This is why despite being ten or eleven years old, children are able to travel long distances safely as well as heal their Pokemon for free (and buy other goods/services at a trivial rate).

When children reach adult age, they participate in the ruse and take pride in watching a new generation gain the confidence and life experiences on their own journeys as they had when they were younger.

Of course this depends on the world being essentially a utopia where nobody has any ill intentions towards anyone else.

Edit: Disclaimer -- I haven't played a Pokemon game since Gen II.

OK SO HEAR ME OUT, I don’t fully believe this theory, it’s just this weird thought that popped up in my head but what if, Eternatus is a species (which it most likely isn’t) which lives on another planet and Terapagos is its baby form, which evolves into it, they just have so many similarities

-both of them release powerful phenomena on large areas

-both of them are capable of manipulating infinity energy

-both have much larger forms with uncontrollable power

-both can force other pokemon to undergo their phenomena and control them

-both can create their own form of infinity energy

as for why Terapagos can type bend and Eternatus cant, it maybe because Eternatus sheds the type bending power in exchange for just raw, brute force power

I think the Giants are not any Legendaries or Mythicals we have seen, probably separate beings with higher powers than most legendaries, other than Arceus, since he managed to steal their powers, maybe Arceus is the Normal Giant? Though I doubt it, I think Normal is just the default power not tainted by other Types, Arceus is probably his own whole entity, it could be that the Original Spirit created The Giants aswell

crazier theory : what if Ultra Space is some sort of primordial world created by The Giants, but since they had no singular will it became chaotic and its creatures were extremely powerful.

Here we are for the second part of my Pokémon mythology analysis. in case you missed the first part, you can find it here. Today I'll continue the analysis of the cosmogonic myth starting from where I left it last time.

pmyth05

At one point, a large egg appeared at the center.

We see a return to the cosmic egg cosmogony, with the focus shifting again away from the earthly world. This myth seems like an expanded version of pmyth01/pmyth01.1 (notice that the file pmyth01 was lastly modified just after this) but with elements added from pmyth03/pmyth04:

In their boundless happiness, humans gradually forget their reverence for the gods, and their friendship with nature and Pokémon.

This version is also unique in that it introduces for the first time some notes in an appendix. For instance, related to

The scattered pieces of shell transformed into giants and attacked the newly born Aus one after another.

we find that:

Jung describes this as a symbol of the fear and shock of being separated from the womb. Note that the giants alone are not Pokémon.

Then, again,

Since Aus's body appeared different on the left and right sides, he decided to create two counterparts.

and from the notes we understand that

The left and right aren't actually different; rather, they symbolize absoluteness, a metaphor equating the flaws of humans and Pokémon. Ia = male/Pokémon. Ea = female/humans.

We also see clearly stated a tripartition of the beings that populate the Pokemon universe:

Eventually, the gods began to call the beings that lived in their world by three names.

Humans. Pokémon. And nature.

pmyth05.1

This appear to be just a rework of pmyth05 and doesn't add much to the discussion. Notice, however, that from this file on there is a jump of two months in the modification date of the files.

pmyth05.2

The three dragon Pokémon went deep into the highest mountain.

From this line we can argue that at some point Uxie, Azelf and Mesprit were probably regarded as dragon Pokémons.

Both humans and Pokémon, as well as trees and minerals, began to pray together.

This line is an explicitation of the animism intrinsic in the triadicity of humans/Pokémons/nature.

pmyth05.2アウス

This version is almost the same as pmyth05.2.

pmyth05.3

The God of Space Ia was born from the titan’s right hand.

Here we have a return of the black titan figure from whose dismembered body the first gods are created. Furthermore, Ia is referred here for the first time as the god of space instead of light.

And so it transformed its body into an egg once more, entering a deep sleep.

This is a new element to the story.

The few humans that remained in the world apologized to all things.

They apologized to the gods on the first day, and they apologized to Pokemon on the second day.
They apologized to nature on the third day, and they apologized to humanity on the fourth day.

This part is highly reminiscent of the bible creation myth.

Note that this is seems to be, by now, the most sophisticated of the myths. To support this statement, notice that this seems to be the last modified version that we know of.

pmyth06

There were two tribes in the world.

Again a departure from the heavenly cosmogony in the previous versions to a more earthly one.

The plentiful nature was protected by the goddess of time, Ea, who lived in the moon.

In this version Ea is associated with the moon, while Ia with the sun.

The brilliance that brought them good harvest was protected by the god of light, Ia, who lived in the sun.

This is a strange comeback to the previous association of Ia with the light. Maybe a second thought on the space concept, or maybe 05.3 is posterior to 06 (as the modification date would suggest).

The Pokémon killed was the wife of someone from the forest.

First hint of an interbreeding between Pokémon and humans.

The surviving people discussed the matter, and sought advice from the god that lived in the tallest mountain.

This is almost certainly a reference to Aus.

In the notes we find:

What Ia/Ea represent:

Ia - light - stability - sun - agriculture - Japanese people - drought - men - human-made things - anger - diamond
Ea - time - transformation - moon - hunting - Emishi/Ainu people - cold-weather damage - women - nature - sad - pearl
What Ry-Ai-Hy represent:
Balance - harmony - sound - Ding chinese cauldron
What Aus represent:
The ultimate - life - the almighty

This, among the others, hints to the fact that the mountain god is Aus (otherwise absent from the story).

What can we learn?

To sum up, I believe that amongst these first versions, 05.3 is the last one, as it results also from the last modification date. After a brief derive towards a more earthly cosmogony, it seems that in the end the heavenly one is becoming the most prominent again. Finally, in 05.3, we also witness for the first time the attribution of the domain of space to Ia/Palkia.

The next time we will conclude the analysis looking at pmyth07, pmyth07.1イアエア and 増田さん神話資料 (which I believe to be the initial prompt written by Junichi Masuda on the basis of which all the pmyth files were written).

Addendum: while re-analysing the texts, I noticed to have made a mistake in my analysis. Multiple times I simplistically associated Ia with Palkia and Ea with Dialga, grounding this assumption on the domains of space and time. But in their pokemon-like form, Ea is associated with pearls, while Ia with diamonds, therefore the 1-to-1 correspondence Ia/Ea to Palkia/Dialga is ambiguous.

Ever since the recently terabyte leak of GameFreak, I have been creating a theory that Kyurem, the Original Dragon was a part of the Creation Trio. After some research, I found that the user u/MarsAdept created a similar theory at https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemonconspiracies/s/o9AYoKd6BV. I will be referencing parts of their theory in this but please check it out if you want to. Because of the recent leak and newer information from newer games, especially Legends Arceus, I will be expanding upon this theory.

Also, this theory is LONG but that’s because there’s a lot of evidence to support it.

BUILDING UPON PAST EVIDENCE

Some points I really like of theirs is that Kyurem represents PLASMA and is the missing element not seen in the Creation Trio as Palkia, Dialga, and Giratina represent liquid, solid, and gas respectively. Although Kyurem now is an ice type, the Original Dragon Kyurem composed mainly of Reshiram and Zekrom who represent fire and electricity, which are two elements highly attributed to plasma, as well as the past and the future and truth and ideals respectively, with the Kyurem we know now being an ice type because they became an empty husk after Reshiram and Zekrom split. The ice type could represent the missing energy.

Mars also references that Ghetsis in both BW and B2W2 had possession of the Creation Trio orbs. These orbs can transform each of the Creation Trio into their Origin Formes. In both of these Gen 5 games exists the Light Stone and the Dark Stone, two key items similar to the Creation Trio orbs that awaken Reshiram and Zekrom. There is another stone that is unobtainable in these games known as the GOD STONE. I believe that this stone is one of the Creation Trio orbs but it is one that is used for Kyurem. There is a possibility that this God Stone is unobtainable because it is currently unusable. The God Stone must have split off into the Light and Dark Stones like how Reshiram and Zekrom split off from the Original Dragon Kyurem. I believe this God Stone used to have similar properties like the Creation Trio orbs, but like how Kyurem became a husk, the God Stone became a husk as well.

Mars also points out that Zekrom and Reshiram represents Yin and Yang which are surrounded by Wuji (Kyurem) to make Taiji, which is the highest principle that from which all life flows.

NEW INFORMATION AND EVIDENCE

I believe that the Original Dragon that represents Taiji, also represents ENERGY/BALANCE.

So we know in Pokémon Platinum that there exists the Distortion World. We originally thought that Giratina was the only member of the Creation Trio to live in another world, but after Legends Arceus, we learn that each member of the Creation Trio live in another world that also awakens their Origin Formes. These worlds are unbound in time, space, and antimatter dependent on the member of the Creation Trio. We also know that in the lore because of the GameFreak leak, Arceus first created Palkia and Dialga and created Giratina later. Kyurem was created after Palkia, Dialga, and Giratina to create a balanced world.

