I don't know much about the pokemon lore so ignore my stupidity but we know that Pokemon red and blue take place in 1995 or 96. So I'm assuming the Great Pokemon war takes place in like the 1970s or 80s since Lt.Surge might be 40-ish and he may have fought in the Great Pokemon war according to other theories.

So I've thought about this ever since I saw the past paradox pokemon of scarlet and I think I have a reason for some of them, let's take flutter mane for example.

So this pokemon is supposed to be a primal version of misdreavus, but my theory is that after some of them found dusk stones and evolved into mismagius. The genetical change in the evolution was too different compared to flutter mane, so when the mismagius started procreating, misdreavus were born instead with the old flutter manes dying out of aging. Leaving them to go extinct.

But keep in mind that this theory works only for paradox mons that have their original forms evolve via special means (not level up), like Jigglypuff or magneton

Pointing out how underrated Pokemon spin-offs are isn't exactly revolutionary; not only do they barely receive any acknowledgement from developers, but even fans don't give them much attention either beyond the occasional reminiscing. Hearing talk of these games is already fairly uncommon, while discussion about their lore and canonicity is almost nonexistent.

Most are typically of the belief that nearly every spin-off isn't canon. Some may accept the Orre games due to their gameplay, or perhaps the Ranger titles due to their special connectivity, but even then, there's many who don't consider any of these games canon either, as spin-offs are rarely ever referenced in the main series at all.

That's not to say it doesn't happen; Quest, for instance, is referenced quite a bit in SwSh and LGPE, which has led to most accepting the title as canon, albeit, as an in-universe video game. Though Quest is fairly unique in this regard, since beyond that, spin-off references are usually such minor easter eggs it's arguable as to whether they were even intentional or not.

Despite that, there is still one more spin-off that's clearly canon, with the title in question being Pokemon Go. At this point, most have accepted Go's canonicity, at least in some form, but to reiterate for those who may not be familiar as to why, all one needs to do is watch the special videos focusing on Meltan and Gimmighoul; which both feature Professor Willow directly interacting with the main series via LGPE Oak and SV Jacq. Although these videos aren't acknowledged in the actual main series games, the official websites for both of these titles back up the connection being canon.

Though that doesn't mean Go isn't acknowledged in these games at all, especially with GO Park existing. There aren't many direct references to Go outside of that, but there is at least one.

Child (Fuchsia City): "My big brother Bill's job is transferring Pokemon so people can send Pokemon to one another! He's the one who developed the Box system. Oh, and you know the GO Park complex? He made that, too, with some professor from a faraway region."

While this is usually enough for folks to accept Go as canon, due to a number of reasons, that tends to be where it ends. See, there's this widespread belief that while Go's canon, it actually takes place in another dimension or universe that's somehow connected to that of the main series through some kind of interdimensional communication.

The most common factor behind this belief tends to come from the way Go markets itself, as lots of media has referred to Go as "discovering Pokemon in the real world".

"Discover Pokémon in the Real World with Pokémon GO!"

"Reminiscent of the Pokémon GO experience, some of the Pokémon appear to have jumped into the real world, such as Pikachu walking alongside its Trainer and Snorlax snoozing on the front porch of a house."

However, it's quite clear that despite this, the game isn't literally set in the real world. Instead, it's just like any other Pokemon game, serving as a method for us to experience the world of Pokemon.

"With Pokémon GO, you'll discover Pokémon in a whole new world—your own! Pokémon GO will use real location information to allow players to experience catching, trading, and battling Pokémon."

"Travel between the real world and the virtual world of Pokémon with Pokémon GO for iPhone and Android devices."

There is one piece of evidence people love to point to beyond this marketing though, and that's Giovanni. In a trailer for Team Go Rocket, there's the infamous line:

"Earth is where I'll unleash my evil schemes next!"

Most only tend to take this one line into account, despite how text earlier in the video, as well its description, both suggest this is more of a fourth wall break, similar to previous descriptions of "the real world", than Giovanni literally invading our reality.

"They're in our world now!"

"The world of Pokémon GO is in peril."

Some may remain unconvinced, since after all, even if it's a fourth wall break, Giovanni's line is still a clear reference to USUM, which must imply Go Giovanni is the same as USUM Giovanni. If that's the case, Go has to be another world, since it doesn't make sense for Giovanni to invade the same dimension he was just in, right?

Well, these two being the same is rather difficult for a few reasons, but the biggest among them is how it's impossible for USUM Giovanni to have traveled to Go, since we've already clearly seen he went to Masters.

"In the past, I brought various organizations under my own control to form Team Rainbow Rocket. But I was forced to step down thanks to a certain kid who got in my way. I'm in the middle of a new plot as we speak."

Another major reason suggesting these two Giovanni aren't the same is how unlike USUM Giovanni, his Go counterpart doesn't seem capable of freely moving between dimensions.

During the Sinnoh Go Tour, due to spacetime distortions, Giovanni and Professor Willow both end up disappearing. This was clearly unintentional on Giovanni's part, with both him and Team GO Rocket as a whole having no choice but to work alongside the player in order to get them back.

Rhi: "Professor Willow is not the only one missing—Giovanni has vanished as well. Judging by his followers' agitation, his disappearance does not seem intentional."

Sierra: "Giovanni is still missing, as is your professor. How about we call a truce and search for them together? I'd say we both stand to benefit."

There's various other details separating these two versions of Giovanni as well, such as the lack of Rainbow Rocket imagery in Go, the lack of Mega Evolution, the lack of Sync Stones and Dynamax from Masters, Giovanni having a new set of admins who've clearly been with him for quite a while, the complete lack of references to Masters, plus vice versa to Go, and how Go Giovanni isn't fond of losing battles, as opposed to the nonchalance of his USUM variant.

For some, all that may be enough to separate Go and USUM Giovanni, but even so, it doesn't address another potential argument we've briefly seen: the second most common explanation behind this game's canonicity.

Instead of Go being the literal real world, some argue it's still an alternate dimension, since, after all, tons of comments, like the one we saw with Giovanni, refer to Go taking place in "the world of Pokemon Go".

This too, though, is just a way Pokemon games are promoted, it's not meant to literally be saying the game is self-contained. There're numerous examples of other games being referred to in similar manners.

"Learn about the world of Pokémon Scarlet & Pokémon Violet, including different features of the new open-world experience, Pokémon and Trainers you'll meet, and more!"

"The world of Pokémon Legends: Arceus is unlike any you've explored before."

"Whether you're exploring the world of Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Pokémon: Let's Go, Eevee! or engaging in a fierce Pokémon battle, your partner Pokémon will prove to be a valuable ally during your adventure."

"Magearna will be a special ally that you can put to work on your behalf in the world of Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon."

"Hoopa is a Mythical Pokémon in the world of Pokémon Omega Ruby and Pokémon Alpha Sapphire that cannot be encountered through regular gameplay!"

"Ties to the World of Pokémon Diamond and Pokémon Pearl While Pokémon Legends: Arceus is set in a different age than the Pokémon Diamond and Pokémon Pearl games, it seems that there are some connections to be found between them."

Hell, as we saw earlier, Go has even been referred to as the "world of Pokemon" outright, rather than the "world of Pokemon Go".

Some may point to Let's Go, as Pokemon transferred via GO Park are described as having traveled through time and space.

"Traveled across space and time to come to GO Park complex."

Yet this too, is just another common practice throughout the franchise.

Transfer Lab Pokemon: "Apparently arrived at Lv. <level> after a long travel through time."

Gen 6 to 7 Bank Transfer Pokemon: "Seems to have traveled across both space and time to reach you from <region>."

Gen 6 / 7 to Gen 8 Home Transfer Pokemon: "It seems to have traveled all the way across space and time itself to join me from <region>."

Gen 6 / 7 / 8 to Gen 9 Home Transfer Pokemon: "It seems to have travelled across space and time to join me from <region>."

LA to BDSP Pokemon: "It seems to have travelled all the way across space and time to join me from the Sinnoh region of old."

