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(Up) Charles Muntz Theories

Firstly, Charles Muntz is much more than what is shown on screen. In reality, by looking a little deeper, we realize that the Film Up (Pixar) is absolutely not for children.

Charles Muntz is a rich, famous explorer, adventurer and paleontologist, recognized in the scientific community. He traveled the globe aboard his spectacular airship, discovering the treasures of our planet, whether they be priceless archaeological relics, incredible scientific discoveries or never before seen animal and plant species. Yet when he brought back the strange skeleton of a creature from the mountains of South America, he was completely scientifically discredited. Determined to prove that everyone was wrong, Muntz returns to the site of his discovery, ready to do anything to bring back alive the specimen that will restore his prestige...

If at first glance he may appear to be a rather charming and friendly man, in reality he is nothing of the sort. He is only a man consumed by resentment, wounded in his ego, a mythomaniac, a sadist and an enormous paranoid. With much more detail later...

First clue, which means that Charles Muntz is a murderer and an extremely parnoid person. In the middle of the film, when through clumsiness, Russell accidentally admits during the meal that the famous bird (Kevin) is with them, and that it is during this stupidity that Charles Muntz reveals in a completely nonchalant manner , that he killed some explorers..... Good. Already, this scene is much deeper than that, when you think about it a little. When Muntz implies that during his life he killed explorers (a botanist, a surveyor, etc.) and that these, according to him, were just vulgar, completely invented stories, in speaking of explorers.

So, he was so paranoid, to the point of believing for himself, that the explorers who came to these places were looking for the bird and that they were not really there for their occoupations, but for his bird. . Also sarcastically suggesting the idea that Carl was only there to steal his bird, as Russell's companion, by having invented his whole story. Well, it's not over, because it only mentions two explorers. A small detail, but very important, in the background, and I am not able to prove it, but we can see very clearly, dozens of other explorers' helmets. Which means there are actually more than two? And that he would have killed around ten explorers, or more, during his life? At this point, he transitions to the status of a serial killer and not a simple murderer. Moreover, the small detail, which makes him even more perverse and vicious, is the fact that he waited quietly, without hurrying, for the arrival of other explorers. So, for years and years, Charles Muntz, while looking for the bird, waited patiently in his corner, before being warned of the visit of intruders on the premises and that they were killing them, like a simple formality.

Besides, speaking of which, what does he do with the corpses of all these explorers? This is a question worth asking. I think that food in this kind of place, in the middle of the jungle, is not abundant and therefore, it is limited, given the immensity of this place. And then, moreover, I don't think either, that there is a huge reserve of food, for more than 50 years. Even for his faithful dogs. So, that's when a theory comes up, a little crazy and scary... but, could Charles Muntz be a cannibal? And that he would give the rest of the corpses to his dogs? Will he eat the corpses of the explorers he killed to survive and feed? This seems entirely plausible to me.

There's one detail that bothers me. Could Charles Muntz be a pathological liar? Because how can you prove the existence of something if it doesn't exist? Let me explain. When he was young, when he was falsely accused of building the skeleton of an unknown bird, to gain recognition and fame. But when you think about it, Kevin was a young mother when Carl and Russell discovered him. So how did she live for over 60 years?! This means that Charles Muntz would have concocted this story of this mysterious creature and would have made its skeleton to be famous, and once he would have been discredited by the scientific community, by promising to return with the bird captured alive, and that once he returned to these places, years later, he would have realized that the bird really existed, knowing that he had been telling the truth all along, but that no one believed him, also knowing that he had lied.

Isn't there a detail that bothers you? Something comes to mind about dogs. Do you agree that dogs don't live as long as humans? Even much less? They only live for 10-12 years, so how could they have lived for over 50 years?! In time, couldn't all the dogs have survived in an environment like this, in a real labyrinth? They would be dead already. And then, they cannot reproduce among themselves, knowing that there is no female in the troop of dogs. So, what makes me put forward the theory, that Charles Muntz, would have carried out horrible and cruel experiments on dogs, so that they would live longer or that they would reproduce between males? So, he would be cruel, to the point of mistreating animals to make them obey his orders, regarding the bird.

Also, I come back to this subject, but.... the explorers, who came and who Muntz killed, are they indeed people who have gone missing? So, I believe, who they were technically researched. But this also means that Muntz hid, so as not to be suspected, during all these years of life, even though he had killed a lot of people. Even if I have doubts about the fact that all these missing explorers were actively sought, does that mean that Muntz would also have killed the people who were looking for these explorers? Which makes him even more dangerous than he originally was.

And then, at the moment when he reveals his true face, in the scene, we notice that the helmets of the two explorers he speaks of, whom he killed, are placed on supports, openly. So, which means, he proudly and without any shame exhibited the explorers he had killed. Which makes him even more psychopathic.

I think a mini-series on the story of this character would be very interesting, I'm sure of it. Of course, it's not for children. Even Muntz's original ending, the overpowered one, was partly too dark and not suitable for children. So, in conclusion, Charles Muntz is a broken person, in a tragic story, completely resentful, having full of resentment against people who did not believe in him, wanting to show the whole world that he was right. Unfortunately, because of this obsession, he transformed into a serial killer, sadistic, pyscopathic, paranoid and dangerous. It was literally the thirst for glory that made him like this.

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2024/04/29
13:45 UTC

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One Punch Man, GOD Theory

If you clicked on this despite the spoiler that's on you. So my theory is that none of the enemies Saitama has faced up to the current chapters have actually been the "Worth Sacrifce" that GOD needs to enter the world, Saitama himself is. Here is my reasoning, firstly Saitama has been shown to grow stronger based on the challenge he faces down, this is best demonstrated during his fight with Garou, the bargraph charting his power ends up going off the panel, demonstrating that while they were pretty evenly matched at the beginning of the battle through the fight Saitama grows much stronger. I think that GOD is trying to increase Saitama's power so that he can take his body, and enter their world, he's trying to raise his limiter to the point he can contain GOD's being. The final battle will be Saitama VS God for control of his body, and the fate of the universe.

Let me know what you think, this is a very rough theory and it probably has a lot of holes.

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2024/04/29
13:11 UTC

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Moulin Rouge: Christian Made It All Up

This isn't my original theory, this is an offshoot of a theory that circulated 10 years ago, but after watching the musical it made a lot more sense. The movie is Christian's twisted version of the story and the musical is what actually happened.

