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This is the place for that crazy idea you had about how Naruto is really Yato from Noragami and how Pokémon was all a dream. Feel Free to Discuss, Debate, Prove and Disprove. No Theory is too small or too crazy!

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This is the place for that crazy idea you had about how Naruto is really Yato from Noragami and how Pokémon was all a dream. Feel Free to Discuss, Debate, Prove and Disprove. No Theory is too small or too crazy!

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Imagine if touya from isekai smartphone had the personality of meliodas from nanatsu no taizai?

(by the time i wrote this i only watched the first season so im comparing to that) well first of all the show wouldn't be called isekai smartphone 'cause meliodas would prob bring more stuff

to the isekai smartphone world like a lot of dildos for reasons, second there are a lot of episodes i feel would be a little different, like the slime castle and beach episodes, altho i might be wrong because some would argue that he only like that to Elizabeth but lets say hes a perv to everyone so that would effect the show,

third, in the episode of the flowing island where that girl is with her panties i think he would just be weird and wouldn't be deemed worthy of becoming her master.

fourth and last i think he would've accept the proposals in the final episode and not stall linze elze yumina and yue's about getting married, he would've said yes the moment they would say that.

thats it if you agree its cool, if you don't tell me why in the comments

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2024/11/27
13:55 UTC

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Gon Freecss's mom would be perfect if she would be the Netero's geisha (read more).

I don't know how to call her so the pic, she doesn't have a name and she is the one who interrupt Ging asking about "are you sure you have enuff money? do you know how much we are?". It makes sense, they hate each other and they pretend to not know each other.

Obviously this is my imaginatio but I was thinking:

  • Gon's mom left him to Ging and she never had cared about;
  • she need to be part of that world;
  • being a geisha means being part of elite parties and cannot have kids or boyfriends;
  • probably she was a maiko;
  • Ging surely hates her;
  • since Ging is what we know and since she left his son alone surely they will be both "who care".

I know is impossible but it would be a perfect way to introduce Gon's mom.

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2024/11/21
22:45 UTC

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I ever wondered did Pain/Nagato knew Naruto was a Uzumaki and how he felt about?

I ever thought that he knew. Now I don't remember if he told him the full name but he knew he was the Nine tail and was known that Uzumaki where strong for this and probable he knew about Kushina, his parents were alive and he wasn't a todler (while Naruto was a newborn and Karin were both too young).

Both Nagato (Pain) and Itachi were able to understand and probably they clearly remember who is Kushina and the relationship between Leaf and Whirling village so probably he knew.

So, I ever wondering, since probably he knew from Itachi the Naruto's full name how he felt?

So, as logic, there's a high possibility that Nagato saw Naruto's Uzumaki side as traitors since he thought Leaf was one of the ones who killed his parents.

And even if he wasn't aware growing older surely he would find out it.

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2024/11/21
22:38 UTC

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Does Fubuki Shirou from the anime inazuma eleven suffer from dissociative identity disorder or is it juste a split personality?

Hello, excuse me for disturbing you but I was wondering if the character Fubuki Shirou/Shawn Frost in the anime Inazuma Eleven could suffer from dissociative identity disorder? He seems to have many symptoms related to this disorder such as the presence of an alter, the integration of his personalities, he has a feeling of confusion about his identity…, if some people know this anime I would be delighted to receive your answer (I am interested in the portrait that the media can establish of different mental illnesses). If I said something offensive I apologize.

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2024/11/10
20:13 UTC

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So I had a naruto theory that sparked off this image.

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2024/11/08
10:04 UTC

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Analyzing AKIRA (small essay)

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2024/10/28
10:10 UTC

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What if there was a new villain that was so strong he/she can take on Zeno

All the universe's had to team up together to defeat him and Zeno had unlock his true form after being unconscious for a few hours and defeated him.

Whould you think it would be one of the best arcs

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2024/10/28
07:48 UTC

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After math of the fight with goddess vicus(got name wrong /don't care )

After heros return to their own world Tou-ka stayed behind married sears (high elf princess)and is working and learning under Erika,to find a way to travel between worlds at low cost (mostly like set teleportation gate first create on their after create one in earth ) ,tou-ka find reason elf Kingdom kick sears out because for her own protection, journey to the High elf Kingdom, return home sears is found to have got pregnant and after year later their child is born they celebrate in Erika place(by the way they built thier own house in her place/mostly live with neighbours like nyantan or nee-tan ,with her three sisters and nyaka,nyake Plays with her sister and friends with lis(little dark elf),after celebrating this in Erika place they go country at the end of the world -with entire group nyantan,three sisters,nyaka,Erika,Eve,lis Skipping journey(did happen but now I don't have Idea to write)and after celebrating in the country at the end of the world (By the way child is twin one boy , one girl ,boy with Sears yellow golden hair , girl with black hair like deep dark night you can probably imagine her personality is going to be like her father /same thing with how to train my dragon after math marriage and children) After that they go to greet and get the blessings of new divine that get her to replace Killed vicus and her name is Lokiella

She is recovering and getting her health back little by Little (she love her creation more like mother earth type god opposite of the previous foul godess and after she fix heaven or more set new rules with elder of divine so vicus case don't repeat after her descendence her first blessings goes to twin for the service their parents,tou-ka,and sears have provided during final battle with goddess)

After that I think I can write some big more let get to talk about more childrens

After their twins were about two year they find sears have to found got pregnant again so third sibling is also daughter with mix of Black and yellow golden hair )

I think let's add more 8 children to call

I think munin after final fight also married tou-ka and have three children all with mark by flame (cool tattoo at the back) But she is busy as diplomat of the country at the end of the world and busy with paper work and also after final fight mera give some of the land to country at the end of the world and they are busy buliding it and farming also Mera give the person to teach work and all with and munin is also the governor of the buliding town

Sun,27 oct, 2024 ,2:31 am currently (just for information I'm still writing)

And ya I forgot

Tou-ka is no longer completely human but for the service he provides to heavens and all gather up all their remaining power to turn him into demi god but for the desire to married sears his but only some what give him just more mana and lifespan (mind rejected and only get things tou-ka wants), basically semi immortal (can get killed,but if not in fight he can live as long as he likes)

High Elfs have like have even at mid age(25) they are 8000 years old ( got hint from Goblin Slayer)

So tou-ka and sears don't have to worried about get sapreated and even if they die they will retain their power and look and memories one of the things tou-ka ask to god's elder and all heroes dead or alive or get killed by vincus will retain their only memory after they die and already death will get all their memories

Also uncle and aunty is happy for sears and tou-ka too

Tou-ka become semi-human/semi-demi-god

And sears already top class genes and also have get her side perk from primal armort

Their children sets on a journey to find rara items like primal stone and and blue dragon stone and find new continent (the one widely beautiful emperor mentioned )

Also tou-ka have new job now his is hero advisor/trainer select by gods because they can't have him nothing to do and only enjoy his life with his wifes ,and sears have new job of protecting the man who have enter godhood, basically she does what she see always do protecting her husband

Tou-ka is also a hero but because of his extra hero class status and no growth limit ,god can have him as their massanger and have him save some other world and so does travelling with his wifes and childrens