Arguing GO Park as proof of an alternate world is the same as saying that ORAS doesn't take place in the same world as SM / USUM, or that LA doesn't take place in the same world as BDSP.

The canonicity of these transfers is admittedly a bit vague, but regardless, it doesn't seem to utilize other dimensions in-universe, or at least, isn't as canon as gameplay would suggest. For instance, despite Barry and Silver both just starting out as trainers in their respective games, clearly indicating they lack Pokemon to transfer into Pal Park, they still somehow participate in the Catching Show.

"The current record holder is <Rival> with 2000 points. Can you top that?"

More explicitly though, is how the suggested approach of Go being another world communicating with the main series dimension simply doesn't match up with the attitude towards this topic in the actual games.

Hau (USUM): "I never thought I'd actually get to see the Ultra Wormhole in my life... Never mind meeting people from another world! Man, the surprises just never stop coming! We've gotta tell Professor Burnet about this the next time we see her."

Kukui (USUM): "Woo! You got to see the Ultra Wormhole and an Ultra Beast? And folks from another world?! That IS amazing, oh yeah!"

Burnet: "The reason that people think there may be a mysterious dimension is because of the legends of fearsome Pokémon appearing from the Ultra Wormhole. It's very weak as proof, but I can't ignore it. There is also plenty of evidence already in the Pokédex for the existence of different dimensions, right?"

Professor Cozmo: "You fool! You have no substantive proof, and yet you claim another world, one just like our own, exists? Out of this fantasy, you—you have destroyed our only hope!"

The same holds true on Go's end as well, with characters never making even the slightest reference to "other worlds" or "alternate dimensions". Instead, the world of Go is simply treated as just another region, similar to how it was referred to in LGPE, with there even being the occasional reference to events from main series games.

Willow: "In other regions, Trainers use Mega Bracelets to help their Pokémon Mega Evolve."

(...)

"A Pokemon found in a jungle far to the south that was thought to have been extinct."

(...)

"Remember that meeting I was preparing to attend? It was with Silph Co., a large company in the Kanto region. They've had issues with villainous organizations in the past, and I was curious if they’d had any trouble recently."

(...)

"Thankfully, I was able to find a few hints in some old manuscripts sent to me by colleagues in the Sinnoh region. They mentioned that the Adamant Crystal and Lustrous Globe are somehow connected to Dialga and Palkia—Legendary Pokémon originally discovered in the very same Sinnoh region!"

(...)

"This one seems like it's mired in a fit of rage—not unlike a certain Red Gyarados that once rampaged the Johto region's Lake of Rage. Back then, Team Rocket used a mysterious radio broadcast to force Magikarp to evolve."

(...)

Willow: "Oh--hello, Jacq! It was great hearing you speak at the World Pokemon Ecological Society conference the other day!"

Jacq: "Thank you. Your lecture, "Strolling through the World of Pokemon," was fantastic, too!"

Hell, the most probable place for this kind of talk to come up would be the introductory "Welcome to the world of Pokemon" speech, which also occurs in Go, yet no such mention occurs there.

"Hello there! I am Professor Willow. Did you know that this world is inhabited by creatures known as Pokémon? Pokémon can be found in every corner of the earth. Some run across the plains, others fly through the skies, some live in the mountains, or in the forests, or near water... I have spent my whole life studying them and their geography. Will you help me with my research?"

But wait a second there, Go just can't be part of the main series continuity with all the legendaries reappearing. How can Pokemon like Reshiram and Zekrom reappear when they're required catches in BW and are implied to be one of a kind Pokemon?

Simple. Raids aren't as canon as they appear. Some of them still occur, that is, but not necessarily how gameplay presents them. The most notable example of this comes during Hoenn Go Tour, where Groudon and Kyogre start rampaging. Despite part of the story requiring the player to activate Primal Reversion, obviously meaning they'd need to capture the legendaries, the characters don't act like the player did; instead, apparently, they only "calmed" the Pokemon.

Sierra: "Truly impressive! You've managed to calm Primal Kyogre and Primal Groudon more than once now."

Professor Willow: "Even with that disaster averted, Primal Kyogre and Primal Groudon are no closer to calming down."

The idea that there's a region out there which looks just like our real world planet is an utterly bizarre one, no questions asked, and Go's method of marketing hasn't done that fact any favors. Despite the numerous other oddities and bumps, it's still clear that Go is indeed canon, and is also meant to take place in the same world as the main series, even if Niantic is doing a rather poor job at properly portraying that.

In the game Pokemon OR and AS Brenden who is the Canon player character beats Steven but in the game in the post game Steve says he will give up his champion title to Wallace so did Brenden lose to Steven or did Brenden beat Steven to become champion in ORAS

Poke holes, please! I'm laying out my thought process below, hence the bullet points.

• Legendary pokemon come in different tiers of legendary, from llama-god Arceus and embodiments of the natural world, like Time Lord Dialga and Space Lord Palkia, to Manaphy who makes a bunch of baby Phiones, but is incredibly rare.
• Mew is basically the Pan-Pokemon, the stem-cell pokemon, and there have been more than one mew used in the separate creations of MewTwos, and mews have been sighted all over the world, with some being guardians of local sacred spaces.
• IRL there's this thing called diapause, about which wikipedia says, "In animal dormancy, diapause is the delay in development in response to regular and recurring periods of adverse environmental conditions."
• IRL Laid eggs have a limited store of nutrition to see the critter develop to viability, so there's a time limit that an egg can say in a diapaused state before it dies.
• (Here's the stretch) Let's say that all pokemon have the potential to make a mew egg, because stem-cell pokemon, but for the mew egg to develop properly, it has to be exposed to enough of all 18 different type energies. That can be difficult, hence mew's extreme rarity.
• No one ever finds ditto eggs, yet ditto are found pretty much everywhere
• My headcanon atm is that, at a late stage in a mew egg's diapause state, if it hasn't been saturated with enough of the different type energies to fully develop, it instead develops as best it can, which is why Dittos only know one move and are blobs that can't levitate.

Thoughts?

Is Alder the ancient hero of hisui

I believe Alder is the ancient hero of hisui because he just looks like him

Also the ancient hero had modern pokeballs which shouldn't exist

It does make sense since Ingo did travel in the past so why wouldn't him

Also Alder is very strong so it makes sense he befriended the 10 ancient pokemon and beat arceus

Also the ancient hero look like a much older version of Alder

Kudos to u/Galarian_Rapidash for posting this thread and commenter u/Flarestrom88 for getting my gears turning! This was originally posted as a reply to their comment in that thread, but it keeps growing so I'm making my own thread.

Here's a crackpot theory: Steven was Petalburg's previous Gym Leader. Bear with me, 'cuz there's more.

But to start with Steven: He's canonically 25, and if he had a prior post as a Trainer before Champion, Gym Leader is the natural stepping-off point. There's precedent for Champions having short tenures, too. Moreover, being 25, he'll have moved out of his parents' home recently; Most young people, when first becoming independent from parents, will seek to go far enough to start being self-sufficient, but not too far they can't still lean on their parents at all when they may really need to. Petalburg qualifies if he grew up in Rustboro, where his dad's company is headquartered.

Since becoming Champion, sure, now he lives in Mossdeep, quite far from Petalburg. But Devon Corporation is in Rustboro, and Steven has few ties to Mossdeep but many to Rustboro and the surrounding area. He has an Aggron, and Aron can be caught in Granite Cave north of Dewford, close to Rustboro and Petalburg. Claydol, Meteor Falls, close to Rustboro. Skarmory, east of Lavaridge, which is still Western Hoenn and not too far from Rustboro. Finally, he's got both a Cradily and an Anorith, which -- yep -- Are revived fossils, and that we know, that can only happen in... Rustboro, at his Dad's company.

It's also not unreasonable to think perhaps Petalburg went a year or two without a Gym Leader before Norman, if they had to find someone from a whole other Region to take the job -- and then that person had to, you know, move across region lines (IRL equivalent would be moving across state lines I guess). That's more time Steven would've served as Champion. Steven even weirdly seems to take a special interest in the Player throughout their journey... and the Player's Dad, is Petalburg's new Gym Leader. Hell, this is a stretch, but the Gym's interior is literally the shape of a diamond. Stone?! C'mon!

