Hey, hello everyone! I just wanted to announce that our Founder, jermofo, has recently resigned as head mod. I salute him for creating and maintaining this sub as a place of integrity where serious discussion could take place. I ask you all to say something nice about jermofo in the comments and thank him for his many years of dedicated service, if you feel so inclined.

I joined the main sub 13 years ago with my previous account, now deleted and replaced with this current account I've been using for for the last 7 years. At the time I joined r/mbti, (2k members strong) Jermofo was already present with a core group of others who eventually moved here seven years ago.

I'm thrilled and honored to have this opportunity to serve you. I was asked by Reddit Admins what my plans are for the community and I replied:

This is a very consequential sub in the history of our network of Jungian theory subs. The subscribers are particularly well informed and well read. I want to make sure r/JungianTypology remains maintained as a sub for serious Jungian discussion. I think it would be accurate to say I'm very reluctant to disturb the tradition and culture of the sub. Partly for sentimental reasons, I want it to remain as is unless there's a problem that needs to be addressed.

Thank you.

If anyone wants to help me I can share my writing privately. The writing is pretty dark tho

https://themodernmoralist.com/secular-spirituality-the-history-and-philosophy-of-modern-personality-typologies-1-f78ac073ec6f

INFP - IF(N) - RCOEI - EII-3FI-D - E⁴V'L'F' [EVLF] SP/SX - SP[4]61 - 145 - phlegmatic [dominant] - True Neutral

Do you guys know where I can find the differences between Ni over Fe and Fe over Ni? I tried on Google but didn’t find Also I read some Jung articles and pretty sure I have high Fe and high Ni Something like comparing, if Ni slightly change when Fe>Ni compared to Ni>Fe

(but this can change ofc, I want to go deeeeeper and deeper, I want the extract the meaning of each letter and comma to be sure about what are my higher functions)

Can someone tell me which is the best test to take for our Jungian type?

It is apparent that everyone follows patterns, so no one is independent. One only becomes independent when the pattern they follow reaches infinite complexity. That said, an infinitely complex pattern is chaotic because it is no longer a pattern. A person who appears more independent than most only follows a more complex pattern than others. That said, they are not more independent because the pattern they follow is technically not more complex than the patterns most people follow relative to infinity, in other words, an infinitely complex pattern.

I'm diving back into Jung again this month and trying to improve both my understanding of archetypes, their function in myths, and, as an educator, how to teach people unfamiliar with Jung the basics of the concept.

For those who haven't yet studied Jung it's challenging because what the collective unconscious actually is is a tricky idea to communicate and grasp. For those who have heard of Jung, it can be difficult because his name comes with the "mystical"/"woo-woo" baggage that has accrued to his academic reputation and limited his exposure to college students outside of a unit or two in world mythology courses.

Here's what I try to better understand and then teach. The archetypal dimension of myths can help us

1. grasp the common humanity contained in the collective unconscious;

2. develop a deeper appreciation for cultural diversity and social uniqueness, and

3. gain therapeutic insights into one's own personal growth and development.

Here's how I try to explain it: http://worldmythology.blog/2023/11/06/grasping-the-collective-unconscious-archetypes-and-comparative-mythology/

What are your thoughts on my perspective and approach? Have you ever had to teach Jung? What's been your experience? What's your perspective on Jung's theories and his reputation?

Hi everyone! I’m new on this (was studying mbti for like 3 years but now i discover how limited and wrong is ) and I felt in love with the jungian type Does anyone have some site or pdf I can start with? I already know the concepts from mbti, but I don’t know if is the same Also I think I might be Ni-f or Ni-t, but pretty sure I have Ni, Ti and Fe