The movie starts with Christian writing the story on the typewriter he apparently sold to watch the show. He talks about how he was a rich kid from England who wants to go to Paris to learn about love for the first time, but he just wrote that down to make himself more likeable as a protagonist. He actually grew up in poverty in Lima, Ohio, and he came to Paris to escape the police since he committed a crime. Instead of getting pulled into a production of the show against his will, he found two artists, a writer and a choreographer, and spontaneously sang for them to get noticed. It's also important that Santiago is referred to by his name in the musical but he doesn't have a name in the movie, this is because Christian wants the book to focus solely on himself and his "relationship" with Satine. Then they sneak into the Moulin Rouge, in the movie they walk in and nothing happens but in the musical Zidler tries to kick them out since Toulouse is permanently banned.

The Duke is unlikeable in the movie but in reality he's actually a good person. He's just a guy who was put in an arranged marriage to save the club, but when he meets Satine for the first time he's presented with a musical pitch instead. Satine also genuinely likes the Duke, she just feels a little out of place in high society. Christian was just projecting his bad qualities onto the Duke (obsessive, jealous, clingy, a stalker, murderous). The Duke is given the same treatment as Santiago; his name, Andre, is referenced in the musical but in the movie he is just referred to as the Duke so Christian can portray him as a monster instead of a human. Also in the elephant scene Satine shows more signs of TB in the movie than the musical; this is because Christian wanted to portray her as weak and frail so he can be the knight in shining armour who saves her. In reality he probably didn't know she had TB until the end.

In the movie it's Nini who tells the Duke about how Christian wrote his affair with Satine into the show, but in the musical the Duke figures it out himself because he's a lot smarter than Christian makes him out to be in the book. Even though Nini is jealous of Satine, she would never sabotage her like that; in reality it was Christian who ad libbed lines into the script about how the Duke treats Satine like a "pet". Christian did write that he yelled "BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T LOVE YOU!", but he did that to make himself look like the peacemaker (note that the room falls silent after he says that in the movie but not in the musical); in reality he was the one who caused the drama and refused to take responsibility for his own actions so he blamed it on Nini (misogyny was prominent in 1899 so he probably blamed her because he thought a woman would be more likely to start drama than him). Christian also cut Santiago and Nini's relationship from the book because surprise! He wants the book to be all about him.

This is where it gets a little complicated: for the next few scenes Christian is wasted on absinthe. Remember even though the book isn't in the musical Christian is still narrating, so in the scenes where he's drunk he probably twisted the reality he was told into a "reality" that paints himself as the hero. First things first: the Duke never threw acid in anyone's face. That was a story Christian wrote (using Nini as the scapegoat again) but it was cut from the book either for being too dark or because the CEO of the publishing company knew the Duke and knew he would never do that. Also the Duke never tried to assault Satine; after Christian broke into the Duke's apartment and Satine said to him "You mean nothing to me. I feel nothing for you. You are nothing.", he became even more jealous and wrote that the Duke tried to assault her to make him look bad.

The end of both Christian's version of the story and the reality of the situation both show his true colours. In the movie Christian hijacks the stage to pay for Satine since he knew she only saw him as another client, he just wanted to make her look like a terrible person. He then wrote that Satine sang the song he wrote and they finally ended up together while Zidler punched the Duke in the face (let's be real here, someone as money obsessed as Zidler wouldn't punch their investor in the face). In reality he was already on stage since he was in the show (he made Santiago the leading actor in his book to make himself look humble and selfless, and he wrote that he hijacked the stage as a hero move) and he threatened to kill them both "in the name of love". In reality he was probably only planning to kill her since he thought that is he couldn't love her nobody else would. Also, Satine probably didn't die in the end, she got married to the Duke. Christian wrote that "the woman he loved was...dead" because she was dead to him.

Christian really didn't believe in truth, beauty, freedom and love. He only wanted to get his own way.

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2024/04/29
11:32 UTC

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Terminator The Sarah Connor Chronicles

What's everyones theories on how the story is would have ended if the show hadn't been cancelled. I really enjoyed the show and still think it's some of the best work within the franchise.

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2024/04/29
08:48 UTC

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[The Batman] Riddler knows Bruce Wayne is The Batman

In the Riddler's apartment, towards the end of the movie, there's a newspaper on the wall that asks "who is the Batman?", and right above it is a picture of Bruce Wayne. Written on the wall next to the newspaper is "I know the REAL you"

In the next scene, when Batman visits him in Arkham, Riddler says to him, "They'll remember both of us... Bruce Wayne. Bruuuce Waaaayne." As if he's taunting him. Then when he's talking about how awful being an orphan was, he says, "Let's talk about the billionaire with the lying dead daddy because at least the money makes it go down easy, doesn't it? Bruce Wayne."

And when he says "He's the only one we didn't get", I have two theories:

  1. He has too much respect for him, and believes they're fighting for the same cause, so he doesn't want to give away his secret identity.
  2. He Also tells him "You and I both know, I'm looking at the real you." This could mean that the Riddler sees Bruce Wayne as only a persona, not some billionaire rich kid. He believes his true identity is The Batman. Which it is. So when he says "He's the only one we didn't get", it's because to him, "the billionaire with the lying dead daddy" doesn't exist anymore, only The Batman.
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2024/04/29
04:59 UTC

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'Akira' (1988) holds a key to sync the Zodiac with the I-Ching.