Consider this: Steven and Roxanne seem roughly the same age, and according to bulbapedia they're close friends and they go on digs together a lot. They could have "come up" together. That's one more connection Steven has to that area, and Bulbapedia says the same of Steven and Brawly, who's also based not far from Petalburg and Rustboro. With Steven's Dad as a leading businessman in Rustboro, and especially if his son was a Gym Leader in nearby Petalburg, either Joseph alone or both Joseph and Steven could've helped Roxanne get the Rustboro Gym gig. Nepotism is one hell of a drug.

That begs the question... Steven only would've been Petalburg Gym Leader a short time; Maybe close to a decade at the very most if he started off very young. So who before him? No one. I think Steven was the first Petalburg Gym Leader. Look at the size of Petalburg City! It's tiny!! It makes sense for it to only recently have gotten a Gym, it would fit for Steven to have been the first because it then would've been made specifically for him and that's the kind of thing only Stone money can do, and it being kind of a wimpy city and new gym still proving itself could lend credence to why no one local would want the job, but maybe someone looking to make a major change of scenery... could.

I'm not done yet. Check this out.

According to Bulbapedia... E4 Drake sailed with Mr. Briney and Steven's dad, Joseph Stone, and they're all friends. Mr. Briney lives south of Rustboro, where Joseph Stone is based. Drake's Pokémon also have a lot of ties to the area: Salamence and Shelgon both evolve from Bagon originally, which is only caught in Meteor Falls. Altaria and its pre-evolution Swablu are both caught on the other side of Meteor Falls from Rustboro, and Flygon evolves from Trapinch which aren't caught much further away.

Drake's also an old retired sailor, and not just any sailor -- a Captain. And Slateport City is Hoenn's biggest Port City. It also doesn't have a Gym. But what if it used to? Here's my pitch: Drake was a Ship Captain, which probably would've worked best for him if he'd have been based in Slateport after moving away from his [assumed] hometown of Rustboro (or nearby) where he has the most ties. But if he's in the E4, he probably spent some time as a Gym Leader, right? But Captaining a ship can keep someone away for days on end on longer voyages or multiple successive trips; If he was a Captain based in Slateport but his Gym was somewhere else, it would have been extremely inconvenient. If Drake was a Hoenn Gym Leader before he joined the E4, it virtually has to have been in Slateport.

So what if Petalburg's Gym opened because Slateport's closed? The way Flannery talks about her grandpa's time in the E4, it doesn't sound like he just retired, so I don't think it's as simple as Norman taking over for Flannery's grandpa's successor. But Flannery's also young, so it can't have been too long ago, either. Here's the pitch: Flannery's grandpa taps Slateport City Gym Leader Drake as his E4 successor. Drake's old buddy Joseph Stone has a shitload of money and influence and a very talented young son, so he says to Drake, "Hey, close your Gym." (Maybe the Gym is even repurposed into a Contest Hall, or a Museum, or a Shipyard!). "I'll open a totally new one in Petalburg with my son as Gym Leader."

The remaining loose thread(s) are the Frontier Brains, who we know are all the first in their positions because Scott recruited them all for the Battle Frontier he just opened. It would make sense for at least some of them to also have been prior Hoenn Gym Leaders. So, where? Who took over for them, and where?

And before anyone points out that the Battle Frontier opens after we become Champion, which has to be some time after all these people take their positions as Gym Leaders, remember that Frontier Brains were almost definitely involved in the design and construction of each of their Battle Frontier facilities, so they are actually likely to have left their previous posts quite some time ago. Hell, I'd even say that given that Scott isn't a trainer, he probably recruited all the Brains before laying a single brick down for the Battle Frontier so they could be involved from the beginning. The Battle Frontier has to have taken a few years to build, so that's at least a few years before the games' events when whichever Brains were Hoenn Gym Leaders before being Brains would've left their Gyms to work with Scott on designing and building the Battle Frontier full-time.

• Flannery's the obvious immediate choice -- Maybe her grandpa was even Lavaridge Gym Leader before E4, so she could've taken over for her grandpa's successor who is now a Frontier Brain.

• My above theory also establishes a pretty recent timeline for Roxanne to have taken over Rustboro's Gym, so I'd argue a current Frontier Brain was likely the previous Leader there, too.

• We already know Juan was Sootopolis Gym Leader before Wallace, so that's 100% out.

• Tate and Liza are fucking children so they're essentially guaranteed to be new at Mossdeep Gym. It could even add context to Steven choosing to live in Mossdeep because if he was a child Gym Leader in Petalburg he'll be uniquely situated to support Tate and Liza, who by the way, also come from rich parents (their Dad is Director of the Space Center).

• Wattson is older and very well-established in Mauville; The way he acts and folks treat him it's clear he's viewed as a leader of the community. Dude's probably been Gym Leader a long time -- I'll rule him out.

• That leaves Brawly and Winona. I'm disinclined to think both of them are also new, but I think one of them could be. Winona we don't have a clear age on but she could have been Gym Leader a solid chunk of time now. Brawly's young though, and even known to have studied with Bruno of Kanto, which puts him away from Hoenn for at least some of his life. He has probably not been around long, either.

That makes Flannery, Roxanne, Tate and Liza, and Brawly all folks who potentially took over for Trainers who became Frontier Brains! Question now is... who took over for who 🧐🧐

• I think Dome Ace Tucker is a strong candidate for a Frontier Brain who came from a region different from Hoenn. He's a narcissistic actor who loves his crowd; None of Hoenn's Gyms are all that flashy, neither is Hoenn's E4, plus the Hoenn Region in general doesn't seem like the best place to make a name for oneself if what you want is to be ultra famous -- Half the towns are weird as shit. You ever consider how inconvenient it is to visit people who literally live on an island like Dewford or Mossdeep? -- Add to that the even weirder situations of Sootopolis or Fortree; Hoenn's just not a great place to make a name for yourself. Half the cities are pretty isolated and kind of hard to get to, and in general it's hard to get around the whole region. Nah, Tucker's from somewhere else -- Gut says Unova, even if only just because of the movie studio there.

• Pyramid King Brandon is another Frontier Brain who probably isn't a former member of the Hoenn League (Gym Leader or E4). He's the only NPC across all the games for whom all his Pokémon are legendaries. Bro is an uber spammer, and he worked with TV Mauville to produce shows in Kalos, Sinnoh, and Johto. Only being known to have/use legendaries already essentially disqualifies him from having been a Gym Leader not just in Hoenn but anywhere, but add to that that he produced TV shows in multiple different regions for years and you really get a life incompatible with what being a Gym Leader demands of a person. They're community leaders, like Wattson. Nah, no way Brandon was in the Hoenn League before becoming a Frontier Brain.

• Finally, I don't think Salon Maiden Anabel can have been in the Hoenn League if for nothing else than because she is literally described as a "mysterious trainer." She wouldn't be mysterious to Hoenn residents if they knew her already as a Gym Leader. Nah, Anabel's not from Hoenn, either.

That leaves Noland, Spenser, Greta, and Lucy.

• Greta's a martial artist who specializes in Fighting-type Pokémon and the anime literally identifies Brawly as a role model of hers. Her being the previous Gym Leader in Dewford, down to the same Pokémon type, is practically a gimme.

• This starts to be a bit of a stretch but I think Roxanne took over for Factory Head Noland. He gives out the Knowledge Symbol and is all about strategy -- That screams "Trainer's School" to me, which is in Rustboro and which Roxanne is closely affiliated with. She even gives the Trainer's School as a primary reason for wanting to take over as Gym Leader -- to have a chance to truly apply everything she learned there.

