Disclaimer: Before anyone starts berating me for "spoiling the big plot twist" by saying the Paradox Pokemon are from different timelines. This was NEVER meant to be a plot twist. The AI Professor mentions different timelines in the Japanese version of the main game.

But back to the point:

My question is, why did Professor Sada/Turo take Paradox Pokemon from the past/future of different timelines specifically? Wouldn't it make more sense to take them from their own timeline?

As I'm posting this in the PokemonConspiracies subreddit, naturally I'm going to come up with my own ideas and see what other people think.

For Turo and the future Pokemon, you could argue that the future isn't set in stone, and all potential futures are technically "different timelines" in the sense that they can all create different realities.

Sada and past Pokemon are a bit trickier. It's always been a palaeontologists dream to be able to travel back in time to see in person what life was truly like many years ago. So, why would Sada only want to study Pokemon from other timelines pasts instead of her own?

If I had to guess, I'd say that Sada was doing it to "play safe" with the timeline. That is, removing creatures form her own timelines past can of negative consequences of that timelines present. So, she takes from other timelines, so as not to damage her own.

If this is true then that means that versions of Pokemon like Great Tusk and Scream Tail could exist in the main games timeline, just that non of the ones we encounter are from there.

Cubone's skull is a part of its body; it is born with it, just like a turtle's shell. My source for this? In Red and Blue, someone mentions how Team Rocket is stealing Cubone skulls because they sell for a lot of money. It’s also implied that Team Rocket kills the Cubone to get these skulls. But if Cubone only wore the skull like a mask or a hat, why would it die when Team Rocket tries to take it? Well, as I mentioned earlier, the skull is attached to its head in the same way a turtle's shell is attached to a turtle’s body. And just as if you would take a Turtle's shell it would die the same applies to Cubone

The "skull" may not be actual bone but could be made of keratin or ivory—the same materials as turtle shells or elephant tusks. The headshell on Cubone might be attached in a way that allows some movement or "wiggle room" inside, which creates the illusion of it being a hat or mask when Cubone moves wildly. The Pokédex is notoriously unreliable and filled with exaggerated legends (like Kadabra supposedly being a super-smart kid, lmao). Since Cubone is one of the rarer Pokémon, the legend that it wears its dead mother’s skull may have spread without thorough examination.

A Close examination would likely be difficult anyway, as trying to remove or pull on Cubone's headshell would be painful for it. This could explain why Cubone is so protective of its skull.

When Cubone evolves into Marowak, its headshell evolves too, becoming less loose. It also develops coverage around its lower jaw through another shell, creating a more rounded shell protection on its head. (Take a look at the artwork of "Pokémon - Marowak (78/162) - XY Breakthrough.") Perhaps Cubone’s looser head shell serves a purpose: baby Pokémon might need more "breathing room" or flexibility.

Now for the bone it carries: I think it’s something Cubone is born with, like a placenta. Cubone carries this bone and uses it as a weapon throughout its life. The bone is likely made of the same material as the headshell.

This is my best in-lore explanation for why every Cubone has a "dead mother" story and how they are actually born this way.

A little question surrounding this thematic:

— How many truly alien Pokémon are there?

I'm not talking about Ultra Beasts or Such, like, how many confirmed alien Pokémon there are. The one's I can think about are Deoxys, Eternatus, Solrock and Lunatone who are truly extraterrestrial life form. Kyurem to, based on some hints. Creatures like Clefable and Beheeyem are kind of unclear for me, because it's like the Pokémon company want to make the as vague as possible.

— Why are they here?

If it's a big quantity, and considering that some legendaries from space are here to, then do you guys have any theory to why the planet has so much extra terrestrial activity? A while back, I thought abou the possibility that there's something — maybe the own planet's life energy — that attracts them to this new environment, to maybe, start a new life.

So, according to Bulbapedia, real animals exist in Pokémon.

Animals in the Pokémon world - Bulbapedia, the community-driven Pokémon encyclopedia

The question is, what separates real animals from Pokemon?

Getting the Anime out the way

Real animals get referenced a lot in the Anime, more specifically the early seasons. Turns out this was a mix between the crew not fully understanding the Pokémon world, as well as there not being a huge variety of Pokemon to work with. E.G. Ghastly transforms into a mongoose to scare Ekans, because Zigzagoon didn't exist yet.

Keep in mind, Season one had a lot of early instalment weirdness, like the fact that they would insist that there are only 151 Pokemon in the entire world, and Bill suggesting there are more is treated as something ground-breaking, even thought this should be common knowledge. The entire Pokemon ecosystem doesn't stop at Kanto.

Theory

So, if you've seen the Bulbapedia article, then you will know that the games reference animals as well. Even as recently as Scarlet and Violet having coral reefs and serving mussels as food.

However, the only animals to physically appear are realy primitive ones, like insects, coral and invertebrates. Fish, like salmon and eels are also mentioned as food.

My theory is that non-Pokemon insects, fish and invertebrates do exist, but they have limited intelligence and no special moves, so can't be used as Pokemon. They mostly exist as food or for pollination or just maintaining the eco system.

We know there is a dividing line between what makes a creature a Pokemon and what doesn't due to the Zygarde cells and cores not being considered Pokemon. Magikarp likely avoids crossing this line due to it's ability to evolve into Gyarados.

Of course, more "advance" animals have been mentioned in the past, but not seen, these are likly references to Pokemon. The Indian Elephants get mentioned in Raichu's Pokedex entry, however, this was changed to Copperajah in Arceus Legends.

Before I begin, first things first here:

• Thanks for getting your attention to this madness.

• I'm not a native English speaker, so, sorry if I get anything wrong.

• This is just a fun thought and I need some clarity from all.

There's no bigger controversial saying then the one that claims that Giratina is the Satan of the Pokémon world. Some say yes, he's a big bad evil villain, while some jump to the conclusion that actually no, he's a misunderstood character. While I agree with both of those statements, a want to share my personal opinion after a small discussion on the matter.

To understand it, we need to go to the first depictions of Satan in mythology and what it was: the devil, long ago, was created as a metaphor for the inclination of evil, sin and bad things like violence. But to some vertents, i believe it's Judaism or Gnosticism, I can't really tell, the concept of Satan is actually one equally or being part of god's domain: he is the challenger and the one that challenges living beings, gazing on the look out, but not casted or "evil" like the character of Lucifer.

