine has access to the best medical facilities in the galaxy, and is also a force user with supposed healing abilities.

So why on earth would he decide to just run away and "leave it to the will of the Force"? Surely he'd rather "waste time" to go down there and chop Anakin's head off than risk him surviving? And even if it cost him precious time and he was caught and killed by Palpatine afterwards, at least he'd have eliminated Vader. I'm sure he would gladly give his life to save the galaxy. Convince me otherwise because his decision making process here seems incredibly stupid.

Feel like I often see debates that kind of dance around this idea. The point that kind of brought it up for me was in the acolyte, how the witches created the twins and how it "broke" Canon.

In my mind there's always been a difference between wielding the force and using force Magicks. IE. A force push is wielding the force, Palpatine summoning blue flames from hell to chase Ezra in a realm between realms is Magick. A mind trick is wielding the force, mother Talzin boiling dookus flesh with a lock of his hair is force magick etc.

It really got me wondering, because as far as i know we really only know right next to nothing about force magick besides, "it does some weird stuff" which inevitably lead me to the question...if the witches coven used force magick to birth the twins how/why does it break Canon? Which to my knowledge which is fair but not the greatest, had no answer. Which then lead to me debating on whether there was a true delineation or if I was just chasing a pedantic point?

Edit: for anyone who makes it here later and scrolls through the comments. I found this post that goes into some depth here: https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/180446/are-maul-and-savage-opress-truly-force-sensitive-or-were-their-powers-bestowed-o

I think i like the explanation the top commenter provided and I think talzin manipulating the midichlorians of an already existing being versus plageuis spawning a being from midichlorians is an important distinction to remember.

I would think someone within the Imperial Navy or the ISB would start trying to figure out why ships from Leia's fleet frequently end up in Rebel hands.

"Once is by chance. Twice is a coincidence. Three times is a pattern."

Thanks to Savage she knew the assassination attempt on Dooku failed, and she knew he would want revenge, so why didn't she do anything to prepare for the inevitable invasion?

For example: -She could have started to mass produce Lightsaber resistant weapons

-She could have informed the Nightbrothers, and ordered them to set up camp close to the main Nightsister cave

-She could have sent out hunting parties to gather Rancors and Nydaks to use as shock troops

-She could have abandoned the cave and moved into the forest and mountains in preparation for Guerrilla warfare

-Or she could have preformed a ritual on her warriors so that when they die they would get resurrected

-She could have at least informed her clan that an attack is coming

It seems like the main crux of Palpatine's plan in Crisis on Naboo was similar to the beginning of Episode III, in which he orchestrates his own kidnapping. That plan was such that when Cad Bane and his team failed, Dooku tried again himself.

Let's say for a second the plan succeeded, in one of two scenarios:

1. Either Cad Bane or Dooku successfully kidnap the Chancellor, forcing a confrontation a la the Battle of Coruscant, OR
2. Anakin confronts and kills Dooku before the kidnapping can occur

Would Palpatine have accelerated his plans, tried to turn Anakin early, and end the Clone Wars? Or did Palpatine have a different set of events in mind? How does this affect the timeline?

Inspired by a comment I saw another user make on an earlier thread asking if Legends is still going or not.

I often see it (like above) stated to be "ongoing legends content" but is that the case? Is there a statement or is it just assumed to be the case logically speaking?

I'm going to make the wild assumption it's still going because it makes money but I'm unsure how much that is.

Bonus question: How do you feel about the canonicity of The Old Republic in general? Even before the rebranding to legends? I've heard some people having issues with it on this subreddit.

So I posted this earlier but it was a bit confusing and I didn't get much feedback so hopefully this is more clear. This is not exactly a question to find a solid price since costs fluctuate in Star wars but to simply make a theoretical estimate.

Question 1: are power packs universal with all blasters? if not, then would costs change depending on the type of ammo?

This link mainly answers the question vaguely saying "of the same size" meaning that most blasters of the same category ammo is interchangeable https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Blaster_power_pack/Legends It's unclear to me though whether the cost would change but I think it's safe to assume so

Question 2: how much would a power pack cost? And how would the quality of the Tibanna gas effect it?

So blasters are common, like guns in today's world so the price of ammo would range to a similar amount, but considering they are still lasers, I rounded it up to the nearest 10 and then multiply the price based on color.