In the leaks, the Tree of Life was created by Lake Guardians, being Azelf, Mesprit, and Uxie. They also cut down this tree and the Weather Trio, being Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza, transformed the pieces of the shattered Tree of Life into the waters, the earth, and the heavens. The shadow in the sky that is said to sustain the heavens is the Pokémon called Giratina. So Giratina was created after Dialga, Palkia, the Lake Guardians, and the Weather Trio, meaning that THE ORIGINAL DRAGON KYUREM WAS CREATED AFTER THE EVENTS OF THE TREE OF LIFE TO CREATE ENERGY/BALANCE IN THE UNIVERSE.

Kyurem’s representation of plasma also adds on to this because plasma makes up 99% of the visible universe. I believe that this means that all of those Pokémon created the principles and foundation for the universe but the Original Dragon Kyurem filled in the void and created boundaries so that time, space, and antimatter couldn’t flow freely and clash with each other, therefore also separating Palkia, Dialga, and Giratina’s world from the Pokemon world. I believe that since each of the Creation Trio has their own worlds that allows them to transform into their Origin Forme, then the Pokemon world is Kyurem’s world, therefore THE ORIGINAL DRAGON IS ORIGIN FORME KYUREM.

As we know, the Lake Guardians are HIGHLY CONNECTED to the Creation Trio. So now we must wonder why the CAVE OF BEING, a cave that specifically hosts the Lake Guardians, is located in Unova. Its map description even states that its deepest caverns might connect to Sinnoh, the first region where the Creation Trio and the Lake Guardians were introduced.

The MOST IMPORTANT EVIDENCE I have for this theory regards the symbol seen in SINJOH RUINS. We know that when you brought Arceus to the Sinjoh Ruins in HGSS, there was a cutscene where Arceus was centered in a symbol and created an egg that hatched a member of the Creation Trio. Thanks to the leaks, we know that each circle in the symbol represents a Pokemon, the ones in the middle are the most heavily related to Arceus and the Tree of Life event. The symbol is very symmetric except for the very middle, the circles that are connected directly to Arceus. If you look in the middle circle, the bottom left area looks like it’s missing a circle and has space for circle. There are three circles, being the members of the Creation Trio, and therefore time, space, antimatter, and three states of matter. Notice how this empty space could easily fill in as plasma? Therefore, THE MISSING SPACE IN THE SINJOH RUINS GENESIS SYMBOL PROVES THAT THERE IS A MISSING ELEMENT OF THE CREATION TRIO, BEING PLASMA, AND A POKÉMON THAT REPRESENTS PLASMA, THE ORIGINAL DRAGON KYUREM.

CLOSING STATEMENTS

So why is Kyurem missing from the Sinjoh Ruin symbol that represents the genesis of the Pokemon universe? It’s possible that GameFreak was planning to add another member of the Creation Trio that represents plasma in the future since Gen 4. It’s also possible that ever since the Original Dragon Kyurem split into Reshiram, Zekrom, and the husk Kyurem, it lost its status as a member of the Creation Trio. It’s also possible there’s someone at GameFreak made this symbol to be completely symmetric and decided to make the center around Arceus asymmetric for no reason. It’s entirely possible that everything could be wrong, but that’s the fun of theory crafting. I do believe that this theory has a LOT of evidence but we will truly never know if it is true until the future games release, possibly a Legends Kyurem or Gen 5 remake game.

If you have read this theory, then thank you very much for reading and I appreciate it. If you have any thoughts or evidence to prove or disprove this theory, please comment in the comments below.

This is mainly hopping off of the leaked lore. But according to the lore of the plates, they are the "shards of the universe", with the defeated giants being infused into them, those that bear a Plate draw from its power, it listen's to the Flute's song, and the power of Pokemon possess the power of Plates. That last line implies that all of the magical animals were gifted the magical power of the elements, but NOT humans .

According to the leak, Arceus hatched and the shards of its egg formed into giants that it battled one after another, slaying them and growing increasingly more powerful became but became weakened from the battle . My thought is this is how the Plates were made, each giant represented a Type and thus their remnants became the plates. From here they affect Judgement specifically, possibly implying that Arceus inflicted metaphorical judgement on these giants. These giants are meant to be inspired by the titans of Greek mythology.

Alongside that, Arceus almost died trying to stop a simple meteor in the movie, but has no trouble in the present, its possible the Jewel of Life was a very early event or before Arceus had recovered. On top of that, only in Sinnoh are you able to get multiple copies, on top of shards via the Underground. Also, Pokemon Journeys, the Flame Plate is also attempted to be used by >!Team Galactic to bring Cyrus back to their Universe. Which resulted in Heatran going on a rampage from its power, likely from a power overflow or the giant taking over.!<

Now I wanna talk about Regigigas. The Blank Plate only appears in Legends: Arceus, not even Scarlet & Violet, but does show up in the anime. Now its likely due to how the item system works but what if that is meant to imply something greater. Its specifically gifted to the player after catching Regigigas, meaning they are in some way linked. What if Regigigas was one of the giants that Arceus defeated, the Normal-Type Giant, shit, its CALLED THE GIGANTIC / COLOSSAL POKEMON. The second point is that the titans of Greek were defeated by the Greek Gods in the titanomachy and imprisoned in the Underworld, very similar to the stuff regarding these giants, like Giratina, who was sent to the Distortion World for his sins.

We are never told that Arceus killed these giants. For the transgression of attacking God, Regigigas could likely have been brought into servitude, carrying the continents on its back with giant ropes, and later building the five Regi's in its own image with Regieleiki gaining non-conductive equipment while Regidrago is unfinished. From here it sustained wounds and became slow and overburdened by Arceus. What's important is they are called the Legendary GIANTS / TITANS, obviously inspired by Hebrew Golems which are specifically brought to life by a human putting one of the names of God into its mouth. It could possibly be making these Regi's in remembrance for its fallen comrades or simply in honor of Arceus.

Now for Hoopa, its interesting, since naturally he's quite a weird creature with the random power over space with particle effects very similar to Giratina's Shadow Force, being able to summon all sorts of deities. He's inspired by djinn / genies, the Quran reject that they are divine but are creatures MADE BY GOD but God was unsatisfied and thus made humans but sent an army of angels to defeat them beforehand. Unbound is inspired by Ifrit, a demonic spirit of the dead that became independant from the Djinn that live in the underworld. He's also based on the Gegenees, six-armed warriors that Heracles fought. Since Unbound is its original form, its possible that its either the Psychic or Drak-Type Giant.

In the XY anime, we see a flashback were the Splash, Flame, and Earth plate are used to create the Prison Bottle to seal Hoopa's power. An artifact made by defeated giants designed to stop and contain the power of a giant. Like its almost too easy of a parallel. However, I want to call attention to something else: its length and color. Hoopa Unbound lasts only three days and appears in the color of black and red smoke or shadow. The exact same length (If you translate days to turns) and color as Dynamax Clouds.

Now is Eternatus' turn, who is... arguably the easiest case for the giants in the entire series, I mean its written everywhere, its called the Gigantic Pokemon (Sharing the same category with Regigigas), is the largest by height, generates Dynamax energy which makes creatures become giants and a unique genetic quirk creates Gigantamax. Its possibly the Poison-Type Giant. It showed up 20,000 years prior to the story and 17,000 years finally awakened from its weird shell. This could imply that it was injured and simply healing, just like when it was beaten 3,000 years by the Legendary Duo. Its likely it was struck down by Arceus and SLOWLY crashed down onto Earth.

Its partially inspired by the Seven-Headed Dragon, who, fun fact, is a depicion of THE DEVIL, who was banished to Earth alongside the Nephilim, the hebrew giants. Fun fact, the word Nephilim MEANS giant, they are the children of fallen angels and human beings. Also almost all of its stuff comes from space, including Wishing Pieces. The only other Pokemon with that kind of origin is Kyurem where it crash landed as the Dragon Stone, same as Eternatus' shell, was so wounded that two princes had to help, opposite of the Legendary Duo. Its even called the ORIGINAL Dragon, like how Arceus is called the Original One.

Side note, there's also Deoxys, whose very specifically a space virus (Which is a very weird thing) that turn into a Pokemon went hit by a laser beam. Now mind you, Pokemon have the power of the Plates and a laser is a SUPER SPECIFIC thing, especially since Eternatus shoots laser's from its core. Its mutation with meteorites is also quite similar to the origins of Eternatus & Kyurem. The crystalline organ also bears a similar color to Wishing Stars, but also has a green variant for some reason... But also Staryu & Starmine operate via similar crystalline organs and come from space. Hmm...