Because of tou-ka semi-human/semi-demi-god status

His children with elf royalty (high elf) and kurosage (clan who is protector of the world if divine gets corrupt/previously but vicus got them killed with another country army do she can just say that was human war)

Becomes god child ,new race with can only achieve if person is human/god and god also not god but also human with child ,with royalties of each race can achieve

Only tou-ka or his is the first one to ever achieve this so tou-ka can expect his children to get pass him someday but that day is so far ahead

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2024/10/26
21:42 UTC

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Kakin Empire 3rd Prince, Zhang Lei's Nen Beast Power

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2024/10/22
12:23 UTC

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The true three ancient weapons (check the shared post for context)

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2024/10/15
11:29 UTC

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Killua’s DARK MATTER Nen ability | HUNTER X HUNTER Theory

Credit: KitePlanet ( YouTube )

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2024/09/09
19:54 UTC

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The author of “Hunter X Hunter” is the author of “Jujutsu Kaisen”

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2024/08/22
11:25 UTC

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Shikanoko Nokonoko Koshitantan INSANE THEORY!?!1

Bashame Meme and Shikanoko Noko are actual DRU6 ADDICTS?! the w33ds they "eat" are actually MAR1HUANA!!!!!!!?? iis that could be whyu is BASHAME always looking so high!?!?! and thoughtless?? and shes always on gastro!?!?!?

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2024/08/20
22:48 UTC

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Sexo

Le digo hola y ella me dice good bye, le digo nena como tu ya no hay

pasen sus pasatiempos favoritos :P

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2024/08/19
18:02 UTC

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Theory on Saiki K

I wanted to voice my thoughts somewhere and see how people felt about it. I think that every character with an unnatural hair color has some sort of power. The 2 easiest ones are Teruhashi who has a power to make people love her and Hairo who has a pyrokinesis power. Then if you look at Nendo specifically Nendos dad its the only character that appears as a ghost without Saiki touching Reita. There are some more I wont go into depth here, but since Saiki used his power to change hair colors I think some of his power might have went inside them.

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2024/08/18
16:39 UTC

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Is this a morse cipher code in One Piece?

Can someone solve it?

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2024/08/11
17:07 UTC

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Is this a morse cipher code in One Piece?

Can someone solve it?

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2024/08/11
17:05 UTC

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Is this a morse cipher code in One Piece?

Can someone solve it?

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2024/08/11
17:05 UTC

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Whattsapp group

Hi I'm making some whattsapp gc with my friend based on our interest I have a anime /manga / cosplay one if anyone if intrestied under 20 age

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2024/07/11
09:52 UTC

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re: zero theory: the prime timeline

good day. i have a theory about "re: zero: starting life in another world" and the origin of the witch of jealousy satella. my theory is that the timeline the main series takes place in right now is actually not the original time line, but rather an time line created long after the prime one and that satella is emilia from another timeline. the prime timeline if you will

how the prime timeline took place:

simply put: its a timeline where everything, through dumb luck went correctly for subaru in one go, except for one thing: the very end. in that time line (lets call it the prime timeline, or PT for short), subaru was summoned to the a world similair to the current time line's (current timeline or CT) but with 3 key differences:

1: PT satella does not exist outside of a prophecy.

2: the PT witch's cult is trying to make said prophesy come true.

3: PT subaru does not have return by death through

like i said, everything went right in the timeline, however somewhere at the end, PT subaru dies and PT emilia falls into despair. this causes a dormant which factor in emilia to awaken. remember that scene within CT emilia's memories from season 2 where we saw little CT emilia holding a key with CT pandora beside her? that key was meant to awaken her witch factor, which i believe is something a hand full of people in the world of re: zero are naturally born with. but back to the main theory.

how timeline: 2 till the previous one took place:

my idea is that the witch factor of envy belongs to emilia, and that after PT emilia awakened it, she slauthered the witch's cult and eventually learned what her witch factor's abilities were as well as that the prophecy was about her. after that she transported herself back in time, creating a second timeline. however, she went back to far, and upon realizing it, went in a rampage, which resulted in her being sealed away. wallowing in despair until a new version subaru arrived. dring this time, she tried to use her powers to quietly manipulate the outcome. this however had dissasterous results as subaru died earlier. and resulting in a second satella to manifest later on. so how does PT emilia react? she went back in time again, caused a rampage, got sealed away and waited for subaru to return, influencing him at the same point in time and, after failing more than once and the in the next time line, waited to a later point, than timeline 2 and the others.

how she influence subaru in CT:

after trying to influence the timeline countless times, she finally to do it in a more subtle way: by giving CT subaru a part of her witch factor, the ability to return to the past upon death. when she also put chekpoints in place at moments where subaru is most likely to make a fatal decision, all in the hope that subaru would survive. this timeline is the current one and where the main series took place.

anyway, that is my theory about re: zero, satella, her origin and the original timeline. i hope you all like it. leave your featback in the comment and have a nice day

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2024/07/08
10:11 UTC

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Give me your opinoin

I was thinking when I realised gon from hunter x hunter and nezuko have the same abilities. I know there isn't a connection but it got me wondering if gon was a demon because they both can grow into an adult form that makes them much stronger

I want to know what you all think about this theory

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2024/07/03
06:20 UTC

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Akuma Kun (2023) Theory (Spoilers Ahead)

This thought/theory is very long so I apologize in advance lol.

So i've recently watched all 12 episodes of Akuma Kun on Netflix and let me say I love the concept and characters for the show. I found out that this is actually like a sequel to the 1989 ver. Akuma Kun and tried to watch that, but sadly could only find 11 episodes online.

Getting to the point, in both versions it states that an Akuma Kun comes around every 10 000 years, yet in the 2023 show it seemed to show a small time gap, revealing all the old characters all grown up. Ichiro was found by Shingo Umoregi (the first Akuma Kun) and Mephisto the Second in the demon world when he was a child. While Shingo and Mephisto fought Strophaia, Soloman's Flute reacted to Ichiro. In the 1989 version, Professor Faust told Shingo that Soloman's flute will only react to the true Akuma Kun.

So my question is how is it possible for Ichiro to be the new Akuma kun when an Akuma Kun only comes every 10 000 years? Especially since Shingo is still alive.

My theory is that in the 2023 version, Ichiro was apparently abandoned by both humans and demons alike. I also looked up other versions of the Akuma kun series, and found that there was another version of Akuma Kun where the main character was named Ichiro Matsushita and his hair colour is similar as well. What if there was time travel involved somehow and Ichiro actually came from the past? It might explain why he was all alone. Maybe Strophaia brought him to the future since he's a powerful angel and has unexplainable powers? There was also the fact that Strophaia freaked out when Ichiro held the flute, so maybe he knew Ichiro was Akuma Kun?

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2024/06/15
03:27 UTC

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One Piece: The Hope Behind the Will of D.