• I think Spenser is a little different. He's much older, which suggests a longer career as a Trainer (which would generally mean more accomplishments), and he does seem particularly close and in tune with his Pokémon. I peg him not as a former Hoenn Gym Leader (or, well, not only, but at that point that's probably too far back to know), but a former Hoenn E4. With how zen he is I'd come right out and say he's Flannery's grandpa and he started off as Lavaridge Gym Leader before her predecessor, but the hot springs-zen attitude connection is way too loose and nothing in canon supports it anyways (that I can tell). So, no, he was another recent E4 departure -- Perhaps even more recent than Flannery's grandfather. Looking at the E4, I've addressed Drake already, Glacia seems middle-aged at the earliest and has likely been there some time, and Sidney... I'll be honest I can't tell what the fuck is going on with him, he could be 20 or 50, I don't know, so I'm ignoring Sidney. But Phoebe, Phoebe seems young, and she has ties to Hoenn -- That's her grandma atop Mt. Pyre. I think Spenser left the E4 for the Battle Frontier, so Phoebe took over for him... and Tate & Liza took over for her in Mossdeep. Phoebe specializes in Ghost-type Pokémon, which are most similar to Psychic-types; Her outfit seems rather islander-y though that's... thin at best; And, Mossdeep is probably the closest Gym to Mt. Pyre and/or Lilycove, where her family could likely be if her grandma is a Mt. Pyre lady and what with most of her Pokémon being native to the route between Mt. Pyre and Lilycove.

That leaves Lavaridge Gym Leader Flannery, and Pike Queen Lucy. Gonna be honest; I've got nothing there. Entirely possible Lucy is also from elsewhere, and/or that Flannery's predecessor went to a different region. But hey! This is still crazy! Please tell me if I'm missing any glaring plot points that nullify any part of this, or any other reason in general. Hope you enjoyed and have a magnificent upcoming weekend :D

We know that at the beginning of RSE/ORAS, that Norman and the player character just moved to Hoenn. This begs the question of: Who was the gym leader that Norman replaced when he moved back to Hoenn?

Most people in galar and paldea have a rotom phone, which literaly is traping a rotom inside a phone to make it work, but what kind of company would do that?

You enslave a pokemon for all its utility span only to fly arround you and take photos and everyone is ok with that? Like that is borderline warhammer 40k servitors levels of metal,

tho you could argue its a mutualistic relationship since rotom gets food and real state but its still wild

So, we learned in Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire that Archie and Maxie did used to be on the same team, so it got me thinking.

Obviously, they both wanted to shape the world. Working together, they might have wanted to fully split the world into a half land/half water "utopia," or at least mostly half/half, as thats the only goal I can see them agreeing on.

A lot of people like to say Team Delta, which is them trying to get Rayquaza.
But Rayquaza, kinda sucks? He can stop Groudon/Kyogre, but can't... help them at all with anything resembling their goals.

I propose that they were on the hunt for another Legendary, one that technically didn't even exist when Ruby/Sapphire came out, but still has its ties to Hoenn.

Team Gaia, where Archie and Maxie tried to uncover the secrets of Regigigas to reshape the world.

With a shiny 10% Zygarde appearing in the anime and Rayquaza, a pokémon with a mega evolution, being a big plot point I'm sure it will be tied to Legends Z-A but I also think they may use Terapagos for time travelling, because of the DLC we know Terapagos does have some powers that either travel through time or realities, I like to imagine that in that case it was a different timeline, but in the past of that timeline(basically, that timeline is in the same point of the story that our is, but we took a peak at it's past instead)

At some point, Liko and co. will probably accidentally go to the past because of Terapagos, since terapagos is with Liko all of the time it's not unlikely time travel shenanigans will ensue in the time travel region, Dot and Roy are also likely to come, because you can't take away too many main characters at once.

They're gonna arrive in Kalos, and find Serena's counterpart from the game with the core Zygarde(which NEEDS to be called Squishy please please), and have a little arc about the Lumiose Renewal and trying to get back home

(ok images arent allowed here so please accept this humble transcription in case you need it and a link to the actual slides in order if you dont want to read the transcription https://www.reddit.com/user/Zorubark/comments/1eltig4/why_i_think_necrozma_or_at_least_some_alolan/ )

Hello, I think the UBs will appear in Legends Z-A and while nothing is certain and we barely have information about it and it looks like I'm tweaking I'll bring you some cool especulation that makes sense

First, I must show you the connection between Lumiose city and Necrozma, the Prism Pokémon

Lumiose City is the city of light, and it's most important landmark is the Prism Tower, that's pretty self explanatory, they're both Prisms with a light theme

In Necrozma's dex entries, it talks a lot about how it needs light to survive and how it goes on rampages for light and how it devours Lunala's and Solgaleo's light, iit would make sense that it would try to devour Lumiose's light, the city infamous for it's blackouts

That paragraph that mentions it's light affecting nature is also a bit suspicious considering Zygarde protects the ecosystem and nature

In Legends Arceus, legendaries from the generation that came right after the original gen the game is based on(Gen 4), appeared with relevance, even if post-game. Gen 7 not only had Zygarde lore, but is also the next generation after X and Y. I think maybe they'll use the Ultra Beasts as a way to finally explain why the hell Zygarde was in Alola, yeah, Pokémon Z got scrapped that's the main reason, and Alola's ecosystem was threatned by Ultra Beasts coming but so was Paldea's and Zygarde has nothing to do with Paldea and wasn't there, a reason could be that Zygarde has fought with the UBs in Kalos before and is in Alola because it's tracking an old enemy of theirs.

And the reason why Necrozma would be in PLZA is to steal the light from the recently redeveloped Lumiose

The phenomenon of Totem Pokémon is also said to have been caused by being bathed in the energy spilled from Ultra Wormholes, specifically that glowing aura they have and their larger size, it's possible that instead of Alpha Pokémon we may have Totems or something similar to totems but with another name to fit Kalos better.

And the boss fights, instead of Noble Pokémon, could in my opinion be Ultra Beasts or Mega Pokémon, but having Mega Pokémon without a trainer doesn't fit the lore, so Ultra Beasts feel more likely in my mind, at least. Wild Megas don't fit the current lore because Mega Evolution requires a bond with a trainer.

Necrozma could steal Lumiose's light and Zygarde comes into play to stop it's light from affecting the ecosystem

Maybe the player will partner up with Zygarde kinda like how you in a way partner up with Arceus to help with the timespace anomalies and Volo, but instead of Arceus just dropping you, Zygarde could be with you in your journey, but as the core, and along the game you get more cells and get 10% Zygarde, eventually 50%, and in the end 100%. Since Zygarde isn't a deity with it's own realm to chill in while you do it's bidding.

But there's also a chance that the plot will include Zygarde disapproving of the renovation because it affects nature and the wild pokémon in Lumiose.

A crazier idea: Necrozma uses Xernea's or Yveltal's infinity energy

I think that's less probable but interesting

I think we're getting Mega Xerneas and Mega Yveltal

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so i have a new theory not sure if this has been thought of before but what if the pokemon anime is an in verse tv show the the true cannon universe is the games. I feel like this theory holds more weight then both the ho-oh wish theory and the coma theory. The ho-oh wish theory has a lot of flaws like no one realizing he always 10 years old and many others. The ash in a coma theory holds together a lot better though and there are minimal to no flaws except one.

How everything looks you see if it was indeed a coma induced dream there shouldn't be such drastic changes in how things look and you can see this is consistent where there aren't a lot of changes but there are some that are just to large in my books like how pikachu went from a fat little dude to skinny for every other season of the anime. If there was a discrepancy like this it should fluctuate where pikachu is sometimes fat and sometimes skinny but it should either fluctuate randomly or be a constant of one state or the other but he is only fat once.

The other thing adding to this theory is the "art" now you could say that this is just a change in art style or the artists getting better and while some of that is true there are minute and drastic changes in how ash and the rest of the cast of repeating characters look and the reason for that is cause once an actor out grows the age of the characters they have to be replaced leading from minute changes to drastic ones like what we see in gen 1 pikachu and ash vs alola pikachu and ash.

This could also explain why we never see ash's father because it has been theorized that ash's father is red but he refused in them using his likeness for their tv show and so they can only ever elude to who his father is. There is also no way that ash really experienced all those world breaking events always being in the right place at the right time.