Basically all of this evidence implies that at least Regigigas & Eternatus could be two of the seventeen original giants that Arceus battled when it was first born. Using the bible as imagery, this is the equivalent of Lucifer (The devil / seven-headed dragon) turning one-third of the angels of heaven onto God to usurp his power, similar to what Giratina did. Hoopa could very likely be a construct of Arceus using dynamax energy that failed and was defeated by his angels. In fact, Ultra Necrozma, his original form, is designed similarly to a fallen angel like Lucifer, the morning star, he could be linked in all of this.

Tldr; Regigigas, Hoopa, Eternatus, and even Ultra Necrozma have unexplained / alien / interdimensional origins that imply they could be some of the giants that Arceus battled in the Plate lore in-game and from the official Teraleak. As they are both inspired by giants, golems, djinn, the devil, and fallen angels, those that were made or attacked God.

EDIT: YES, I'M AWARE THAT THE LEAKS ARE NOT CANON, I'M JUST USING THEM TO GAIN AN IDEA OF WHAT THE DEVELOPERS HAD IN MIND WHEN CREATING THE LORE OR WHAT THEY HAVE IN MIND NOW.

I'm replaying Pokemon moon and I'm at the event on Route 9 where Faba and a Aether grunt are trying to get a slowpoke back from 2 team skull grunts. You battle them and the Slowpoke is saved and returned to where ever it is from before it was stolen by Team Skull.

However later, it's revealed Lusamine is evil and freezing Pokemon she finds beautiful, and one of them is a slowpoke. Could this be the same Slowpoke from route 9? Did I just assist in a kidnapping???

Included in the recent "teraleak" were beta designs for the Flabébé line, which were much less flower-like yet still described as having "the image of a fairy of flowers". Some Pokémon's early typings were also revealed, including a pure Water Greninja, pure Fighting Pangoro, pure Flying Noibat, reversed Mega Charizard typings and Steel/Rock Mega Aggron; I was expecting to see a Fairy/Grass Florges, but as it turns out, this line was never intended to be anything but pure Fairy.

Flabébé and its evolutions were designed to be emblematic of the Dragon type's antithesis, the Fairy type: the placeholder name in their concept art literally translates to "Fairy Pokémon". Their early placements in the internal index order suggest that they were the first Pokémon created with the Fairy type in mind and some of the first new Pokémon made for X and Y in general, coming just after the Bunnelby line and... the Skrelp line, of all things?

Florges has three known beta designs. It hasn't been determined exactly what any of them are based on, but the first one reminds me a lot of a seahorse, which is a little odd considering that another seahorse Pokémon had already been designed shortly before it. However, we now know for a fact that Florges was always meant to resemble a vibrant flower without actually being one, while Dragalge camouflages itself as rotten kelp. Their types also counteract each other: Florges' Fairy type is weak to Dragalge's Poison type, yet strong against and immune to its Dragon type. Dragalge does already have a counterpart in the final game (Clawitzer), but the Clauncher line was added much, much later on, being the 56th and 57th new Pokémon brought into X and Y.

So... were there once plans for the games themed around life and death to have one lively Fairy seahorse and one sickly Poison/Dragon seahorse, both of which pretend to be Grass-types and were designed very closely together, or am I onto nothing here?

Just kinda want to dump my stream of consciousness about lore here for anyone also interested. I’ll be talking about the Abyssal Ruins, Unova/Kalos connection, and Arceus lore.

The leaked decoded cipher of the Ruins is basically Arceus’ creation myth, some of which we already knew. Arceus was born, defeated some giants, made legendaries, and then made all Pokemon. We already knew most of this from the pokedex, the plates in DPPt, and PLA. This version of the myth was further given credence since it was present in the leaks (along with different versions that were never included in the game).

The fact that the Abyssal Ruins ciphers were about Arceus and that the creation myth was emphasized raises new questions:

1. Arceus “religion” always seemed to be localized to Sinnoh/Hisui. It was originally worshiped by Celestica before the story was distorted over time to be about dialga and palkia. So, why are Arceus’ plates in the Abyssal Ruins in Unova? why is the creation myth inscribed there? Why are the Unova kings’ relic items there? Is there a connection between the Unova King and Arceus? Is the Unova King from Hisui? Does N derive his power from Arceus if he’s descended from the Unova King (as heavily implied in Gen 5)?

2. As far back as DPPt, and as recently as PLA, we’ve heard that Arceus defeated”giants” and infused their energy into the plates. The leak also slightly expands on this, showing that the giants were NOT Arceus’ creations but were made from the shell of its eggs. One version from the leak even says Arceus made Dialga and Palkia to help it battle one of fhe Titans because it was worn out from battling the giants.

This makes me think that these “Giants” rivaled Arceus in power. And I think that points to their identity. The Giants are actually the “final form” of all the big boss Pokemon that appear AFTER Gen 4. The leaks even have a sort of legend hierarchy for legendaries, mythical, and pseudos between Gens 1-4. I’d wager that this means Arceus created all the Gen 1-4 legends (and minor legends from subsequent generations), but didn’t create the boss Pokemon. Those Pokemon, as follows, are the remnants of the “Giants” Arceus defeated in the past:

• The Original Dragon (Kyurem’s original form before splitting into Reshiram and Zekrom). Kyurem-fused forms have a BST 700, just short of Arceus. Thus, the OG Dragon likely has one equal to or higher than Arceus and so can rival it. Also the OG Dragon crashed to earth in a meteor, indicating it’s not from the Pokemon world that Arceus creates.
• Zygarde: as we know, our boy was supposed to get Pokemon Z and an expanded story, which was crammed into S/M due to 25th anniversary. He’ll get his time in PLZA, along with more lore and according to the leaks, more power. But his 100% forms has a BST 708 - plus, when he gets a power up in PLZA, it’ll likely be higher than Arceus. We don’t even know where Zygarde comes from, and I won’t be surprised if PLZA reveals it’s not from the world Arceus created.
• Necrozma - easiest to explain. USUM confirms it’s an UB and not a Pokemon, allegedly from another dimension. Like Kyurem and Zygarde, it has a final form. Also Ultra Necrozma has a higher BST than Arceus. I keep mentioning the BST because I think this is proof that these Pokemon/creatures were NOT created by Arceus - any Pokemon created by Arceus would in theory be less powerful than it. So the only Pokemon with higher BSTs must be a rival to it in some way.
• Eternatus - like Necrozma, easy. It has a giant final form that has an astronomical BST. Its origin is not from the Pokemon world, as it’s extraterrestrial.

Other potential candidates including Giratina due to its history with Arceus, and maybe Terapagos due to its high BST and extraterrestrial origin, though I don’t think Terapagos fits the pattern.

The pattern being: all the Pokemon listed are dragon type and extremely overpowered in their final forms. We don’t know how many Giants there are but likely there’ll be one for each type, and I have a feeling we’ll be seeing more that fit this mold in the coming generations.

FINALLY (if you read this far, thanks for indulging me), I think the above theories cast a new light on a theory about Unova and Kalos, and perhaps Galar.

3. I’d always thought the relic items hinted to a connection between Unova and Kalos due to the description noting they’re 3000 years old, and the emphasis on the 3000 year old war waged by the Kalos kings. I wondered if the kings of Unova and Kalos were the same pair of brothers, and the Unova war was the same as the Kalos war. I also thought the ciphers hinted to this, and to N being a decedent of King Harmonia. I admit the use of the 3000 number could very well be a coincidence. It’s also used to time the “darkest day” that happened in Galar.

Recently, the leaks showed a scrapped video of the Kalos war that showed Kalos fighting against its opponent wielding a Giratina and Heatran. Now I’m thinking that the Kalos war was waged against Sinnoh, and was separate from the Unova truths and ideals war, which was separate from the darkest day.

This made me think, what if 3000 years ago in the Pokemon world, the “Giants” were resurrected somehow, and came to wreak havoc in the different regions, leading to the minor legendary Pokemon being created to stop them instead of Arceus. Consider:

1. the OG Dragon becomes the catalyst for the Unova war 3000 years ago
2. Eternatus caused the darkest day 3000 years ago
3. Giratina is involved in the Kalos war 3000 years ago, and very likely Zygarde. PLZA will undoubtedly focus on Zygarde lore as well as AZ, and AZ’s whole thing is the 3000 year old war, so they must be connected.

Anyway, all these leaks had my mind spinning with theories since I’ve been interested in this stuff for 15 years lol so wanted to just dump it some place someone might feel the same. What do YOU think?

Using the Pokédex entries for Magnemite and Magneton, as well as scientific formulas and logical deduction, I calculate that Magneton is not just three times more powerful than Magnemite but over 300: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkxq3br8hr4

In the Teraleak, we saw a scrapped Pokemon that looked kind of like a red spider lily. I believe this was Wally’s intended partner before Ralts existed.

Going off the leaked index order, the Ralts line is also really late. Like I’m talking about the last ones programmed, with only Bagon after them. Meanwhile, the lily Pokémon was much earlier in the dex. It makes sense that it was coded as a last-minute replacement for the lily Pokémon, but they didn’t remove it just yet since it could’ve still been used elsewhere.