So in a previous Post I theorized that The D related to the D clan stood for Docking. In animal Terms Relating to Cut Away/Remove the tail. A way that the Original Slave owners used to Brand their Slaves/sacrifices. I saw the D clan being the first slaves/sacrifices as well as Minks. Taking the D as initial To remind them of the pain of the past and remind them that they were already marked for death (so they might as well greet death with a smile). I believe the Original D clan Breed with other and freed more and more slaves/sacrifices branding their descendants and newly rescued with the Initial D. The D clan grew, Evolved, and spread with the majority becoming the ancient Kingdom and Changing the meaning of the D (not the word) to one hopeful and creating the Will of D.

As The Minks started dwindling in number becoming scarcer. The Original slavers changed targets for the slaves to other races changing the way they branded their slaves/sacrifices. The Dragons Foot print became the way the Celestial dragons began to brand their slave.

Now with the Ancient Kingdom being extremely advanced, I believe they had some way of looking into the future. And Looked into the future to see the final battle. This can be possible since we know Roger stated that he was to early and didn't pass any information of the future onto others except what the D stood for to Whitebeard. Whitebeard implied that the one Roger and in turn the Ancient Kingdom was waiting for someone that they saw from their peak into the future. We also Knew that Oden and Toki had an idea of what would come about within the future. This is why Toki sent her kids 20 years into the future knowing that would be the time when Luffy would come around. And Why Oden wanted to prep Wano by breaking the walls.

I believe the People of the ancient Kingdom evolved the Docking term to one of "Mechanical" connection creating the Will of D. I believe the ancient Kingdom saw a future of Luffy Creating The Super Massive Docking Robot 6 Billon. A robot that combined all of the races, species, creatures, ancient weapons, and even the souls of the fallen coming together to destroy the Red Line. A robot that Luffy's full powers turns Rubber unable to take damage ensuring the fates of the future. The Ancient Kingdom created a statue of this Robot that became the last of many treasures of the One Piece along with the truth of the world. So after Roger and his crew learned the truth of everything They saw the statue which was marked as the hope for the future. This is why Roger and his Crew Laughed. I believe this Statue will be what gives Luffy the Idea for the final fight.

Now for anyone wondering how the Robot could be formed Remember that we have a character with a unique devil fruit that will be meeting up with the strawhats soon. Wapol with the Munch-Munch fruit and the Munch Munch Factory. We know that after eating 2 people he was able to literately fuse them together to form one being. now imagine Luffy Turning the Arc Noah with all of the living being on it into a pancake and folding it up like a flag to shove into Wapol's Throat. Forming Luffy's Robot. Now to counter statements I know will come

  • "Devil fruit users can't eat 2 devil fruits so what happens if he eats another devil fruit user? We've seen this happen 2 times before the first with Wapol when he ate Chopper (He did spit him out after, but there is still president in the character) And we've seen Kaido eat a devil fruit user in Luffy without dying. So it's totally possible.
  • "But won't everyone just stay fused together?" In Stampede (Yes I know it's not Cannon but still shows a president) We see Chess and Kuromarimo unfused.

This theory is very much something I believe Luffy would think of and Oda would create. Oda is very much a guy that tries to go the opposite way that many think he will and create a fun and wacky story. A story with the painful and traumatizing moments that help to build up the future ideas of hope through the story. So the Will of D standing as a mark of Tragedy only to become a symbol of Hope is something I fully believe Oda would do.

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2024/06/11
03:43 UTC

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One Piece: A new theory for the Will of D stands for.

I think several great Ideas for what the Will of D could stand for exist. From Dreams, Destiny, Dawn, Demons, Devils, Deity, Divine, Dragons, Destruction, and many more. But one I haven’t seen is actually one that could imply a Brutal history, but could turn into a Hopeful story. But before I mention it I have to explain some things to set up the theory

The First thing i want to explain Is I believe The Story of One Piece has several connections to that of the Aztec’s 5 Sun myth. The part I want to focus on is the second sun, with the Sun being Quetzalcoatl or a One Piece representation of Nika (I have already covered in my connections theory it pinned on my reddit). But to get to the point in the end of the myth the Humans who were seen as disrespectful to the gods and were turned into Monkeys. They were blown away, saved from execution by Quetzalcoatl and banished. In the Connections theory I saw these Monkeys representing 3 possible groups. The first group was the D Clan as Enemies of Gods and the Connection of 3 monkey related D Clan members. The Second group was one that I saw connected to the first, former Slaves and sacrifices of the first god. With The slaves and sacrifices becoming the D Clan. I still believe this. 

But before I continue Let’s tell you what I believe the D. stands for. Since that is what you came for.  I believe the D stands for Docking. Specifically Docking related to Animals. Docking is a term used in animals meaning to Cut Away/ Remove an animal’s Tail. Typically for working animals Docking would be done to avoid future injuries. Another reason it was done, typically with horses, was to avoid the tail entangling in reigns or farming machinery since that could inconvenience the owners further. Regardless of the reasons the Docking involves the removal of the tail which is seen as cruel. 

Now the Third group I compared the monkeys of the Myth to possibly were the Minks due to their beastial nature. However now I'll add, if the Original slave owners in One Piece were anything like the Current group of Slaves owners. They might have seen species like the Minks as lesser, using them as slaves or sacrifices to their god. With reasons relating to the real world purpose of Docking they Cut the Minks Tails to avoid further inconveniences in the future while they worked. If the Sacrifice concept is the Possibility (Which I more strongly Believe) Docking could have been used as a way of marking the minks as Sacrifices. Whether as a slave or a sacrifice they were save By Nika. Since they were already marked for death and saved, when they were faced with death they smiled. 

Those originally saved by Nika Marked themselves with a D. They passed the D. down through the ages of Breeding and spreading and the majority became the Ancient Kingdom. 

I want to continue with the future hopeful story, but this was already way too long. Let me know in the comments your thoughts and if this theory gains some traction I can present my Idea for the Hopeful story of descendants of those Docked.

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2024/06/08
10:03 UTC

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One Piece: Aztec's 5 Sun myth Part 5 Heavily Revised

Introductions

This Is a series of Connections I am trying to make for One Piece to the Aztec 5 suns Myth. Now this series of connections has been split into 5 parts each covering 1 of the 5 suns. In this series of connections I am trying to compare the major godly figures mentioned in the myth to Important figures of One Piece History as well as small details from the myth representing factors in One Piece.

I have already covered connections to Nika's Age in Parts 1 and 2. I have Covered Connections to Joy Boy’s Age (Void century) in parts 3 and 4 with the whole theory of what happened in the void century in part 4 

This Part is the part that means the most to me. The Connections I saw with Luffy and Blackbeard to the myth of the 5 sun was what led me down the theory of connections to the Aztec Myth. This is a heavily revised version of my original theory of the Connections made with Luffy and Blackbeard to the fifth sun. This series of connections include several characters that I feel will play an important role in the final conflict of One Piece. So my theory for the rundown of a piece of the Final Conflict of One Piece will be down Below.

As I've been doing since the beginning, since Aztec Mythology has many Characters with Complex, confusing and a lot of the times overlapping names I Have put the names of the characters of prominence to the Aztec name Hopefully to help it read easier. 

This is going to be long but I hope it is worth it and I Hope You enjoy.