So let's say you buy a AR-15 mag irl($10 usd or so) -Red(common, cheap): x2 -Blue(uncommon-, ionized): x3 -Green (Rare, royalty and destructive weaponry): x4-5

Honorable mentions Yellow (very rare, Mandalorian) x4-6 Purple (very rare, Geonosian) x4-5

Hopefully this makes more sense and again this isn't really to "find out" the price per se, but to see if my estimate is sound and to invite discussion.

P.S. seemingly all, if not most power packs/Tibanna cartridges seem to hold about 500 shots, which compared to a AR-15 (30 bullets per mag) is a x17 increase so it's definitely worth the cost I'd say.

A normal human is realistically combat effective or at least in their prime physically from around 18-40 years old(I understand there are exceptions but that’s the prime for most athletes). Questions:

If the clones aged at double the normal rate wouldn’t they only be effective for about 11 years?

Wouldn’t Rex be about 80 at the time of Endor Moon battle?

Does that mean the emperor could only use the clones for another ~10years after he took over?

Hey wasn’t sure which option to use for the flair but I’ve wanted to know this for awhile. As I’m sure we all know, A New Hope was produced with the canonical intention that Darth Vader was in fact a fallen Jedi who murdered Luke’s father and it wasn’t until the writing process of ESB that Vader became Luke’s father and that Obi-One has decided to tell a ‘half-truth’ to Luke about his fathers fate in ANH. I’m aware several other notions concerning the nature of Luke’s father, who was not canonically named Anakin until later, and Vaders descent to evil were toyed with even during the scripting of ESB before the iconic twist was decided upon; but I’m curious as to what specific ideas or stories were contemplated concerning the subject.

If I’m correct the early SWEU material was highly limited on portraying elements of the setting that were planned to be answered in the then forthcoming sequels to ANH but several stories were published that were decanonised by later films; such as Jabba The Hut being a totally different character in the first Marvel Star Wars comics and The Emperor being referred to as a powerless puppet ruler rather than a fearsome Sith Lord in Alan Dean Fosters early Star Wars novels. So also I’m curious also if there’s anything like those examples concerning Anakin/Vader.

So in short; what other ideas were contemplated concerning both Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader before it was retconned that they were the same person? Also do any of these ideas appear on early EU material?

Thanks for any answers

While reading the Thrawn: Alliances comic, I noticed that the Stormtroopers in Vader's First Legion refer to each other by their birth names, rather than the usual TK identification numbers commonly used by Stormtroopers.

I'm thinking of this possibly being a unique characteristic of the First Legion, unless there are examples of Stormtroopers in other units also using their birth names?

So I had been wondering this for some time since I learned that certain Tibanna gas cartridges are mostly interchangeable for similar blaster types, what would the expense for the cartridges be? And would the price change depending on the type of blaster (sniper rifle, assault, handgun etc.). Now I would assume so, but then again theirs the question of how much each type costs, and the quality of the Tibanna gas (red blue and green). For a simpler hypothesis I decided to round the price of 1 magazine/clip (since their laser guns are as common as ours) in our world up to the nearest ten then multiplying it based on the type of blaster bolt color, red being the most common and cheap I set it at x2, since blue is ionized and higher quality and is "possiblly" the only type to have a weaker stun setting I set it at x3 now green I set at x4 and possibly x5 for the fact it's quality is even higher than blue bolts, and is used by heavy weaponry (usually stationary), imperial starfighters (for more destructive force), and the naboo guard (which I like to say, represents their wealth).

I'd love to hear what you all think about this theory so I could improve upon it and hopefully I explained my theory well.

I feel like it’s not properly defined, it’s just a strange name for a genre of music.

"While there is an even more elite unit of Imperial Royal Guard--the Sovereign Protectors--the Royal Guard is the practical summit of the elite stormtrooper corps.

Rumors exist of a special unit of giant, armored warriors who also guard the Emperor and his most favored servants and advisors, but they are unconfirmed."

The Rebel SpecForce Handbook, from West End Games mentions the above in the text for the Imperial Royal Guard. This is definitely "just" a potential story hook for DMs, and also seems like a reference to Space Marines from Warhammer 40K--but was this ever followed up on elsewhere? Any more information out there about them?

Ackbar, I’m assuming would be one. Maybe Hera or Rex assuming they stick around after Ahsoka ends?

Hi all, The CR90 'Thunderstrike' (SW Battlefront: Twilight Company) is said to hold dropships for ship-surface deployment. Whilst in most recent media this role is covered by the U-Wing...I cannot see any fitting within a CR90! Does anyone know what smaller vessels they use, or perhaps could use?