The main symbol in ‘Akira’ is the bike.
The bike has two wheels - bear with me here:
The wheels on the bike are ancient Eastern and Western Oracles working together. Akira ‘zips up’ the I-Ching and the Zodiac, synching hexagrams 25-28 with the first 4 signs (Aries - Cancer). The hexagrams are represented by the “Espers”:
#25 is Kiyoko, or “Innocence”. The lines describes the descent of Spring Energy into Earth.
#26 is Takashi, or “Great Potential”. The lines describe the transformed Energy becoming restless and wandering, carrying Great Potential.
#27 is Masaru, or “Nourishing Vision”. This one’s a little more abstract. Basically the nourishment is shared between all three Espers as “milk”. In the zodiac, this “milk” fills the Moon, who rules the sign of Cancer. This is when the Sun is reaching its height in early summer, so the Moon must symbolically “meet it” with its fullness. Masaru is awaiting the energy. Takashi carries the Energy, but he won’t release it because it’s corrupted. By fate, Tetsuo collides with Takashi and the potential is transferred to him.
Kiyoko is immobile because she’s given up the Spring energy, now she’s settling like a Taurus. Takashi wanders the streets at night because he represents Taurus coming into Gemini, but his connections are shallow and need depth. The Moon’s energy is the depth and empathy (low-level) Gemini’s “lack” in their relationships. (Trump, Kanye.. Me??? We 're shallow and like to collect information).
Masaru is immobile because he’s still awaiting the energy.
#28 is Akira, or “Critical Mass”. This is Cancer -> Leo, the only signs ruled respectively by the Moon and the Sun, which are the symbols making up the kanji for ‘Akira’ 明
The characters represent the signs. Tetsuo is a Leo, who just got his Sun prematurely (skipping Cancer and the Moon). Kaneda is a Virgo, alarmed the Leo suddenly has the Sun (and won’t give it up to Virgo). Tetsuo searches for a secret “Moon” buried underground.
Colonel Shikashima is Scorpio. Super intense. When Virgo fails to release the Sun from Leo, Scorpio SOL blasts both of them. Kai is Capricorn. The final earth sign, associated with big business, capitalism, growth, materialism.
Kai charges Kaneda’s battery.
Kaneda’s laser triggers the growth.
Dr. Onishi is Aquarius, Opposite of Leo. He’s intrigued by Tetsuo’s new Sun and is taking little action to bring it forward. This is why Scorpio gets so frustrated. Aquarius is the water-bearer. He’s supposed to make a sacrifice and dump the water for Pisces to swim around in. Aquarius doesn’t, so he gets ’squeezed’ as the torrential flood sweeps away the old city.
Kei is Pisces, opposite of Virgo. Virgo saves her from the sewers, then the Espers possess her. She represents the end of the cycle. Kaneda retrieves Tetsuo’s purified Sun (containing him, Kaori, and the three Espers). Pisces and Virgo (and Capricorn) take the new sun back into Neo-Tokyo at dawn.
Kaori is probably a Cancer, but her birthdate is a mystery. But it makes perfect sense. Tetsuo crushes her and eats her instead of respecting her.
Projecting this forward, the sequence ends with 36, “Darkness”, or Pisces.
A number of other hexagrams are represented: Esper 19 is Miyako, released early in the city to "prime it" for Akira's return. Hexagram 19 is "Approach". Tetsuo's hospital door is 887. Hexagram 23 is "Pulling apart", and my translation of the I-Ching (John Minford's) puts the crisis in the context of someone in bed needing to better understand the meaning of the "images" (Tetsuo's hallucinations, which are the Espers..."... it goes on.
The hexagram sequence provides a unique take on the drama behind the Zodiac and the I-Ching, and it’s fascinating.

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2024/04/29
02:44 UTC

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Spock's unpronounceable Vulcan name ( S'Chn T'Gai )

The reason Spock's Vulcan name is unpronounceable is because it is not spoken or written but telepathic. Amanda's claims to be able to pronounce it "After a fashion, and after many years of practice" is either due to the telepathic bond she has with her husband - he being able to coax out any vestiges of latent telepathy in her/her being able to "hear" what he says when they touch and/or meld - or because she has invented for herself a "broken Vulcan" transliteration for the name.

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2024/04/28
23:40 UTC

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[CatDog] Biology Analysis, Ischiopagus Chimeric Conjoined Twins

I have watched every episode of CatDog and now feel prepared to give my stupidly in-depth insight into how these cartoon characters work. Including the pooping thing. Their specific type of conjoining in real life is ischiopagus, which is one of the rarest at 1 in 10 conjoined twin births. In real life it always results in death and they must be separated to survive. So CatDog living to adulthood while connected would be absurd.

Join me for this pointless deep dive into overanalysing children's cartoons. I will also include names of individual episodes as evidence.

https://imgur.com/a/Sv5CaHp Here is an MS paint doodle of all the information I have compiled so far.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3418005/ For quick reading on their real condition.

First off, their birth parents are unknown but I believe they were born this way. One episode implies they part of a 'gene-splice' project (Smarter Than the Average Dog) that combined a normal cat and dog when young and then they were abandoned. Whether they were artificially created or not though they have an uncle HorseDuck, implying their condition is hereditary (Moving On Up). Real science does not know yet if genetics can cause conjoined twins.

Right, the big one is the poop discussion. The creator Peter Hannan has posed various theories, the most recent one as of 2021 is that Cat shits for both of them out of his mouth (https://thehardtimes.net/culture/catdog-creators-reveal-that-cat-is-the-one-who-shits-from-his-mouth/) and apparently most staff working on the show at the time agreed. He is the miserable one but was shown cheerful as a baby (Ballad of Ole 150), showing his mental degradation. And his nickname is Cat Butt by bullies the Greaser Dogs, Dog is never referred to as the butt.

Their bone structure and organs are shown several times, they each have a pair of ribs and the digestive tract is shared but they have no lower half (You're Fired). Cat can feel when Dog's bladder is full (Golden Hydrant) but they have separate ones, as on this occasion Cat's was empty. Cat I believe they each have separate kidneys. They have separate hearts, and livers, as it can be guessed in a few episodes that Dog has a higher metabolism than Cat. Cat puts on weight more easily, if Dog eats too much only Cat will get fat (Pumped, Cat Diggety Dog). They had one spleen and donated it to science (CatDog's End). They have a spine only according to the MightyJaxx Xray toys.

They pee out of their armpits independently, as shown in a couple episodes with them raising their arms or placing them over a toilet (Sweet and Lola, Golden Hydrant). An animal who came out of a public restroom they were using once commented it looked painful which could be for passing urine (Great Parent Mystery). They can fart from their midsection implying there is a third shared hole (CatDog Cousteau). They have the ability to climb through their own mouth, travel through their insides and come inside-out through the other twin's mouth (Teeth for Two, Harasslin' Match) but this causes discomfort. If they don't digest solids or liquid properly it will travel straight through one mouth and out the other, they have used this to feed each other against the other's will (various).

If one dies, the other one can survive somehow although this is not the case for real life conjoined twins (Remain Seated). In one episode even though it was a dream, Dog was able to mate and have conjoined twin babies implying they have at least one reproductive organ (Shriek Loves Dog). On a reflex test on Dog, Cat reacted to the pain and shares pain receptors, however this may only apply to Cat as Dog is never shown in pain much (CatDog's End) except for sharing sensation with Cat's gums sometimes (Teeth for Two). Their brain matter is shared, in one episode Dog got smart and was able to siphon Cat's brains through their body making Cat dumb (Smarter Than the Average Dog) but their natural state is Cat is slightly above average intelligence while Dog has an underdeveloped brain. There is surgery available to separate them, the only reason they don't is because Dog likes being conjoined (CatDog's End) and would simply get another cat to be conjoined to. Cat also has no friends and everyone besides Dog hates him so he would be isolated. Think that's everything!