He works on god's will, or is part of god's mind to test humanity.

Back to Giratina: this Pokémon has a clear reference to the concept of the "fallen" on Christian and Abrahamic myths. Even his Asian inspirations reference a terrible monster that served as a challenge on the legend of Oomukade. That being a giant centipede that serves as a challenge on the myth. But that being said, he is not evil:

He has an important role on controlling anti matter on the other side of the universe, and he also was showed as being adored by the ancient civilization before. That being said, he still holds a grudge to it's father and brothers on some extension, having provided challenges on past games or even threatening to destroy the world, just because he doesn't care.

And this is the part that I want to go: he's not evil. He's actually doesn't have human morality. When we talk about Pokémon — hell, even animals — being good or evil, we try to apply our morality to those creatures we this is impossible. Giratina follows the rules he's been following since the beginning of times, and they're pretty different from what humans created on the very moment they stopped caring about nature as it was. Many legendary Pokémon are like that, actually. Concepts of good and evil are creations of our mind for our society, in the end, and it can be very relative on nature's perspective.

• Althoug I've seen some people claim of a metaphysical manifestation of evil in Pokémon, so...

Giratina, however, still serves as the "challenger" of matter and of it's dad's image. So much so that I think, symbolic, this was represented on legends arceus:

Santan (Giratina) challenges Arceus and Human mind once he finds Volo, being it's chosen. God (Arceus), to prove his point, chooses his hero (Lucas/Dawn) to step up for the views of the new world. Once Giratina was defeated, he abandons Volo and go away, gazing at the shadows of the old world.

The long battle between light and darkness, where we are mere puppets.

My theory isn’t necessarily to claim that the ultimate weapon did cause the Paldea crater—knowing Game Freak, they probably won’t ever connect regional histories that deeply (though they could always choose to change things up in future entries). However, I’ve seen a lot of people mention this idea, followed by plenty of criticism against it. I just wanted to share a thought that might provide a counterpoint or add some depth to the discussion. I’ve been thinking a lot about the timeline and lore connections between Pokémon Scarlet and Violet and Pokémon X/Y, particularly regarding Area Zero and the ultimate weapon. What if the ultimate weapon’s energy caused the creation of the Great Crater of Paldea millions of years ago? Here’s my reasoning: In ORAS, it’s explained that the ultimate weapon was powerful enough to split the timeline into two branches—one where the Kalos war happened (and Mega Evolution exists) and one where it didn’t. This implies the weapon’s energy could do more than just physical destruction; it could disrupt time itself. Now, fast-forward (or backward?) to Area Zero. This location is described as a place of temporal instability. The Time Machine is built there specifically to access these anomalies, connecting to the deep past in Scarlet and the far future in Violet. The AI Professor even mentions that they can only exist within the lab due to these temporal effects. What if the ultimate weapon fractured time so significantly that it caused an explosion both 1,000,000 years in the past (creating the crater) and millions of years into the future? This could explain why Violet focuses on robotic Pokémon—they might be the only Pokémon that survived such a catastrophic event in the future timeline. Some might say, “But the ultimate weapon’s blast occurred in the present, not the past.” However, if time travel in Pokémon works like some sci-fi theories suggest, the energy might have retroactively affected the timeline. AZ, who fired the weapon, could have seen a crater appear that wasn’t previously there—a paradox caused by the weapon itself. And if the weapon had the power to split timelines and create a history with an entirely new “ancient past,” who’s to say it couldn’t break time in other ways?

This theory is not mine. It was originally part of this blog.
I will just summarize it:

• In promotional material for Pokémon Gold and Silver, Jynx was depicted alongside the Kimono Girls, suggesting they were Jynx’s trainers.
• The Kimono Girls are related to summoning Ho-Oh.
• In the original Pokémon Snap, Jynx was shown dancing around Articuno's egg.
• In the late '90s, the Jynx controversy emerged.

In conclusion: Jynx was probably meant to have an important role in Generation 2, possibly even being related to summoning a Legendary Pokémon. However, due to the controversy surrounding her, this idea was likely scrapped.

Just ocurred to me, that getting the Silph Scope or the Master Ball specifically wasn't Givanni's goal when taking over Silph. He wanted to take control of the whole company, wanted it to be transfered to him, that's what he was "negotiating" with the president.

Team Rocket's goal was to make money of selling pokémon. They don't want to take over the world, they don't want to invoke and ancient power, they don't want to purse any megalomaniac plan. They want money, plain and simple. And they realized people need and want pokémon like they need water. So, if they can control acces to pokémon they control the money. That's why they were stealling pokémon in the first place, to resell them. But if people can get new pokémon their plan is futile, so they need to either restrict people access to new pokémon, or control said access too. That's what Giovanni was after, controlling the poke-ball porduction line as a whole, not just getting the master-ball.

So, there is a theory by Kiskeym2 that Legendary Pokemon, like the Original Dragon that became the Toa Trio, Zygarde and Eternatus are remnants of Giants defeated by Arceus.

One thing I noticed is that, whilst the first 4 gens had legendary/mythical Pokemon that control nature around the world, Gens 5 onwards focus more on local deities of the regions.

This is understandable, as there are only so many aspects of the universe that can be personified, but I've noticed that a lot of these new Kami coincide with the introduction of Giants and other invasive creatures.

Galar

I'm starting with this one, because it's the easiest to explain, and will make understanding the more complex examples easier.

Information from this thread: [Essay Part I] To You, 20'000 Years From Now - A deep dive into ancient Galar history :

Basically, Eternatus was one of the giants from a meteorite that was about to hit a forest in Galar. Calyrex was created as a defence mechanism, to teleport the forest to a safe place, but got itself injured, due to the move draining it's power.

Zacian and Zamazenta were eventually recruited by Calyrex to help fight Eternatus, when the dragon caused trouble for Galar.

Alola

Kiskeym2 hasn't explored this one, so I'm just saying what I've worked out.

So, Alola was been having trouble with Ultra Beasts. We don't know where the Tapu guardians came from, but it's possible that, similar to Calyrex, they too came into existence to protect their region from these invasive creatures.