Also, while the Ralts line is pure Psychic in RSE, this Pokemon is Bug/Psychic, so there is some type overlap, which may have been a sign that Ralts replaced the lily Pokemon. And this one is a bit of a stretch, but Wally ends in -ly, and lily also ends in -ly.

In ORAS, the battle against Wally before you fight the Elite 4 is set in a flower field. Which flowers are there? Red spider lilies.

They probably scrapped it because from what I remember, it was a single stage Pokemon, and as such, wouldn’t grow much throughout the game.

As many of you probably know, a couple of days ago a massive Game Freak leak happened. Among the leaked materials there is an interesting folder with drafts of the original Pokémon cosmogonic myth from D/P/P and additional folkloristic stories. Now, let's be clear: of course I don't support this kind of practices and people who perpetrate them. But since these documents have already been posted online and do not contain any kind of sensible informations, I decided to start looking at them out of curiosity, and in search of real world inspirations for the myths there presented.

Of course, anybody wanting to join my efforts in "decodifying" these myths is warmly welcomed to add additional findings, infos and thoughts in the comments below!

Here are the things I was able to identify at first glance.

Cosmogonic myth

(Note: since it appears that this myth was modified multiple times, I will refer to each file I'm talking about starting with the analysis of the first draft, "pmyth01". Note that according to the last modification date, the order seems to be:

• pmyth01.1
• pmyth02
• pmyth03
• pmyth04
• pmyth05
• pmyth01
• pmyth05.1
• pmyth05.2
• pmyth06
• pmyth05.2アウス
• pmyth07
• pmyth07.1イアエア
• pmyth05.3

Since we don't know the creation date of each file, I'll suppose that the presence of pmyth01 between pmyth05 and pmyth05.1 (and other weird switches) is due to a will to correct some mistake in the file or maybe a brief change of mind of coming back to the first version after the fifth and before the first revision of the fifth version).

(Note 2: I'm in no way an anthropologist or anything like that, so if you find any imprecisions or mistakes just let me know in the comments!)

pmyth01

"In the beginning, there was a swell of chaos."

Well, this is a very typical beginning for a cosmological myth, the archetypical one being the classical greek one.

"At one point, a giant egg appeared within."

This is also another typical cosmogonic element, the cosmic egg mythologeme. Should I point at one particular origin myth, I would point at the chinese one regarding Pangu, the primordial giant that hatches from the chaos-egg and separates the sky from the earth. This for two reasons: firstly, beacause I think the chinese mythological corpus is likely well known in Japan, and secondly because (as we will see in the following) the themes of giants and the parting of the sky and earth are recurring in this myth.

"The absolute divinity Ausu was born."

I tried to identify the inspiration for this name, but couldn't find anything. My guess is that it is modeled afer Apsu, one of the primordial gods in Sumerian mythology. This guess is based on the similarity between their names and the probable inspiration from Sumerian mythology for other two major pokemon gods, as we will see in a moment.

"The right and left halves of Ausu's body differed, so he constructed two offshoots."

This is probably far-fetched, but this dichotomic complementarity in a single being reminded me the myth of androgynes from Plato's symposium.

"[...] so Ausu named it Ia, the god of light [...] so Ausu named it Ea, the god of darkness."

Ea is most probably a reference to the homonymous mesopotamian god, while Ia is possibly a west semitic way of pronouncing the same name. Again, this separation into light and darkness is resemblant of the separation of yang and ying operated by Pangu.

"[...] the eye god, Rei [...]"

This could be a reference to Ra/Re of egyptian mythology, often associated with the eye symbolism.

"The bud matured before their eyes, and became a giant tree of life."

Again, the tree of life is a universal symbol found in a lot of different mythologies.

pmyth01.1

"The absolute divinity, Ausu, who had awoken at last, looked upon the world and was greatly pleased."

This reminds me the line from the Genesis book: 'God saw everything that he had made, and indeed, it was very good.'

Note: to me this version seems to be more drafty than the previous one, suggesting that perhaps it was written before, or that pmyth01 was later updated (since it seems to have been modified lastly after pmyth05). It also seems to be more edulcorated compared to the previous one.

pmyth02

"It was a time when the world had yet a name to be called, in other words, it was a time when the world did not hold a distinct shape."

This, in my opinion, is a beautiful quote to the first line of the Enuma Elis:

'When on high the heaven had not been named,

Firm ground below had not been called by name, [...]'

"The God of Light Ia radiates and shines on all things. The God of Time Ea rouses and manages all things. The black titan destroys all things, returning them to null."

This resembles very mush the hindu trimurti, with Brahma the creator (Ia here), Visnu the preserver (Ea) and Siva the destroyer (the black titan).

"Then, the titan's soul and body split into three separate pieces. Its body became the sky, land, and sea."

This is another very common theme regarding a primordial giant who is dismembered, and whose limbs become the physical world.

"Rayquaza bound the heavens [...]"

This remind me of the egyptian goddes Nut whose role was to bound the visible sky.

pmyth03

"The man named the twins."

The existence divine twins is a distinct proto-indoeuropean theme.

"Three lights overflowed from the father’s body."

Might be too farfetched, but this apotheosis element is visually similar to heros becoming constellations in a lot of greek (and not only) myths.

"The body transformed into a giant mountain."

Again the titan becomes part of the physical world.

"Both of you, watch over this world from this place, which is higher than anywhere else."

Cfr. greek gods watching over the world from mount Olympus.

Note: in this version we see a deviation from the pure numinous mood of the previous one, coming to a more earthly setting, with humans taking active part in the story.

pmyth04

"But after a long time, people forgot little by little their respect for the gods and nature, and their friendship with Pokémon."

The theme of people forgetting devotion towards gods is found in a lot of different mythologies. For example is a predominant one in mesoamerican origin myths.

"Aus' screams became thunder, and struck down buildings. The god of the sky disappeared. Aus' rushing steps became earthquakes, and teared through the earth. The god of land disappeared. Aus' running tears became tsunamis, and swept many. The great ocean disappeared."

This is very similar to the various catastrophes that the gods operate in order to punish proto-umans for their misbehaviour towards them and nature in mesoamerican mythologies.

What can we learn?

There are a number of observations we can make after the analysis of these first five documents. First of all, as already pointed out before, there seems to be a gradual shift of the focus from the divine world to the earthly one, with humans interacting more and more in the story. The style too (keeping in mind that it is a translation) seems to me to become more poetic going forward with the versions, culminating in the beautiful opening of pmyth04:

"People, Pokémon, the wind running through the hills, the morning dew dropping from the leaves, all things were equal, all things in the world were friends, were food, were family."

This could possibly mean an increasing attention in the mythopoietic/stylistic process due to a progressive enstablishment of the lore.

We can also witness the emergence of a third element along with Aus (proto-Arceus) and the couple Ia (proto-Palkia)/Ea (proto-Dialga): the dark titan, a creature that I suppose is a sort of proto-giratina (even thout the 'giant' element and the forming of the earth remind more of regigigas), and that till this point has a contradictory nature that differs version by version. In parallel, we see the final enstablishment of Ea-Dialga as god of time, while Ia-Palkia is still regarded as god of light and not of space.

It is interesting to note how in pmyth03 the physical features of these two last gods start to take shape, referencing to a 'dragon-shape', with diamond features for Ea-Dialga and pearl ones for Ia-Palkia.

For the next part of this analysis I'm waiting for a translation of the next documents, to be able to analyse them in the right order.

If you have any comments on this work i would be glad to hear them!

For part 2 head here.

Okay, so, the MASSIVE pokemon leak.
Scrolling through the stories, from what i gathered myself:
Arceus created palkia and dialga, who were twins from a human, palkia also MADE the humans. Loophole, but some parts ARE said multiple times.
Palkia and dialga created the lake spirits who begged for more help. Palkia and dialga created the weather trio. Then in some part between the creation of palkia and dialga and the creation of the weather trio, some kind of giant titan came down. It killed the lake trio and the weather trio and somehow almost killed arceus. I, personally, believe this is giratina.
Arceus himself said that it was ''apart of himself'', so he created palkia and dialga to beat him.
Giratina is also known as ''the shadow of Arceus''.
Get me there? And palkia and dialga beating him seems logical.
(Also, palkia is canonically female, dialga male, AND lovers???)

The ''notes'' left behind by the author are saying the giants ARENT pokemon
This is the part i still dont get.

What other entity then arceus, pokemons, dialga and palkia OR giratina could be arceus his shell pieces?
I never got that.