In light of the upcoming Rey film losing it's writer in Steven Knight, I figured I'd share my pitch for what I had (at one time) hoped the upcoming film would have been. I am not a script writer, the pitch has serious flaws. But for your enjoyment:

Premise:

In a time of peace, Rey Skywalker struggles to rebuild the Jedi without guidance. She's heard of lost Jedi scattered across the galaxy and she seeks them out. Meanwhile, as the New Republic rebuilds an ancient evil stirs...

*Parts of this film would overlap with my idea of the Ancient Jedi film, the founding of the order. In both the Ancient Jedi and the Rey film, Abeloth appears. At times, it is the same Abeloth using the image and lines. Some of the lines belong to the other film. This is because Abeloth is a weird entity that exists across time and is experiencing both movies simultaneously.

Act I:

Rey, in cloak and mask descending in an ancient temple. This mirrors her opening scene. As she reaches the ground and is about to touch down, she hears Luke call out to her. She's nervous but then gets a call from Finn that he needs help on the surface. The pair were exploring an ancient Jedi site (a place from the Ancient Jedi film) when Finn is beset by pirates. A brief dogfight follows and Rey and Finn make a jump to hyperspace. It's clear that piracy has become a problem. Finn asks if she found what she was looking for. She explains she hasn't, but they need to tell the New Republic of the pirate activity and they can always come back.

Meanwhile, Shin Hati is entering the temple with a robed woman. The woman has a breathing apparatus like Vader. This is Lumiya. EU fans would recognize her silhouette. Hati and Lumiya have a talk that at last they found "her." Hati asks what happens now. Lumiya lights up a lightsaber and faces Hati saying it's time. We'll cut back to their fight.

Rey and Finn are back on Coruscant. They turn over their intelligence. It's a meeting with some old familiar Republic military faces. On a galactic map, we see red marks outlining piracy. The underworld has been moving in concert. Rey heads over to the old Jedi Temple, formally the Emperor's palace. Finn stays behind. Now is the time that Rey is haunted by images of the Emperor and her dark self. She has doubts about being able to rebuild the Jedi.

Turning back to Hati and Lumiya, Lumiya disarms her apprentice. The fight isn't over. Lumiya and Hati discuss the fall of the Sith and Lumiya explains that existence is an illusion. The jedi and sith are two sides of the same coin of those who misunderstand the Jedi. She once believed this too but over time, she learned the truth. The original force users were on Mortis. There are stories of the three that Hatti learned of but in truth there was another. A fourth. The Mother. Lumiya attacks again and Hatti is desperately defending herself as Lumiya rages, force lightning flies all over the place in a horrific display of power. Hatti summons her lightsaber back to hand and strikes Lumiya down. Lumiya starts laughing and the laughter lasts well beyond her death, echoing off the walls. A shadow falls over Hatti and then she falls down, hunched over and twitching. The Shadow pours into her and when she stands and looks at the camera, there is a twinkle in her eyes like two distant stars. She smile slowly in a smile that creeps up from ear to ear. She is Abeloth now...

We turn back to Rey in the Jedi Temple among the ancient books and the newer glowey blue ones. She's meditating and asking for Luke, for Yoda, for anyone to come back to her. There's silence only. She sighs. Just as she gets up to leave, a shadow appears the background. Rey draws her lightsaber and leaps forward only for two white lightsabers to block the attack. Ahsoka is there with a smile and tells Rey it's been a long, long time. The scene cuts to a terrace over looking the city, the two are sharing wine. They discuss why Ahsoka never rebuilt the order. She explains that she tried once but couldn't bring the Jedi together. And when Kylo rose to power, Luke sent a warning to every Jedi he knew. Rey says she can't find them. Ahsoka says maybe she can help. It's then over a comm link that Finn starts calling for help. The senate building has a series of explosions. Pirate ships pour of the skies blaring metal music and with cloud ships. They are a lot like the old Nihl. Rey and Ahsoka head over to the Senate building. They'll rescue the Chancellor and Finn and defeat the pirates.

In another part of the galaxy, we see the Shadow Council, Nihl pirates, Black Sun syndicate, the Hutts, all gathered. They're waiting for Lumiya to return but only Hatti/Abeloth arrives. The entity explains that they're inconsequential. Their attacks have been useless in destabilizing the new government. They don't understand chaos. But she does. As Hatti melts into tentacles she'll kill the council only for them to rise again with the twinkle in their eyes and the ear-to-ear smile.