Solgaleo/Lunala (depending on the version) came from a portal and fought the Tapus. It's unknown why, but in the end, Solgaleo/Lunala won, but granted the Tapus Tapunium Z as a reward for putting up a good figth.

Eventually, Necrozma (who is eaither a giant, or something completely different, but the point is that it was a invader) came and started stealing light, so the Tapus, with the help of a human and the Tapunium Z, defected it.

A personal theory I have is that Solgaleo/Lunala knew what Necrozma was going to do, and gave the Tapus the Z in order in preparation for this. The fight could have been a test.

Kalos

This one is a bit different. Info from here: [Hypothesis] The Alien God of the Ultimate Weapon :

Xerneas and Yveltal were alien invaders, tipping the balance of life and death.

Zygarde was one of the giants, also from space, but in a twist, ended up being a beneficial symbiont of earth, keeping Xerneas and Yveltal powers in check.

Unova

So, the theory goes that the Original Dragon arrived thousands of years ago, and in it's dormant state, caused the Ice Age. Whilst this did have a huge impact on Earth, it was something life was able to recover from and adapt to.

The real threat was when the Dragon woke up thousands of years later and nearly destroyed the world with the Sword of the Vale (which is apparently canon to the games). Luckily King Harmonia was able to talk the dragon down, due to his psychic powers, and the two became friends. The dragon decided to share it's Dragon Force, using the sword which at the time was beneficial for harvests.

It was until the dragon split due to the two princes disagreement that the Dragon Force became deadly. the two princes had to put their diffrerneces aside, and removed the Sword of the Vale from the kingdom, a feat that as only achievable due to the Victory Pokemon, Victini.

So, maybe Victini is another defence mechanism made to protect the world from the Original Dragon.

Since real-life extinct animals tend to have some kind of descendant, even if distantly related, what pokémon could be each fossil pokémon’s closest living descendant?

My picks are based on designs, stats, behaviors, in-game locations, and real life inspirations & connections.

• Omastar line: Octillery line.
• Kabutops line: Scyther line or Gliscor line.
• Aerodactyl: Crobat line or Skarmory.
• Anorith line: Clawitzer line.
• Lileep line: Staryu line, Pincurchin or Pyukumuku.
• Rampardos line: Haxorus line.
• Bastiodon line: Aggron line.
• Archen line: Dodrio line or Swanna line.
• Carracosta line: Blastoise line or Lapras line.
• Tyrantrum line: Tyranitar line or Pidove line.
• Aurorus line: Tropius or Meganium line.
• Drake half: Haxorus line or Rhyperior line.
• Dino half: Walrein line.
• Bird half: Braviary line.
• Fish half: Sharpedo line.

Both are in the field egg group

Both have sand rush as an ability

Their respective unevolved forms have pick up as a standard ability

Pokédex entry for Herdier in Pokémon Black mentions it having a fur cape that decreases the damage it receives which lines up with Greavard and Houndstone's hidden ability fluffy (halves damage from moves that make contact)

Have similar learnsets

Stoutland learns last resort

Houndstone learns last respects

Can both learn lick, a physical ghost type move

They both have similar looking fur coats.

Am I (ironically considering this theory is about a ghost Pokémon) seeing things or making connections that aren't there or am I onto something?

I think this is the best sub to ask this question.

Now, we know that in some myths there were multiple Giants, in others there was only one "Black Giant", in some myths he is "brother/s" of Arceus (or rather, supreme god AUS) and in others he is his destructive alterego/avatar . his role is that of the first major obstacle for AUS, or to exploit his destructive nature to create, but then this means that he will have to be killed in some way by someone, in the end, practically in every myth where he appears, the corpse of the Giant/s is exploited by AUS in some way.

in the games, however, we know that they were many giant and that their powers are contained in the plates, we know that they are still present in the lore, because even with the new engravings and revisited versions of some other plate engravings in PLA, the Flame Plate presents a engraving that talks about the "Giants" and is practically the same as that of the original games. and that's it.

so do you have any theories about them and the role they played in the definitive and canonical version of the creation of the Pokémon world ?

e.g Blue’s Raticate dies in RBY, Ash making a wish to Ho-Oh, etc.

If you have any creepy or dark ones please do share as those are some of my favorites. I love the eerie parts of the series.

I think this theory already exists, but this is just my personal take useing information I found.

The theory is that there is more then one Mewtwo. How is this possible? Mewtwo was created in a lab that got destroyed. I can't say for certain, but to be fair, this sort of thing has happened before.

Just look at Type: Null. There was only supposed to be three of it, but Sword and Shield revealed another one had been created illegally.

Now the question is, how many Mewtwo exist?

What doesn't count

First I'll be listing appearances of Mewtwo that don't count for one reason or another.

• Event Mewtwos: Events don't count because they are "forth-wall" in nature. This could also apply to Poke Portal News.
• Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Whilst I do believe these games are canon, I subscribe to the theory that they are set in the far future, after humans went extinct. So, any and all Mewtwo appearances could be from a previously owned Mewtwo, but they don't have to be.
• Pal Park: A feature from Gen 4 that allows player to transfer their Gen 3 Pokemon into their Gen 4 games. This means that the Mewtwo we catch in Pal Park is the same one we caught in Gen 3.
• Mewtwo's from other universes: Ultra Space Wilds, Dynamax Adventure, presumably Ramanas Park and, most notably, the Mewtwo owned by Giovanni from Team Rainbow Rocket.
• Mysterial's Mewtwo: Whilst the main story of Pokemon Battle revolution could be canon, it's unlikely the unlockable Master's are. Mewtwo aside, these battles also have trainers using the Creation Trio.

Following Mewtwo

To determine how many Mewtwo's there are, wee are going to have to look at every one of it's canonical appearances in the games.

Kanto Mewtwo

The first three gens have only one Mewtwo. The one in Kanto's Cerulean Cave.

In gen 4, Mewtwo appears again in HG/SS also in Cerulean Cave, but in a game that takes place after gen 3's FR/LG. Interestingly, this Mewtwo doesn't appear in the original G/S, only the remake HG/SS. Given it appears in the exact same location as the Mewtwo from FR/LG, I think we can assume it's the same one that eaither wasn't caught, or was released. The fact that Red never uses Mewtwo as an NPC, despite being his most powerful Pokemon, may suggest it's not with him.