The Fifth Sun (Myth)

The fifth world of the fifth sun starts with the gods convened in darkness to choose a new sun. Two volunteers were chosen; the first was the young son of Tlaloc (Joy Boy) and Chalchiuhtlicue (Poisedon), Tecuciztecatl (Blackbeard) who volunteered for honor. The second volunteer was an expendable god known as Nanauatzin (Luffy). A bonfire was lit by Xiuhtecuhtli (Akinue). Both gods were given the opportunity to jump into the bonfire and become the fifth sun. Tecuciztecatl (Blackbeard) tried first but was not brave enough to walk through the heat near the flames and turned around. Nanauatzin (luffy) then walked slowly towards the bonfire jumping into the flames with no hesitation, he was consumed. Tecuciztecatl (Blackbeard) seeing the act followed. The braver Nanauatzin (Luffy) became the god Tonatiuh (Gear 6 Nika Awakening) Who is personified as the Sun. Tecuciztecatl (Blackbeard) became another sun. The 2 suns shone equally as bright. The gods seeing shame in Tecuciztecatl (BlackBeard) slapped him in the face with a rabbit darkening his light and Turning him into the moon. Tonatiuh (Nika Awakening) and Tecuciztecatl (BlackBeard) due to the dual sacrifices the Sun and Moon would not move within the sky. The assembled gods decided that the only way to solve this predicament was for yet more gods to be sacrificed. Thus, the Wind god Ehecatl (Dragon) set about slaying them. Several gods willingly sacrifice themself including Tezcatlipoca (Imu) and Huitzilopochtli (Buggy). One god Xolotl (BlackBeard Awakening), unwilling to die, resisted. After slaying several gods Ehecatl (Dragon)  eventually caught up to Xolotl (BlackBeard Awakening) and killed him. 

In other myths Tonatiuh (Nika True Awakening) demanded obedience and sacrifice from the other gods before he would move. Enraged at his arrogance a god Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli (Aokiji) attacks Tonatiuh (Nika True Awakening) but is hit back instead becoming the god of Frost Itztlacoliuhqui (Aokiji Awakening)

In some versions of the myth Tecuciztecatl (Blackbeard) is only the son of Tlaloc (Joy Boy)

Alternate Sun (Myth)

Coatlicue (Earth) gave birth to the goddess of the moon Coyolxāuhqui (Imu) and 400 children that represented the stars known as the Centzonhuītznāhua (Celestial Dragons). One day Coatlicue (Earth) was impregnated by a ball of feathers. Coyolxāuhqui (Imu) and the Centzonhuītznāhua (Celestial Dragons) felt dishonored by learning this information and chose to kill Coatlicue (Earth). After beheading Coatlicue (Earth) out popped Huitzilopochtli (Buggy) the god of the sun who beheaded Coyolxāuhqui (Imu) whose head became the moon. Huitzilopochtli (Buggy) chased off the Centzonhuītznāhua (Celestial Dragons) who continued to attack and try to kill Coatlicue (Earth) causing the movement of the sun, moon, and stars.

This myth is a revamped version of the fifth sun myth that replaced that of Nanauatzin (Luffy) after the Aztec reformed their religion in later part of their Empire. The myth was used to build up the status of Huitzilopochtli (Buggy) to that of Quetzalcoatl (Nika), Tezcatlipoca (Imu), and Tlaloc (Joy Boy).

Connection to the fifth sun (TLDR)

The most blatant connections to the fifth sun is Nanauatzin (luffy) and Tecuciztecatl (Blackbeard) 

  • Nanauatzin (luffy) moving to sacrifice himself and jump into the bonfire without hesitation is a clear parallel to Luffy's reckless, carefree attitude. 
    • Nanauatzin (luffy) becoming the fifth sun is a clear parallel to Luffy activating the Sun God Nika Devil Fruit and revealing it through gear 5.. 
    • Nanauatzin (luffy) picture is very similar to the Gear 5 silhouette as well as Luffy's Skypiea Bonfire silhouette. All with there arms and legs in the same pose with what appears to be a Jovial smile on their faces

Nanauatzin (luffy)

Luffy Skypiean Silhouette

Luffy Gear 5 silhouette

  • Tecuciztecatl (Blackbeard) Volunteering to be the sacrifice for honor, Hesitating at the moment of sacrifice, and Regaining courage after seeing Nanauatzin (luffy) can be a clear parallel to Blackbeard’s attitude swings acting proud and confident one moment and then scared and cowardly in another. 
    • Tecuciztecatl (Blackbeard) becoming the moon can be paralleled through Blackbeard's association with the moon when seen in Oda’s drawing of him as a child. As well as his associations without being unable to sleep. 
    • Tecuciztecatl (Blackbeard) connections to rabbits can be seen in blackbeard in Drum island arc. Blackbeard’s introduction to the story is preceded immediately by the Lapins (Giant snow rabbits) being shown in the story. 
    • Tecuciztecatl (Blackbeard) being the son of Tlaloc (Joy Boy) could imply a lineage factor to Joy Boy 
    • Tecuciztecatl (Blackbeard) picture commonly used is Extremely similar to that of the picture Oda Drew of Blackbeard as a Child next to the moon. Both seems to be sitting down in the fetal position with looks of sorrow on their face

Tecuciztecatl (Blackbeard)

BlackBeard

  • Xiuhtecuhtli (Akinue) is the God of fire and lord of Volcanoes. His role in the myth lighting the sacrificial fire could be alluding to A clash between Akainu vs Luffy and Blackbeard. 
  • Tonatiuh (Nika Awakening) being the form taken by Nanauatzin (luffy) after he sacrifices himself could be shown in the Awakening of the Nika fruit Fruit. We already know the fruit only awakened after Luffy was seemingly Killed.  However the fruits power up has not been shown to be super effective against the Gorosei which could imply a second True awakening during or after a fight with Akainu
    • With 56 being read as Gomu in Japanese a second True awakening could imply a Gear 6 for luffy.
  • Ehecatl (Dragon) is a wind god and an aspect of a humanoid Quetzalcoatl (Nika). Ehecatl (Dragon) is personified as the wind itself and his action in the myth is killing the other gods to set in motion the movement of the sun. This could easily be seen in Monkey D. Dragons connection to 2 separate wind storms saving both Luffy and Sabo. Implying a Wind based Devil Fruit possibly a Wind Logia. (Sorry to disappoint all the Quetzalcoatl fans, but maybe Gear 6). Ehecatl (Dragon) killing the other gods gathered could be a reference to Dragon killing of the celestial dragons that might choose to stand against Luffy.
  • Xolotl (BlackBeard Awakening) has some connections already made in part 4 to 3 possible characters Zunesha, Blackbeard Awakening (Cerberus) and Akainu I will not go over them but I will go over the connections with Xolotl in the 5th myth being killed by Ehecatl (Dragon) and setting the world in motion. 
    • Zunesha doesn’t make sense for this connection because it would imply Dragon having to kill or possibly defeat Zunesha. These 2 have no known connection in One Piece and are both Allies of Luffy and the straw hats.
    • Blackbeards Awakening (Ceberus) I have already made connections to a possible cerberus inspired devil fruit (a Joy Boy ally). Blackbeard's cowardness could be represented in the devil fruit and act as the connection to Xolotl's (BlackBeard Awakening) resistance to Ehecatl (Dragon). Blackbeard is already a wild card that has a connection to Dragon after trying to attack him and the other revolutionaries post Dressrosa and could possibly face off against him again in the future. These Connection make A possible Blackbeard Awakening the most likely of the 3 connections 
    • Akainu, a Magma Magma user named after a dog, already shows a clear connection to Xolotl (BlackBeard Awakening). We also can assume by the way Akainu talks about Luffy that he and Dragon have a connection. With both being on opposite sides the chances of them clashing already exist. 
  • Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli (Aokiji) becoming the god of frost Itztlacoliuhqui (Aokiji Awakening) makes a simple connection to Aokiji who has the Chil Chil fruit. Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli (Aokiji) attacking Tonatiuh (Nika True Awakening) could allude to Aokiji standing in the way of Luffy one final time showing off a possible awakening of his fruit. 
  • Finally Huitzilopochtli (Buggy) is a god of war, a sun god, and an incredibly fierce god. His connection as well as his myth replacing that of Nanauatzin (luffy) is likely a representation of Buggy’s false fame. It is not meant to represent how we as readers see Buggy but how others in the world see Buggy. It is a connection that Possibly fits even better Nanauatzin to Luffy or Tecuciztecatl to Blackbeard.
  • As for the rest of the gods who are not named in the myth I believe they represent the Celestial Dragons.
  • Tezcatlipoca (Imu) mentioned in part 1
  • Cipatli (Red Line) mention in part 1 and 4)