Even if it was a coma some of those events are just so mindboggling that i don't think a brain in a coma could come up with something like that like team galactic controlling primordial gods dialga and palkia to wink out all of existence.

So when I was a little girl I watched a lot of poketube mostly rumors and speculation on pokemon stars/pokemon ultra sun and ultra moon though I would also watch some pokemon theories and one question that came up frequently was why ash didn't age this lead to me forming my own headcannon that ash is a robot that I had for.years nowi cant rember if i saw the lore keeper's April fools theory before or after hearing about the ash is a clone one but that video was a big instigator though before that I would scrounge through smaller theories to see how many people think the same thing as me but anyone wrong story short since I held on to that headcannon for so long it is now a plot point in my anipoke rewrite and I was wondering since this is the better place to talk about outlandish theories I was wondering what you would think of my idea and if you have anything you wanna see from my idea I really wanna chat about it

Generation 2 features Pokémon Gold and Silver, starring the tower duo Ho-oh and Lugia. And as an enhanced version, we see Pokémon Crystal starring... Suicune? Suicune is supposed to be under rule of Ho-oh. Not above it.

The Tower Duo features Lugia, the leader of Kanto's side-legendary trio: The Legendary Birds. And also Ho-oh, the leader of Johto's side legendary trio: The Legendary Beasts. What comes after Johto? Hoenn. And therefore the 3rd legendary of the Tower Trio should be the leader of Hoenn's side legendary trio: The Titan Trio. Who just so happens to be Regigigas.

And why does Regigigas not appear in Johto and instead appears 2 regions away from it? It's ability slow start meant Regigigas wasn't able to arrive there in time for Pokémon Crystal, and Suicune had to take it's place as Johto's third legendary.

"And Arceus Looked upon the world it made; and saw it was good." -Pokornithians 1:4 or something I dunno.

I am of the personal belief that there is a strange connection between Arceus and Eevee, not unlike that of Ditto and Mew. I'll just lay my evidence out, and let you draw your own conclusions. Add your own evidence if you wish. I really want to fuel this thread pulling machine that is my headcanon. The evidence isn't amazing, but it's what I got.

Type changing: Eevee evolves into different typed forms using items. Specifically different elemental stones. Arceus changes its type using different items. Specifically Stone Plates.

Vee: In the manga, there was an Eevee called "Vee" who (albiet, due to genetic tampering) could evolve and devolve, at will, without needing the stones. I'd attach a image, but I can't.

And Minor Evidence:

Eevee's Shiny is Silver, similar to Arceus's Main body.

We have never seen Eevee's Normal type Evolution. What could Gamefreak be hiding from us? Could it be possible Eevee is a Juvenile Arceus?

And defense for this theory:

A. Just because eevee was added in a prior gen, doesn't make this theory (Type:)Null and Void. The Pokemon Company likes to Retcon things quite a bit. Baby Pre-evolutions, Conflicting Pokedex Entries (See Electabuzz) and so much more.

B. It may say Eevee changes due to unstable DNA, but the Pokedex LIES. Do you actually take it for gospel? It is a false prophet, because it's being bought off by Team Rocket. Also, See Electabuzz. Or the Pokemon Heights.

Yeah. All I have. I'll edit this with any evidence you bring to my attention. Thanks.

-Q.

My theory is that all the people and Pokemon In surges gym were part of his platoon and surge got the Gym due to contributing

I got to thinking about this because in Pokemon go you can turn your Pokemon into candy but the ball should still be used unless it gets turned into candy as well. Then what about Pokemon you missed the throw on or things that have escaped the ball? Is the world full of empty or broken pokeballs

In the gen 1 Kanto games, there are zero dark types available in the game. As we know, Mewtwo was Team Rockets project to create a super weapon and is a psychic type.

The only type that would be immune to Mewtwos powerful psychic powers would be dark types, so to ensure their power would go unchecked, team rocket either killed off, or captured the vast majority of Kanto's dark types to prevent any kinks in their Mewtwo plan.

The evidence for this, is that we KNOW Kanto has at least 2 native dark types: Murkrow, and houndour. They are not Johto native pokemon.

When team rocket is defeated in the gen 1 remakes, we find their Admins hiding out on the sevii islands, at a warehouse likely full of these dark type pokemon.

By gen 2, they have been re-released into the wild which is why we see then again.

And furthermore, those same Rocket admins from the sevii warehouse show back up in gen 2, and who are their ace pokemon? Murkrow and Houndour.

As the title says really.

Basically was watching polymaker_figurines on insta (check it out if you’re into 3D printing), and they’ve just printed a Magnamite, well with the giant eye in a steel body it bares a similar resemblance to that of the Unknown.

What if Unknown has been around since Gen 1, but nobody has actually realised it. They are both genderless to start, and whilst they aren’t the same typing maybe adding some “logic” could help.

Unknown being psychic could have helped with their “evolution” into Magnemite. As life in the Pokémon world evolved with technology, what if the Unknown’s psychic powers slowly evolved into technomancy. Meaning over time the Unknown lost the psychic powers, gaining a steel body, and transformed into the electrical typing that we have today.

When evolving into Magneton, what if it’s their latent psychic powers kicking in, when attracting to 2 other Magnemite to become Magneton.

Sorry if this post seems a little all over the place, I’m quite literally thinking harder about it as I type it.

Evidence is as follows:

He doesn't seem to age. He aged to an extent due to his human side, but when we see pokemon that show visible age, it's usually to stress that they are ancient for their species.

Ability to use aura. I mean, that's doing the groundwork for aura sphere itself.

Immense strength that doesn't match to the physical limits of his physique for humans. His climbing is also very impressive.

And when Pokémon breed, doesn't the baby have the same species as the mother?

This theory came as a result of when you move from Paldea to Kitakami or Bluebery Academy, or vice versa you see a Dragonite next to the plane. Now while it might just be a wild Dragonite the fact that you see one everytime you do so would indicate that either there is a lot more wild Dragonite flying around or more logically that this Dragonite is used by airlines to protect the plane from being attacked by aggressive flying Pokemon. This would make sense as Dragonite is a powerful Pokemon being a pseudo-legendary with a good typing in Dragon and great coverage moves. It would also make sense in the Pokemon world that planes would need some form of protection given the dangers that wild Pokemon can pose (see Tinkaton vs Corviknight, and what is a plane but just a big Corviknight).

Abyssal ruins

Have you guys found some interesting theoryes regarding those ruins? It's probably the single location in unova that interests me the most.

Also i find interesting how they were used in the same time period of the relic castle, a place that was clearly meant to be protected (the darmanitans and the sigylyph indicate so) but was ultimately destroyed (and probably a lot of people were killed there, since there seems to be a lot of yamasks). Could this be a sign that the two castles were the place in which the two brothers of the legend resided, before the war destroyed them? Or maybe the relic castle was destroyed by AZ with the ultimate weapon, and the abyssal ruins are completely untied to it?

An interesting theory I heard recently is that Naganadel was originally going to have 151 base speed, but was changed to 121 sometime during USUM's development for being too strong. Naganadel's 121 speed is the only Ultra Beast stat to not be a prime number, however, 151 is a prime number. Not only that, with 151 base speed, Naganadel would have a base stat total of 570, just like the other Ultra Beasts.

!Potential minor spoilers for Pokemon Horizons below!

After watching the latest episode of Pokemon Horizons, I have a theory that perhaps the 10th generation of Pokemon will take place in the Rakua (Laqua?) region. If this is true, Liko and Roy's adventure will last much longer than I thought, because the plot is now firmly focused towards Terapagos, which is evidently linked to the history of the Paldea region.

I also think that Diancie is indeed related to Rakurium and Pokemon Legends Z-A (the rose in the game's logo), which could also suggest that the story of Terapagos will still be developed in the next game and perhaps some longer series arcs that would be related to Legends Z-A.

However, if Rakua is a 10th-generation region, then the Pokemon Horizons storyline should still be pulled for years to come. Frankly, I like this development, which also comports well with possible marketing for further games. Some sort of loose plot connection between the games from the 9th generation onward might further encourage people to buy future games.

