I always want to speak against some gender norms but i am always hesitant because thinking people response. Like for example in my country males pilots during training are order to be clean shave but the women can work with even wigs the same for military and medical students. I want to ask the authorities about this and want to tell them that it’s illogical thing to do but i think about their response like “ how can you say that? Since when did women started shaving their head? Are you stupid? How can you say that to women?Like if they are shaving males for discipline and safety and hygienic reasons then those reasons are equally justified to shave women also right? What is your suggestion? Should i stand my ground and fight?

A side consequence of the legal system bias against men, is that up to 4.0mio american men have gotten the right to vote taken away.

This assuming 90% of 4.4mio being men (see article). On population level ~2.5% of the male voter base are barred from political influence. Typically such men are the most disenfrachised and least powerful.

With margins so close between team red and team blue the numbers are large enough to be democratically problematic. Also due to men being less than 49% of the population due to shorter life span.

As always, the article reports the problem in a gender neutral language thus erasing the gender perspective.

Imagine being beat up by your wife close to election day, then being put into jail due to the Duluth model upon which wife votes for a president making sure the future will be female.

https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/out-of-step-u-s-policy-on-voting-rights-in-global-perspective/

this is something i have noicted a lot, people going oh you dislike that? well MEN can stop that by doing this, or men you need to stop this or if men did this issue would be solved, they talk about men as if they are a TEAM! all working together as one unit, and i hate to tell everyone this but all men are not some sort of team or on the same side, i mean look anywhere and you see men fighting and arguing with each other all the damn time! i do not understand why people seem to think all men are working with each other.

Honestly, I don't know much about Australia, but I've heard feminists say it's a pretty woman-hating place. I also read that rape victims don't get much sympathy from their families and often get blamed instead.

Can anyone from Australia fill me in on what it's really like there?

All in the title.

Ursula le Guin's Earthsea saga is regularly regarded as one of the foundational pillars of young adult fiction, specifically fantasy. Foremost, I enjoy what I have read so far of this book and this is no way a takedown of at least the first book.

However, there is a matriarchal civilization in this fantasy world which includes castrated men as servants to a holy order of priestesses. I know EXACTLY how a book like this would be treated if those sexes were reversed. I do not advocate banning books or anything of the sort, but the notion of this book as a YOUNG adult novel is absurd and I doubt the theme of MGM is ever brought up in an English class studying Ursula's works.

The man suffered through 5 years of court proceedings and being seen as a rapist. Only after 5 years the evidence against her lies was examined and found to prove that she had lied. The police proceeded against her but a female magistrate set her free. https://timesofmalta.com/article/woman-claimed-ex-raped-gets-suspended-jail-sentence.1100365

So I have way too much free time these days, and aside from starting conversations with strangers on Reddit, I watched a few movies. One of them was the animated movie Zootopia, from 2016, which I didn't like that much at the time.

But maybe of because of a growing division (social, political, and even over gender lines) now the movie feels more profound.

I think the movie does a good job at legitimizing both the struggles of the bunny, that being a small young lady struggles to be recognized at her police job, including her bullying and the lack of respect. She is unfairly belittled, and treated like crap and infantilized. After discovering that there has been some attacks, she and all other smaller herbivores (that are smaller and physically weaker) get afraid for their life.

It turns out that a few carnivores are responsible. ("Not all carnivores but always a carnivore" some would say).

And here the focus shifts on the carnivores.

A big part of the movie is about the fox guy, and of all the carnivores (or predators, basically all represented as men) being villanized, isolated and watched with hate and fear and considered as dangerous and evil creatures not because of actions but based on an innate potential for doing harm, Herbivores are uncomfortable around all of them, with a guy losing the front desk job and a mum worried about his kid sitting next to a carnivore on the metro who is just reading a newspaper.

Of course its just a cartoon and the methapore is streatched, but I rarely see a movie highlighting the problems faced by both men and women in rather honest fashion, without obvious attempts to downplay either one. I think this is crucial, cause reciprocal distrust or even hate between the two sexes is way too common.

I am aware wasn't the intention of the authors and there are even more obvious reference of racism against African Americans for example, but still).

I would like to hear everyones opinion on that. Being a men I felt better posting it here first (if allowed) in a mostly male dominated sub, but would like to repost it (if allowed) on a feminist one or one where women's issues are usually discussed.

If you got this far, thanks for reading my thoughts : )

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The current conversation is hugely biased against men. Common issues I observe are:

• Negative stereotypes (Eg. Men are masculine, masculinity is bad, therefore Men are bad)
• A lack of data (Eg. Women are constantly afraid of their safety - ok where's the data to prove that?)
• A lack of recognition for inherent biological attributes (Eg. Testosterone is a bug, not a feature)
• Spinning of statistics (Eg. Majority of domestic violence perpetrators are Men, therefore all Men are responsible for solving domestic violence)
• Implications of conspiracy (Eg. Patriarchy - as if it was something that Men historically conspired to create)
• Etc

This has gone too far. Men have no voice, yet they need one.

How can we unite to create constructive, positive and factual conversations?