Possible meaning for the story/Rundown of a piece of the final Conflict (Theory/ No TLDR)

First I will not be covering the entire final conflict of One piece which is almost assured to be a massive war bigger than Marineford and factor many other inspirations behind it. I will focus on what I believe to be the most vital part connecting to that of the 5 suns myth, the conclusion of the war. The majors players hinted at above in the connection section include 

  • Luffy (Duh), BlackBeard, Akainu, Dragon, Imu, The Celestial Dragons (God Knights, Gorosie, And Possibly Shanks), Aokiji, Buggy, and Cipactli.

I feel like the Conclusion of the final conflict will happen before finding the One Piece. I feel like with Marineford the Conflict will be partially broadcast for the world to see. Probably by Buggy flying around the Battlefield as a wildcard. This part of the conflict will occur on Raftel.

Luffy, Blackbeard, Buggy race to the final island fighting members of the various different kingdoms navies, The Marines, Gods knights, Shank’s crew and allies, Blackbeard’s crew and allies, (Probably not Blackbeard), The Crossguild, the Strawhats and Grand Fleet, (Obviously not Luffy) and just any force that is capable of being Cannon fodder and not just civilian casualty.

Akainu stands in their way as the First Major Obstacle. Blackbeard makes it to Akainu first but after being hit by a strong attack he backs down. Luffy shortly shows up and delivers a strong attack to Akainu. Luffy tries to pass by but is stopped. Akainu delivers a killing blow to Luffy giving him something similar to the Ace Treatment. Blackbeard seeing Luffy’s strength get his shit together awakening his devil fruit he goes on a rampage pushing Akainue back. The Drum Of Liberation Sound Again as Luffy Taken over fully by the Nika Fruit and losing control to Nika enters his true awakening and Pushes forward. Buggy slipping ahead of Nika not capturing anything on Luffy’s or Blackbeard's Awakenings. 

Imu reveals himself alongside Several Celestial Dragons including the Gorosei, Shanks, and several gods knights and stands in Nika and Buggy’s way. A storm blows in destroying the broadcast (still not getting anything of Luffy). Dragon alongside several revolutionaries including Sabo enter the fray fighting the Gods knight and Gorosie as the celestial dragons cower in the back. Blackbeard steps forward tossing Akainu to the side (like a chew toy) still in a rampage rages against the Gorosie and God’s knight unknowingly causing damage to the revolutionaries. Buggy starts to fight Shanks. 

Luffy in his true Awakening taken over by Nika faces off Against Imu. Hints of the truth of Nika’s and Joy Boy’s age come out for us readers. Nika is pushed to the Brink of Losing to Imu. Suddenly Luffy (still in the true awakening) takes back over. Luffy exerts so much Haki that it holds back Imu’s attack. Luffy then takes over the Fight against Imu defeating him. Luffy's Will overpowering Nika and Luffy overpowering Imu convinces Imu That Luffy might be strong enough to due what Imu and Nika Couldn't in the past.

Blackbeard killed the Gorosie. Dragon killed several of the gods' knights before being targeted by Blackbeard, still in a blind rage. Aokiji joins the fight and attacks Luffy. Their battle causes Aokiji to Awaken his fruit but in the End Aokiji is still defeated and stands down. The remaining Gods Knight (possibly some Gorosie) step down and stop fighting seeing Imu defeated. Dragon delivers the final Blow to Blackbeard Killing him and allowing him to sleep and Dream forever. Blackbeard Finally Smiles at his Death. 

The Broadcast kicks back in as Buggy defeats Shanks (Who is happy for him) and stands before the remaining Celestial Dragons who are begging and pleading not to be killed. Buggy stands proudly finally defeating his greatest rival. The world assumes Buggy defeated Shanks, Imu and the Celestial dragons. Luffy rushes forward for the One Piece. Buggy realizes that he can’t lose to Strawhat and follows. The Stawhat's and a few of Buggy’s main crew start to meet up with them. The Broadcast cuts back out as Luffy, Buggy, and their crews reach the room containing the One Piece. Buggy winning it by a nose. Buggy cheers happily becoming The Pirate King and Luffy sulks.

The One Piece is massive mountains of gold and treasure. Several Books and scrolls containing histories, recipes, and medicines of various kingdoms, lost through the time. Several weapons and technologies from the ancient kingdom. And a vision Dial containing the history of the Age of Nika and Joy Boy. (Everything from parts 1, 2, 3 and 4). Everyone was shocked figuring out the truth of the world while Luffy was screwing around and looking at the treasure. Luffy discovery something that he thought was so cool. 

Buggy and the rest (Not Luffy) learn they must kill the Red Line to end the Suffering of the world. They also find a message from Gol D. Roger that catches Luffy’s attention. “only the one who defeats the Red Line can have my treasure and become the True Pirate King.”

During the massive war Shirahoshi “the weapon Posiedon” used her power inadvertently causing the Red Line to stir. The world shakes violently and the water levels start to rise. Following the reveal of the One Piece the crews make their way out the room containing the One Piece and have Buggy send a message to the people to get to the ships. At the same time a message is sent out to Shirahoshi to send the sea kings, merfolk, and fishmen to save the different races and bring them to the Ark Noah. The various different Races make it to safety as the world is flooded.

Then Luffy and all the world fight together as one against the Red Line to kill it and Bring The dawn of an age where sacrifices and slavery are not needed. 

Outtakes (Not important to the Myth)

As I have been doing since the beginning the links to all previous parts will be underneath. 