We all know that a Lapras appears at the bottom of Union Cave every Friday, but how did it get there? Does it live with a pack or is it alone? What exactly is in the depths where it appears? Does anyone know more about all this?

It's rather ironic how I never gave Porygon-Z much attention considering how much I like it. I always brushed off the two more popular ideas that it was created by Team Galactic or the Aether Foundation as surface level theories, which to be fair, most of the people suggesting it tend to do so with that kind of evidence.

These groups are highly advanced and technologically impressive organizations, the idea that they were responsible for the glitchy mess that is Porygon-Z didn't make much sense. Plus, since Porygon-Z's first chronological appearance was either in Team Dim Sun's base in Shadows of Almia, or even earlier prior to ORAS in the other timeline, that only made me more convinced Porygon-Z was created by some random nobody on the black market, which subsequently spread around the various regions and evil teams.

But finally giving Porygon-Z the time of the day has made me realize that's pretty unlikely, while it being created by the Aether Foundation is actually extremely plausible. I'm not the first person to suggest that Faba in particular was responsible for its creation, but there is some evidence I haven't seen people bring up yet.

Starting with the basics, while the Pokedex isn't the most reliable source of information, it does heavily suggest the person who created Porygon-Z wasn't some random nobody.

Platinum: "Its programming was modified to enable work in alien dimensions. It did not work as planned."

Moon: "Its program was modified to facilitate extra-dimensional activities, but that led to noticeably strange behavior."

Ultra Sun: "Its behavior is noticeably unstable, which is apparently due to the incompetence of the engineer who updated its programming."

Alien dimensions obviously brings Ultra Space to mind, but there's more than just vague similarities suggesting someone at Aether was responsible. When the idea of alternate realities is brought up by Zinnia in ORAS, Professor Cozmo doesn't exactly agree with her idea.

"What kind of fool you are! You have no substantive proof, and yet you claim another world, one just like our own, exists? Out of this fantasy, you--you have destroyed our only hope!"

If even highly knowledgeable people like Professor Cozmo, who's worked on a device called the dimensional shifter, don't believe alternate realities exist, most people in the Pokemon world probably share his sentiment of them being mere fantasy...except for the people who know the truth.

While the specifics aren't entirely clear, we do know that at the very least, some members of the International Police knew about Ultra Space and how Fallers worked a decade before the events of Alola.

Looker: "It is something that happened about 10 years ago now... I came to the Alola region at that time as part of a three-person team to eradicate a UB... Of course we did not know them as UBs back then. It was simply a dangerous creature. My team succeeded in chasing down the UB. And then we tried to put an end to it..."

(...)

Nanu: "She was just bait for the UB..."

Looker: "And the International Police knew it... The UBs relentlessly seek out those who have passed through an Ultra Wormhole."

There's also a pretty good chance the Aether Foundation had at least some knowledge of them at this point too, since not only do they work closely with the International Police during SM, but the general public of Alola is vaguely aware of Ultra Wormholes via old legends and extremely rare sightings, even if most people may not believe they're actually real.

Burnet: "Then you've got to mean...the Ultra Wormhole! It's extremely rare, but sometimes a hole opens in the sky over Alola. It appears that this rift leads to a different and unknown dimension. The reason that people think there may be a mysterious dimension is because of the legends of fearsome Pokemon appearing from the Ultra Wormhole."

It'd certainly fit if Porygon-Z was created by Aether, and not just because of its ability to work in alien dimensions, but for its many qualities that'd make it an effective Beast Killer like Silvally. For starters, we know Porygon-Z's firepower is greatly enhanced compared to Porygon2, which would obviously make it more effective at fighting unknown lifeforms.

Legends Pokedex Entry: "A curious item induced this evolution. The Pokémon's offensive capabilities have greatly increased, but the strangeness of its behavior has magnified in equal measure. This worries me."

Additionally, the Porygon line's signature moves, Conversion and Conversion 2, are reminiscent of Silvally's RKS System, as they allow Porygon-Z to change its type mid-battle and effectively counter the opponent. On top of that, while the original Porygon and Porygon2 had Trace as a potential ability, Porygon-Z gained Adaptability instead, which places an even bigger focus on its type changing capabilities.

Its other ability, Download, would also be pretty useful for dealing with unknown enemies, as it analyzes opponents on the spot and adjusts Porygon-Z's power accordingly. Quite something how many useful Beast Killer-like traits Porygon-Z possesses.

But if Aether was responsible for Porygon-Z, that ultimately goes back to our previously mentioned problem. This is a successful organization with advanced technology, it just doesn't fit that they were responsible for Porygon-Z. Given how secretive Ultra Beast research is in the modern day, that'd throw a wrench in the idea that some random low-level employee invented it. Aether, especially the more skilled higher-ups who'd know of Ultra Space, is too perfect to have made a mess like Porygon-Z.

Except...Aether's not perfect. They have one major failure, the Beast Killer Project. A powerful artificial Pokemon that was meant to possess an incredibly unique ability, but the project failed, with this ability not working, as the Pokemon began acting erratically. Sounds rather familiar.

We don't know the entire team behind the Beast Killer Project, but we do know one member: Faba, and he's quite the candidate for being that incompetent engineer behind Porygon-Z.

"Currently I am working on the development of a special sort of ball, which I took over from my predecessor, in parallel with another project."

At first glance, Faba doesn't seem that incompetent. There is the somewhat iconic moment where he tries to ambush the player, Hau, and Gladion, only for it to be pointed out he shouldn't have done that.

Hau: "So, uh, Mr. Faba, do you have the key to the president's rooms?"

Faba: "Indeed! I have it right here."

Hau: (laughs) "So...if you'd just stayed hidden, we would've been stuck here anyway, right?"

(pause)

Faba: "What?!"

But it's just one moment, it's not like he's constantly fumbling and messing up. He is helping Lusamine on their various Ultra Space related projects, after all, right?

Well, we know he worked on Beast Balls and Silvally to some extent, but when Hau questions him about the experiments going on in Aether's secret labs, he shrugs and says:

(OG): "Well...if you must know... I've heard experiments are held down there. Experiments aiming to tear the very boundaries of the world apart."

(USUM): "Experiments to reach a world different from Alola... That's what I've been told, yes."

He's just "heard about it". You'd think he'd take the chance to gloat about how mere children couldn't hope to understand such a concept, but he doesn't. At the very least, you'd expect him to brag about the projects he has worked on, but he doesn't do that either. We know Gladion stole a Null at least two years ago...

Gladion: "...Everything looks the same. I guess it's only been two years, though."

And who knows how many years before that the Beast Killer Project was actively being worked on. Given Faba's character, you'd assume he'd attempt to avoid any type of work no matter what, suggesting his work on Beast Balls and Silvally was a direct order from Lusamine. Because of that, it's a bit strange he seemingly hasn't been given any new work in years, especially with the heavy Ultra Space research in the modern day.

Perhaps after screwing up at least two projects related to Ultra Space, Lusamine figured it'd be best to keep Faba away from directly working on any other UB-related experiments, given the high chance of him messing up yet again. Speaking of those failed projects, as we briefly touched on earlier, the Beast Killer Project does provide more potential implications that Faba has a history of screwing up.

"BKP Development Record #11

Dummy test of the RKS System program has been completed. Type has been successfully altered with all 18 special memories. The transplantation of the RKS System program to the models is underway. The BK's official name has been set as Type: Full."

(...)

"BKP Development Record #18

Production of three models has been completed. They are identified as serial number 01, serial number 02, and serial number 03. All three models rejected the RKS System upon initialization during testing. Shortly after these initialization errors, all three models of Type: Full went berserk."

(...)

"BKP Development Record #44

Models have been fitted with control masks to mitigate the effects of their rejection of the RKS System. Due to the implementation of these control masks, our RKS System initialization tests have failed. All three models of Type: Full are to be cryogenically frozen for the rest of eternity. The name of these models has been changed from Type: Full to Type: Null."

The Beast Killer project was going smoothly, but out of nowhere, the Pokemon went berserk. They ended up fitted with special masks to help control them, which as we learn from Faba's blog, were conveniently created by him just before this happened.