Act II:

In the second act of the movie, Rey and Ahsoka are traveling to find Ezra and Sabine when they'll get attacked by Abelothian creatures. This is horrific like a zombie movie. It's truly terrifying as their crew gets infected. Ahsoka will think she knows what this is but has to go and confirm. She'll give Rey a data stick with Jedi locations and tell them the Mother has returned. Ahsoka then goes off like Gandalf to figure out what they're up against. Rey will have a heist-movie like team up grabbing various Jedi in unique circumstances.

She grabs Gungi the wookie jedi, Sabine and Ezra, Jacen Syndulla, Cal Kestis, Mika Gray, Reva, Quinlan Vos and his son that seems to be a possible love interest for Rey (tensions are fine, not pursued), old Asajj Ventress, Grogu, and more. It's a strong group and throughout the gathering they are beset by Abeloth entities. Then there's one more mark to find. Quinlan looks a the name in Aurabesh and tells Rey she'll have to do that one alone.

We cut to Ahsoka at the opening temple, deciphering the walls, holocrons and text. She comes up to her ship for Professor Huyang who she can't get ahold of. She gets worried and turns to head back to the ship when Hatti is there with the creepy smile and cocks her head to the side. She explains that even now, she is infesting the Senate. She has Ancient Jedi dialog that doesn't make sense until folks watch the other movie but explains she is the galaxy. But there's one she's missing. The one she can't find. She wants Skywalker.

On a forest planet, Rey approaches an ewok-like tree house among some large trees. There are a few traps she evades. Then, a young girl in a jedi robes leaps at her and attacks her. The fight is fierce despite how much younger the padawan is. Finally the young girl asks her her name and Rey says, "Rey, Rey Skywalker." The youth lashes out at her with a powerful force blast that seems like the Dark Side and it pins Rey down. The young girl shouts that she's a liar, she's not a Skywalker. Just a pretender. She storms off into the forest. A woman with vibrant red hair steps out of the tree house and watches the impetuous young woman go. She says to Rey, "You have to excuse Padme." Later that night over a fight, the red haired woman and Rey drink. Rey is silent for a bit, watching the fire and then says, "So what happened to you, Mara? Why weren't you on on Acht-To?"

Mara sighs and tells her story. Maybe flashbacks, maybe some tricks in the fire. She explains that she and Lumiya were once part of a new wave of Inquisitors that Vader was training but he died before their training completed. For years the pair tried to kill Luke before Luke brought her to the lightside. She helped him start his training academy but always had tensions with Ben. When Ben fell to the dark side, Luke sent Mara into hiding.

For a bit, Rey is quiet again and then says, "With your daughter?" Mara nods. She and Luke knew that Padme Skywalker had a propensity for the Dark Side. It was deep in Mara once upon a time, too. But she sees the Force as closer to a singular energy, neither light nor dark and guided Padme to not fall into her anger. It reflects what Lumiya said to Hatti. Rey apologies for what happened to Luke. Mara drains her wine and says it's fine. Then she gets up saying least he could have done was say goodbye. Rey's Jedi crew calls them to ship and says they received a message Ahsoka. "She wants us to stay here. She's coming to us." Mara says she has a bad feeling about this.

Act III:

The final act is a bit of a rush. The Jedi start setting up the little forest for an assault. It's very 7 Samurai sort of vibes as they prepare some defenses. It's very clear that Padme does NOT like Rey and thinks she's fake. This makes Rey struggle with her identity. Several of the older Jedi argue about how to do the defenses. At any rate, ships begin to descend. Back in the camp, Mara tells Rey about Abeloth. What she is, this ancient entity that exists both in the physical world and in the Force and that she'll essentially have to Astral Project to fight her. (This is why Luke was developing that skill, specifically in case .he needed to fight Abeloth). It's very dangerous but hard to do. Rey says she could do it, Mara says that's impossible. She hasn't taught her. Here, Rey explains that she can create connections and pick up force powers from others. She did it with Ben. Padme gets angry and says that isn't fair, Ben trained hard and worked to be a Jedi. Rey just showed up. Rey says she didn't ask to be created, to be born. To be a Palpatine. Padme says she didn't get a choice either. Anyway, the battle begins.

It starts with pirates and shadow collective people that are all clearly Abeloth descending. We get the Chancellor there leading the Republic forces against her. Poe and Finn show up and start supporting from the skies. Meanwhile, our Jedi Army gets to shine in some great action sequences. After a bit, Abeloth Ahsoka and Abeloth Hatti arrive. They're clearly incredibly powerful and fight the forces, taking all the Jedi to combat them. Mara meditates into the astral plane and demands Padme protects her body. After a bit, Mara's nose is bleeding, blood is coming out of her eyes and Rey says she has to help her. She sits down next to Mara and starts meditating. Just as Rey "leaves" Hatti gets into the hut and Padme has to fight her. Quinlan will show up and help. (He dies in the fight but he'll help her out).