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Part 4

!Ok if you’re still reading this This is a bonus for you. I just want to state that everything after this, is meant to be a joke. Roughly 60% of a joke. But I can’t just Give you the set up to the final fight without giving you the final fight.!<

!Luffy using a super advanced Haki (Conquerors or Observation) links a thought he has in his head to the world. A Plan to defeat the Red Line based off something Cool he found in the final Room.  !<

!Zunesha Docks in as one Leg being the only being other than the red line to stand in the water. The giants work together to form a massive thick pillar while riding on several giant boats, including Pluton, to dock in as the other leg. Zunesha and the giants using all their strength lift up the massive Ark Noah holding the majority of the different races and allies, Docking it as the Chest. Shirahoshi Orders all the sea Kings to climb up the ark and intertwine together to Dock in as the right Arm. “Soul King” Brook Jams out a melody controlling all of the souls that stayed for the final battles including every character that died throughout the ages Nika, Joy Boy, Roger, Whitebeard, Ace, and all the Moms of One Piece (They’re Brooks biggest fans) Just every dead soul combine to become one and Docks in as the Left Arm. !<

!The arms reach down, Pick up The Island Whale Laboon, The Kraken Surume, And the Mermaid Princess Shirahoshi and place them up on the Ark Noa. The Crew use a Coup De Burst To fly the Thousand Sunny up to rest upon Laboon and Surume Docking in as the Head. Shirahoshi hides behind the 2 Creatures. Zoro jumps into the right arm and grabs a massive Pink Azure Dragon by the tail and starts swinging it around like a sword. Several of the strongest Characters still alive jump onto the back of Momo to ride him and give aid to Zoro's Swings. The Arm made of Souls reaches up to the Sky and Grabs the Moon to use as a shield/Blunt Weapon.  Franky in his best Robot Voice states “Docking is Complete. Super Massive Docking Robot 6 Billion Ready To Fight.” !<

!Everyone that knows and has met Luffy starts to laugh. The rest of the world looks perplexed and Confused. !<

!The Red Line fully Awaken and Bears down on the Super Massive Docking Robot 6 Billion only for Zoro to Swing Momo, The strongest Characters put their best attacks out as they hit the Red Line as hard as they can dealing Massive Damage to The Great Monster. !<

!The Red Line Attacks Back As the Races aboard the Ark Noah Coward in despair. However, Despite being Squished together, the Ark Noah bounces back into place with all the riders unharmed.The Super Massive Docking Robot 6 Billion is now made of rubber due to Luffy's full power. And after several attacks from the monster doing the same thing (bothing). Everyone Alive and dead starts to laugh as they unintentionally understand the joke Roger Found so funny long ago on Raftel. (The Cool Thing Luffy saw was a golden statue of the Super Massive Docking Robot 6 Billion. It was made as a prediction from the ancient kingdom to be the thing to destroy the Red Line. The Joke Roger and crew found so funny and waited for.) !<

!Zoro continues to swing MoMo around with the Strongest Characters still using their best attacks. Luffy has Shirahoshi pull the ship back as he uses Laboon and Surume as Pillars. He Launches the Thousand Sunny using Gear 6 Gum Gum Rocket. Franky hit's a last Coup De Burst increasing it's speed through the air. Luffy Hakis up the ship with all his power. Zoro seeing this Swings Momo with all of his remaing Power. The Strongest Characters riding Momo launch everything they Have left. The Attacks combine with the Sunny to Slam into a Giant wound on the Red Line. The Sunny bursts through the Red Line Killing it once and for all.!<

!Oda Sensie. If you some how manage to be reading this theory could you say in some random SBS my name in English "Similar Knowledge" if the theory is True. If only some of of the theory is true could you say "Crappy Knowledge". And if the theory is completely wrong could you say "Stupid Knowledge". Please and thanks in Advanced.!<

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2024/06/05
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One Piece: Aztec's 5 Suns connections and theory Part 4. Spoilers

Introductions

This Is a series of Connections I am trying to make for One Piece to the Aztec 5 suns Myth. Now this series of connection has been split into 5 parts each covering 1 of the 5 suns. In this series of connections I am trying to compare the major godly figures mentioned in the myth to Important figures of One Piece History as well as small details from the myth representing factors in One Piece.

I have already covered connections to Nika's Age in Parts 1 and 2. Connections between Tezcatlipoca to Imu in Part 1 and Quetzalcoatl to Nika in Part 2. I have Covered Connections between Tlaloc and Joy Boy in Part 3.

Total Theory about the Void Century (Age of Joy Boy) Below

I Hope You enjoy

Fourth Sun (Myth)

The Fourth Sun duty is taken up by the Goddess Chalchiuhtlicue (Poseidon, First Mermaid Princess). She becomes the new bride of Tlaloc (Joy Boy) after the previous Worlds destruction. The world lasts for 676 years as Chalchiuhtlicue (Poseidon) gave love, Kindness, and generosity to humans. In turn the Humans showed love back. Tezcatlipoca (Imu) was jealous of this and tried to convince Chalchiuhtlicue (Poseidon) that her love and kindness was fake in order to receive love from the people. This Caused Chalchiuhtlicue (Poseidon) to cry tears of water for 52 year until the earth was flooded. Chalchiuhtlicue (Poseidon) made a bridge linking heaven to earth allowing some Chosen humans to ascend to heaven. The remaining humans she turned into Fish. 

Other iterations of the myth involve Chalchiuhtlicue (Poseidon) retaliating against Tlaloc's (Joy Boy) abuse causing her to cry for 52 years straight causing the world to flood.

In some Myths Tezcatlipoca (Imu) and Quetzalcoatl (Nika) were jealous of Chalchiuhtlicue (Poseidon), and struck her down. As Chalchiuhtlicue (Poseidon) fell from her throne, the sky opened, and the earth was flooded.

Before the Fifth sun (Myth)

Before the fifth world was recreated Quetzalcoatl (Nika) not accepting the destruction of his people went to the underworld alongside Xolotl (Zunisha) where he stole the humans bones from the god Mictlantecuhtli (Pluton). He dipped these bones in his own blood to resurrect the people, who reopened their eyes to a sky illuminated by the fifth sun.

Connections for Fourth Sun

  • Chalchiuhtlicue (Poseidon) was the wife (sister in other myths) of the Aztec god of rain Tlaloc (Joy Boy). Joy Boy has a connection to the Mermaid Princess (The ancient Weapon Poseidon) through the apology Poneglyph left behind in Fishman Island.
    • Chalchiuhtlicue (Poseidon) is the God of water, rivers, seas, streams, and storms. She is a goddess often associated with serpents. Poseidon is the first Mermaid princess living in the Seas and having the power to control the Sea Kings. 
  • Thaloc (Joy Boy) connections have been mentioned in part 3 
  • The Humans in this world could represent 2 groups. 
    • The first would be the Merflok/Fishman, in the Myth as the humans who became the Fish. (I don’t believe I need to explain the connections their.)
    • The Second Group of Humans Would be represented by the rulers of the 20 kingdoms that moved to the top of the red line represented in the myth by those allowed to take the bridge to ascend to heaven. Heaven being in this context Mary Geoise.
  • !The major Flooding that destroyed a massive chunk of the world in One piece during the void century !<would be the major representation of the flood that destroyed the world of the 4th sun in the myth. This Incident could have been caused by the weapon Uranus. We know what Uranus can do since it is the likely culprit for destruction of Lulusia.>! In recent chapters we know the weapon would have had to be used 200 times.!< So I think a better weapon is more likely the weapon Poseidon making the connection with Chalchiuhtlicue (Poseidon) being the cause of the world of the 4th sun's destruction.