Then the entity was called a Titan and was ONE black entity? So it IS giratina? But if they already had plans for him, why did they make someone in that likeness? For as far as i know there arent shadow arceus (except for the normal giratina) or multiple giratina.
AGAIN I NEED ANSWERS IM GUNNA SLEEP

Remembering that Rayquaza felt Deoxys inside the rock he was coming from and attacked deoxys to protect the earth, and are you going to tell me that he didn't feel the giant egg that was coming to earth with the eternalus? For me, Rayquaza was afraid of the giant hand and let him pass, he didn't guarantee himself in x1, he's a scam, a fraud

I don't know much about the pokemon lore so ignore my stupidity but we know that Pokemon red and blue take place in 1995 or 96. So I'm assuming the Great Pokemon war takes place in like the 1970s or 80s since Lt.Surge might be 40-ish and he may have fought in the Great Pokemon war according to other theories.

Pointing out how underrated Pokemon spin-offs are isn't exactly revolutionary; not only do they barely receive any acknowledgement from developers, but even fans don't give them much attention either beyond the occasional reminiscing. Hearing talk of these games is already fairly uncommon, while discussion about their lore and canonicity is almost nonexistent.

Most are typically of the belief that nearly every spin-off isn't canon. Some may accept the Orre games due to their gameplay, or perhaps the Ranger titles due to their special connectivity, but even then, there's many who don't consider any of these games canon either, as spin-offs are rarely ever referenced in the main series at all.

That's not to say it doesn't happen; Quest, for instance, is referenced quite a bit in SwSh and LGPE, which has led to most accepting the title as canon, albeit, as an in-universe video game. Though Quest is fairly unique in this regard, since beyond that, spin-off references are usually such minor easter eggs it's arguable as to whether they were even intentional or not.

Despite that, there is still one more spin-off that's clearly canon, with the title in question being Pokemon Go. At this point, most have accepted Go's canonicity, at least in some form, but to reiterate for those who may not be familiar as to why, all one needs to do is watch the special videos focusing on Meltan and Gimmighoul; which both feature Professor Willow directly interacting with the main series via LGPE Oak and SV Jacq. Although these videos aren't acknowledged in the actual main series games, the official websites for both of these titles back up the connection being canon.

Though that doesn't mean Go isn't acknowledged in these games at all, especially with GO Park existing. There aren't many direct references to Go outside of that, but there is at least one.

Child (Fuchsia City): "My big brother Bill's job is transferring Pokemon so people can send Pokemon to one another! He's the one who developed the Box system. Oh, and you know the GO Park complex? He made that, too, with some professor from a faraway region."

While this is usually enough for folks to accept Go as canon, due to a number of reasons, that tends to be where it ends. See, there's this widespread belief that while Go's canon, it actually takes place in another dimension or universe that's somehow connected to that of the main series through some kind of interdimensional communication.

The most common factor behind this belief tends to come from the way Go markets itself, as lots of media has referred to Go as "discovering Pokemon in the real world".

"Discover Pokémon in the Real World with Pokémon GO!"

"Reminiscent of the Pokémon GO experience, some of the Pokémon appear to have jumped into the real world, such as Pikachu walking alongside its Trainer and Snorlax snoozing on the front porch of a house."

However, it's quite clear that despite this, the game isn't literally set in the real world. Instead, it's just like any other Pokemon game, serving as a method for us to experience the world of Pokemon.

"With Pokémon GO, you'll discover Pokémon in a whole new world—your own! Pokémon GO will use real location information to allow players to experience catching, trading, and battling Pokémon."

"Travel between the real world and the virtual world of Pokémon with Pokémon GO for iPhone and Android devices."

There is one piece of evidence people love to point to beyond this marketing though, and that's Giovanni. In a trailer for Team Go Rocket, there's the infamous line:

"Earth is where I'll unleash my evil schemes next!"

Most only tend to take this one line into account, despite how text earlier in the video, as well its description, both suggest this is more of a fourth wall break, similar to previous descriptions of "the real world", than Giovanni literally invading our reality.

"They're in our world now!"

"The world of Pokémon GO is in peril."

Some may remain unconvinced, since after all, even if it's a fourth wall break, Giovanni's line is still a clear reference to USUM, which must imply Go Giovanni is the same as USUM Giovanni. If that's the case, Go has to be another world, since it doesn't make sense for Giovanni to invade the same dimension he was just in, right?

Well, these two being the same is rather difficult for a few reasons, but the biggest among them is how it's impossible for USUM Giovanni to have traveled to Go, since we've already clearly seen he went to Masters.

"In the past, I brought various organizations under my own control to form Team Rainbow Rocket. But I was forced to step down thanks to a certain kid who got in my way. I'm in the middle of a new plot as we speak."

Another major reason suggesting these two Giovanni aren't the same is how unlike USUM Giovanni, his Go counterpart doesn't seem capable of freely moving between dimensions.

During the Sinnoh Go Tour, due to spacetime distortions, Giovanni and Professor Willow both end up disappearing. This was clearly unintentional on Giovanni's part, with both him and Team GO Rocket as a whole having no choice but to work alongside the player in order to get them back.

Rhi: "Professor Willow is not the only one missing—Giovanni has vanished as well. Judging by his followers' agitation, his disappearance does not seem intentional."

Sierra: "Giovanni is still missing, as is your professor. How about we call a truce and search for them together? I'd say we both stand to benefit."

There's various other details separating these two versions of Giovanni as well, such as the lack of Rainbow Rocket imagery in Go, the lack of Mega Evolution, the lack of Sync Stones and Dynamax from Masters, Giovanni having a new set of admins who've clearly been with him for quite a while, the complete lack of references to Masters, plus vice versa to Go, and how Go Giovanni isn't fond of losing battles, as opposed to the nonchalance of his USUM variant.

For some, all that may be enough to separate Go and USUM Giovanni, but even so, it doesn't address another potential argument we've briefly seen: the second most common explanation behind this game's canonicity.

Instead of Go being the literal real world, some argue it's still an alternate dimension, since, after all, tons of comments, like the one we saw with Giovanni, refer to Go taking place in "the world of Pokemon Go".

This too, though, is just a way Pokemon games are promoted, it's not meant to literally be saying the game is self-contained. There're numerous examples of other games being referred to in similar manners.

"Learn about the world of Pokémon Scarlet & Pokémon Violet, including different features of the new open-world experience, Pokémon and Trainers you'll meet, and more!"

"The world of Pokémon Legends: Arceus is unlike any you've explored before."

"Whether you're exploring the world of Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Pokémon: Let's Go, Eevee! or engaging in a fierce Pokémon battle, your partner Pokémon will prove to be a valuable ally during your adventure."

"Magearna will be a special ally that you can put to work on your behalf in the world of Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon."

"Hoopa is a Mythical Pokémon in the world of Pokémon Omega Ruby and Pokémon Alpha Sapphire that cannot be encountered through regular gameplay!"

"Ties to the World of Pokémon Diamond and Pokémon Pearl While Pokémon Legends: Arceus is set in a different age than the Pokémon Diamond and Pokémon Pearl games, it seems that there are some connections to be found between them."

Hell, as we saw earlier, Go has even been referred to as the "world of Pokemon" outright, rather than the "world of Pokemon Go".

Some may point to Let's Go, as Pokemon transferred via GO Park are described as having traveled through time and space.

"Traveled across space and time to come to GO Park complex."

Yet this too, is just another common practice throughout the franchise.

Transfer Lab Pokemon: "Apparently arrived at Lv. <level> after a long travel through time."

Gen 6 to 7 Bank Transfer Pokemon: "Seems to have traveled across both space and time to reach you from <region>."

Gen 6 / 7 to Gen 8 Home Transfer Pokemon: "It seems to have traveled all the way across space and time itself to join me from <region>."

Gen 6 / 7 / 8 to Gen 9 Home Transfer Pokemon: "It seems to have travelled across space and time to join me from <region>."

LA to BDSP Pokemon: "It seems to have travelled all the way across space and time to join me from the Sinnoh region of old."

Arguing GO Park as proof of an alternate world is the same as saying that ORAS doesn't take place in the same world as SM / USUM, or that LA doesn't take place in the same world as BDSP.

The canonicity of these transfers is admittedly a bit vague, but regardless, it doesn't seem to utilize other dimensions in-universe, or at least, isn't as canon as gameplay would suggest. For instance, despite Barry and Silver both just starting out as trainers in their respective games, clearly indicating they lack Pokemon to transfer into Pal Park, they still somehow participate in the Catching Show.

"The current record holder is <Rival> with 2000 points. Can you top that?"

More explicitly though, is how the suggested approach of Go being another world communicating with the main series dimension simply doesn't match up with the attitude towards this topic in the actual games.

Hau (USUM): "I never thought I'd actually get to see the Ultra Wormhole in my life... Never mind meeting people from another world! Man, the surprises just never stop coming! We've gotta tell Professor Burnet about this the next time we see her."

Kukui (USUM): "Woo! You got to see the Ultra Wormhole and an Ultra Beast? And folks from another world?! That IS amazing, oh yeah!"