Kalos Mewtwo

Gen 6 is more debatable. This Mewtwo appears in Unknown Dungeon of Kalos. It is possible that this Mewtwo is the same one that travelled to this regain because he heard about the Mega Stones, but I don't know. Bear in mind, Y/X is bealvied to take place in a new timeline. One where Mega Stones exist, as well as a new type, Fairy.

Sure, some may say that X/Y takes place after B/W, due to the mention of Team Plasma's defeat, but consider this: All games up until D/P have had remakes, so who's to say B/W won't have one? One that takes place before X/Y in the Mega Timeline.

What we should consider is Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee. A game where Mewtwo is a required catch. Whilst we could say this is yet another a separate timeline, I feel it would be simpler to place it in the Mega Timeline, unless there are any major contradiction for this.

If that's the case, Kalos Mewtwo is most Likly a different individual then Kanto Mewtwo.

Pokken Shadow Mewtwo

Is ones pretty easy. Pokken has a corrupted version of Mewtwo called Shadow Mewtwo. As this Pokemon was in it's Shadow form for since Anne was a child, this cannot not be any of the previously mentioned Mewtwos.

So this gives us three Mewtwos, which I feel is a nice number for completion.

Other appearances

So, we've determined there are, at least three Mewtwos. So, just to wrap things up, I'm going to do a list of four more appearances of Mewtwo, all of which don't have to be separate individuals.

Silver's Mewtwo

In Stadium 2, Silver has a Mewtwo. Whilst Stadium's canonicity is questionable due to Giovanni still being active despite Blue being champion, I just thought I'd mention it. Luckily, Mewtwo's appearance in this game is made moot when you remember that Stadium is exclusive to the "Classic Timeline", so if this Mewtwo isn't Kanto Mewtwo, it could be one of the other two.

Ranger Mewtwo

Mewtwo appears in Ranger: Guardian Signs, although it's unclear if this is a ew Mewtwo or not. Of course, this is Gen 4, so it's pretty early and before the introduction of the Mega Timeline. For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to say it's not a unique specimen.

UNITE's two Mewtwos

And finally, Mewtwo is a playable character in Pokemon UNITE. Although, due to the fact that both teams can have a Mewtwo, at least two must exist.

I'll admit, I'm pretty biased against this example. I think two more Mewtwos would be kind of excessive. So, I'm going to solve the problem with a little headcanon of mine.

Since Hoopa was made playable befroe Mewtwo, and is the second playable Legendary/Mythical Pokemon (after Zeraora) overall, then maybe most if not all subsequent Legendary Pokemon are actually summoned from other universes, via the Hoopa rings.

Summery

• There are (a least) three Mewtwos. Kanto, Kalos and Shadow.
• Silver's Mewtwo and the one from Ranger may just be one of these three.
• UNITE Mewtwo's may be from Hoopa Rings

The reason it is so expensive and so rare in universe is because it uses origin ore which is extremely expensive to both find and extract. The ball isn’t made of it purely but does incorperate it just enough to give it a massive catch boost thoughts?

So, Pokemon UNITE is a spinoff game. Unlike other games, players don't catch Pokemon. Instead the have to buy "unite Licences" that allows the player to use the Pokemon each licences is for. E.g. If you want to use Pikachu, you need to get the licence.

This raises the question, where do trainers get the Pokemon each licences is for?

An official comic called "Welcome to the Stadium" implies that trainers can bring their own Pokemon. But I doubt that every Pokemon you get a licence for is one your character already owned.

My theory: The Pokemon are rentals provided by the Unite Battle Committee itself.

Think about it. There are 68 Pokemon available (and more to come). Whilst it's easy to assume all these are the Pokemon your character canonically caught, it's unlikely that one kid would have been able to get Legendary and Mythical Pokemon across multiple regions.

It's also a but coincidental that every NPC we encounter only ever uses Pokemon the player owns. And there's definitely no way that many NPC's can have their own versions of these legendries/mythicals like Mewtwo or Ho-oh or Hoopa.

This could also explain why the battles only allow one of each species of Pokemon per team. since they only have so many to rent. It can't be an issue with not having enough licences', because, at the end of the day, these are just pieces of card which are liable to get lost, damaged or stolen. So they would need to keep plenty of spares in reserve for when this happens. So the supply-and-demand issue (if any) must lie with the Pokemon themselves.

So in summary: Most of the Pokemon used in Pokemon Unite are rentals owned by the Unite Battle Committee. Although, trainers can, if they desire, bring their own Pokemon to battle, as long as the Committee have the license for it.

So I’ve been playing SwSh after 4 years, and I just noticed that the eyeholes on Allister’s mask glow only a few times. Does this mean he has his eyes closed most of the time, even during battles? It kinda makes sense since he’s shy and has anxiety, but I’m wondering if there’s any other explanation for it.

Phoebe's design seems heavily inspired by this discarded Betamon, is it just a coincidence or was Game Freak sorry for the cancellation of the Betamon "reincarnating" it as Phoebe?

https://i.ibb.co/SdbRwc0/1731051482920743.png

I which you could do multiple tags because this can be multiple things. unfortunately this sub doesn't allow images which sucks so I'll expalin best to my detail

it shows off gladion throwing posibly poison memory??? at silvally which shows that he's got a little cd player on it's face that opens up for it to read the memory. (which is confirmed in the anime that's how it functions)

but here's the REAL juicy info. it says that the memory has arceus plates on it. (translations says create a layout that looks like an optical disc of mosaic (simulaure to technical machine) that is a mixture of Arceus plates and artifacs) it points to the cd portion saying mechanical part and points at the colored part saying part of the arceus plate.

obviously concept stuff is concept stuff despite several things kinda portraying in canon just not to the extremes. emaples being the whole thyplosion situation is not canon but pla shows a guy with a frosslass as his wife.