  • The joke being made with the 5 mermaid siblings Ichika, Nika (Totally something Oda forgot he did), Sanka, Yonka, and Yonka 2 Is an implication that the world of One Piece is still stuck in the era equivalent of the 4th Sun from the myth. Fitting that the joke was made using mermaids as it was probably alluding to the fourth Sun representing the Mermaid Princess. 

Connection for before the fifth sun

  • Mictlantecuhtli (Pluton) being the god of the dead represented in One Piece through the Weapon Pluton the only weapon that we don’t know what it does. Pluton of course is the God of the underworld in Roman myth. 
  • Xolotl (Zunesha) was a god of Fire and Lightning. Lord of monsters, misfortune, death, sickness, and deformities. Typically seen as the Canine like Brother of Quetzalcoatl (Nika). He had 3 types of depictions: a Dog headed Man, a skeleton, or a deformed monster depicted with sunken in Eye sockets. Xolotl’s (Zunesha) job was to guide the dead to the underworld. 
    • Now I actually see 3 possibilities for the connection here however only 2 would make since being part of the void century. The first, but not most likely in my mind for Xolotl is Zunesha since Xolotl (Zunesha) is a deformed monster depicted with sunken in eyes. The connection to the underworld for Zunesha is seen when he approaches Wano where the weapon Pluton is known to sleep. Being Deformed monster could just be referencing Zunesha's race not being human. Zunesha is almost always shown with heavily sunken in eyes. 
    • The second Possibility a major stretch is actually a character we may not have any knowledge of. But I believe this character may be the Awakened version of one of Blackbeard’s Devil Fruits. A wide spread Cerberus Devil Fruit theory fits the connection nicely. It connects the Dog headed appearance (possibly the Deformed monster and sunken in eyes appearance as well), Lord of monsters and death (maybe even fire depending on Cerberus abilities), and the underworld connections. there is one more connection that I’ll mention when I get to the 5th part since Xolotl (Zunesha) makes an appearance in the story of the 5th sun and the connection fits for The current age of One Piece.
      • We’ve also already seen Luffy and Blackbeard, Nika’s (Quetzalcoatl) and possibly Cerberus (Xolotl) inheritors already go through One Piece’s depiction of Hell in Impel Down.
    • The Third possibility being a god of fire and depicted as Dog Headed is Akainu. Akainu also has one more connection that I’ll mention when I get to the 5th part since Xolotl (Zunesha) makes an appearance in the story of the 5th sun and the connection fits better for the current age of One Piece.

Possible meaning for the story/Rundown of the void century (Theory/TLDR) 

So this will be a continuation from part 3 Filling in the gaps left behind. 

  • First I believe the reason the Conflict of the void century exists is because of the constant sacrifices that were required to satiate the sleeping monster known as the Red Line represented in the myth by Cipactli, a massive crocodilian like sea monster.
  • I feel like one of the groups majorly sacrificed during this time would have been the merfolk and/or fishmen. Due to this I believe Joy Boy and “The first Mermaid Princess” Poseidon hatched a plan to use the power of the ancient weapons to destroy the Red Line. I should note that the ancient weapons would have been brought down from the moon rather than made by the ancient kingdom. We learn in Enel’s backstory the moon had knowledge of the ancient weapons.
  • Imu, Lili, and the other rulers of the 20 kingdoms got involved believing that fighting the monster was impossible. The Ancient Kingdom and Lunarians fought alongside Joy Boy in turn. The Lunarians would believe this to be a way to end the sacrifices and losing will to follow the God they worshiped (Imu). The Ancient Kingdom is probably where the vast majority of D Clan members came from and were planning to fight the Red Line since the Time of Nika.
  • Something involving Lili allying with the 20 kingdoms led Joy Boy to request the use of Uranus which was guarded by the Lunarians (As we learned the World Government most likely possess the weapon probably after laying claim to the Red Line and Defeating the Lunarians)
  • The diversion by Lili led to a critical blow to Joy Boy seemingly causing his defeat and the breaking of his Promise to the mermaid princess. He writes down all the Important aspects of the history of the void century through the Poneglyphs and sets the knowledge of the Red Line on Raftel to inform the future generations. Allowing Lili to spread them out into the world.
  • Imu then manipulated Poseidon, possibly promising to stop the sacrifices of the merfolk/fishmen. Poseidon would be forced to use her powers to control the sea kings (Some Large enough to actually reach the top). The Sea Kings would then be used to raise the 20 Rulers up to the Red Line.
  • The Rulers would then fight and defeat the Lunarians claiming Uranus in the Process. While Manipulating the Sea Kings Poseidon unintentionally ended up Stirring the Red Line (of course being based off an sea monster similar to the sea kings) causing the monster to shift and creating the massive rise in Water Level.  
  • As Thanks for aiding the 20 Rulers Imu promised the Merfolk and Fishman a spot at the meeting of Rulers the Levely. A Right that would be taken when Fisher Tiger Free the slaves of Mary Geoise. 
  • Finally I see Joy Boy being taken over by the Nika fruit and accompanied by Zunesha (or Cerberus) using the last of the 3 weapons, Pluton in a last act to save the people from the ancient kingdom and allow them to fight in the future. I believe this is through Pluton gathering the souls of the dead and converting them into Devil Fruits. This would allow those in the Ancient Kingdom the ability to fight against the Red Line. 

Outtakes (Not important to the Myth or One Piece)

As I have been doing since the beginning the links to all previous parts and all following parts will be underneath once they have been finished.

1 Part left covering the age of Luffy and covering aspects of the final conflict.

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Part 5

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2024/06/04
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One Piece Aztecs 5 Sun Connections and Theory. Part 3 revised.

Introductions

This Is a series of Connections I am trying to make for One Piece to the Aztec 5 sun Myth. Now this series of connection has been split into 5 parts each covering 1 of the 5 suns. In this series of connections I am trying to compare the major godly figures of the myth to Important figures of One Piece History as well as small details from the myth to possible factors in One Piece.

I have already covered connections between Tezcatlipoca and Imu in Part 1. Quetzalcoatl and Nika in part 2.

I Hope You enjoy

Third Sun (Myth)

After the world was created again a God named Tlaloc (Joy Boy) took over as the third sun and a new group of humans were brought to life. After 364 years of peace Tezcatlipoca (Imu) took Tlaloc's (Joy Boy) wife Xochiquetzal (Nefratari D. Lili) for himself causing Tlaloc (Joy Boy) to enter a great depression. A great Drought struck at this time and the humans begged for rain. Tlaloc (Joy Boy) angry made it rain fire, killing humanity. After destroying the world Tlaloc (Joy Boy) stepped down as the sun. The surviving humans are turned into Turkeys, Dogs and Butterflies.

