I find it interesting, just in reading people's comments on social media and also in hearing it first hand from people, that killing someone in the context of a war is justified and looked at as courageous, whereas someone who kills outside of that context is considered evil

I will mention here as well the stories in the bible that justify murder because god commanded it(think of the story of Joshua)

Is this a good case for there being no such thing as objective morality? I believe so.

I have a question about quotes from an enlightened master that speaks about people's different individuality, likes and dislikes and so on (I have written my insights and my question down below).

It's also an advice I've seen from many teachers - transcending likes and dislikes, indifference.., not having any preferences of your own..

Just as there is beauty in the darkness and light, just as much there is beauty in our disagreements and agreements, our likes and dislikes. Just as there is beauty in pure consciousness, oneness, just as much there is beauty in our individualities. Imagine a world where everyone is indifferent about everything, not having personal affinities and everyone being the same on the surface. My insight is each and every single one of us adds a unique color to this beautiful world, making it richer and more colorful.

These are some of the quotes on the subject of indviduality, personal tastes and likes/dislikes:

"When you meditate you move towards the center. In the deepest moments of meditation, all differences disappear. You are universal there, not individual. And you have to be both: individual and universal."

"No two persons are the same on the circumference, although everybody is the same at the center."

"Essentially we are made of the same stuff called God, but on the circumference God comes in every shape and size, in every color, in every form. There is much difference. And it is beautiful because if people were really the same, both at the center and on the circumference, the world would be a very boring place".

"Our souls are the same, there we meet and are one, but our bodies and minds are different, there we are separate. And no effort should be made to make us similar on the surface." 

"But why should people be worried about others? About everything the society remains alert: nobody should have his own individual way about his sex, about his love, about his clothes, about his way of talking, manners. Every society imposes a fascist rule on its members. It destroys much that is beautiful."

"It is going to be an inner equality. People will remain different, as much as possible; in fact, as far as the outside world is concerned, everybody should have his unique individuality, his own flavor, his own signature. On the outside everybody should be allowed absolute freedom to be himself. In the inner, the ego disappears, the personality disappears, there is only pure consciousness".

"Everybody has a unique personality, so I may do something which I like but you may not return it. Your taste, your personality may be different. People's tastes differ." 

Quote about likes/dislikes:
"With enlightenment there is no liking or disliking. Where will likes and dislikes be?
They will simply disappear" - Osho

"Yoga is not about doing more things in the world. It is the dropping of likes and dislikes and simply responding to every-thing." - Sadghuru

My insights (based on our tastes) :

• We form connections;
• We pursue careers (a poet likes different things compared to a mathematician, certain brain connections cause us to follow certain paths suitable only for us;
• We stay away from people who have have habits we dislike (smoking, doing drugs, drinking);
• We discover art of various forms (tv shows, magazines, books, movies - someone loves science fiction, someone prefers content based on reality: someone's more logical, someone's more dreamy and sensitive;
• We have individual way about our clothes, in what way we like wearing our hair, and so on;
• Different tastes of human beings benefit the richness and humanity, making it a colorful rainbow, a vast sky of different clouds (that form one limitless sky);
• If we decide to tattoo our bodies, we tattoo things we enjoy, things we find aesthetically pleasing (no two persons want the exact same tattoo): if you applied the transcendence of likes and dislikes into daily lives as a general rule there would be zero uniqueness to any individual and the world would be bland and boring;
• The best artists have their own unique style, a signature that you can feel and see in their artworks;
• Just imagine the world filled with people who are indifferent about everything that's accepted by their senses (their unique tastes): There would be no Shakespeare, no Elvis, no Kurt Cobain, no Mozart, no Beethoven, no rock, no pop, no rap, no jazz, no metal (based on different tastes/likes of people certain genres developed and became popular);
• All of the artists I've mentioned would hardly take on artistic path if they didn't know their likes or dislikes (if they dropped them);
• We have so many different unique sources available in the world we can choose from, that we can always find something that speaks uniquely to us, to our heart;
• As people we usually find excitement in a person who is uniquely themselves, following their heart and what they like and not caring about what other people think.
• Having likes and dislikes doesn't make me miserable in any way, if anything it helps me realize what I want/don't want in life.
• According to new studies, your genes might even play a role a big role in the foods you like and don't like.
• A born artist or a person who follows their most intense passion/passions - most of the time they leave this world with the same level of appreciation/liking towards that passion that they came in this world with and so it doesn't spontaneously disappear and change.
• Not all tastes are conditioned and brought by external factors, to some things we are naturally drawn to with wll our hearts - in a lot of spritual teachings we are told to follow our heart and become what we were meant to become, regardless of expectations of the society (whether it's a poet, a painter, etc...) - so we do have natural affinities since birth.