"I once ventured to undertake a project without notifying my superior. I developed a device to restrain a dangerous life form, in case it became necessary to do so. I had it made for hedging risks to protect myself, but for better or worse, it was made public. It is always essential to consider the risks before one takes action."

(...)

"My superior's family stole the results of our research and ran off. However, I have chosen to never blow this issue out of proportion. I will only be reprimanded for my own mistakes, and surely my superior is also displeased with the actions of her family as well. When necessary, one must always be prepared to massage the truth to protect one's own position. It is not an exaggeration to say that this skill is vital for success."

Faba's behaviour in these blogs doesn't make much sense. One would assume that given his character, he'd completely disregard the mask idea, since he's obviously too great and important for failure to even be a possibility. Not only that, he decides against reporting Gladion's theft of a Null because he'd "only be reprimanded for his own mistakes". What mistakes? Sure, he made the control masks without notifying anyone, but that ultimately ended up working out perfectly; there wouldn't be much to get upset about.

Perhaps then, Faba was ultimately responsible for the Beast Killer Project failing. Maybe he knew from a past experience there was a decent chance he'd screw up and cause the entities to act erratically, which made him preemptively create the control masks to protect himself, especially when working with Pokemon far more powerful than Porygon-Z. Ultimately, his prediction ended up being accurate, as his incompetency caused the Pokemon to go berserk; if he reported Gladion stealing one of them, Lusamine would instantly find out he messed up the project, causing him to lose his precious position.

Even his control masks though, didn't completely work, since we know that Type: Null still sometimes acts erratically and lashes out.

Wicke: "Even sheltered little Master Gladion tried to patch up his own clothing, he said, when his partner Null tore them..."

Although it's likely a coincidence, there is another small detail about these masks. With its power restrained by the mask, Type: Null's base stat total comes to 534. Meanwhile, Porygon-Z's is 535, literally one point higher. Perhaps Faba designed the mask to bring Null's power down to just under Porygon-Z's, since he knew that was a power level he could handle. Just like Porygon-Z, it didn't remove all of Null's odd behaviour, but it did the job to make it somewhat manageable.

Given how Porygon-Z turned out, Faba wouldn't be very keen to let people know he created it, but he may still have some sort of pride about it. Maybe the reason he gives the player a Dubious Disc to earn goodwill with them in the postgame is because he's still somewhat proud of it...and because it's one of the few things he still has access to after being demoted.

Perhaps back when the foundation began doing their initial research into Ultra Space, Faba rushed off to create something that would impress his superiors and earn him a promotion. Basing it on the type changing Porygon, he created an upgraded version of Porygon2 that could traverse alien dimensions, while enhancing its firepower to make it as effective as possible at fighting off any kind of threat. Ultimately, it failed, and Porygon3 became Porygon-Z, but perhaps because research into Ultra Space was still so new, his failure was attributed to that more than his own incompetence.

Faba knew why it really failed though; Porygon-Z was a wake-up call. Instead of improving himself though, he decided to take the easy route, doing as little as possible and making sure everyone knew how important he was to the foundation. Ultimately, this charade paid off, with him eventually being promoted all the way up to Branch Chief. Perhaps because of his prior experience with Porygon-Z, he was eventually put onto the Beast Killer Project under the assumption he'd since improved. Instead, doing what he's best at, Faba screwed the project up in spectacular fashion, but managed to sweep it under the rug with a story of the Pokemon going berserk due to issues with the RKS System while he saved the day with his shoddy control masks. As long as Lusamine doesn't find out the truth, there's nothing to worry about.

He doesn't care what happens to the foundation or its project, he doesn't care what means he uses, all Faba cares for is advancing his career, even if it means resorting to actual crime.

Faba: "If Team Rainbow Rocket takes over Aether Paradise, the organization will grow far beyond where we are today...and more Pokemon will be saved! ...And if I can assist it in doing so, no doubt my career will also reach new heights! Such a wonderful thought, wouldn't you agree?"

"Yes, you guess correctly! I have taken it upon myself to facilitate Team Rainbow Rocket's take-over and ensure everything goes smoothly!"

Spin offs dont count

Hey!
it is a longtime ago, that i played Pokemon B/W/B2/W2 and I thought about the Unova war that happend between the 2 brothers a couple thousand years ago. Did it really happen? Is there any prove for that? I just know, that in the Victini Movie it was clearly stated, that a war between the truth vs ideal brothers happend, but is there any evidence, that clearly shows, that a war happend ingame (B/W/B2/W2)? The old man in Mistralton Cave talked about a war, but not explicit about the truth vs ideal war. We know that Zekrom, Reshiram & Kyurem were once in the past, nevertheless i don't remember that they fought each other in the past. I just remember, that they split up and supported the twin heros by building unova with them. I watched many Lore videos and a couple stated, that there was a war between the twin heros and that stuck with me, cause i don't remember it. Yeah, that is everything i know & could find in the internet hahah

It's a common saying that legendaries don't feel as special as they once did. I don't fully agree with this sentiment, but I can understand some of the reasoning behind it. In older titles, when previous legendaries reappeared, the developers often went out of their way to create entire areas tying them to the newest region for their presence to make sense. This still sometimes happens, such as with the Galarian Regis, but for the most part, legendaries these days are usually brushed off with a generic excuse like Ultra Wormholes or Hoopa rings.

Most of these explanations are pretty straightforward by themselves, if not sometimes lacking a solid reason for occurring, like why Hoopa was dropping legendaries all over Hoenn. However, there's a few that don't seem to have much of a straightforward explanation in the first place.

Ramanas Park of BDSP is one of these excuses. In the location that was previously Pal Park, a handful of caves popped up. If the player obtains specific slates and inserts them into pedestals held within these caves, they'll be transported to one of two unique locations, where a legendary Pokemon patiently waits.

But...what is any of this stuff? What are these caves? The pedestals, slates, and weird areas? Not to mention the Pokemon themselves; were they created by this process or possibly brought there through time and space? How else would they suddenly appear? Nothing seems to have a clear explanation.

That's not to say we don't get anything, as we can actually learn a bit about how some parts of Ramanas work. For instance, these Pokemon aren't the result of reality distortions.

Oak: "Ramanas Park has a special system that attracts every imaginable kind of Pokemon from every region. I've come to make certain that system is operating properly."

(...)

"This place has a special connection with regions around the world, such as Kanto and Hoenn! It's also connected to the Grand Underground. Exploring down there might reveal new treasures."

Lady (Ramanas Park): "Ramanas Park... It's a quiet paradise that draws you closer to Pokemon that come from faraway lands. I especially look forward to seeing Pokemon from Kanto and Hoenn, but it tugs at my heartstrings to know they're so far away from home."

That answers one question, but leaves us with another: how exactly are these Pokemon being attracted to the park? For that, we actually have a pretty straightforward answer: Ramanas Roses.

Child (Ramanas Park): "The smell of Ramanas roses isn't the only selling point here--the people and Pokemon drawn from all over are spectacles in and of themselves, and those intriguing, enigmatic caves fill me with excitement!"

Worker (Ramanas Park): "This place is a tourist attraction that's famous for the Ramanas roses blooming all over. It's also where top-notch Trainers gather from many different regions. You might say Ramanas roses attract those who are strong--now that's what I call flower power!"

Worker (Ramanas Park): "You might be one of the powerful people attracted by the Ramanas roses."

But this would only answer part of our question. If Ramanas Roses attract the strong, the park should be filled with powerful trainers and Pokemon, yet aside from the specifically summoned legendaries, it's completely empty. There must be a system in place to only attract specific Pokemon when the right conditions are met.

Of course, that's where the slates come in. Somehow, these game cartridges very mysterious items combined with the pedestals serve as this system using, as the various slates themselves are described, an "enigmatic energy". Well, that's vague.

Not only that, but following this hint only seems to end in a paradox. In order to obtain these slates, the player has to trade for them at the park's front desk using items known as Mysterious Shards, which are described as:

"A small / large shard that emanates an enigmatic power. Inside the shard, you can see a pattern that looks like Ramanas roses."