this revalation is also prominent to be true. there isn't nessicarily an alternative with how it works and considering the silvally line is canonically a failed test subject to recreate arceus it would make sense trying to use arceus plates to accomplish it despite it failing

the question is how? I ended up having an argument with my freind about this and he doesn't believe that they are arceus plates because and i qoute

"Because 1 it means Aether paradise Somehow found all of the plates Which in lord, there is only of each of And are with Aeceus at all times And number 2 means they managed to break The plates Silvally is made of like 18 different pokemon, it’s a hybrid clone It doesn’t use the plates Isaac, you cannot tell me you think that 1 Aether paradise managed to get all 18 plates, and 2 managed to damage them And Arceus wouldn’t turn that island into molten slag"

I tried bringing up that arceus plates are found underground in sinnoh as an explination how they proubably bought them to be shipped to be used for the experimentation. but he brings up in PLA the plates are treated as one in a kind. we've kinda brought ourselves in a pickle of how the canon works because we have 2 official source materials telling us different things.

as for how to cut those things apart? that I'm stumped. I mean I could take the easy way out and say aether paradise have laser cutting technology. which can go through diamonds if we assume legends arceus plates have a hardness scale of the hardest mineral in universe but is it a well solid solution?

what do you think? (and yeah I can post my entire conversation with my friend in the comments for more insight on both sides of the argument)

https://x.com/CentroLeaks/status/1854973155678568570/photo/1 I just realized i could just send a link in the text. I need to actaully post on reddit more often man smh

Geographically, Cianwood City’s on an entirely different landmass from the rest of the Johto region. We only get a glimpse of this landmass which is an edge that Cianwood City rests on. It’s seemingly not its own island given it’s named Cianwood City, I could be incorrect but we never see it referred to as an island itself like we do other locations that take place on separate landmasses from a region’s mainland (Cinnabar Island, Liberty Garden). Instead, it’s referred to as a “beachside city” and as a port

I’m really curious about the implications of this, it just seems really interesting. It’s not just the remoteness of Cianwood that intrigues me because we see locations remote of a region’s mainlands such as with Cinnabar, it’s the fact we barely see what this location belongs to

Johto’s maps in generation II and IV don’t show this landmass in full, so I don’t think it’s a case where the landmass is recognized as apart of Johto outside of Cianwood:

https://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/2/2e/Johto_Town_Map_GSC.png

https://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/04/Johto.png

I know Cianwood City is likely modeled after parts of Shikoku, but I’m looking for in-universe explanations.

Why is Cianwood City separate from the rest of Johto, and why is it considered Johto? Why would this landmass seemingly separate from Johto have a city that belongs to Johto? Is this landmass a region of its own, and if so, is it an inhabited or uninhabited region? Gen II and Gen IV could have differing answers, given the existence of the Johto Safari Zone in Gen IV.

I imagine a lot of answers would be very speculative so feel free to share, but if there is any canon information that could give a clue I’d appreciate that as well

I'm not to sure if this game is canon or not.

I've heard people say it's set in the ancient past, but the problem with that is Mewtwo existing, despite not being made yet. Did Mewtwo just time travel, or is Conquest not in the past, or is it just not canon to begin with?

I've never actually played conquest, so I won't know if there's anything that tells us how/if it fits with the rest of the games.

So, Snacksworth (yes, that's his name) is a character who gives the player treats that let the player encounter 25 different Legendary Pokemon.

Most of these we already know multiple exist. Some we don't know how many there are, but there's no particular reason why there can't be more then one.

Then we get to the Tao Trio: Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem, who are all implied to be unique individuals, and not species.

So, what's going on? Is there more then one Tao Trio? Did the events of Black and White not happen in SV timeline? Is Snacksworth some kind of dimension traveller? Or is the whole thing just non-canon?

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i want to bust today a myth or be taught otherwise with this post.

!There are 2 Main theories for Paradox Pokémon.!<
!1. Paradox Pokémon are from the same timeline just from the Past and Future.!<
!2. Paradox Pokémon are from another timeline like the Ultra beasts and are similar to the Pokémon we know.!<

!I am not a fan of the 2nd theorie for many points. !<

!First of all Sada or Turo build a timemachine not a machine which can Enter wormholes. How should they know how to build a Wormhole machine, they only got the Information from Brias book through Terapagos timetravel. In this book shouldn't be mentioned how to create wormholes.!<

!Secondly, yes when the professors are teleported from the Past with terapagoses help, they told, that their theorie is that Paradox Pokémon do come from different timelines. But this was only stated in the english version of the Game. Not in for example the german one. I couldn't completely identify the Japanese one (my Japanese isn't that good), but it wasn’t clearly labeled as a 'different timeline. More like "different time".!<

!Thirdly, why do so many people trust the professors in the true ending at the lake? They didn't even build the time machine nor could identify the Box Cover legendary. Sada or Turo could just yap there nonsene hahah!<

!Fourthly, Ai-Sada or Ai-Turo stated LITERLLY before deactivating the time machine, that Paradox Pokémon are form the Past or Future.!<
!"It sends Poké Balls to a different point ON the timeline to catch Pokémon there [...]"!<
!"Even as we speak, the time machine continues to automatically dra FUTURE Pokémon to this time."!<
!I mean that IS literally the evidence for no other timeline.!<

!And last but not least, where the hell do people take the information, that it was a parallel universe where the paradox Pokémon came from. I played this game up and down and never seen ANY information for another timeline (maybe the crystalpool Sada/Turo scene, but it was english version only imo).!<

!All in all this is just nitpicking about a game which shall not make any sense cause it is a Bootstrap Paradox, but !<
!the alternate timeline or parallel universe theory clearly doesn't add up in my opinion. So yeah, that's my take to the Paradox Pokémon.!<

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This is why despite being ten or eleven years old, children are able to travel long distances safely as well as heal their Pokemon for free (and buy other goods/services at a trivial rate).

When children reach adult age, they participate in the ruse and take pride in watching a new generation gain the confidence and life experiences on their own journeys as they had when they were younger.

Of course this depends on the world being essentially a utopia where nobody has any ill intentions towards anyone else.

Edit: Disclaimer -- I haven't played a Pokemon game since Gen II.