That is the question I hear from a ignorant feminist every time I point out a real issue that men are facing today in society. It feels like a arguing with a brick wall now every time I try to talk to a woman about mens rights or issues, since every time they reply with something like "and who set that system up?! The patriarchy!"

And the thing is...most of the time some things are caused by men. I do agree. BUT, these systems pushing men down ARE ALWAYS fueled by feminism! (At least radical feminism). Since most women in feminism movements push themselves in boy only spaces (because these spaces are "anti woman misogynistic cults", supposedly) they become ridiculed with extremism towards men. So now when we speak about it, society replies with "and who set that system up" blah blah blah.

I've been tired of trying to explain to people how they are misunderstanding the problem, but it's that damn phrase that keeps being brought up.

Does anyone has this problem when taking to people online or real life, or only me? (If I'm considered schizo by this post, let me know)

Woman here. Totally appreciating that I’m invading a men’s space so hope it’s ok to post but I find this group really interesting.

As someone who would traditionally fall under the ‘feminist’ bracket but personally prefers the lesser used term egalitarian, I came on here expecting to eye roll but actually I find myself completely agreeing with most of what I read (with the exceptions of a few pretty wild claims but I’m sure I’m not alone in this group).

I find it interesting that a lot of what’s being said precisely mirrors what modern feminism, NOTE: NOT POPULIST feminism is aiming to shape feminism into.

A couple of examples:

A post I just read about sexual assault of a man in public being cheered made me feel sick to the stomach. In spite of the man laughing, I’d have intervened and had it not stopped considered calling the police in precisely the same way as I would had it been the other way. I guarantee you, every one of my friends both male and female would have the same response.

Another post about: if a man is arrested he is instantly accused of being violent and abusive, while women are ‘troubled, failed, likely abused and misunderstood’. (Or something to that effect). Again, completely agree with the post that these sorts of headlines are wild. Likely, depending on the circumstances, both men/women have acted in a disgusting way but BOTH have been failed by society possibly in different ways but I don’t see that there should be any reason for them to be described differently. I have just as much a mix of empathy and disgust for a man that commits a heinous violent crime as I do a woman.

My views on creating a fairer society results in work being done on both sides but to tackle the issues at the source. I advocate, I think, harder for men’s mental health, men’s right to fairer parental leave, men’s right to express themselves how they want because that is what will benefit both men and women. Why do women who choose to work alongside having children find they struggle to juggle both and progress at work? Because men get sweet FA parental leave. I’ve joined DadShiftUk to advocate for men getting more time with their children. My brother and his wife are fortunate they can do shared parental leave so are taking 6 months each. That should be the norm. Allowing men to bond with the children benefits everyone.

Why are men often called violent? One big reason is because no-one lets them express any emotions except traditional ‘macho’ aggressive ones. I advocate for men’s mental health and help to organise (but don’t join as it would be inappropriate) a men’s walk and talk weekly session where men get together to talk openly about emotions with no feelings of judgment. That can only benefit everyone.

If I hear a woman dare utter ‘I only date men 6ft and over’, I put them firmly back in their place in much the same way I’d tell a man to shut up if they said ‘I only date double Ds or bigger’.

I appreciate I’ve waffled on a lot but I’m very curious to hear whether this is a sort of equal society you’d help advocate for? Is this where the men’s rights movement wants to push to? Equal for everyone in a modern world? Or are we looking to go backwards to gender stereotypes? I genuinely like hearing opinions that don’t align with mine if they come from a well thought out place but surely gender stereotypical roles in society doesn’t benefit many at all?

If feminism looked towards true egalitarianism as modern feminism is trying to (despite what the media portrays it as), would you support it?

Saying again for clarity, I don’t support ‘men are trash, women are great’ type feminism and very few women I know do.

https://endtodv.org/pr/women-say-they-have-been-misled-and-betrayed-by-feminist-ideology/

Growing numbers of women around the world are voicing their discontent and disillusionment with feminist ideology (1). Indeed, only 29% of American women identify as feminist, according to an Ipsos survey (2).

This trend recently reached the pages of the UK Daily Mail where journalist Petronella Wyatt alleged feminism “has failed me and my generation” (3).  Daughter of the former Member of Parliament Woodrow Wyatt, Petronella is in every sense a feminist icon: Well-educated, socially well-connected, and unencumbered by family ties.

Underscoring her poignant observations with a bittersweet smile, Wyatt reveals four ways in which feminist ideology has betrayed herself, her circle of friends, and women in general:

Marriage and Family: Karl Marx viewed marriage as an exploitative institution. “The bourgeois sees his wife a mere instrument of production,” Marx once wrote. Accordingly, feminists seek to sideline the role of marriage.

This plan has had devastating consequences for women.

Noting that one in 10 British women in their 50s has never married, Wyatt reveals how this is a direct result of feminist advocacy: “One of my unmarried school friends recalls: ‘My teachers made me feel as if marriage was shameful.’…Yet of all the institutions that have come down to us from the past, none is so derailed by feminism as the family.”

Mental Health: Over half — 56% — of young liberal white women have been diagnosed with a mental health condition (4), which in large part is a direct result of an epidemic of female loneliness.