This enigmatic power seems implied to be the same force that causes Ramanas Roses to attract the strong. But...that makes no sense, if it was just that, then as mentioned, any random strong trainer or Pokemon should be drawn to the park, not necessarily one very specific legendary.

Perhaps then, it's not the exact same power, but at the very least, may be related. Mysterious Shards can be found in the Grand Underground, which as Oak told us earlier, is an area connected to Ramanas Park. Maybe there're other clues down there.

It doesn't take long for us to find one in the form of statues. At first glance, they may seem completely unrelated, just some meaningless decorations to fancy up your secret base, but as I'm sure many are aware of, these statues have special abilities. Placing them down influences the Pokemon that appear in the various hideaways.

It's not the exact same, but it's somewhat familiar to the system at Ramanas Park, placing down a specific item in a certain area to attract a specific type of Pokemon. Hell, there's more than just vague similarities tying these two together, as the people at Ramanas Park themselves directly give the player some of these statues after catching legendaries there, possibly implying they created these specific statues themselves.

"What amazing Pokemon you've caught! I'll give you statues that look just like them!"

"These are rare statues only available at Ramanas Park. Please put them up in your Secret Base in the Grand Underground."

Working off these statues, we actually get another big implication. Within the player's underground base, there's an orb near the front entrance, and it changes color to reflect the most dominant type among the statues decorating the area. For instance, if there's a statue of Charizard, Gyarados, and Crobat, the orb will glow to signify Flying is the most common type, and as a result, Flying-type Pokemon will be the most attracted to the underground.

This can only mean one thing: these statues contain type energy, or for anyone that's read some of my previous theories: Elemental Energy. If this force truly is another ingredient in how Ramanas Park functions, it'd certainly explain various aspects of how the overall system works. We know from my linked post that natural energy has a positive impact on Pokemon, and even beyond Groudon and Kyogre, tends to attract them rather quickly, as Birch tells us after the incident at Sootopolis. It'd match up quite well if these statues were also letting off elemental energy that the hideout orb uses to attract Pokemon into the underground wild areas.

Perhaps an even stronger version of this system is the basis for Ramanas Park. The various slates would be filled with the energy of Ramanas Roses, the power to attract the strong, as well as huge amounts of natural energy corresponding to the typing of the Pokemon in question. The pedestals evidently serve as some kind of beacon, letting the energy out and attracting the specific Pokemon. The whole process is further amplified by the cave itself, as like we discussed in the linked post, natural energy tends to match the environment, so a lava filled cave would contain large amounts of natural energy preferred by Groudon.

As was also discussed though, natural energy stems from type energy, which is actually the very power of creation used by Arceus to form the universe. If too much of this energy is focused in one place, there could be consequences, such as time and space beginning to distort. We've even seen examples of too much type energy doing this, notably with Terapagos. As it turns out, time and space distorting is indeed a potential risk at the park.

Woman (Ramanas Park): "I came all the way out here to see rare Pokemon, but this place has a weird atmosphere. I feel like I could lose my sense of time and space..."

With so much energy let off at once, this ultimately results in the creation of a small pocket dimension known as Pure Space, which resembles a brand-new world, being a beautiful, lush environment that appears completely untouched and undisturbed by anything, the kind of area you'd expect to be overflowing with elemental energy, the basis of life. It's not clear if Pure Space was intentional by the people behind Ramanas Park, but at the very least, there is another space that clearly wasn't.

For the more powerful legendaries, players will find themselves in Strange Space, an area resembling the Distortion World. Despite its appearance, this location is an entirely separate area, as bringing a Giratina here won't cause it to assume its Origin Forme.

These two worlds aren't completely unrelated though. Time and space, as we've seen, are the ingredients for a new world, while the Distortion World is a realm with distorted space and time. Given the legendaries found within Strange Space required far more elemental energy to summon, as their statues indicate, the power completely overflowed, causing time and space to go haywire and mangle the new world being created, resulting in Strange Space.

Given the Distortion World is largely completely unknown at this point in time, as Cynthia's attitude in Platinum indicates, Strange Space was evidently unintentional; this is further supported by Giratina being the only Ramanas Park legendary to lack a statue, as though the staff were unaware of its existence. It's possible the park's creators weren't even behind the creation of the Distortion Room entirely, especially with gravity flipping after completing the room.

Doesn't make much sense when they're the ones offering us the Distortion Slate; how would they know or be fine with giving it out when they evidently haven't even tested the Distortion Room? That's only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the confusion surrounding this room, as the Pokemon within causes even more questions, an entity people have come to refer to as "Shadow Giratina".

This creature functions identically to a regular Origin Forme Giratina, though it has a few particular oddities. The most notable, is of course, its much darker appearance than usual, hence the "Shadow" name people have given it. Secondly, in order for it to even appear, the player has to have captured the actual Giratina in Turnback Cave, which is rather odd, as the Sinnoh dragons are some of the few legendaries that seem to be unique entities. Third, this Giratina can't be captured; it's not elaborated as to why, if the player tries to throw a ball, the game will simply tell them they can't. Lastly, although Strange Space doesn't alter Giratina's form, this entity is somehow in its Origin Forme, despite not holding a Griseous Orb.

Nothing about this fight seems to make sense, especially not with the context of other Ramanas Park legendaries. Considering how the other fights work, this entity would be another Giratina that was lured in from somewhere...but we already own Giratina...and we can't catch this one. What exactly is this thing?

I'm gonna be honest, I still have no idea what Shadow Giratina is. I've looked things over dozens of times and just can't come up with a clear explanation as to what this creature is without it being pure speculation or making a few leaps. I'm sure there's something being overlooked, but I just can't place my finger on what. But, well, offering no explanation isn't exactly a satisfying conclusion, so, I may as well take that more speculative approach.

Slates associated with specific Pokemon that can be used to summon them isn't a brand-new concept, as we've seen a similar mechanic in Ranger: Guardian Signs. During the temple missions set in the distant past, there's a small chance that when the player captures a Pokemon, they'll drop something known as a Heart Slate, which can be used to summon the Pokemon in question and have them act as the player's partner.

Nelia: "What I can do is call a Pokemon using its Heart Slate. I guess you have no idea what a Heart Slate is. Heart Slates are a sign of trust between you and a Pokemon. It's a gesture from Pokemon saying they want to become your Partners. Wild Pokemon, as they bond with you, may drop them. Talk to me if you find one!"

How they function is a bit different compared to BDSP's slates, but they are quite similar. Applying this to BDSP could even serve to make a little more sense of the various encounters. Pokemon only drop Heart Slates when they want to become someone's partner, but what would happen if someone managed to get their hands on one without the Pokemon's consent and tried to use it? Perhaps what happens in BDSP, the Pokemon doesn't become the player's friend instantly, but offers them the chance to earn it by battling and catching them. After all, it's a bit unusual for Pokemon like Mewtwo to patiently wait for the player to interact with them, as opposed to instantly attacking like it does in XY and LGPE.

But with Giratina, things are a bit different. Instead of offering the player a chance to earn their friendship, the Distortion Room instead serves as a test to earn Giratina's true power through the Griseous Orb. Perhaps Shadow Giratina is none other than an illusion created by the real Giratina's power imbued within the Distortion Slate. Although it's a different canon, we have seen illusions that function identically to real Pokemon, such as the fake Giratina in Super Mystery Dungeon that's treated the same as a regular one by game mechanics. Shadow Giratina being an illusion would certainly explain why it can't be captured.

Although this is based on some evidence, using Guardian Signs and especially Mystery Dungeon is a huge leap away from BDSP, with the latter especially not being a very reliable source of information for the main series. As I mentioned though, with the complete lack of answers I was able to find otherwise, as well as other people in general from what I've gathered, there doesn't seem to be anything close to a clear explanation about this entity.

Still, even if Shadow Giratina remains a mystery, at the very least, Ramanas Park in general does have a decently plausible explanation behind how it works. The puzzle hasn't been completed yet, but perhaps that final piece will be found soon enough.