• The four basic Jungian functions (Sensation, Intuition, Thinking and Feeling) are the Psychological counterparts of the five basic physiological functions ( Sight, hearing, touch, taste and smell.). Just as these five physiological functions are the 'senses of the body', the four psychological modes are the 'senses of the mind'. Much like the five senses, the Jungian functions have their origins in evolution. Both the five senses and the four modes perceive reality for the end of all material life is to maximize the survival of their genome and not to perceive Noumena as they are. The human eye can perceive only a certain range of electromagnetic radiations, the human ear a certain range of frequencies etc. These facts stand testimony for the limitations of the subjective perception, in this case pertaining to the physiological functions.
• Data received from the physiological senses is subjected to psychological examination inside the observer's mind. The psychological input (i.e., The object) along with the observer itself, (i.e., the subject), together constitute consciousness.
• Sensation and intuition are irrational functions, which means that they are concerned only with the perception of reality, not subjecting it to any kind of judgment or discrimination. Thinking and feeling are rational functions denoting that the judge reality with some kind of hierarchy, some criteria (be it mechanical or sentimental), which evaluates and discriminates information and perceptions on the basis of how well they accord to it.
• Sensation interprets presence and its properties. It is this function which brings sensory impressions to consciousness.
• Intuition perceives absence and its properties. It is concerned with changes, connections, patterns and trends. It looks "beyond" the object, filling its absences with speculation and prediction.
• Thinking evaluates difference and its properties. It makes judgments pertaining to the mechanical aspects of things, studying the differences between them.
• Feeling discerns concordance and its properties. It makes judgments about the 'value' of things. It is this function which incorporates the 'human' aspects of reality. It is concerned with goodness and moral standards.
• Extraversion refers to the attitude of a function in which the psychological impetus of the function is derived solely from the object and pertains exclusively to it. The extroverted function divorces itself from any subjective implications the object might provide in the realm of set function, and instead applies and or studies the properties of the function in the objective realm. Thus when extraverted all the all the basic four functions work with/on/for the the physiological data provided by the external world. Unlike their introverted counterparts, the extraverted functions are not timeless and always stay relevant to the object that is presently of interest to the observer.The four extraverted functions are-
• Extraverted Thinking (abbreviated as Te)- Te is concerned with external difference/ tangible identities. It is essentially focused on what works in the external world.

Some keywords to describe Te-
Formulas. Action. Facts. Objective data. Production. What is said/done. Justice. Science. Efficiency. Achievement. Practical knowledge. Techniques. Materialistic. Effective. Factory.

• Extraverted Feeling (abbreviated as Fe)- Fe is about external concordance/ tangible values. It finds and follows what is valued in the external world.

Some keywords-
Agreements. Expression. Ethics. Collective consensus. Diplomacy. What is accepted/shared. Harmony. Fashion. Charm. Acceptance. Societal norms. Relationships. Popular. Social. Theatre.

• Extraverted Sensation (abbreviated as Se)- Se perceives external presence/ tangible forms. It is this function which transmits physiological perceptions to the mind.

Some keywords-
Objects. Presence. Realities. Physical world. Liveliness. What is objectively present. Pleasure. Aesthetics. Realism. Enjoyment. Physiological gratification. Tools. Natural. Material. Restaurant.

• Extraverted Intuition (abbreviated as Ne)- Ne translates to external absence/ tangible connections. It perceives trends, chances, opportunities etc.

Some keywords-
Developments. Progression. Chances. Changing trends. Novelty. How things (can) change. Opportunity. Chronology. Vision. Growth. Future investments. Plans. Innovative. Dynamic. Market.

• Introversion refers to the attitude in which a function applies its libido not towards the object, but towards the subjective factor. The introverted function does not concern itself with objective tidings. No, it derives its content solely from the subjective factor, from the innate dispositions of the mind seperate from external happenings. Essentially, all introverted functions attain their contents from the personal or collective unconscious, which is the hidden realm of profound storages of thoughts, experiences, ideas, and more contained in the psyche of the observer as the accumulated knowledge of not just the subject but also of his bloodline. The collective unconscious is the sea of all biological experience ever recorded and the home of 'archetypes'. Hence it can be said that the introverted function concerns itself with archetypes, not objects. It is precisely from here that introversion derives its timeless or universal quality. It can be understood with this example. Suppose if an extroverted function examines, say, an apple, it will perceive and analyze the apple as an object, as an instance. The introverted function, however, will attend to the archetype of the apple, the idea of it not the object itself, it will look at the apple, not through the lens of an observer attempting to evaluate this particular instance of an apple, which is complete in itself, but from the lens of a million-year old consciousness which takes the apple as an 'idea' and proceeds to discern commonalities between it and the profound stores of universal experience.
• Introverted Thinking (Ti)- Ti is about internal difference/ intangible identities. It is often concerned with internal classifications, abstracting information into conceptual categories (=identities) inside the mind.