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2024/04/28
18:57 UTC

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[Star Wars] The force is just gravity

In episode 4, Obi-Wan tells Luke that the force is what "binds the galaxy together" which links to real life where galaxies are brought together via gravity. We know gravity exists in the SW universe with how all the planets seem to have the same amount keeping everything on the ground and how characters float in space. So I think the force is gravity but being used by the sentient mind.

Usually gravity makes objects be brought together as seen by how it works in our universe, but in SW it can be manipulated by Jedi and Sith. The theory of telekinesis says that we use only 10% of our brains and if we could use more we could have superpowers, so I think Jedi and Sith are like people who are able to use more brain power, like 100% or something, the stronger they are the more brain power they use.

I think Midi-Chlorians being inside them allows this as they're microscopic life forms that are like vessels for the force and being like bacteria that's how they spread in life forms, some people are more immune than others to bacteria and such so the less immune end up being more force sensitive.

The main force power is a lot like gravity, being able to move things. Gravity influences the movement of atmospheres which can allow lightning to happen, a dark side power. Another dark side power is choking, which is gravity being forced on the neck. Then the mind trick could be gravity pushing the brain about to cause confusion and force heal is using gravity to close wounds.

Another thing, the fact gravity is often all about up and down sort of mirrors the light and dark side, the light being up and dark being down.

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2024/04/28
16:32 UTC

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Bridge of Terabithia

This might be stupid or what ever but I'm just thinking what if Leslie didn't die and when Jess fell from the tree he wacked the ground and fell into a coma and we're seeing everything from his mind

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2024/04/28
04:37 UTC

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Dr. Octavius was on the cusp of fusion energy, he just didn't account for scale

I was watching Spider-Man 2 the other day, and over the course of the movie I realized that Dr. Octavius was actually incredibly close to creating a self sustaining fusion reaction that could be well contained.

First, lets see the first machine he makes. He puts the arms on, adds a small amount of tritium, then activates the machine. As the first few moments of the test go, it becomes apparent that the reactor is creating a massive magnetic field, and the containment field breaks down. The rest of the scene plays out, with Spider-Man deactivating the machine and saving the day and all.

I think the important thing to note here is that the thing that fails is containment of the fusion reaction. Dr. Octavius didn't fail in making a fusion reaction at all, he just didn't have the adequate containment system in place for the reaction. So, later in the film, the Doctor aims to remake his machine, except this time he aims to make it larger. In this scene you can clearly see that the second machine is larger, nearly two stories tall, whereas the first machine looks much smaller.

Now, the rest of the movie plays out. The machine gets activated, the reaction breaks containment, this time when it's unplugged the reaction is self sustaining, forcing Dr. Octavius to drown the device. And its shown in both scenes where the machine is started that the large arms are responsible for starting and maintaining the reaction, as well as generating the containment field. So, why did the larger machine fail? It had more energy and equipment designed to maintain the containment field. its because the Doctor used far too much tritium. He scaled the amount of tritium (the stuff designed to start the reaction as a fuel) up with the machine.

Look at this scene, the amount of tritium being used in the first machine is miniscule compared to the amount that Doc Oc uses in the second machine here. If the Doctor used a similar amount of tritium for the second reactor as he did for the first, then there's a serious chance that the larger machine would have been able to generate a containment field strong enough to maintain the reaction without it destroying the city.

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2024/04/27
22:05 UTC

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Sleepless In Seattle needs a sequal.

I'd like to see a sequel of Sleepless In Seattle in one of two ways.

The first would be from Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan's characters 30 years later, after they meet at the Empire State Building. I want to know what happens after they meet and in the following years. I'd like to see them end up getting married and living happily ever after. Or maybe they realize they're too different and it doesn't work. But I want to see where they go after the end of the first film.

The second way would be from Jonah's perspective as an adult, going through what Tom Hanks went through in the first film. Jonah would turn to his father for advice, and would end up with someone like what happened in the original.

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2024/04/27
18:01 UTC

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[Princess and The Frog] Mama Odie’s History

In the movie, we see in the newspaper that Woodrow Wilson was inaugurated, this happened in 1917. So this gives us a timeline for the movie (it also helps us establish that Tiana’s dad died in WWI) When Mama Odie is introduced she tells us that she’s 197 years old. This would mean that she was born in 1716. Assuming that she lived in Louisiana her entire life, this would mean that she was the child of an enslaved person. We know that the french were in control of Louisiana at this time and that the French trafficked people from the Senegambia region to New Orleans in 1719. This theory is so interesting and tracks in my mind because animism and voodoo originates in West Africa as the original religious ideals of west africans before Christianity and Islam. With that being said. I believe Mama Odie was the daughter of a Voodoo Priestess who was captured and sold in the Trans Atlantic Slave trade and was transplanted to new orleans

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2024/04/27
02:17 UTC

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Brad Pitt's Troy (2004) is about the Russian Revolution of 1917

Troy is far more than just an adaptation of The Iliad. Actually, it tells us about the Russian Revolution of 1917 and its aftermath. When we analyze the plot and characters, it becomes evident that there are obvious parallels between the events of the film and the historical occurrences that saw the end of the czarist monarchy and the rise of communism in Russia.

Right from the start, we can clearly identify the class conflict. The Greek leaders, mainly Agamemnon and Menelaus, represent the warrior feudal elite that seek to expand their dominion through war and the conquest of foreign territories. On the other hand, Achilles emerges as the popular hero, whose loyalty is directed towards his fellow warriors and his own pride. Achilles represents the Russian proletariat, which rose up against the oppression and exploitation of the upper class. Achilles' refusal to fight under Agamemnon's orders is a pivotal moment that reflects the tensions between soldiers and officers during the Russian Revolution. Just as many soldiers refused to obey the orders of their superiors, Achilles defies established authority in the name of his own values and principles. The prince Hector is actually a representation of Czar Nicholas II. Despite his personal qualities, he was destined to fall to the revolutionary forces, much as like the czar.

The destruction of Troy at the hands of the Greeks symbolizes the downfall of the czarist regime and the end of feudalism. The Greeks represent the revolutionary forces that overthrew the old order and established a new society.

The similarities between the characters and historical events are undeniable as you can see.