Burnet: "The reason that people think there may be a mysterious dimension is because of the legends of fearsome Pokémon appearing from the Ultra Wormhole. It's very weak as proof, but I can't ignore it. There is also plenty of evidence already in the Pokédex for the existence of different dimensions, right?"

Professor Cozmo: "You fool! You have no substantive proof, and yet you claim another world, one just like our own, exists? Out of this fantasy, you—you have destroyed our only hope!"

The same holds true on Go's end as well, with characters never making even the slightest reference to "other worlds" or "alternate dimensions". Instead, the world of Go is simply treated as just another region, similar to how it was referred to in LGPE, with there even being the occasional reference to events from main series games.

Willow: "In other regions, Trainers use Mega Bracelets to help their Pokémon Mega Evolve."

(...)

"A Pokemon found in a jungle far to the south that was thought to have been extinct."

(...)

"Remember that meeting I was preparing to attend? It was with Silph Co., a large company in the Kanto region. They've had issues with villainous organizations in the past, and I was curious if they’d had any trouble recently."

(...)

"Thankfully, I was able to find a few hints in some old manuscripts sent to me by colleagues in the Sinnoh region. They mentioned that the Adamant Crystal and Lustrous Globe are somehow connected to Dialga and Palkia—Legendary Pokémon originally discovered in the very same Sinnoh region!"

(...)

"This one seems like it's mired in a fit of rage—not unlike a certain Red Gyarados that once rampaged the Johto region's Lake of Rage. Back then, Team Rocket used a mysterious radio broadcast to force Magikarp to evolve."

(...)

Willow: "Oh--hello, Jacq! It was great hearing you speak at the World Pokemon Ecological Society conference the other day!"

Jacq: "Thank you. Your lecture, "Strolling through the World of Pokemon," was fantastic, too!"

Hell, the most probable place for this kind of talk to come up would be the introductory "Welcome to the world of Pokemon" speech, which also occurs in Go, yet no such mention occurs there.

"Hello there! I am Professor Willow. Did you know that this world is inhabited by creatures known as Pokémon? Pokémon can be found in every corner of the earth. Some run across the plains, others fly through the skies, some live in the mountains, or in the forests, or near water... I have spent my whole life studying them and their geography. Will you help me with my research?"

But wait a second there, Go just can't be part of the main series continuity with all the legendaries reappearing. How can Pokemon like Reshiram and Zekrom reappear when they're required catches in BW and are implied to be one of a kind Pokemon?

Simple. Raids aren't as canon as they appear. Some of them still occur, that is, but not necessarily how gameplay presents them. The most notable example of this comes during Hoenn Go Tour, where Groudon and Kyogre start rampaging. Despite part of the story requiring the player to activate Primal Reversion, obviously meaning they'd need to capture the legendaries, the characters don't act like the player did; instead, apparently, they only "calmed" the Pokemon.

Sierra: "Truly impressive! You've managed to calm Primal Kyogre and Primal Groudon more than once now."

Professor Willow: "Even with that disaster averted, Primal Kyogre and Primal Groudon are no closer to calming down."

The idea that there's a region out there which looks just like our real world planet is an utterly bizarre one, no questions asked, and Go's method of marketing hasn't done that fact any favors. Despite the numerous other oddities and bumps, it's still clear that Go is indeed canon, and is also meant to take place in the same world as the main series, even if Niantic is doing a rather poor job at properly portraying that.

In the game Pokemon OR and AS Brenden who is the Canon player character beats Steven but in the game in the post game Steve says he will give up his champion title to Wallace so did Brenden lose to Steven or did Brenden beat Steven to become champion in ORAS

Poke holes, please! I'm laying out my thought process below, hence the bullet points.

• Legendary pokemon come in different tiers of legendary, from llama-god Arceus and embodiments of the natural world, like Time Lord Dialga and Space Lord Palkia, to Manaphy who makes a bunch of baby Phiones, but is incredibly rare.
• Mew is basically the Pan-Pokemon, the stem-cell pokemon, and there have been more than one mew used in the separate creations of MewTwos, and mews have been sighted all over the world, with some being guardians of local sacred spaces.
• IRL there's this thing called diapause, about which wikipedia says, "In animal dormancy, diapause is the delay in development in response to regular and recurring periods of adverse environmental conditions."
• IRL Laid eggs have a limited store of nutrition to see the critter develop to viability, so there's a time limit that an egg can say in a diapaused state before it dies.
• (Here's the stretch) Let's say that all pokemon have the potential to make a mew egg, because stem-cell pokemon, but for the mew egg to develop properly, it has to be exposed to enough of all 18 different type energies. That can be difficult, hence mew's extreme rarity.
• No one ever finds ditto eggs, yet ditto are found pretty much everywhere
• My headcanon atm is that, at a late stage in a mew egg's diapause state, if it hasn't been saturated with enough of the different type energies to fully develop, it instead develops as best it can, which is why Dittos only know one move and are blobs that can't levitate.

Thoughts?

Is Alder the ancient hero of hisui

I believe Alder is the ancient hero of hisui because he just looks like him

Also the ancient hero had modern pokeballs which shouldn't exist

It does make sense since Ingo did travel in the past so why wouldn't him

Also Alder is very strong so it makes sense he befriended the 10 ancient pokemon and beat arceus

Also the ancient hero look like a much older version of Alder

Kudos to u/Galarian_Rapidash for posting this thread and commenter u/Flarestrom88 for getting my gears turning! This was originally posted as a reply to their comment in that thread, but it keeps growing so I'm making my own thread.

Here's a crackpot theory: Steven was Petalburg's previous Gym Leader. Bear with me, 'cuz there's more.

But to start with Steven: He's canonically 25, and if he had a prior post as a Trainer before Champion, Gym Leader is the natural stepping-off point. There's precedent for Champions having short tenures, too. Moreover, being 25, he'll have moved out of his parents' home recently; Most young people, when first becoming independent from parents, will seek to go far enough to start being self-sufficient, but not too far they can't still lean on their parents at all when they may really need to. Petalburg qualifies if he grew up in Rustboro, where his dad's company is headquartered.

Since becoming Champion, sure, now he lives in Mossdeep, quite far from Petalburg. But Devon Corporation is in Rustboro, and Steven has few ties to Mossdeep but many to Rustboro and the surrounding area. He has an Aggron, and Aron can be caught in Granite Cave north of Dewford, close to Rustboro and Petalburg. Claydol, Meteor Falls, close to Rustboro. Skarmory, east of Lavaridge, which is still Western Hoenn and not too far from Rustboro. Finally, he's got both a Cradily and an Anorith, which -- yep -- Are revived fossils, and that we know, that can only happen in... Rustboro, at his Dad's company.

It's also not unreasonable to think perhaps Petalburg went a year or two without a Gym Leader before Norman, if they had to find someone from a whole other Region to take the job -- and then that person had to, you know, move across region lines (IRL equivalent would be moving across state lines I guess). That's more time Steven would've served as Champion. Steven even weirdly seems to take a special interest in the Player throughout their journey... and the Player's Dad, is Petalburg's new Gym Leader. Hell, this is a stretch, but the Gym's interior is literally the shape of a diamond. Stone?! C'mon!

Consider this: Steven and Roxanne seem roughly the same age, and according to bulbapedia they're close friends and they go on digs together a lot. They could have "come up" together. That's one more connection Steven has to that area, and Bulbapedia says the same of Steven and Brawly, who's also based not far from Petalburg and Rustboro. With Steven's Dad as a leading businessman in Rustboro, and especially if his son was a Gym Leader in nearby Petalburg, either Joseph alone or both Joseph and Steven could've helped Roxanne get the Rustboro Gym gig. Nepotism is one hell of a drug.

That begs the question... Steven only would've been Petalburg Gym Leader a short time; Maybe close to a decade at the very most if he started off very young. So who before him? No one. I think Steven was the first Petalburg Gym Leader. Look at the size of Petalburg City! It's tiny!! It makes sense for it to only recently have gotten a Gym, it would fit for Steven to have been the first because it then would've been made specifically for him and that's the kind of thing only Stone money can do, and it being kind of a wimpy city and new gym still proving itself could lend credence to why no one local would want the job, but maybe someone looking to make a major change of scenery... could.

I'm not done yet. Check this out.

According to Bulbapedia... E4 Drake sailed with Mr. Briney and Steven's dad, Joseph Stone, and they're all friends. Mr. Briney lives south of Rustboro, where Joseph Stone is based. Drake's Pokémon also have a lot of ties to the area: Salamence and Shelgon both evolve from Bagon originally, which is only caught in Meteor Falls. Altaria and its pre-evolution Swablu are both caught on the other side of Meteor Falls from Rustboro, and Flygon evolves from Trapinch which aren't caught much further away.