Some keywords-
Identities. Identity. Principles. Conceptual axioms. Purity. What you think. Coherence. Logic. Accuracy. Independence. Intellectual depth. Classifications. Scruplous. Critical. Library.

• Introverted Feeling (Fi)- Fi evaluates internal concordance/intangible values. It includes notions such as personal morality, hidden desires, intensity etc.

Some keywords-
Motivations. Responsibility. Intentions. Inner desires. Authenticity. What you want/value. Empathy. Conscience. Appeal. Inspiration. Personal warmth. Bonds. Cold. Personal. Home.

• Introverted Sensation (Si)- Si perceives internal presence/intangible forms. It abstracts sensory impressions into "resources".

Some keywords
-Resources. Experience. Fantasies. Subjective myths. Usefulness. What/how you experience. Familiarity. Mythology. Qualia. (Self-)Preservation. Known experiences. Artefacts. Historical. Mythological. Garden.

• Introverted Intuition (Ni)- Ni translates to internal absence/intangible connections. This is the hardest function to describe as it is both intangible (I) and abstract (N).

Some keywords-
Archetypes. Meaning. Lives/Souls. Transcendental implications. Divinity. How you (can) change. Truth. Metaphysics. Prophecy. Unknown. Mystical awareness/transformation. Oracles. Hidden. Existential. Sanctum.

I’ve heard that IS(F) can’t be sp9 only sx9 or so9. If so could someone explain why?

I found this research article that say memory is stored in 2 sections past and future, kind of gives more insight into si and ni https://newatlas.com/biology/memory-past-future-paths/

can INTP and lie (socionics) be a combination?

Hello, I am an INFP, my partner is an ISTJ. I also have another friend who is an INFP. We all struggle with anxiety specifically relating to our bodies. I have especially noticed with my INFP friend that we both can have panic attacks about our breathing. Could this be related to Si for us? Does anyone else experience this? Just curious

Dm me or something if you'd like to help and ask me anything, i'd appreciate it

Thanks in advance for any responses.

Can you explain me...i'm an ESTP 7w8 so/sp 386 SLUAI EVFL Coleric-melancolic

• How old are you? What's your gender? Give us a general description of yourself.

34. Male. I am not sure if this is meant to be physical description or personality wise so to cover my bases: I am tall with black hair and kind of lean but fit. As for personality, I would describe myself as usually cheerful, energetic, quick witted, extroverted, curious, strong but soft personality type.

• Is there a medical diagnosis that may impact your mental stability somehow?

Not that I know of.

• Describe your upbringing. Did it have any kind of religious or structured influence? How did you respond to it?

Well, when I was really young, my parents had to push me to socialize since I used to spent a lot of time alone (I used to be really shy when I was young). So, they got me into stuff like sports. I was also a kid they had to keep their eye on at all times since I was always exploring my surroundings. My parents almost lost me 3 times from my love for exploration. Probably, the second reason they got me into stuff like sports was to find a way to release my energy.

• What do you do as a job or as a career (if you have one)? Do you like it? Why or why not?

Yes, I like my job. Especially getting to interact with others.

• If you had to spend an entire weekend by yourself, how would you feel? Would you feel lonely or refreshed?

Not an issue. I can be on my own. I can do a lot, from playing games, reading books, preparing a meal. Options are endless for entertainment if you are on the right mind. It doesnt mean I dont love having company over. Anything one can do by themselves is even more interesting and fun when done with friends and family.

• What kinds of activities do you prefer? Do you like, and are you good at sports? Do you enjoy any other outdoor or indoor activities?