OK SO HEAR ME OUT, I don’t fully believe this theory, it’s just this weird thought that popped up in my head but what if, Eternatus is a species (which it most likely isn’t) which lives on another planet and Terapagos is its baby form, which evolves into it, they just have so many similarities

-both of them release powerful phenomena on large areas

-both of them are capable of manipulating infinity energy

-both have much larger forms with uncontrollable power

-both can force other pokemon to undergo their phenomena and control them

-both can create their own form of infinity energy

as for why Terapagos can type bend and Eternatus cant, it maybe because Eternatus sheds the type bending power in exchange for just raw, brute force power

I think the Giants are not any Legendaries or Mythicals we have seen, probably separate beings with higher powers than most legendaries, other than Arceus, since he managed to steal their powers, maybe Arceus is the Normal Giant? Though I doubt it, I think Normal is just the default power not tainted by other Types, Arceus is probably his own whole entity, it could be that the Original Spirit created The Giants aswell

crazier theory : what if Ultra Space is some sort of primordial world created by The Giants, but since they had no singular will it became chaotic and its creatures were extremely powerful.

Here we are for the second part of my Pokémon mythology analysis. in case you missed the first part, you can find it here. Today I'll continue the analysis of the cosmogonic myth starting from where I left it last time.

pmyth05

At one point, a large egg appeared at the center.

We see a return to the cosmic egg cosmogony, with the focus shifting again away from the earthly world. This myth seems like an expanded version of pmyth01/pmyth01.1 (notice that the file pmyth01 was lastly modified just after this) but with elements added from pmyth03/pmyth04:

In their boundless happiness, humans gradually forget their reverence for the gods, and their friendship with nature and Pokémon.

This version is also unique in that it introduces for the first time some notes in an appendix. For instance, related to

The scattered pieces of shell transformed into giants and attacked the newly born Aus one after another.

we find that:

Jung describes this as a symbol of the fear and shock of being separated from the womb. Note that the giants alone are not Pokémon.

Then, again,

Since Aus's body appeared different on the left and right sides, he decided to create two counterparts.

and from the notes we understand that

The left and right aren't actually different; rather, they symbolize absoluteness, a metaphor equating the flaws of humans and Pokémon. Ia = male/Pokémon. Ea = female/humans.

We also see clearly stated a tripartition of the beings that populate the Pokemon universe:

Eventually, the gods began to call the beings that lived in their world by three names.

Humans. Pokémon. And nature.

pmyth05.1

This appear to be just a rework of pmyth05 and doesn't add much to the discussion. Notice, however, that from this file on there is a jump of two months in the modification date of the files.

pmyth05.2

The three dragon Pokémon went deep into the highest mountain.

From this line we can argue that at some point Uxie, Azelf and Mesprit were probably regarded as dragon Pokémons.

Both humans and Pokémon, as well as trees and minerals, began to pray together.

This line is an explicitation of the animism intrinsic in the triadicity of humans/Pokémons/nature.

pmyth05.2アウス

This version is almost the same as pmyth05.2.

pmyth05.3

The God of Space Ia was born from the titan’s right hand.

Here we have a return of the black titan figure from whose dismembered body the first gods are created. Furthermore, Ia is referred here for the first time as the god of space instead of light.

And so it transformed its body into an egg once more, entering a deep sleep.

This is a new element to the story.

The few humans that remained in the world apologized to all things.

They apologized to the gods on the first day, and they apologized to Pokemon on the second day.
They apologized to nature on the third day, and they apologized to humanity on the fourth day.

This part is highly reminiscent of the bible creation myth.

Note that this is seems to be, by now, the most sophisticated of the myths. To support this statement, notice that this seems to be the last modified version that we know of.

pmyth06

There were two tribes in the world.

Again a departure from the heavenly cosmogony in the previous versions to a more earthly one.

The plentiful nature was protected by the goddess of time, Ea, who lived in the moon.

In this version Ea is associated with the moon, while Ia with the sun.

The brilliance that brought them good harvest was protected by the god of light, Ia, who lived in the sun.

This is a strange comeback to the previous association of Ia with the light. Maybe a second thought on the space concept, or maybe 05.3 is posterior to 06 (as the modification date would suggest).

The Pokémon killed was the wife of someone from the forest.

First hint of an interbreeding between Pokémon and humans.

The surviving people discussed the matter, and sought advice from the god that lived in the tallest mountain.

This is almost certainly a reference to Aus.

In the notes we find:

What Ia/Ea represent:

Ia - light - stability - sun - agriculture - Japanese people - drought - men - human-made things - anger - diamond
Ea - time - transformation - moon - hunting - Emishi/Ainu people - cold-weather damage - women - nature - sad - pearl
What Ry-Ai-Hy represent:
Balance - harmony - sound - Ding chinese cauldron
What Aus represent:
The ultimate - life - the almighty

This, among the others, hints to the fact that the mountain god is Aus (otherwise absent from the story).

What can we learn?

To sum up, I believe that amongst these first versions, 05.3 is the last one, as it results also from the last modification date. After a brief derive towards a more earthly cosmogony, it seems that in the end the heavenly one is becoming the most prominent again. Finally, in 05.3, we also witness for the first time the attribution of the domain of space to Ia/Palkia.

The next time we will conclude the analysis looking at pmyth07, pmyth07.1イアエア and 増田さん神話資料 (which I believe to be the initial prompt written by Junichi Masuda on the basis of which all the pmyth files were written).

Addendum: while re-analysing the texts, I noticed to have made a mistake in my analysis. Multiple times I simplistically associated Ia with Palkia and Ea with Dialga, grounding this assumption on the domains of space and time. But in their pokemon-like form, Ea is associated with pearls, while Ia with diamonds, therefore the 1-to-1 correspondence Ia/Ea to Palkia/Dialga is ambiguous.

Ever since the recently terabyte leak of GameFreak, I have been creating a theory that Kyurem, the Original Dragon was a part of the Creation Trio. After some research, I found that the user u/MarsAdept created a similar theory at https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemonconspiracies/s/o9AYoKd6BV. I will be referencing parts of their theory in this but please check it out if you want to. Because of the recent leak and newer information from newer games, especially Legends Arceus, I will be expanding upon this theory.

Also, this theory is LONG but that’s because there’s a lot of evidence to support it.