Wyatt reveals, “many single women feel they have failed at life. Far from empowering us, feminism has made us insecure. “’My career has stalled, I’ve never married and I feel worthless as a person,’ observes my pretty 53-year-old friend Rachel.”

Economic Status: It’s a truism that women who live in a single-person household enjoy less income than persons in a two-person family.

“A university professor chum bemoans ‘as a single woman, it has been increasingly difficult to pay the bills with no assistance from a partner. For every J K Rowling, there are millions of women who get by on a pittance,” Wyatt recounts. “Feminism kept drumming into my head that financial independence was the ideal, but in practice it doesn’t happen unless you are managing a hedge fund or are able to write best-selling novels.”

Demonization of Men: In some respects, feminism has turned vindictive and hateful, stereotyping men as “abusers” and “patriarchal oppressors.” Wyatt explains how her friend Sally once confided, “’I constantly feel unwanted as a woman because feminism taught us that the traditional female was a stereotype invented by men to keep us down. Accordingly, I was anti-men to the point of driving them away. Now, I’m paying for this.”

“The world has now changed in a way the early feminists would find incomprehensible. I sometimes think, and so do my friends, that the West has outgrown the feminist philosophy, and that it has become pernicious,” Wyatt recounts.

Wyatt ends her narrative-shattering article with this advice: “It’s time for a cultural reset. It may be too late for me and my friends, but feminism should not be allowed to ruin the lives of future generations as well.”

Honestly it just makes me so depressed seeing all these young men being forced to fight in wars started by other people, particularly in Ukraine. I just can't see how can this even be justified outside of an existential theat to the population, in which the only other option is for everyone to die or suffer in horrrific conditions but in that case everyone should be required to help, not just men.

I am sure the women fleeing Ukraine could at least help in support roles and logistics and some should definitely be able to fight.

So I'm curious to know what you personally disagree with in this sub because surely everyone doesn't have the same opinion on everything.

As a man, I’m so sick of the toxic shit women say about men and get away with it because they’re women. I can’t go more than a day without seeing some toxic shit that women say about men on the internet. How do I stop letting it bother me and just ignore it? Now… I know not all women are like this. But there’s so many toxic women infesting the internet with shit they say about men that it’s getting unbearable.

https://youtu.be/tSw04BwQy4M?si=OdIOxuhyOZf59fR8

re: sarah boon trial.

She killed Jorge Torres, trapping him in a suitcase and beating him,(and filmed him begging for his life while she laughed and taunted him) SHE tried to claim "battered spouse defence".

She had called the police on him multiple times, the body cam was used as evidence. she had injuries a few time, but so did he, and his were worse, and then once she had a no contact against him she held his birth certificate hostage and called the cops when he came over.

eventually the cops seem to clue into the fact that she's using them to further abuse him, but there are court orders, so they take him in while telling him, he's got to leave because she's "going to keep doing this to you."

My main problem is, that so many true crime reporters use his arrests to claim "mutual abuse" or "a toxic relationship" or "she was as bad as he was" or any other thing that makes their abuse look "equal" when it is anything but. There is a small possibility that he ever did anything more than defend himself. There's irrefutable proof that she repeatedly abused him and eventually murdered him.

Nobody claims he wasn't abused, but many people minimise it, or take her at her word and claim he abused her too.

And I can't help but compare peoples reactions to this body cam to their reactions to the body cam of Gabby Patito.

When that came out, it was a failure of the police to understand and identify the subtler signs of abuse. and it was an example of how abuse is more complicated than first meets the eye.

Well what about Jorge. was it not misidentification and an misunderstanding of abuse when the cops didn't press him when he said he didn't want to talk about the cuts on his neck. or when he said she always hits him, or when they helped look for his birth certificate that she said she had thrown in the bushes, while he was in the back of a cop car.

I'm sick of the double standards.

I get that it's hard for cops to tell on the scene, in that one moment in time, but we have a huge history here, that ends in a murder, with multiple recorded incidents.

I wish everyone would stop making it sound like they "were abusive to each other,"

I will not link this video here, as I do not intend to cause hate onto that specific video to get it shutdown or harass the individual who made it, as it will just be a waste of time.

While scrolling YouTube, I came across a video that claims to be proving the "origins of men's hatred of women," which is essentially a guy complaining and hating on men for over 30 minutes.

His main claim is to simply generalize all men into this extremist sub-group that hates on women, believing that ALL men want to terrorize, humiliate, and kill women all the time. Calling this a disorder, he believes that men are "inferior" because they can't give birth and that they are lesser than women because of this "biological fact." It is honestly just sad seeing this broken man rambling on acting like he even knows anything about what hes talking about. Seriously, what delusional mental state do you have to be to say shit like this to your own gender?

Even more sad is the fact that if the genders were reversed, and if a guy/girl made anything even remotely saying that women were inferior or had a disorder in their brain, that video would get removed immediately. (This one is still up after 2 years.).

To conclude, if you ever meet delusional people like this, seriously, just ignore them. They most likely are not actually thinking this way and are just trying to rage bait you; even if you present your argument with the number of disadvantages men face in society, they will simply ignore you and say that "misandry doesn't exist." They are a waste of everyone's time.