I love activities that make you think and strategize especially against other people. Stuff like chess, cards games, puzzle games, RTS games, RPGs, I also love sports like soccer and tennis. I love training my body and doing exercise. I am terrible at building muscle though. I have a very high metabolism.

• How curious are you? Do you have more ideas then you can execute? What are your curiosities about? What are your ideas about - is it environmental or conceptual, and can you please elaborate?

Very curious as an individual. I love learning of all sorts of subjects and I love finding out about new stuff out there especially if I hadnt heard about it before. Some of my teachers said I have a very inquisitive mind. It definitely helped since I barely needed to study for exams since usually I am interested easily interested in the subjects at school. I like imagining concepts, ideas and worlds. I usually explore these ideas when drawing and creating characters or when making worlds for Tabletop games.

• Would you enjoy taking on a leadership position? Do you think you would be good at it? What would your leadership style be?

I dont mind at all. I wont jump into the position just because its empty but if there is a necessity and no one else wants to do it, I´ll take it. Afterall, things need to be done. We cant just stay standing doing nothing especially if something needs to happen. I have made a good job in the past on the role. I am usually kind of flexible and ready o hear what others have to say but I am direct about orders and I will demand that people follow through the agreements once the negotions and planning phases are over.

• Are you coordinated? Why do you feel as if you are or are not? Do you enjoy working with your hands in some form? Describe your activity?

Yes. I also have really good balance. I am the only one of my friends that could stay up while skating for the first time. Between my time in karate, soccer and tennis, I have pretty good reflexes. It has saved me from stuff from falling to the floor before. As for working with my hands, depends on the activity. Strenous hard work can be tiresome if done for long hours. I have a pretty active lifestyle. I cannot practice as much tennis as I used to but I still do exercise (unless I am sick or injured).

• Are you artistic? If yes, describe your art? If you are not particular artistic but can appreciate art please likewise describe what forums of art you enjoy. Please explain your answer.

As said before, I like drawing. I am decent though definitely not great. I still have a lot of work to improve (drawing hands is hard!). Artstation is probably my favorite. Lots of really high quality art to watch. There is a level of profesionalism there that shows me there is still a lot to learn on how to draw and how impressive it truly is.

• What's your opinion about the past, present, and future? How do you deal with them?

I would say I am most interested in the present and the close future and consider those for most of my actions. The past is for the most part irrelevant to most of my decision making. I would rather consider what is happening right now. I also enjoy the future as long as we are not talking about the distant future. Organizing stuff for 10 years into the future is definitely not my style. Working a plan for the whole year/a couple of years/ a few months, etc? Totally fine with that. Thinking too far into the future makes me anxious.

• How do you act when others request your help to do something (anything)? If you would decide to help them, why would you do so?

I like helping other people. I have helped strangers in the past. I am of the belief that even small actions can help shape a better world and the only way to do that is by taking action. I also think that if the roles were reversed,I would gladly appreciate the help.

• Do you need logical consistency in your life?

Yes, I think that on some level, we need to make some sense between our motivations, our actions and our logic. For example, if we want to become competent, we need to realize what need to be done based on the facts and coordinate that desire and knowledge to an action that would lead to the desired results. You cant just burn a house and then expect a medal just because you rescued the people inside. It just wouldnt make sense.

• How important is efficiency and productivity to you?

Its really important. The faster I finish a job successfully, the faster I can get to doing anything fun. Obviously, its important that the job is well done so that I get paid for it and I also get the resources I need to do something fun or interesting.

• Do you control others, even if indirectly? How and why do you do that?

I think it would be impossible to say that we dont exert any control towards others. We all exert that just by existing. As a pretty tall dude, I know that sometimes approaching someone and requesting something might result in getting what you want easily. Why? Because of the presence that one can exude (it can be sheer intimidation based on appearance and it can happen evenwithout even realizing it oneself).

• What are your hobbies? Why do you like them?

I have many hobbies. Videogames, exercise, drawing, tabletop RPGs, cooking, reading. I will also say that I am always open to try new stuff which I am not sure if it would count as a hobby or not. I like to engage in entertaining and challenging stuff. Competing against others, strategizing and creating the plan possible to solve the problem at hand, facing thrilling hardships, see how far I can push myself, experimenting and learning new techniques and strategies to help myself improve my craft.