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2024/04/26
08:20 UTC

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[Star Wars] Darth Vader isn't literally Anakin Skywalker. Vader is an ancient Sith who Sidious "put" into the body of Anakin to reside in, much like a force essence transfer. Essentially, Anakin was used as a vessel to be possessed.

Basically: Darth Vader is an entity completely different from Anakin Skywalker. He has been granted the ability to use Anakin's body as a host, much like a trial run, by Darth Sidious. This is to test out whether or not a Sith spirit can reside long-term inside a vessel of a high Midichlorian count. Sidious did this to make sure that when time comes, HE could do it successfully too on Anakin. Of course, Anakin failed and disappointed with the injuries, Sidious "punishes" Anakin/Vader but letting them inhibit each other's bodies.

Remember when Anakin gives in to the dark side and kneels in front of Sidious? And then Sidious pauses and almost as if reaching out with the force, procures a name. "Vader".

We know that Sidious has been trying to master the ability to transfer life essence into a new vessel for quite some time. He was clearly grooming Anakin for this, but think about it, why not just capture him right there? Why did he need to even go through the process of making him some Sith? The reason is that Sidious still didn't know if the transfer would backfire or not. He wanted to be sure that Anakin's body couldn't fight off process.

So he did something else, Sidious used his dark Sith arts and the force to call upon an already dead Sith, Vader and allow him to use Anakin's body. Almost as a test run. The rest is history.

Anakin is basically possessed by an ancient Sith lord, and the only reason this possession is successful is because Anakin is full of rage and fear. This is also why Anakin and Vader seem to always come in and out of their respective personalities. There are times when Anakin briefly gains some semblance of control, but he's too far gone from his perspective to do anything, where the Vader personality is the cruel and malevolent force that lashes out and kills everything.

The novelization has this to say:

''Darth Sidious laid a pale hand on Anakin's brow. "Then it is done. You are now one with the Order of the Dark Lords of the Sith. From this day forward, the truth of you, my apprentice, now and forevermore, will be Darth ..." A pause; a questioning in the Force - An answer, dark as the gap between galaxies - He heard Sidious say it: his new name. Vader.'.

Sidious basically plucked out the force essence of an existing Sith and gave it to Anakin.

This is why "Vader" was willing to harm younglings and not Anakin. This is why Vader even tells to Obi Wan that he killed Anakin, because he quite literally killed Anakin's legacy as a Jedi. And the idea that one Sith can inhibit in another Sith is not unheard of. In Episode 9 Sidious even claims to be "all the Sith"

I like to think he somehow had every Sith spirit in him. It make sense to me, that Sith wouldn't want to become one with the Force upon death, so they cling to what little physical existence they can have, even if that means they stuck in someone else's body.

On top of that it, in my head canon, when Palpatine is naming Darth Vader, his voice is doing some weird stuff. I like to think that in that moment, some of those Sith spirits are coming up to the surface, and we are hearing them, as if in one accord they are naming Vader.

It also fits musical with Palpatine. He's theme is often dominated by a low male chorus. Almost like they are those Sith spirits.

Sidious is basically testing out of a Sith life essence can work being transferred, and his first success is Anakin.

Another thing, Sidious's demeanor towards Vader changes considerably between Ep 1-3 and onwards. Him and Anakin used to have an almost father-son relationship. Sidious was always respectful, even friendly and kind. But Sidious is always demeaning and patronizing to Vader, treating him like a fool or pathetic failure. The reason is twofold. Firstly, Sidious is showcasing his disdain for Anakin losing his limbs and being injured at Mustafar, which ruined Sidious's main plans of taking over this body. This hatred always bugs Sidious and he is quick to show it, but secondly, remember, Sidious is no longer taking to "Anakin", he's just talking to the spirit of Darth Vader, another ancient Sith that Sidious frankly doesn't really give a damn about. This is why Sidious had such a big shift in how he saw Anakin pre and post Revenge of the Sith film.

The force possession of Vader existed as long as Sidious had control over it, which is why Sidious was so confident that Vader would never turn against him, he couldn't.

Once Anakin mustered up enough power, heightened with his need to save his son, the love of Anakin overpowered the hate and allowed him to take control of himself from Vader and "kill" Sidious. This broke the possession and Vader no longer remained, probably drifted off into the dark side force ether where he was plucked out of.

When Luke finally confronts "Vader" and takes his mask off, he isn't looking at Vader at all, just the old Anakin.

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2024/04/26
04:02 UTC

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Requiem for a Dream (2000) Harry and the rest of the characters were meant to be NPD or Schizophrenic untreated or BPD untreated cases.

The characters exhibit alot of traits of these conditions, nah not really a professional or trying to be. They all seem to be untreated cases of something or another.

also pretty sure the Mother of Harry is either a widow of a spouse who killed himself or he left her along time ago and she never processed it.

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2024/04/25
23:28 UTC

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Back to the future part 1 endless time loop?

I have read theories stating that at the end of the movie when Marty came back to 1985 and the new Marty left to 1955. Marty 1 basically took over Marty 2s life but I haven't seen any theories about the Mayor. When he goes back to 55' he gave the employee at the diner the idea of becoming a mayor.

In the very beginning of movie he is running for mayor already hence he had been given the idea from Marty back in 1955.

Meaning the Marty we see in the beginning of the movie technically can be the many many Marty's

Confusing and I hope you all know what I am trying to explain.

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2024/04/25
21:55 UTC

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Psycho: the police officer is a figment of Marion Crane's imagination

After seeing Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho at my locally run theater for their classic film month, I noticed that Marion is the sole person to talk to and acknowledge the highway patrol officer in the film. Her first encounter with him waking her up in her car is on an isolated stretch of road, which made me think that the cop is a symbol of Marion's fear of getting caught running away with the money.

The only other scene he's in is when Marion trades her car in the dealership, and none of the people in the car lot even seem to notice when the cop pulls his bike right behind them at the end of the scene. (We do see the salesman looking in the cop's direction after Marion goes into the office, but I think it's plausible that he could just be trying to see what Marion kept looking over her shoulder at while he greeted her.)

spoiler warning for the most spoofed movie twist of all time, lol

After Marion's murder, the characters investigating bring up details like her boss seeing her in the car while he crosses the street, and her visit to the car dealership, but the highway patrol officer is never brought up, which seems like a pretty important witness to leave out when they are piecing together the evidence.