On the astral plane, Rey finds herself in Mortis in a dark castle with Mara Jade facing off against the true face of Abeloth. One by one, fallen Jedi stand with her in their blue shade forms. We're talking Anakin, Leia (if permission), Yoda, Mace, Dume, Kenobi, and more. We see some ghost shackled/imprisoned at a central alter that they're trying to get to. Rey joins the fight against Abeloth only to be beside Ben. Mara tells her to rescue Luke. He's the one on the alter. Rey gets to him and frees him. With Luke at their side Abeloth gets defeated.

Back in the physical plane, Abeloth is driven out of Hatti and Ahsoka and the heroes defeat her. Turns out the Sith were trying to recreate Abeloth (the whole strike them down and this questionable possession). Some of the heroes died, it's sad, others had big shining moments. Padme sees Rey as worth of the Skywalker name and Mara suggests that Rey becomes her teacher. Ahsoka asks the Jedi to stay together. They do, forming a new council. They'll have to untangle the damage Abeloth did the Republic. Hatti is on the run, wanted, but at least freed from Abeloth. Ahsoka says they'll find her.

In the empty Jedi council, Mara looks around and whispers to Luke that his dream is coming true, the Jedi are being rebuilt. His ghost stands behind her. He thanks her for her work. She turns around and tells him he was selfish. His decision endangered the Jedi. He says he saved them. She says he was foolish. He agrees. She says he never said goodbye. Then. Luke Skywalker steps forward and out of his ghost form into the physical plane to embrace her for one amazing kiss. They touch foreheads as he fades to being a ghost, whispers goodbye, and then fades away. She has a tear running down her cheek.

Final shot of the New Jedi Council of old fan favorites sitting there. Rey is NOT on the council but she stands before them with Padme as her padawan at her side. Ahsoka asks if she wants a seat on the council. Rey turns it down. She says she's not ready. Anakin's final lesson is finally learned.

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This allows much of the whole story to come full circle. It closes out the origin/purpose of the Sith, it leaves open lore ideas. The Dyad was an idea of pursuing the Son and Daughter in order to recreate the power of Abeloth. There's a lot of backstory to characters to pursue and it opens up new horizons. It also addresses every issue with Rey and makes some of her victories a bit more earned. It clearly embraces much of new canon but attempts to address the criticisms of it, too.

Thanks for reading. Probably a good thing I'm not writing their next movie. But... but.... Well. I do enjoy this story.

I'm actually one of the not so many fans that liked the idea of Palpatine's return, but was turned ill by the execution and now in hindsight I came to the conclusion it's terribly done. The sequels seemingly suffer from a lack of continuous vision and Palpatine's return could've been done amazingly, but these things bothered me:

-It basically made TFA and TLJ mostly useless, literally no continuous plotline built through it.

-Snoke was made out to be this big bad guy we don't know about but he turned out to be a clone or something like that, I legit think there's 0% chance that was the idea in the beginning.

-There was no build up in the prior movies and thats why we got "Somehow Palpatine returned" and that creates an issue as there is no clear explanation in the movie.

-Palpatine's death was the lamest thing ever and actually, that's my largest issue, you have this super powerful force user that's done all these crazy stuff, literally cheated death and I literally cringed and laughed in the cinema at the death scene, I just couldn't. Rey get some weird ass power, he seemingly loses 80% of his IQ and thinks it's a good idea to strike at those lightsabers. What? This is the main reason the sequel's are invalid to me. His death in ROTJ was just done way better, you could see him toying with Luke, he wasn't anticipating Vader to turn on him it all made sense. Here? I hated the execution, if you bring him back to life at least make it make sense.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, he literally does some crazy force storm thing that's destroying an entire freaking fleet, and Rey defeats him with 2 lightsabers by making an X, plot armor is crazy. So so lame imo

I wanna see your guys opinion as I know many hated the idea of him returning altogether, but I really think the idea wasn't the problem, the execution was.

I was thinking maybe because Maul and Vader are so personally invested in killing Obi-Wan that it clouds their judgements and allows Obi-Wan to outmaneuver them. Meanwhile Dooku (the canon version at least) doesn't seem to care much about Obi-Wan one way or the other so he is able to defeat Kenobi every time. Thoughts?