BUILDING UPON PAST EVIDENCE

Some points I really like of theirs is that Kyurem represents PLASMA and is the missing element not seen in the Creation Trio as Palkia, Dialga, and Giratina represent liquid, solid, and gas respectively. Although Kyurem now is an ice type, the Original Dragon Kyurem composed mainly of Reshiram and Zekrom who represent fire and electricity, which are two elements highly attributed to plasma, as well as the past and the future and truth and ideals respectively, with the Kyurem we know now being an ice type because they became an empty husk after Reshiram and Zekrom split. The ice type could represent the missing energy.

Mars also references that Ghetsis in both BW and B2W2 had possession of the Creation Trio orbs. These orbs can transform each of the Creation Trio into their Origin Formes. In both of these Gen 5 games exists the Light Stone and the Dark Stone, two key items similar to the Creation Trio orbs that awaken Reshiram and Zekrom. There is another stone that is unobtainable in these games known as the GOD STONE. I believe that this stone is one of the Creation Trio orbs but it is one that is used for Kyurem. There is a possibility that this God Stone is unobtainable because it is currently unusable. The God Stone must have split off into the Light and Dark Stones like how Reshiram and Zekrom split off from the Original Dragon Kyurem. I believe this God Stone used to have similar properties like the Creation Trio orbs, but like how Kyurem became a husk, the God Stone became a husk as well.

Mars also points out that Zekrom and Reshiram represents Yin and Yang which are surrounded by Wuji (Kyurem) to make Taiji, which is the highest principle that from which all life flows.

NEW INFORMATION AND EVIDENCE

I believe that the Original Dragon that represents Taiji, also represents ENERGY/BALANCE.

So we know in Pokémon Platinum that there exists the Distortion World. We originally thought that Giratina was the only member of the Creation Trio to live in another world, but after Legends Arceus, we learn that each member of the Creation Trio live in another world that also awakens their Origin Formes. These worlds are unbound in time, space, and antimatter dependent on the member of the Creation Trio. We also know that in the lore because of the GameFreak leak, Arceus first created Palkia and Dialga and created Giratina later. Kyurem was created after Palkia, Dialga, and Giratina to create a balanced world.

In the leaks, the Tree of Life was created by Lake Guardians, being Azelf, Mesprit, and Uxie. They also cut down this tree and the Weather Trio, being Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza, transformed the pieces of the shattered Tree of Life into the waters, the earth, and the heavens. The shadow in the sky that is said to sustain the heavens is the Pokémon called Giratina. So Giratina was created after Dialga, Palkia, the Lake Guardians, and the Weather Trio, meaning that THE ORIGINAL DRAGON KYUREM WAS CREATED AFTER THE EVENTS OF THE TREE OF LIFE TO CREATE ENERGY/BALANCE IN THE UNIVERSE.

Kyurem’s representation of plasma also adds on to this because plasma makes up 99% of the visible universe. I believe that this means that all of those Pokémon created the principles and foundation for the universe but the Original Dragon Kyurem filled in the void and created boundaries so that time, space, and antimatter couldn’t flow freely and clash with each other, therefore also separating Palkia, Dialga, and Giratina’s world from the Pokemon world. I believe that since each of the Creation Trio has their own worlds that allows them to transform into their Origin Forme, then the Pokemon world is Kyurem’s world, therefore THE ORIGINAL DRAGON IS ORIGIN FORME KYUREM.

As we know, the Lake Guardians are HIGHLY CONNECTED to the Creation Trio. So now we must wonder why the CAVE OF BEING, a cave that specifically hosts the Lake Guardians, is located in Unova. Its map description even states that its deepest caverns might connect to Sinnoh, the first region where the Creation Trio and the Lake Guardians were introduced.

The MOST IMPORTANT EVIDENCE I have for this theory regards the symbol seen in SINJOH RUINS. We know that when you brought Arceus to the Sinjoh Ruins in HGSS, there was a cutscene where Arceus was centered in a symbol and created an egg that hatched a member of the Creation Trio. Thanks to the leaks, we know that each circle in the symbol represents a Pokemon, the ones in the middle are the most heavily related to Arceus and the Tree of Life event. The symbol is very symmetric except for the very middle, the circles that are connected directly to Arceus. If you look in the middle circle, the bottom left area looks like it’s missing a circle and has space for circle. There are three circles, being the members of the Creation Trio, and therefore time, space, antimatter, and three states of matter. Notice how this empty space could easily fill in as plasma? Therefore, THE MISSING SPACE IN THE SINJOH RUINS GENESIS SYMBOL PROVES THAT THERE IS A MISSING ELEMENT OF THE CREATION TRIO, BEING PLASMA, AND A POKÉMON THAT REPRESENTS PLASMA, THE ORIGINAL DRAGON KYUREM.

CLOSING STATEMENTS

So why is Kyurem missing from the Sinjoh Ruin symbol that represents the genesis of the Pokemon universe? It’s possible that GameFreak was planning to add another member of the Creation Trio that represents plasma in the future since Gen 4. It’s also possible that ever since the Original Dragon Kyurem split into Reshiram, Zekrom, and the husk Kyurem, it lost its status as a member of the Creation Trio. It’s also possible there’s someone at GameFreak made this symbol to be completely symmetric and decided to make the center around Arceus asymmetric for no reason. It’s entirely possible that everything could be wrong, but that’s the fun of theory crafting. I do believe that this theory has a LOT of evidence but we will truly never know if it is true until the future games release, possibly a Legends Kyurem or Gen 5 remake game.

If you have read this theory, then thank you very much for reading and I appreciate it. If you have any thoughts or evidence to prove or disprove this theory, please comment in the comments below.

This is mainly hopping off of the leaked lore. But according to the lore of the plates, they are the "shards of the universe", with the defeated giants being infused into them, those that bear a Plate draw from its power, it listen's to the Flute's song, and the power of Pokemon possess the power of Plates. That last line implies that all of the magical animals were gifted the magical power of the elements, but NOT humans .

According to the leak, Arceus hatched and the shards of its egg formed into giants that it battled one after another, slaying them and growing increasingly more powerful became but became weakened from the battle . My thought is this is how the Plates were made, each giant represented a Type and thus their remnants became the plates. From here they affect Judgement specifically, possibly implying that Arceus inflicted metaphorical judgement on these giants. These giants are meant to be inspired by the titans of Greek mythology.