• What is your learning style? What kind of learning environments do you struggle with most? Why do you like/struggle with these learning styles? Do you prefer classes involving memorization, logic, creativity, or your physical senses?

I can earn really well through to main methods. The first is by hearing and digesting what I have been told, then analyzing and making sure I understood correctly what I was being told. The second one is through action. Sometimes through woking on the solution and getting myself on doing what needed to be done (sometimes on repetition), I got to understand what the lesson was about. In genereal, I was always a good student. The only area I was terrible with was history (I am terrible reminding dates/names/localzitions especially together). I have always excelled in gym class, math, chemistry, physics and language.

• How good are you at strategizing? Do you easily break up projects into manageable tasks? Or do you have a tendency to wing projects and improvise as you go?

Pretty well. I won a couple of local chess tournaments. I did pretty well in some yugioh tournaments too. Yes, I try to go step by step on my plan of action. Still, If there is no other choice, I can work on my feet without issue and improvise.

• What are your aspirations in life, professionally and personally?

When it comes to my job, its about getting what I need to get by. Like I said before, not much for long term planning. I have some dreams and wishes like starting a family and bulking up, or keeping a healthy lifestyle but none of them have any specific dates or anything. I suppose on a more spiritual level, I would say I want to enjoy life and what it has to offer.

• What are your fears? What makes you uncomfortable? What do you hate? Why?

Needles. The piercing through the body painfully, the risks involved when injected poorly and the gory potential involved.

• What do the "highs" in your life look like?

I have won a few competitions here and there. I have managed to recover from breaking my right arm twice and still return to exercise and lift heavy weight with it. I have gotten some very good grades.

• What do the "lows" in your life look like?

Some pretty shameful mistakes from poor thought out decisions. Mainly, buying stuff recklessly or doing crazy shit for a thrill.

• How attached are you to reality? Do you daydream often, or do you pay attention to what's around you? If you do daydream, are you aware of your surroundings while you do so?

I have a great perception. I tend to notice stuff that sometimes others dont see. For example, noticing a spider hiding somewhere or a rat trying its best to sneak around. If I a here, I am here in every sense of the word. Still, if I get lost in though, I can end up hitting myself with stuff I didnt notice while walking. I am either deeply in though or completely here. Being in between is just not something I can really do well.

• Imagine you are alone in a blank, empty room. There is nothing for you to do and no one to talk to. What do you think about?

I think I will try to investigate the room. I would see where its limits are. I would also check what material are the walls made of. I will speak up to see if I can hear myself. Check if I can hear anything on the other side. Tap the walls. Hit the walls.

• How long do you take to make an important decision? And do you change your mind once you've made it?

I tend to not take too long. It mainly leads me to overthinking stuff and making a worse decision than by just giving it some thought and then deciding. Rarely, but it has happened before especially if new information comes out that may change the perspective on the whole situation.

• How long do you take to process your emotions? How important are emotions in your life?

I rarely feel deep strong emotions for myself outside of maybe happiness and anger. I have been the guy not crying in the last act of a film while being surrounded by crying (awkward!). I still consider on some level how others feel (and could potentially feel) about stuff. I suppose Its important to know how others will react to stuff. At least, for a bit.

• Do you ever catch yourself agreeing with others just to appease them and keep the conversation going? How often? Why?

Only if its for meaningless and unimportant stuff. I wouldnt do that if it was for an important matter or if they could end up worse if I kept my mouth shut. I will also point out that sometimes, I get contrarian for a joke or a bit of teasing. When I agree to appease, its mostly for avoiding potential unnecessary conflict. Who wants that?

• Do you break rules often? Do you think authority should be challenged, or that they know better? If you do break rules, why?

I follow the rules when they make sense (not going to do foolish stuff just because its against the rules). I am still partial for some flexibility when it comes to rules. Sometimes, there are flaws in them. Sometimes, they are too ambiguous or contradictory.