I can concur that likes/dislikes disappear in the consciousness, in our universal form, in our meditative states but we also exist as individuals with unique/body minds, unique individualities that no one can replace, we are an unrepeatable miracle sharing the same vastness and eternal light.

I would like to explore different/similar views on this from different people, and I'd be thankful if you shared your insight.

My question:

Spiritual masters like Sadghuru, Eckhart tolle talked about this teaching.. In the quotes i mentioned another master Osho claims we should not have any likes or dislikes and that it goes against an enlightened state yet he also says that one should be both an individual (unique, with their own preferences, their own tastes) and universal (wholeness, oneness, one with nature). My own understanding and also based on what Osho said is that as individuals we have our own preferences and it's one of the things that make us unique, and also one of the things that gives this world richness and variety. In deep meditative space we are one, there differences disappear, on the circumference we are different and we should be different. I'd like to ask if I'm on the right track / understanding and that as individuals we have our own preferences/likes/dislikes but in the universal view we are one. Is the fact that we are individually different more or less undeniable? Should we strive to accept ourselves individually as well as universally? I feel like there should be a balance between a meditative space and psychical realm. Likes and dislikes may be meaningless in an universal role but not in an individual/psychical realm.

Thanks for your time.

Hi. Been shadow working.

Emotional psychological trauma, unable to express feelings , overwelmed by stress , living in fear.

Socially scared, introverted.

Is it.possible my shadow is tender, passionate? And my persona is cold and distant due to trauma?

How do i aproach this??

Karen Carpenter isn’t really that different than other people, it’s just that in her narcissistic family system she was targeted to be the perfect mirror at the cost of herself. She may even have taken on that role of being a perfect mirror when she wasn’t supposed to, to take control of her family.

Anorexia is a brutal addiction, and like all addictions it is designed to self defeat inside a family system. Having a self in a narcissistic family system means death to the false selves of narcissists that require the movie. To stay alive through getting dopamine from the illusion of control. Generated by drama transactions.

There must be lots of Karpman Drama Triangle activity going on within the people that are mirroring back the false self to narcissists. This is why the splitting and projection secondary defense mechanism of pathological narcissists must go for “divide and conquer” in those around them. People must turn on themselves and others.

Richard was the golden child for his mother, and Karen screwed that up awfully. Once she stepped out from behind the drums and started to sing.

The depths of the envy behind the drive to keep the Carpenter movie going is beyond what can even be imagined. It is the definition of evil.

For all people the interface to the unconscious is the mother during our first thousand days of life.This is where we take in our family system and create an ego. Starting at 18 months of age. This is our internal family systems generation. This is where we create internal objects to be able to self regulate outside that first symbiosis.

At the doorstep to the schizoid phase when the human baby is 18 months old. Leading to the dividing of hemispheres in the brain so that the frontal cortex can operate and think about feelings. Plan. Get needs met. Collaborate in community. Be social and empathetic. Not as a concept, but biologically. Built on integration of biology step-by-step from the very beginning. Phase by phase.

Pathological narcissists don’t enter the schizoid phase at all, and substitute it with splitting. That is absolutely key to understanding Karen Carpenter and how she died at age 32. Loved by millions.

The creation of an ideal self happened in key people near her. If it wasn’t directly, it was coming through those people around her during the first 1,000 days. It came to her through her mother plus family system.

She definitely got the message.

The private religion of narcissism that requires mirrors all around it. Run by pathological envy. Now we know why Karen Carpenter was dead one year after the interview we see below. It all happened during her first thousand days. In a biological way.

The Carpenter family is a narcissistic family system. We can see exactly what that is below in the links provided.