This isn't a big theory that flips the whole movie upside down, but I like to believe that this imposing, unnamed character, who's eyes we never see behind those dark shades, was a symptom of Marion's heightened paranoia during her escape. I was surprised to hear during the mini lecture/discussion after the film that nobody else in the packed theater had thought of or heard of this theory until I brought it up.

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2024/04/25
19:41 UTC

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Some Conspiracy Nut in the "Breaking Bad" Universe Managed to Get it Exactly Right on How Walter White was More or Less Responsible for the Wayfarer 515 Disaster.

#Some dude on the internet probably cracked the case on how there was more blood on Walter White's hands than the public was aware of.

Facts That Were Well Known Within the Breaking Bad Universe:

  • Walter White was a drug kingpin

  • A main associate of his was Jesse Pinkman

  • Wayfarer 515 happened over Albuquerque, the home turf of Heisenberg

  • Donald Margolis was directly responsible

Facts That Were More or Less Known:

  • Margolis was grieving the loss of his daughter, Jane.

  • Jane died from a drug-related incident

  • Jesse was kept as a prisoner towards the end of Heisenberg's reign (Badger & Skinny Pete hear about this on the news in "El Camino").

Facts That Weren't Well Known But Were Probably Public Record

  • Jesse lived in the same building as Jane. Jane accepted Jesse's cash payments and knew how he made his money, but still had to operate the property by the books, due to her dad owning the place and her simply being the property manager. This means that she would've had to submit some sort of public record of who was living in the space.

  • Jesse and Jane were similar ages with similar drug problems.

Facts That Would Take Some Digging But Were Still Out There

  • Walter White gave a very awkward speech after the disaster, trying to explain that it wasn't as bad as it seemed. The Insider Podcast confirms that there were a little over a thousand students at the assembly. Chances are that at least a few of them would talk about this online and to each other. Hell, some of them probably tried to get fifteen minutes of fame out of the situation: ("I Was a Student of Heisenberg.") I'm sure lots of True Crime Documentary and Podcast Crews had them on their shows, as they'd probably be the easiest to get a hold of.

  • Walter White never wore a Wayfarer 515 Ribbon.

The final category is gravy or icing or whatever you wanna put on your food. The smoking gun in all of this is realizing that Jesse and Jane were an item, which connects all the dots together and brings about the conclusion:

#Walter White wanted Jesse Pinkman as his associate. When Jesse became involved with Jane, a woman that threatened to take him out of the business, White, a master drug manufacturer, poisoned her in order to keep Jesse within his grasp. This caused Jane's father, Donald Margolis to have a mental breakdown, leading to the Wayfarer 515 Disaster.

From there, I'm sure that "Breaking Bad" Universe's version of Reddit or 4Chan would have a field day, picking and choosing parts of the theory and modifying some of it. Along the way, someone would get it perfectly:

#Jane's overdose was her own doing, but Walter White was there and could've saved her, choosing not to in order to keep Jesse Pinkman on an emotional leash. A grief-stricken Donald Margolis later caused Wayfarer 515.

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2024/04/25
14:37 UTC

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Don Bluth's Land Before Time is actually about the journey to the Garden of Eden

First things first, this is about Don Bluth's Land Before Time, so the sequels don't count in this theory, because Don Bluth didn't direct those.

During the "Great Earthquake," the dinosaurs all died, including our heroes, Little Foot, Cera, Ducky, Petrie and Spike are all dead, they became lost souls, trapped between the Great Valley (Eden) and Hell, this is why the land outside the Great Valley is so hellish and dangerous, because it is Hell.

This is the reason why Little Foot could hear his mother, because they are all dead, Little Foot's mother's soul is guiding them to paradise. Little Foot's mother is in a place beyond the Great Valley, she's in Heaven.

The Great Valley is a place before time because it is the Garden of Eden. The title "Land Before Time," refers to the Garden of Eden or paradise. It makes sense that the Great Valley is Eden, since the description of the narrator says that it is as land of plenty, food that could last forever, that sounds like Eden or paradise to me.

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2024/04/25
11:34 UTC

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Unlike what is commonly believed, SKYNET of TERMINATOR 1 AND 2 never actually succeeds in altering the past, not even an iota; How James cameron accidentally solves time travel and the GRANDFATHER PARADOX

The timeline was never changed, what happened had ALWAYS happened, including the time travel. John connor had ALWAYS been the son of kyle reese, and skynet had ALWAYS been born from the hand of the terminator sent back by skynet to kill john connor.

A bit of background: the grandfather paradox is used by scientists to explain why time travel is impossible: if a man goes back to kill his grandfather, he would not have been born, so how can he go back to kill his grandfather? Therefore, time travel is impossible.

However, James cameron accidentally solves the grandfather paradox in this movie, thus showing that time travel is indeed possible. The terminator is simply a grandfather paradox movie: skynet goes back to kill his 'grandfather' (john connor) but in so doing, fails and actually causes skynet himself to be born. In other words, time travel cannot alter the past, it is in fact one of the MANY causes of the past that have ALWAYS been there, there is no paradox because it has ALWAYS happened.

Skynet does not have perfect knowledge. It sent the terminator back in time not knowing it was this act itself that actually caused both john connor and skynet to be born. In the original timeline, a crushed robot hand was always found in cyberdyne electronic systems factory.

And contrary to popular belief, Terminator 2 actually continues to emphasise this cyclical view of time travel. Skynet realises after sending back the terminator that it had actually caused john connor himself to be born. But instead of accepting that time travel cannot alter the past, it tries another attempt, this time sending the T1000.

INSTEAD, all it does is prepare john connor to be a great military leader. BECAUSE OF THE t1000, John connor finally believes his mom and trains to become a great military leader. BECAUSE of the T1000, sarah connor is freed and goes into hiding with john connor in mexico with a huge stash of weapons, becoming virtually undetectable by skynet and law enforcement. BECAUSE they went into hiding with this huge stash of weapons, they were later on able to launch a surprise attack on skynet concentration camps after judgement day and liberate thousands of prisoners (we can see just how much punishment they dealt to the police in cyberdyne systems with just a fraction of the weapons cache). AND because john connor liberated thousands of prisoners, he manages to form an army to eventually overthrow skynet.

By the time skynet realises this, the rebels have reached skynet core and blew it up. Skynet never manages to alter time, it rather became the instrument of its own downfall. It was fated.

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2024/04/25
07:21 UTC

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Spider-Man (Sam Raimi's movies) temporarily his powers due to depression

There have been speculations that he lost his powers because he didn't want to be Spider-Man anymore, but it sounds like bs to me. The first movie showed Peter's DNA being affected by it. I think a more plausible explanation would be depression, because he was poor, failing classes, MJ was engaged and he struggling with the need to balance his work, superhero duties and college studies. Thoughts?