Drake's also an old retired sailor, and not just any sailor -- a Captain. And Slateport City is Hoenn's biggest Port City. It also doesn't have a Gym. But what if it used to? Here's my pitch: Drake was a Ship Captain, which probably would've worked best for him if he'd have been based in Slateport after moving away from his [assumed] hometown of Rustboro (or nearby) where he has the most ties. But if he's in the E4, he probably spent some time as a Gym Leader, right? But Captaining a ship can keep someone away for days on end on longer voyages or multiple successive trips; If he was a Captain based in Slateport but his Gym was somewhere else, it would have been extremely inconvenient. If Drake was a Hoenn Gym Leader before he joined the E4, it virtually has to have been in Slateport.

So what if Petalburg's Gym opened because Slateport's closed? The way Flannery talks about her grandpa's time in the E4, it doesn't sound like he just retired, so I don't think it's as simple as Norman taking over for Flannery's grandpa's successor. But Flannery's also young, so it can't have been too long ago, either. Here's the pitch: Flannery's grandpa taps Slateport City Gym Leader Drake as his E4 successor. Drake's old buddy Joseph Stone has a shitload of money and influence and a very talented young son, so he says to Drake, "Hey, close your Gym." (Maybe the Gym is even repurposed into a Contest Hall, or a Museum, or a Shipyard!). "I'll open a totally new one in Petalburg with my son as Gym Leader."

The remaining loose thread(s) are the Frontier Brains, who we know are all the first in their positions because Scott recruited them all for the Battle Frontier he just opened. It would make sense for at least some of them to also have been prior Hoenn Gym Leaders. So, where? Who took over for them, and where?

And before anyone points out that the Battle Frontier opens after we become Champion, which has to be some time after all these people take their positions as Gym Leaders, remember that Frontier Brains were almost definitely involved in the design and construction of each of their Battle Frontier facilities, so they are actually likely to have left their previous posts quite some time ago. Hell, I'd even say that given that Scott isn't a trainer, he probably recruited all the Brains before laying a single brick down for the Battle Frontier so they could be involved from the beginning. The Battle Frontier has to have taken a few years to build, so that's at least a few years before the games' events when whichever Brains were Hoenn Gym Leaders before being Brains would've left their Gyms to work with Scott on designing and building the Battle Frontier full-time.

• Flannery's the obvious immediate choice -- Maybe her grandpa was even Lavaridge Gym Leader before E4, so she could've taken over for her grandpa's successor who is now a Frontier Brain.

• My above theory also establishes a pretty recent timeline for Roxanne to have taken over Rustboro's Gym, so I'd argue a current Frontier Brain was likely the previous Leader there, too.

• We already know Juan was Sootopolis Gym Leader before Wallace, so that's 100% out.

• Tate and Liza are fucking children so they're essentially guaranteed to be new at Mossdeep Gym. It could even add context to Steven choosing to live in Mossdeep because if he was a child Gym Leader in Petalburg he'll be uniquely situated to support Tate and Liza, who by the way, also come from rich parents (their Dad is Director of the Space Center).

• Wattson is older and very well-established in Mauville; The way he acts and folks treat him it's clear he's viewed as a leader of the community. Dude's probably been Gym Leader a long time -- I'll rule him out.

• That leaves Brawly and Winona. I'm disinclined to think both of them are also new, but I think one of them could be. Winona we don't have a clear age on but she could have been Gym Leader a solid chunk of time now. Brawly's young though, and even known to have studied with Bruno of Kanto, which puts him away from Hoenn for at least some of his life. He has probably not been around long, either.

That makes Flannery, Roxanne, Tate and Liza, and Brawly all folks who potentially took over for Trainers who became Frontier Brains! Question now is... who took over for who 🧐🧐

• I think Dome Ace Tucker is a strong candidate for a Frontier Brain who came from a region different from Hoenn. He's a narcissistic actor who loves his crowd; None of Hoenn's Gyms are all that flashy, neither is Hoenn's E4, plus the Hoenn Region in general doesn't seem like the best place to make a name for oneself if what you want is to be ultra famous -- Half the towns are weird as shit. You ever consider how inconvenient it is to visit people who literally live on an island like Dewford or Mossdeep? -- Add to that the even weirder situations of Sootopolis or Fortree; Hoenn's just not a great place to make a name for yourself. Half the cities are pretty isolated and kind of hard to get to, and in general it's hard to get around the whole region. Nah, Tucker's from somewhere else -- Gut says Unova, even if only just because of the movie studio there.

• Pyramid King Brandon is another Frontier Brain who probably isn't a former member of the Hoenn League (Gym Leader or E4). He's the only NPC across all the games for whom all his Pokémon are legendaries. Bro is an uber spammer, and he worked with TV Mauville to produce shows in Kalos, Sinnoh, and Johto. Only being known to have/use legendaries already essentially disqualifies him from having been a Gym Leader not just in Hoenn but anywhere, but add to that that he produced TV shows in multiple different regions for years and you really get a life incompatible with what being a Gym Leader demands of a person. They're community leaders, like Wattson. Nah, no way Brandon was in the Hoenn League before becoming a Frontier Brain.

• Finally, I don't think Salon Maiden Anabel can have been in the Hoenn League if for nothing else than because she is literally described as a "mysterious trainer." She wouldn't be mysterious to Hoenn residents if they knew her already as a Gym Leader. Nah, Anabel's not from Hoenn, either.

That leaves Noland, Spenser, Greta, and Lucy.

• Greta's a martial artist who specializes in Fighting-type Pokémon and the anime literally identifies Brawly as a role model of hers. Her being the previous Gym Leader in Dewford, down to the same Pokémon type, is practically a gimme.

• This starts to be a bit of a stretch but I think Roxanne took over for Factory Head Noland. He gives out the Knowledge Symbol and is all about strategy -- That screams "Trainer's School" to me, which is in Rustboro and which Roxanne is closely affiliated with. She even gives the Trainer's School as a primary reason for wanting to take over as Gym Leader -- to have a chance to truly apply everything she learned there.

• I think Spenser is a little different. He's much older, which suggests a longer career as a Trainer (which would generally mean more accomplishments), and he does seem particularly close and in tune with his Pokémon. I peg him not as a former Hoenn Gym Leader (or, well, not only, but at that point that's probably too far back to know), but a former Hoenn E4. With how zen he is I'd come right out and say he's Flannery's grandpa and he started off as Lavaridge Gym Leader before her predecessor, but the hot springs-zen attitude connection is way too loose and nothing in canon supports it anyways (that I can tell). So, no, he was another recent E4 departure -- Perhaps even more recent than Flannery's grandfather. Looking at the E4, I've addressed Drake already, Glacia seems middle-aged at the earliest and has likely been there some time, and Sidney... I'll be honest I can't tell what the fuck is going on with him, he could be 20 or 50, I don't know, so I'm ignoring Sidney. But Phoebe, Phoebe seems young, and she has ties to Hoenn -- That's her grandma atop Mt. Pyre. I think Spenser left the E4 for the Battle Frontier, so Phoebe took over for him... and Tate & Liza took over for her in Mossdeep. Phoebe specializes in Ghost-type Pokémon, which are most similar to Psychic-types; Her outfit seems rather islander-y though that's... thin at best; And, Mossdeep is probably the closest Gym to Mt. Pyre and/or Lilycove, where her family could likely be if her grandma is a Mt. Pyre lady and what with most of her Pokémon being native to the route between Mt. Pyre and Lilycove.

That leaves Lavaridge Gym Leader Flannery, and Pike Queen Lucy. Gonna be honest; I've got nothing there. Entirely possible Lucy is also from elsewhere, and/or that Flannery's predecessor went to a different region. But hey! This is still crazy! Please tell me if I'm missing any glaring plot points that nullify any part of this, or any other reason in general. Hope you enjoyed and have a magnificent upcoming weekend :D

We know that at the beginning of RSE/ORAS, that Norman and the player character just moved to Hoenn. This begs the question of: Who was the gym leader that Norman replaced when he moved back to Hoenn?

Most people in galar and paldea have a rotom phone, which literaly is traping a rotom inside a phone to make it work, but what kind of company would do that?

You enslave a pokemon for all its utility span only to fly arround you and take photos and everyone is ok with that? Like that is borderline warhammer 40k servitors levels of metal,

tho you could argue its a mutualistic relationship since rotom gets food and real state but its still wild

So, we learned in Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire that Archie and Maxie did used to be on the same team, so it got me thinking.

Obviously, they both wanted to shape the world. Working together, they might have wanted to fully split the world into a half land/half water "utopia," or at least mostly half/half, as thats the only goal I can see them agreeing on.

A lot of people like to say Team Delta, which is them trying to get Rayquaza.
But Rayquaza, kinda sucks? He can stop Groudon/Kyogre, but can't... help them at all with anything resembling their goals.