A documentary has just been made about her, but still we don’t hear about the truth regarding a narcissistic family system and attachment trauma.

Below is also an interview of Karen Carpenter one year before she died. As you can see, her and her brother are not separate people at all. The mother and her narcissistic map (either through the generations or directly) fused the system.

To this day, this goes unnoticed.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8igss4

I have met dozens of young women who are literally addicted to self- injury, mostly by cutting their forearms. Generally, it is linked with drug addiction and alcoholism. Not always. Now, I have discovered it is not so uncommon even among men. Which psychological mechanisms could be behind this behaviour?

Do you have any interesting or meaningful childhood dreams? And potentially also how you interperted it.

What prompted me to ask this is my own childhood dreams, i often had nightmares about school and dreams where i was stuck in a room or under stairs. Looking back it was reflective of how i felt about school and how i often felt "locked in" because i suffered from muteness.

did freud and jung manage to not bite each other's head off within 30 mins of conversation...i got secondhand hostile vibes even imagining their interactions...let alone them actually being besties wth 😭 somebody explain this to me in jungian terms if you wish to. thanks

How do i stop identify myself with my sorrow?

After some bad experiences in my childhood and early adulthood that I was left alone to deal with, I reached a point where in my mind everything seems to be indirectly linked to loss.

Love, winning the lottery(I wish), going for holiday, meeting my nephew and nieces...

All those beautiful things are perpetually linked to an experience of loss in my crazy mind. The common denominator is always me.

Is it possible that the loss is in me? And whatever that comes into touch with me gets infected?

What loss am i mourning? The only thing that comes to my mind is the feeling I can only remember of myself being a kid.

I would dance and sing without realizing, completely unaware. Until other people make me notice. This is to me the biggest trauma and the biggest loss. The loss of myself as a body that is not constantly looked at, judged and more generally perceived.

This loss is not cured but all the beautiful things that I can get and that could make me happy because... at the end of the day... after all... all things considered...

They are not IT.

I had a dream that a librarian gave me a book about Borderline Personality Disorder

I don't know where this dream came from. I hadn't been thinking about BPD. I have sort of diagnosed myself with various things in the past but never had any official diagnosis.

In my dream I was in the library, returning a book. The librarian takes the book, goes away, and then comes back with a thick stack of forms about BPD. I think she has misunderstood me and am confused, but then I think it maybe happened for a reason, and that it's for the best.

In the next scene I dive into a pool to retrieve something and have trouble resurfacing. Then I get out the pool and am acting very erratically, chasing around some men that I was friends with in the past, acting abusively towards them.

I have also had a dream where my boyfriend told me I had ADHD.

What gives? I have a confusing history and am always trying to figure myself out and sometimes I diagnose myself with things but nothing ever really "sticks" or becomes part of my identity. I'm wondering about dream diagnoses.

Any suggestions?

Would like to make Jungian friends!

Hello all.

Since 2019, I've been having visions of a hut, a small rundown cottage. For context, it all began when I became curious in past lives meditations, and decided to give it a go.

The experience was similar to active imagination, but one scene I remember clearly is that I always begin in a small cottage. It's filled with dead leaves, spell books and bird poop. It's unkept but I didn't feel unsafe. Later, a guardian comes into the cottage. He looks extraterrestrial, tall, cloaked. Somewhat like the grim reaper except the skull resembles a pterodactyl. This might have significance, as I have also had a fascination for all things dinosaurs when I was around 4-9 years old.

Later, in one scene where I envision myself having blue eyes in one lifetime, as soon as I am brought back to the cottage, I realize now the guardian has those same blue eyes. I ask it, who are you? It replies telepathically that it is me.

Years later, I see this same cottage when I begin my active imagination sessions. And I can't help but wonder, what actually happened? It was also since then that I began having synchronicities, some paranormal experiences, and also a deep interest in spiritual growth. Nowadays, the hut has a different guardian, a "wild" mother. Her hair is unkept, dress sullied, and her face is decorated with a twisted smile. Around her face are either wounds or blood stains, I cannot tell. The archetype that comes to mind is the devouring mother, I however am not sure. She gestures me into the hut but nowadays, I stay away. When she smiles, I automatically think: I'm not ready to go yet.