Alongside that, Arceus almost died trying to stop a simple meteor in the movie, but has no trouble in the present, its possible the Jewel of Life was a very early event or before Arceus had recovered. On top of that, only in Sinnoh are you able to get multiple copies, on top of shards via the Underground. Also, Pokemon Journeys, the Flame Plate is also attempted to be used by >!Team Galactic to bring Cyrus back to their Universe. Which resulted in Heatran going on a rampage from its power, likely from a power overflow or the giant taking over.!<

Now I wanna talk about Regigigas. The Blank Plate only appears in Legends: Arceus, not even Scarlet & Violet, but does show up in the anime. Now its likely due to how the item system works but what if that is meant to imply something greater. Its specifically gifted to the player after catching Regigigas, meaning they are in some way linked. What if Regigigas was one of the giants that Arceus defeated, the Normal-Type Giant, shit, its CALLED THE GIGANTIC / COLOSSAL POKEMON. The second point is that the titans of Greek were defeated by the Greek Gods in the titanomachy and imprisoned in the Underworld, very similar to the stuff regarding these giants, like Giratina, who was sent to the Distortion World for his sins.

We are never told that Arceus killed these giants. For the transgression of attacking God, Regigigas could likely have been brought into servitude, carrying the continents on its back with giant ropes, and later building the five Regi's in its own image with Regieleiki gaining non-conductive equipment while Regidrago is unfinished. From here it sustained wounds and became slow and overburdened by Arceus. What's important is they are called the Legendary GIANTS / TITANS, obviously inspired by Hebrew Golems which are specifically brought to life by a human putting one of the names of God into its mouth. It could possibly be making these Regi's in remembrance for its fallen comrades or simply in honor of Arceus.

Now for Hoopa, its interesting, since naturally he's quite a weird creature with the random power over space with particle effects very similar to Giratina's Shadow Force, being able to summon all sorts of deities. He's inspired by djinn / genies, the Quran reject that they are divine but are creatures MADE BY GOD but God was unsatisfied and thus made humans but sent an army of angels to defeat them beforehand. Unbound is inspired by Ifrit, a demonic spirit of the dead that became independant from the Djinn that live in the underworld. He's also based on the Gegenees, six-armed warriors that Heracles fought. Since Unbound is its original form, its possible that its either the Psychic or Drak-Type Giant.

In the XY anime, we see a flashback were the Splash, Flame, and Earth plate are used to create the Prison Bottle to seal Hoopa's power. An artifact made by defeated giants designed to stop and contain the power of a giant. Like its almost too easy of a parallel. However, I want to call attention to something else: its length and color. Hoopa Unbound lasts only three days and appears in the color of black and red smoke or shadow. The exact same length (If you translate days to turns) and color as Dynamax Clouds.

Now is Eternatus' turn, who is... arguably the easiest case for the giants in the entire series, I mean its written everywhere, its called the Gigantic Pokemon (Sharing the same category with Regigigas), is the largest by height, generates Dynamax energy which makes creatures become giants and a unique genetic quirk creates Gigantamax. Its possibly the Poison-Type Giant. It showed up 20,000 years prior to the story and 17,000 years finally awakened from its weird shell. This could imply that it was injured and simply healing, just like when it was beaten 3,000 years by the Legendary Duo. Its likely it was struck down by Arceus and SLOWLY crashed down onto Earth.

Its partially inspired by the Seven-Headed Dragon, who, fun fact, is a depicion of THE DEVIL, who was banished to Earth alongside the Nephilim, the hebrew giants. Fun fact, the word Nephilim MEANS giant, they are the children of fallen angels and human beings. Also almost all of its stuff comes from space, including Wishing Pieces. The only other Pokemon with that kind of origin is Kyurem where it crash landed as the Dragon Stone, same as Eternatus' shell, was so wounded that two princes had to help, opposite of the Legendary Duo. Its even called the ORIGINAL Dragon, like how Arceus is called the Original One.

Side note, there's also Deoxys, whose very specifically a space virus (Which is a very weird thing) that turn into a Pokemon went hit by a laser beam. Now mind you, Pokemon have the power of the Plates and a laser is a SUPER SPECIFIC thing, especially since Eternatus shoots laser's from its core. Its mutation with meteorites is also quite similar to the origins of Eternatus & Kyurem. The crystalline organ also bears a similar color to Wishing Stars, but also has a green variant for some reason... But also Staryu & Starmine operate via similar crystalline organs and come from space. Hmm...

Basically all of this evidence implies that at least Regigigas & Eternatus could be two of the seventeen original giants that Arceus battled when it was first born. Using the bible as imagery, this is the equivalent of Lucifer (The devil / seven-headed dragon) turning one-third of the angels of heaven onto God to usurp his power, similar to what Giratina did. Hoopa could very likely be a construct of Arceus using dynamax energy that failed and was defeated by his angels. In fact, Ultra Necrozma, his original form, is designed similarly to a fallen angel like Lucifer, the morning star, he could be linked in all of this.

Tldr; Regigigas, Hoopa, Eternatus, and even Ultra Necrozma have unexplained / alien / interdimensional origins that imply they could be some of the giants that Arceus battled in the Plate lore in-game and from the official Teraleak. As they are both inspired by giants, golems, djinn, the devil, and fallen angels, those that were made or attacked God.

EDIT: YES, I'M AWARE THAT THE LEAKS ARE NOT CANON, I'M JUST USING THEM TO GAIN AN IDEA OF WHAT THE DEVELOPERS HAD IN MIND WHEN CREATING THE LORE OR WHAT THEY HAVE IN MIND NOW.

I'm replaying Pokemon moon and I'm at the event on Route 9 where Faba and a Aether grunt are trying to get a slowpoke back from 2 team skull grunts. You battle them and the Slowpoke is saved and returned to where ever it is from before it was stolen by Team Skull.

However later, it's revealed Lusamine is evil and freezing Pokemon she finds beautiful, and one of them is a slowpoke. Could this be the same Slowpoke from route 9? Did I just assist in a kidnapping???