I propose that they were on the hunt for another Legendary, one that technically didn't even exist when Ruby/Sapphire came out, but still has its ties to Hoenn.

Team Gaia, where Archie and Maxie tried to uncover the secrets of Regigigas to reshape the world.

With a shiny 10% Zygarde appearing in the anime and Rayquaza, a pokémon with a mega evolution, being a big plot point I'm sure it will be tied to Legends Z-A but I also think they may use Terapagos for time travelling, because of the DLC we know Terapagos does have some powers that either travel through time or realities, I like to imagine that in that case it was a different timeline, but in the past of that timeline(basically, that timeline is in the same point of the story that our is, but we took a peak at it's past instead)

At some point, Liko and co. will probably accidentally go to the past because of Terapagos, since terapagos is with Liko all of the time it's not unlikely time travel shenanigans will ensue in the time travel region, Dot and Roy are also likely to come, because you can't take away too many main characters at once.

They're gonna arrive in Kalos, and find Serena's counterpart from the game with the core Zygarde(which NEEDS to be called Squishy please please), and have a little arc about the Lumiose Renewal and trying to get back home

(ok images arent allowed here so please accept this humble transcription in case you need it and a link to the actual slides in order if you dont want to read the transcription https://www.reddit.com/user/Zorubark/comments/1eltig4/why_i_think_necrozma_or_at_least_some_alolan/ )

Hello, I think the UBs will appear in Legends Z-A and while nothing is certain and we barely have information about it and it looks like I'm tweaking I'll bring you some cool especulation that makes sense

First, I must show you the connection between Lumiose city and Necrozma, the Prism Pokémon

Lumiose City is the city of light, and it's most important landmark is the Prism Tower, that's pretty self explanatory, they're both Prisms with a light theme

In Necrozma's dex entries, it talks a lot about how it needs light to survive and how it goes on rampages for light and how it devours Lunala's and Solgaleo's light, iit would make sense that it would try to devour Lumiose's light, the city infamous for it's blackouts

That paragraph that mentions it's light affecting nature is also a bit suspicious considering Zygarde protects the ecosystem and nature

In Legends Arceus, legendaries from the generation that came right after the original gen the game is based on(Gen 4), appeared with relevance, even if post-game. Gen 7 not only had Zygarde lore, but is also the next generation after X and Y. I think maybe they'll use the Ultra Beasts as a way to finally explain why the hell Zygarde was in Alola, yeah, Pokémon Z got scrapped that's the main reason, and Alola's ecosystem was threatned by Ultra Beasts coming but so was Paldea's and Zygarde has nothing to do with Paldea and wasn't there, a reason could be that Zygarde has fought with the UBs in Kalos before and is in Alola because it's tracking an old enemy of theirs.

And the reason why Necrozma would be in PLZA is to steal the light from the recently redeveloped Lumiose

The phenomenon of Totem Pokémon is also said to have been caused by being bathed in the energy spilled from Ultra Wormholes, specifically that glowing aura they have and their larger size, it's possible that instead of Alpha Pokémon we may have Totems or something similar to totems but with another name to fit Kalos better.

And the boss fights, instead of Noble Pokémon, could in my opinion be Ultra Beasts or Mega Pokémon, but having Mega Pokémon without a trainer doesn't fit the lore, so Ultra Beasts feel more likely in my mind, at least. Wild Megas don't fit the current lore because Mega Evolution requires a bond with a trainer.

Necrozma could steal Lumiose's light and Zygarde comes into play to stop it's light from affecting the ecosystem

Maybe the player will partner up with Zygarde kinda like how you in a way partner up with Arceus to help with the timespace anomalies and Volo, but instead of Arceus just dropping you, Zygarde could be with you in your journey, but as the core, and along the game you get more cells and get 10% Zygarde, eventually 50%, and in the end 100%. Since Zygarde isn't a deity with it's own realm to chill in while you do it's bidding.

But there's also a chance that the plot will include Zygarde disapproving of the renovation because it affects nature and the wild pokémon in Lumiose.

A crazier idea: Necrozma uses Xernea's or Yveltal's infinity energy

I think that's less probable but interesting

I think we're getting Mega Xerneas and Mega Yveltal

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so i have a new theory not sure if this has been thought of before but what if the pokemon anime is an in verse tv show the the true cannon universe is the games. I feel like this theory holds more weight then both the ho-oh wish theory and the coma theory. The ho-oh wish theory has a lot of flaws like no one realizing he always 10 years old and many others. The ash in a coma theory holds together a lot better though and there are minimal to no flaws except one.

How everything looks you see if it was indeed a coma induced dream there shouldn't be such drastic changes in how things look and you can see this is consistent where there aren't a lot of changes but there are some that are just to large in my books like how pikachu went from a fat little dude to skinny for every other season of the anime. If there was a discrepancy like this it should fluctuate where pikachu is sometimes fat and sometimes skinny but it should either fluctuate randomly or be a constant of one state or the other but he is only fat once.

The other thing adding to this theory is the "art" now you could say that this is just a change in art style or the artists getting better and while some of that is true there are minute and drastic changes in how ash and the rest of the cast of repeating characters look and the reason for that is cause once an actor out grows the age of the characters they have to be replaced leading from minute changes to drastic ones like what we see in gen 1 pikachu and ash vs alola pikachu and ash.

This could also explain why we never see ash's father because it has been theorized that ash's father is red but he refused in them using his likeness for their tv show and so they can only ever elude to who his father is. There is also no way that ash really experienced all those world breaking events always being in the right place at the right time.

Even if it was a coma some of those events are just so mindboggling that i don't think a brain in a coma could come up with something like that like team galactic controlling primordial gods dialga and palkia to wink out all of existence.

So when I was a little girl I watched a lot of poketube mostly rumors and speculation on pokemon stars/pokemon ultra sun and ultra moon though I would also watch some pokemon theories and one question that came up frequently was why ash didn't age this lead to me forming my own headcannon that ash is a robot that I had for.years nowi cant rember if i saw the lore keeper's April fools theory before or after hearing about the ash is a clone one but that video was a big instigator though before that I would scrounge through smaller theories to see how many people think the same thing as me but anyone wrong story short since I held on to that headcannon for so long it is now a plot point in my anipoke rewrite and I was wondering since this is the better place to talk about outlandish theories I was wondering what you would think of my idea and if you have anything you wanna see from my idea I really wanna chat about it

Generation 2 features Pokémon Gold and Silver, starring the tower duo Ho-oh and Lugia. And as an enhanced version, we see Pokémon Crystal starring... Suicune? Suicune is supposed to be under rule of Ho-oh. Not above it.

The Tower Duo features Lugia, the leader of Kanto's side-legendary trio: The Legendary Birds. And also Ho-oh, the leader of Johto's side legendary trio: The Legendary Beasts. What comes after Johto? Hoenn. And therefore the 3rd legendary of the Tower Trio should be the leader of Hoenn's side legendary trio: The Titan Trio. Who just so happens to be Regigigas.

And why does Regigigas not appear in Johto and instead appears 2 regions away from it? It's ability slow start meant Regigigas wasn't able to arrive there in time for Pokémon Crystal, and Suicune had to take it's place as Johto's third legendary.

"And Arceus Looked upon the world it made; and saw it was good." -Pokornithians 1:4 or something I dunno.

I am of the personal belief that there is a strange connection between Arceus and Eevee, not unlike that of Ditto and Mew. I'll just lay my evidence out, and let you draw your own conclusions. Add your own evidence if you wish. I really want to fuel this thread pulling machine that is my headcanon. The evidence isn't amazing, but it's what I got.

Type changing: Eevee evolves into different typed forms using items. Specifically different elemental stones. Arceus changes its type using different items. Specifically Stone Plates.

Vee: In the manga, there was an Eevee called "Vee" who (albiet, due to genetic tampering) could evolve and devolve, at will, without needing the stones. I'd attach a image, but I can't.

And Minor Evidence:

Eevee's Shiny is Silver, similar to Arceus's Main body.

We have never seen Eevee's Normal type Evolution. What could Gamefreak be hiding from us? Could it be possible Eevee is a Juvenile Arceus?

And defense for this theory:

A. Just because eevee was added in a prior gen, doesn't make this theory (Type:)Null and Void. The Pokemon Company likes to Retcon things quite a bit. Baby Pre-evolutions, Conflicting Pokedex Entries (See Electabuzz) and so much more.

B. It may say Eevee changes due to unstable DNA, but the Pokedex LIES. Do you actually take it for gospel? It is a false prophet, because it's being bought off by Team Rocket. Also, See Electabuzz. Or the Pokemon Heights.

Yeah. All I have. I'll edit this with any evidence you bring to my attention. Thanks.

-Q.

My theory is that all the people and Pokemon In surges gym were part of his platoon and surge got the Gym due to contributing