The guardian I've met before isn't there, so I didn't go in. It just felt like I would "die" if I went in. Currently, I'm struggling with the dilemma of going on my own path, or the one in front of me. My own path, is scary honestly. There are a lot of unknowns, but it may also be very rewarding.

The one in front of me, I can pretty much guess how it will go. Because of this, I'm weary of this path, I don't even like it and it isn't one of my passions, it's just something I took up to please my family. This is for added context.

Has anyone else had the same experience?

We stopped seeing each other quite recently, and although I was doing ok the first few days, for the past week or two, I’ve been having nightly dreams in which he is in some way involved with another woman. There have been multiple scenarios, some of them include him talking to me about a woman he has feelings for, others include him getting physically affectionate with a woman in front of me, etc….They all end with me waking up very early in the morning, sometimes in tears, other times just utterly distraught.

Although the scenario may seem banal (it’s just an ex partner with a woman), it sends my body into a state which affects the rest of my day and makes it very hard to relax, a constant -knot in the stomach-.

For context, I am 26, and I would say this man was definitely my “first true love”. I chose to end it after a long, difficult period of going back and forth and being uncertain of what we should do. Mainly, due to long distance, the emotional intensity between us and the lack of respect and care for me he at times exhibited through his actions. I hold no grudges and still love him, and it merely feels like a ‘right person wrong time’ situation which I need to accept.

I understand that in Jung’s thought, the people in our dreams are representative of aspects of the self, but because of the intense feelings that the dream brings with it, it is made so difficult to demystify just what my subconscious is trying to tell me. Any ideas?

I really miss a good night sleep T.T

TL;DR Having nightly dreams of my very recent ex (whom I still love dearly but accept the finality of the break up) with other women which consume me and leave me unable to be present in my activités throughout the day. What could the dreams be trying to tell me?

It’s just easier to carry a grudge rather than confront the possibility that we made a mistake. Basically there is a fear of no-self, of being crazy, loony, totally out of step with reality. Instead of tackling this fear, we hide behind the idea of a “wrong” that someone inflicted on us. Tackling this fear would mean affirming the other person’s sovereignty and kingship, that they are king of the universe just as much as we are. Acknowledging that they see reality in a totally different way to us, had a reason for doing what they did and we might be wrong. It’s too hard and gaslighty so we just say they wronged us. Simple isn’t it?

would love to have friends well versed in this stuff to chat with in person!

I'm having such a hard time trying to figure out everything but I guess is mainly just career or job path. I think everything is boiling down to that part only. Because of confusion and rut of overthinking, I'm not living true life and taking actions.

But the thing is I do want to take actions and start something yet I have no clue what to do with my life. I tend to read people lives what they do and what type of job they do. How they get to view life but when it comes to me. I'm not able to focus on it. I sometimes don't understand why am I not a fighter. How come I don't have a challenging mentality to take risks and take on challenges. Why am I so soft and naive with life when the world is chasing after their goals. Majority of all my family relatives I know are all doing well perfectly in life. They are making significant amount of income and able to live life peacefully and proudly. I even feel bad sometimes when someone ask where do you work and what you do. I feel like an idiot saying oh I'm working in retail and I'm in community college despite not even understanding my end goal. I also realized I tend to turn off from difficult tasks. Don't seem to have mental strength and resistance. I tend to create so many filters like short education requirements but pays well or remote job or wanting good life with less work. This just completely feels wrong because you're supposed to work hard and that's where success is rewarded but today's society so many people lie on their resume just to get that desire job they wished. And people who do the right things often tend to suffer the most.

I understand that so many of my behaviors, beliefs, self-sabotaging practices, habits etc are from my unconscious part of my mind. How can I learn more about my unconscious self to get better (so that I can understand how my subconscious is unintentionally sabotaging me from getting better)? There is also a secret side (sexual desires, kinks,etc) of me which I am not comfortable sharing with others, even with my spouse. Any references to books, articles that can help? How about psilocybin or mdma?

I checked Jungian analysts and they are quite expensive (in the US). If you can point me to where I can find analysts who are more affordable, would appreciate it.