In some myths Xochiquetzal (Lili) is kidnapped and forced into marriage. In other Myths it is seen as a betrayal of Tlaloc (Joy Boy) with Xochiquetzal (Lili) seducing Tezcatlipoca (Imu). No myth (I found) seems to have her die.

In some myths Tlaloc (Joy Boy) returned to fight Tezcatlipoca (Imu) to get his wife back. He was successful, but he forbade her from ever returning to mankind again.

In some Myths it is Quetzalcoatl (Nika) that summons the rain of fire to destroy humanity

Connection for third Sun

  • Xochiquetza (Lili) is a name in Aztec History meaning Flower Feather tail. Another Aztec name she went by was Ichpōchtli meaning Young maiden. Relating the flower part to Lili is easy, Lili’s name is a flower. The Feather tail could be shown through the weapon her descendant Vivi uses the Peacock slashers feather shaped cord whips.
    • Xochiquetza (Lili) was a goddess associated with fertility, Love and Beauty serving as a protector of young mothers and a patroness of pregnancy, childbirth, and the crafts. Xochiquetza (Lili) was also a representative of human desire, pleasure, and excess. Unlike many other Aztec Goddess Xochiquetza (Lili) was almost always seen as fully benevolent. Other Than Lili clearly being depicted looking exactly like Vivi young and beautiful none of the other goddess traits have been shown in Lili (yet)
    • Xochiquetza (Lili) is also known to have several husbands and in many myths seducing several different gods including Quetzalcoatl (Nika), Tlaloc (Joy Boy), and Tezcatlipoca (Imu). Which could be seen possibly through the relationships with Joy Boy and Imu
  • Tlaloc (Joy Boy) was a storm God of lightning, rain and earthquakes. This could be represented by Tlaloc (Joy Boy) (Quetzalcoatl (Nika) in other versions) who is known to have destroyed the world of the 3rd sun with a rain of fire be the representation of the weapon Imu used to destroy Lulusia >!(Likely Uranus). A weapon that we know was meant to be in the hands of Joy Boy that he planned to pass down for furture generations to use!<.
    • Representations of Tláloc are distinguished by the presence of 2-4 prominent fangs, ringed eyes, and a bifurcated tongue. This may hint at the possible race of Joy Boy. One of the first fanged races that stands out to me is the Demon Giants like Oars. Katakuri’s race could be another possibility (If we knew it)
    • There is this video titled Teponaztli sagrado en la fiesta de tlaloc that has similar tempo and similar tempo shifts (I am not a music Major and probably don’t have a great ear for that) as the Anime version of the Drums of Liberation. The Title in English is also Titled The Sacred Teponaztli (Aztec Drum) at the Tlaloc Festival
  • Tezcatlipoca (Imu) taking Xochiquetzal (Lili) could be seen as a representation of the cause that kicked off the war or a turning point for the war between the 20 Kingdoms and the Ancient Kingdom. With The mysterious Disappearance that occurred to Lili causing the use of the ancient weapons.
  • For this group of humans I see them as an inspiration of Imu’s allies, specifically representatives of 4 Groups.
    • The humans that are Killed by Tlaloc (Joy Boy) are representatives of the 20 kingdoms. Why? Because Tlaloc (Joy Boy) is specifically the one who meant to destroy this iteration of the world Implying The Humans being enemies of Joy Boy.
    • The Shandians are represented by the humans that turned into Dogs. Loyaly continuing with the sacrifices to appease the gods. As well as the only group of sky people to be taken down to the blue sea, in away grounding them. The 2 Shandian chiefs’ are also shown wearing caps that resemble dog heads.
    • The Skypiean’s are represented by the humans that turned into butterflies. Most of the Skypieans we meet introduce themselves but holding their hands up with 2 fingers sticking up as a representation of the butterflies antenna. Most of the Skypiean we meet have a hair style with 2 ends sticking up like antennae. Mixed with the wings they symbolize the butterfly. Many Skypieans were known as the divine Squad (Before Enels rule) and Protected their leader (at the time Gan Fall) who was given the title of God.
    • The Lunarians, another winged race showing similarities to the Shandians with similar kind of face paint and wings would be represented by the Humans that became turkeys. This connection to the other Sky races and their name implying their connection to the moon is why I see the Lunarians being the last race represented in the myth. (Also I swear I remember someone insulting King by calling him an overgrown Turkey. I Thought Queen but am not ready to go back through Wano to try and find it)
    • I wish to explain something I forgot to mention in part 1 but still fits here. When Tezcatlipoca (Imu) is knocked out of the sky by Quetzalcoatl (Nika), in One Piece this could imply Imu was stationed on the moon (Tezcatlipoca (Imu) is god of darkness and when he was the first sun was a half sun with Diminished light, like a moon. Several Celestial Dragon have connections to the moon through their spacesuits and Garlands Hair). Imu then would descend with several allies that would later become the Shandians, Skypiean’s, and Lunarians. The Shandians and Skypieans are already confirmed to come from the moon in Enel's cover story with the last of the 3 races presented in the cover story later becoming the Lunarians.

Possible meaning for the story (Theory/TLDR)

  • I believe the This Myth means a lot for the conflict during the void century.
  • I believe the conflict during the void century was started similarly to the way the conflict that may have started in Joy Boys' age. Hinted by Why sacrifices were necessary for the Aztecs. To satiate the giant crocodilian like monster Cipactli (Red Line).
  • Joy Boy after Questioning the countless nations giving sacrifices found out the truth. Joy boy rose up planning to use the ancient weapons to destroy the sleeping monster that is the Grandline. Imu, knowing the importance of sacrifices and knowing that the world may not be strong enough to fight the beast, tried to stop Joy Boy by uniting the 20 kingdoms.
  • We’ve already learned that Nefratari D. Lili has a heavy connection to Imu and may have been responsible for scattering the Poneglyph’s which seem to have been created by Joy Boy showing a connection between Lili and Joy Boy. I believe a major turning point that influenced the war in the void century was caused by Imu kidnapping Lily. In a rage Joy Boy used the ancient weapon Uranus to fight back against the 20 kingdoms Raining fire and killing many of Imu’s allies
  • Now the weapon being used to destroy Lulusia only caused a 1 meter rise in the ocean levels. >!We know that the ocean level rose more than 200 meters which could mean Uranus was fired 200 times, however I feel this is a red herring. We only know of 2 Massive sinkholes in the sea Enies Lobby and Lulusia (Which is new). More may exist, however I don’t believe 200. Possibly another weapon I’ll mention in part 4 is responsible for the massive rise in water level. !<
  • Due to Lili being one of the 20 kingdoms Imu could have manipulated her into fighting Joy Boy. After a seeming victory Lili gained some control back and was responsible for scattering the Poneglyphs to let the future generations know what Joy Boy learned.
  • While trying to return home Lili went missing. Since she never made it back I assume this mean she was killed for her actions

Out Takes (Not important to the Myth or One Piece)

As I have been doing since the beginning the links to all previous parts and all following parts will be underneath once they have been finished.

Part 1

Part 2

Part 4

Part 5

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2024/06/03
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