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2024/04/25
07:12 UTC

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[Helldivers 2] Only advanced Termanids produce enough E-710, which is why outbreaks happen constantly

Established propaganda/lore says that bugs are harvested for E-710 (oil backwards). While the outbreaks are allowed since the war is actually about population control, why allow hard to control bile titans to exist?

Why make your supply be prone to failure via bug uprising? Why not only harvest smaller, easy to control bugs?

Simple. Super earth knows only the larger bugs produce enough E 710 to be economically viable.

While bile titans are created from the toxic waste from the e 710 extraction process, that might be intentional exposure.

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2024/04/24
19:42 UTC

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Egon is on the Spectrum

In hindsight it seems obvious, and it highlights the movie trope that the "Science-y" character is often portrayed as neurodivergent.

Throughout Ghostbusters Dr. Egon Spangler is social awkward, avoids eye contact, misinterprets emotional cues, notes odd details, and has encyclopedic knowledge of his "niche" intrests.

The scene where Janine is obviously coming on to him and he's oblivious, instead bringing up his interest in collecting spores and fungus is a great example.

Another very neuro-atypical and hilarious observation is after climbing 22 floors in full gear, to fight an interdimensional ghost, he notices and mentions the art-deco architecture.

Also his granddaughter Phoebe is well played as fairly autistic in Ghostbusters: Afterlife and that would track as there are genetic influences.

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2024/04/24
14:50 UTC

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The Sopranos is framed as a Rorschach Test

The Sopranos has many different interpretations but I find the most compelling to be that David Chase actively communicates to the audience through the framing of the show.

I believe he knew that the audience would empathize with different characters and scenarios that he would introduce to the audience. So everything is laid out in a psychological test for us to determine what everything means.

From the first shot of the show of us seeing Tony in Dr. Melfi’s office to the final shot of him in the dinner there is an entire series of events that the audience must comprehend through their own ability to understand what everything means. Whilst we can ground ourselves in the world and characters we as the audience are constantly being tested to pay attention to every sound, glance and action a character has done in the show.

There’s plenty of scenes where people can have their own interpretation of what everything means but I also believe David Chase deliberately communicated to the audience in different ways. Whether it was through AJ’s Nihilism or saying “Everything is Everything” he’s trying to relay the important messages we must hear to understand ourselves and others. The show cleverly never leans to far into “this is a dream happening” or “everything that happened was real” theory because the show plays out like a real simulation of a long test for the audience.

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2024/04/23
21:07 UTC

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[Pokémon] No, the Pokédex entries aren't wrong.

The Pokémon fandom is huge, no doubt, and from it spawns many memes regarding the Pokémon and even the worldbuilding itself.

One particular joke that popped up quite a lot was the fact that a lot of the Pokédex entries (in the game or anime) seem completely wrong or impossible. The fact that: "Magcargo's internal body temperature can reach over 18,000 °F (10,000 °C)" for one obvious one, but others such as Shedinja apparently absorbing ones soul if you look in the hole in it's back, or that Gardevoir can weaponize miniature black holes.

So many people read these and more and made the assumption that the Pokédex entries are exaggerated or overblow, however, I theorize the exact opposite. I believe that the Pokédex entries, at least *most* of them, are factual.

Macargo does really get that hot, black holes do get thrown around, for a few reasons, but to sum it up before I expand further it's simply this.

Humans in the Pokémon world are just build different.

I will explain more but I honestly think it's that, humans in the Pokémon world are *not* the same as us, and are so built more for their dangerous world for a few reasons:

  1. When humans on our earth evolved, we were far from the fastest or strongest animals on our planet, but we succeeded mostly due to intelligence and tool use. On the Pokémon world though? With all the absolute UNITS that exist, breathing fire and ice and thunder etc, and humans are STILL the dominant species? Yeah they are gonna be built so much stronger than us. Sure they have the power of friendship and actively work *with* Pokémon to make a better world, but there is no way they didn't evolve more resistances to their brutal attacks and elemental attacks, in fact I think there's another good case of this:
  2. The anime clearly shows just how damn resilient the humans are to Pokémon attacks. Okay so I know a lot of these are gags, but especially at the beginning, see how many times Ash is shocked by Pikachu or burnt by a fire Pokémons flames, always taking damage but almost always just picking himself up and dusting himself off. Same with team rocket. "blasting off again" and all that but not *once* did they ever get serious injuries. Sure it's probably just a gag but I choose to believe the truth, the humans in the Pokémon world are just built to withstand that stuff like it's nothing. Even in Pokémon legends Arceus, your character can be attacked by wild Pokémon , but you can take a few hits before "passing out" which not only isn't dying, but if you get away without fainting you just walk off some pretty damn big attacks like it's nothing.
  3. Humans in the Pokémon world show clear signs of powers themselves. Psychics exist and have real power, so clearly humans in this world hold much more power than we do, to them, such dangerous things like Pokémon are just a regular occurrence.
  4. One final point, not as big but it always bugged me. Why would the protagonists lie when making a Pokédex to begin with? Some people claim "oh well they're just dumb kids, they don't know any better" Yet these kids have no issue in saving the world on multiple occasions. They must be smart to some degree, so it's unlikely they'd make mistakes on Pokédex entries.

So there we go, a ramble about a theory that's honestly only a rebuke to another theory, but something I wanted to get off my chest. Yeah, the humans in Pokémon are way stronger than you or I, that's not to say they *couldn't* be killed by a Pokémon, it almost certainly does happen, but that kind of stuff would just be way more common in their world.

(Oh yeah and I guess this means if you ever *were* teleported to the Pokémon world, you would probably die incredibly quickly, since you are not built nearly as strong as they are!)

TL:DR : Pokédex entries in Pokémon that sound like they're fake or impossible are just because the humans in the Pokémon world are actually built to withstand that, you would die, they would not.

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2024/04/23
20:56 UTC

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In the movie battleship.

So I watched the movie Battleship on Netflix with the aliens and was confused on why the aliens attacked and I know there’s the fan theory of “they were just defending themselves” but even when they don’t attack they sent those rolly pollies to destroy their infrastructure, and maybe this is already a theory but I was thinking what if they went there to fight when you look at the scene where the MC meets the first alien and he sees those memories it shows three lasers shooting down at the planet a lot of it. What if those three laser were the ones they sent out? Maybe this is canonical reason but I couldn’t find anything.