Something I feel perpetually scared of whether in movies or in my head late at night is the idea of a demon and/or other foreboding supernatural archetypes. I’m not sure when it developed but since my early adulthood I can remember movies of this nature really freaking me out. I have a moratorium on things of that nature as a result. I just don’t want those thoughts in my head.

However I am also surprisingly drawn to this mystical notion. I usually find out the plot and how the scary movie ends that I don’t want to see. I am interested in exploring fear (a clue).

Sometimes late at night I get scared thinking of some deep scary voice saying some fucked up shit to me. Maybe it’s just more supernatural forces that freak me out - something I don’t have any control over (a clue).

I don’t know if that shit is real or not. I also don’t really think something is gonna hop in my body and take over my life. I’m more afraid of the fear or the aesthetic of the whole matter or something…. I dunno. I have never had an actual experience that felt supernatural or alien but don’t rule it out.

What do y’all think? Thanks in advance.

"You see, the sex complex belongs to a hedonistic type of man who thinks in terms of his pleasure and displeasure, while there is another class of man, chiefly the man who has not arrived, who thinks in terms of power and defeat, and to him it is far more important to win out somewhere than his whole sex problem.

Obviously, life has the two aspects, namely, self preservation and the preservation of species. There you have the two things. Nobody in his senses dismisses the one or the other thing. We always have both aspects, because we are meant to be balanced."

- Carl Jung

“It is a frightening thought that man also has a shadow side to him, consisting not just of little weaknesses and foibles, but of a positively demonic dynamism. The individual seldom knows anything of this; to him, as an individual, it is incredible that he should ever in any circumstances go beyond himself. But let these harmless creatures form a mass, and there emerges a raging monster; and each individual is only one tiny cell in the monster’s body, so that for better or worse he must accompany it on its bloody rampages and even assist it to the utmost. Having a dark suspicion of these grim possibilities, man turns a blind eye to the shadow-side of human nature.”

— Jung

What do you believe this says about him?

Hi all

Long story short had a panic attack and then saw a dream like vision. Help me decipher it.

Long story -- prolog: I just had my first panic attack 15 mins after having a conversation with my friends about childhood trauma. I do not remember having any traumatic experience as a child and I would swear that my parents were not abusive, but a little emotionally distant.

-- begining: After the panick attack I felt turbulence inside me and fear. So I stayed alone in my home and just felt this feeling, hoping to gain insight. The more I focused on this feeling the more it changed from fear to something like anger and frustration. I went deep into this feeling and reached a meditative state, where I closed my eyes and images started appearing in my mind like a dream.

-- waking dream: In this state I saw my chest unravel like velvet and hands reached inside it, bringing up something rotten black and forgotten. Then I looked inside this hole in the chest and there was a spider guarding it viciously. I became a serpent with skin made of stone and million knives along my body and with extreme rage rended the spider to pieces. Along my decent I was met with resistance, from a swarm of the spider's kids, but to no avail, they were slain as well. This hole run from the chest of this body, my body I suppose, even tho I was a serpent inside it now, down to the tip of the penis. When the descent ended and I exited this tunnel I was in a large place full of steaming hot lava and long dragon heads wailing from inside it. There was a mountain of dead demons adorned with golden wings and on top of it the rest of them, backstabbed each other for the position on the top of the mountain. I had regained my human form, and now located in close proximity to this mountain, surrounded by hills of golden coins . Suddenly a wave of these coins threw me on the air, and from inside it a golden enormous worm with thound teeth arose, swallowing me whole. For some reason I was armed and cut it's head from within, and readied my self for the demons had noticed and rushed to attack. I fended them for a while until a bunch of them stabbed me with their spears, but I did not die. Instead I absorbed the spears into my body and made them my own, growing a hand to wield each one and the demons were slain. Lastly a Colossus made of stone appeared. I busted it's face, getting inside it and meeting a single purple glowing eye. It talked with intelligible sounds to me and then blasted me with a ray of energy. Cutting the ray in two with my weapon I closed on it and stabbed it in it's pupil. An explosion occurred shattering the whole head.

I really wish to not experience a panic attack again it sucked, and I need to find the cause for this please help decipher this thing.

So, I've been reading "King, Warrior, Magician, Lover" by Robert Moore, I haven't finished the book yet, but what I've wondered when applying these archetypes is, how would the Anima come into play in all this? I know they haven't mentioned it, and I don't know if they will, but considering all the qualities of these archetypes, I'm wondering where room is for the Anima in all this. Because the Anima seems very important for the man as well.

So, for those of you who have read this book, what do you have to say about how the Anima relates to these archetypes, especially once they work together in the man?

I've noticed that my actions are defined by this feeling, that I am not really acting in accordance to who I really am.

I often rush things and finish things as quickly as possible because each moment, although I can enjoy it, is not where I really want to be.

I feel like I am always waiting for my life to start (and while I am, it's passing me by).

I've had one overarching goal in my life, to have a life partner. Yet I have never experienced that.

I promised myself that when I was very young, I though it would be fast (to at least have a girlfriend) but instead that goal has defined me for years.

I would never rush if I was already with her, yet now it's who I am?

My mom recently said she thinks she enjoys quality time with the family more than the rest of us, I thought for me it might seem so but it's not true, I LOVE it, I just can't be fully present there yet. In that moment. I want my partner to be there too, I feel like every second without her is, I don't know, unacceptable? Distraction? Not real? A second too much? Wrong?

I'm so blinded by this.

Whatever I do and wherever I am, I always feel stressed, like I am supposed to be with her. I feel truly sad that we have spent so many years apart already, she must exist somewhere but we haven't even met, it's an overwhelming sadness that can never fully heal. I know she is not the solution though, it's within me.

I also constrain myself because of this, I hold myself back for her sake which has become a problem because I am literally not allowing myself in starting to live.

I study Jung like 101 I know the concept of archetype but are they real? If it is real ,is it in term of psychology of the mind , or like in term of spiritual that processe us?

For the last maybe 2 months I’ve been dreaming of beating the living daylights out of my father. It’ll usually start with me telling him how much I seriously don’t like him or even love him. I may also tell him that I’m a lesbian and how much I despise the idea of being with a man because how could I when he’s one of my first examples of one. I specifically noticed in these dreams most blows if not all were to his face. For some context I’m a 21 year old (African American) woman and as previously stated, I am a lesbian. My dad would say we’re closer than I would. We do still talk but that is because I still need him financially. From 12- almost 17 I lived with him alone, 8 hours away from my mother. He was a helicopter parent essentially. And a little more context, he is Muslim, was a boxer in his youth, and I am his only daughter. We also lived in a big city. I was allowed to go to school and come home. I could only hang out with him and family members. For example I might be allowed to go with a cousin my age and another much older cousin to skate but he would call a lot and if I mistakenly didn’t answer, all hell would break loose. I did not even go to school events like dances. I also did not have a smart phone usually because he liked punishing me for pretty much anything with taking it and giving me a flip phone. I know he just didn’t want me to have access to my peers. I developed chronic depression (which I still deal with) in the first year of living with him. I also became suicidal. When he found out about this and saw how I dealt with it, he spitefully suggested I use a gun to avoid surviving and showed me how to shoot it. I actually tried mentioning that to him later in life and he said I was “in my feelings”. I could go on in ways he’s traumatized me but yea. I guess I just wanted to hear how people interpret these dreams.

ideas about what this dream could mean?

I dreamt that I was in my old building with a friend, and both of us were playing soccer - I was in goal, and he was shooting at the goal. Suddenly, we heard a loud noise and went to investigate. I thought it might be my uncle coming to see us, but instead, we saw the body of a woman lying in the partition between our building and the adjacent one. I became desperate and shouted to my friend, saying that we needed to help in some way. I started shouting, but the woman didn't seem to respond; perhaps she was dead. I then remembered that something similar had happened the day before: a woman had mysteriously fallen from the neighboring building. So I tried to climb the wall where she was, but as soon as I climbed up, I could see the playground of the other building, and there I saw a figure all dressed in black that disappeared after a few seconds.

Just curious.

For example lots of young men are swearing by the effect Jordan Peterson had on them, although his style is mostly about giving you harsh criticism and making you feel guilty.

Wouldn't that cause further damage to the inner child and cause adverse effects? Why does criticizing someone badly sometimes work?