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2024/04/23
17:05 UTC

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Fallout theory: The Ghoul is the Mysterious Stranger

It doesn't make sense - in a Watsonian way - that The Ghoul wouldn't appear or be mentioned in the Fallout game series up to this point seeing as he's basically a wasteland celebrity. The obvious answer is that the Mysterious Stranger that turns up to help you if you pick the perk of the same name across the series is him. It would explain how he shows up across the entire series - he's 250ish years old.

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2024/04/23
08:41 UTC

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[Deadpool & Wolverine] This is the same Wolverine as old man Logan

In the latest trailer of Deadpool and Wolverine, I believe the Wolverine we are seeing is the Wolverine after he killed the X-Men in old man Logan.

This Wolverine seems like he is hell bent on trying to kill himself, as seen when he puts his head to Deadpools gun. [After he killed the X-Men, his first was to try and kill himself on train tracks.] (https://images.app.goo.gl/Q8gVWCYotJBi2pNv6) This shot of him laying down also seems to hint that he is laying by train tracks. (0:52 in trailer) Wolverine also has issues popping his claws like he did in old man Logan. He only popped his claws when he truly needed to fight, like we see again Deadpool and the other soldiers.

In the trailer, Deadpool says his world went to shit followed by the TVA saying that this Wolverine let his world down. This implies the whole world failed. In old man Logan, all the villains won and this was a major catalyst from the death of the X-Men. Furthermore, Deadpool said he was thee Xmen which proves again that the X-Men are gone.

To add more proof this is the world of old man Logan, the skull of Ant Man is used as a base, known as [Pym Falls.] (https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Pym_Falls) The cars also seem to point that this is in fact a wasteland.

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2024/04/23
04:13 UTC

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[Spec Ops: The Line] [Lucifer] Spec Ops: The Line and Lucifer take place in the same universe

Spoilers for a game that came out twelve years ago and a show that ended four years ago

January 30th, 2024: Spec Ops: The Line is removed from all online stores as several partnership licenses expire.

January 30th, 2024: I find out about this and within ten minutes am completely engrossed in about a dozen video essays.

January 31st, 2024: My fiancé and I watch Lucifer S5E1, triggering a thought that refuses to leave my mind.

Fan theories about multiple works from different universes being connected are a dime a dozen. "Han Solo crashed on earth and became Indiana Jones," "Malcolm in the Middle is a secret sequel to Breaking Bad," "Mr. Pink from Reservoir Dogs is actually Dr. Romero from Spy Kids 2!!" While these can be fun thought experiments, they rarely ever hold any weight and are often specifically contradicted in the text of the pieces involved. The aforementioned theory does not have this problem. On top of that, Spec Ops: The Line's plot elements and themes match up solidly well with those of the TV show Lucifer.

Both Spec Ops: The Line (henceforth referred to as just Spec Ops, as the full title is such a mouthful) takes place in the ruins of Dubai in "modern day." On first blush, it seems wild that no one would make any reference to it in a six season TV show. This would be misleading. While both take place in "modern day," Spec Ops came out in 2012, and Lucifer came out in 2016. Four years can be a massive difference in the collective conscious. Anything else happening in 2020 has been overshadowed by COVID, meaning that the best comparison to the Dubai tragedy in Lucifer would be, as far as I can tell, Hurricane Katrina. By the time 2009 rolled around, how often were people still talking about Katrina? Huge world events had happened, and the collective consciousness had moved on. The text of the show makes no substantial reference to Dubai. The closest I could find without allowing myself to fall into even more of a rabbit hole was this Reddit comment mentioning that Eve took a plane from Dubai, but when searching for the clip in question, I found this, which mentions that Eve took a plane, but not Dubai. Even if this is true, Eve fist appears in S4E3, eight years after the Dubai disaster.

The best piece of affirmative evidence that Spec Ops takes place in the universe of Lucifer is this: Captain Walker's experiences throughout the game heavily reflect those shown in the torture loops of the damned souls residing in Hell. As far as I have seen, the audience gets its best view of Hell in S3E7 and in S5E1. In both of these episodes, condemned souls relive the parts of their life which give them the most guilt. I highly doubt that there is a single point in Captain Walker's life that gives him more guilt than the very fun cool day where he and his squad:-killed an entire battalion of US Soldiers-murdered a bunch of innocent civilians with White Phosphorous-exploded the trucks carrying all the rest of Dubai's water, dooming the city to a slow death by thirst. On top of all of that, Walker gets both of his squad mates killed and then finds out that the man he's been hunting is already dead.

Spec Ops begins with a long turret sequence during which Walker mans a mounted gun, shooting down dozens of helicopters before crashing to the ground and then miraculously surviving before flashing back to earlier that day. When the plot returns to this moment, Walker notices. In Lucifer S2E13, the titular Lucifer ends up in his own hell loop, and he is cognizant of the entire thing. Of course, he is the Prince of Hell, which would likely lead to him much better understanding of its internal mechanisms. Even so, in S5E1, Lucifer is able to make Lee Garner aware of what is going on in Hell, and Abel, in the scene where she shoots Cain, makes reference to being aware of the Hell Loop. It seems like after enough time, a person's body becomes aware to a degree of what is happening, or at least that they are looping.

Self-Actualization is a recurring theme in Lucifer, and it applies neatly to this theory. We know that Hell Loops can only show what a person remembers, as in S5E1, Lee Garner cannot see the face of the man who killed him under his ski mask. At this point in the helicopter crash, we see that it is empty, which would make sense, as Walker has no idea what's going on in the cockpit. This would also explain the impossible scenes like this one where Walker is berated by Lugo, who died far earlier in the game. By the time the show even begins, Walker has been reliving this day for at least four years. It's not out of the question that his mind would be making this kind of stuff up. The entire end scene lays out a number of these hallucinations out really clearly, but it doesn't mention some of the weirder ones in the background, such as the earlier link where Walker sees a pillar of fire.

All this being said, I understand that likely none of this was intended. Lucifer's show runners probably never played Spec Ops, and they almost definitely did not decide to base the entire concept of Hell on Captain Walker and his Terrible No Good Very Bad Day Where He Kills Five Million American Soldiers And Civilians And Then Himself. Even so, it's uncanny just how neatly Spec Ops fits into Lucifer's vision of hell, and whenever I can make myself finish the show, I know it's all I'm going to be able to think about.

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2024/04/22
23:02 UTC

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